Making a FreeBSD iso

2005-05-16 Thread Jack Raats
I want to make a FreeBSD ISO so I can install it on other machines.
I have a working FreeBSD machine with the latest kernel and binaries.
Is there a port or other utilities?
Where can I find info about this (URL's please)

Met vriendelijke groeten
Jack Raats
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Re: Making a FreeBSD iso

2005-05-16 Thread Tommi Lätti
On 16 May 2005, at 15:24, Jack Raats wrote:
I want to make a FreeBSD ISO so I can install it on other machines.
I have a working FreeBSD machine with the latest kernel and binaries.
Is there a port or other utilities?
Where can I find info about this (URL's please)
How about using Google at least once before posting questions?
letsee... www.google.com... making a freebsd iso and then click  
I'm feeling lucky

*chichinng* It seems I was lucky :)
first hit:
http://romana.now.ie/writing/customfreebsdiso.html
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Re: DEVFS Overflow table

2005-05-16 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sun, May 15, 2005 at 12:31:34PM +0200, Thomas Beer wrote:
  Can you show exactly how to repeat this error condition, so that
  others can try and replicate it?
 
 After reboot:

Yes, but how is your system configured? A boot log doesn't show us
this.

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Re: Making a FreeBSD iso

2005-05-16 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
Yes, it seem to be easy if You download the whole CVS repo. In my case I 
don't want to do this since I only want to build a RELENG_5_4 system for 
productional use with optimized CFLAGS, and with some other customizing 
in make.conf. (e. g. I don't want to build named, I prefer installing it 
via ports collection, I don't want to build PPP-related stuffs since 
they are useless for me, etc.)
If You read through the Makefile in /usr/src/release (/usr/src is the 
directory where the RELENG_5_4 source is located), You can find that 
there is an EXTSRC knob for this purpose, but unfortunately it didn't 
work, the make complained about the missing CVS repo.
If somebody knows a solution for this trouble, please let me know. I'll 
provide the actual error message and the whole Makefile if neccessary.

Cheers,
Gábor Kövesdán
Tommi Lätti wrote:
On 16 May 2005, at 15:24, Jack Raats wrote:
I want to make a FreeBSD ISO so I can install it on other machines.
I have a working FreeBSD machine with the latest kernel and binaries.
Is there a port or other utilities?
Where can I find info about this (URL's please)

How about using Google at least once before posting questions?
letsee... www.google.com... making a freebsd iso and then click  
I'm feeling lucky

*chichinng* It seems I was lucky :)
first hit:
http://romana.now.ie/writing/customfreebsdiso.html
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5.4-STABLE, cvs up 05/16/05 wont compile

2005-05-16 Thread Aaron Summers
Greetings,

5.4-STABLE cvsup'd about 2 hours ago will not compile...

cc -O -pipe  -DPACKAGE_NAME=\libarchive\
-DPACKAGE_VERSION=\1.02.019\ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libarchive
-Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W
-Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes
-Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch
-Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunused-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline
-Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -c
/usr/src/lib/libarchive/archive_read_support_format_cpio.c
/usr/src/lib/libarchive/archive_read_support_format_cpio.c: In
function `archive_read_support_format_cpio':
/usr/src/lib/libarchive/archive_read_support_format_cpio.c:146: error:
too many arguments to function `__archive_read_register_format'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib/libarchive.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/lib.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
backup1:/usr/src#


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installing on headless boxes

2005-05-16 Thread Dick Davies

Is it possible to install using only a serial console?

I didn't think so, so thought I might roll my own 5.4 cd
to enable that. Is there anything else that needs doing about from

echo '-h'  /wherever/release/got/built/boot.config

(or possibly '-P' to do serial if there's no keyboard attached)

Thanks!

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Re: installing on headless boxes

2005-05-16 Thread Rob
Dick Davies wrote:
 Is it possible to install using only a serial
 console?
 I didn't think so, so thought I might roll my own
 5.4 cd to enable that. Is there anything else that
 needs doing about from

See:
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/5.4-RELEASE/floppies/README.TXT

And scroll to the section:
1.5.6 Tips for Serial Console Users

I think this explains what you're asking for.

Rob.




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Re: installing on headless boxes

2005-05-16 Thread Dick Davies
* Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] [0543 11:43]:
 Dick Davies wrote:
  Is it possible to install using only a serial
  console?
  I didn't think so, so thought I might roll my own
  5.4 cd to enable that. Is there anything else that
  needs doing about from
 
 See:
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/5.4-RELEASE/floppies/README.TXT
 
 And scroll to the section:
 1.5.6 Tips for Serial Console Users
 
 I think this explains what you're asking for.

well that's saved me a days worth of building - thanks!

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5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-16 Thread Elliot Finley
This has been happening since 5.3-R, I've been tuning different parameters
to no avail.  I've taken the disks off of the onboard ICH5 controller and
put them a promise TX4 S150 controller, but still the same thing happens.

The system freezes, but isn't totally dead.  It'll still respond to pings,
the screensaver still functions, but it won't respond to a CAD at the
console.  But if I press 'Enter' at the console, it'll give me a 'login:'
prompt, but after entering the username, it never comes back with the
'password:' prompt.

After manually resetting the system it boots and says 'Automatic file system
check failed; help!' and drops into single user mode.  Running fsck manually
corrects errors on all volumes.  Then it'll boot from that point.

This seems to be triggered by daily periodic as it happens at 3:02-3:03AM
each time.  But it doesn't happen *every* morning.

I suspect a bug in FreeBSD because this mode of failure happens on 3
different machines, all configured similarly.

ASUS P4P800
2G RAM (though the other affected systems only have 1G)
80G Seagate Barracuda SATA drives (one system now on Promise TX4 S150
controller, others on onboard ICH5)

On my lightly loaded systems, it happens rarely.  On my mailserver (fairly
heavy disk load), it happens quite frequently.

How can I troubleshoot this?

dmesg follows:

Copyright (c) 1992-2005 The FreeBSD Project.
Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994
The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
FreeBSD 5.4-RC2 #2: Wed Apr 13 17:35:20 MDT 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/Postmaster
Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.60GHz (2605.92-MHz 686-class CPU)
  Origin = GenuineIntel  Id = 0xf29  Stepping = 9

Features=0xbfebfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA
,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE
  Hyperthreading: 2 logical CPUs
real memory  = 2146631680 (2047 MB)
avail memory = 2095153152 (1998 MB)
ACPI APIC Table: A M I  OEMAPIC 
ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard
npx0: math processor on motherboard
npx0: INT 16 interface
acpi0: A M I OEMXSDT on motherboard
acpi0: Power Button (fixed)
Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000
acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x808-0x80b on acpi0
cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0
pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0
pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0
agp0: Intel 82865 host to AGP bridge mem 0xf800-0xfbff at device
0.0 on pci0
pcib1: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0
pci1: ACPI PCI bus on pcib1
pci1: display, VGA at device 0.0 (no driver attached)
uhci0: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-A port 0xef00-0xef1f irq 16
at device 29.0 on pci0
usb0: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-A on uhci0
usb0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci1: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-B port 0xef20-0xef3f irq 19
at device 29.1 on pci0
usb1: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-B on uhci1
usb1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci2: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-C port 0xef40-0xef5f irq 18
at device 29.2 on pci0
usb2: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-C on uhci2
usb2: USB revision 1.0
uhub2: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhci3: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-D port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 16
at device 29.3 on pci0
usb3: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) USB controller USB-D on uhci3
usb3: USB revision 1.0
uhub3: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub3: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
pci0: serial bus, USB at device 29.7 (no driver attached)
pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0
pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2
skc0: 3Com 3C940 Gigabit Ethernet port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem
0xfeafc000-0xfeaf irq 22 at device 5.0 on pci2
skc0: 3Com Gigabit LOM (3C940) rev. (0x1)
sk0: Marvell Semiconductor, Inc. Yukon on skc0
sk0: Ethernet address: 00:0c:6e:54:4b:19
miibus0: MII bus on sk0
e1000phy0: Marvell 88E1000 Gigabit PHY on miibus0
e1000phy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX-FDX,
auto
atapci0: Promise PDC20319 SATA150 controller port
0xdc00-0xdc7f,0xdfa0-0xdfaf,0xdf00-0xdf3f mem
0xfeac-0xfead,0xfeafb000-0xfeafbfff irq 21 at device 9.0 on pci2
atapci0: failed: rid 0x20 is memory, requested 4
ata2: channel #0 on atapci0
ata3: channel #1 on atapci0
ata4: channel #2 on atapci0
ata5: channel #3 on atapci0
xl0: 3Com 3c905C-TX Fast Etherlink XL port 0xd480-0xd4ff mem
0xfeaf9c00-0xfeaf9c7f irq 20 at device 12.0 on pci2
miibus1: MII bus on xl0
ukphy0: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface on miibus1
ukphy0:  10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto
xl0: Ethernet address: 00:04:75:f1:1c:7e
isab0: 

Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-16 Thread Søren Schmidt
Elliot Finley wrote:
This has been happening since 5.3-R, I've been tuning different parameters
to no avail.  I've taken the disks off of the onboard ICH5 controller and
put them a promise TX4 S150 controller, but still the same thing happens.
The system freezes, but isn't totally dead.  It'll still respond to pings,
the screensaver still functions, but it won't respond to a CAD at the
console.  But if I press 'Enter' at the console, it'll give me a 'login:'
prompt, but after entering the username, it never comes back with the
'password:' prompt.
After manually resetting the system it boots and says 'Automatic file system
check failed; help!' and drops into single user mode.  Running fsck manually
corrects errors on all volumes.  Then it'll boot from that point.
This seems to be triggered by daily periodic as it happens at 3:02-3:03AM
each time.  But it doesn't happen *every* morning.
Hmm, sounds as a deadlock somewhere.
On the ATA part, try the ATA mkIII patches on 
http://people.freebsd.org/~sos/ATA and see if that changes anything.

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Re: Creating a mini install disk, for particular needs

2005-05-16 Thread Chris Phillips
Hi again,
Just a quick note to thank you for your pointer.
I have just installed PC-BSD onto an old box that was lying around the 
office. It was a good experience, thanks :)

With just a few very small tweaks, I now have a PC-BSD device, 
integrated into our corporate LAN (via NIS), users home folders mapped 
over (via NFS)  we finally have a mature  capable alternative, to the 
flaky  over-priced, hardware thin-clients, currently in use.

Rock On!
Chris P
Chris Phillips wrote:
Many thanks to all who have responded!
I have plenty to investigate now.
Kind Regards,
Chris Phillips
Nora Etukudo wrote:
Am 11. Mai 2005 um 00:56:07 +0100 schrieb Chris Phillips:

We need a fairly painless way, to roll out a fresh install onto some 
random i386 hardware we have lying around (there's a plentiful 
supply), for any new users, who require a basic functioning GUI, with 
access to graphical email client, web browser  'rdesktop' (for the 
windows applications, that they are all hooked on).

Look at
   http://www.pcbsd.org/
also. I did just for fun the installation of
   http://ftp.plusline.de/pcbsd/PCBSD-0.6-x86.iso
and I'm very impressed.
A small, but working KDE Desktop out of the box (FreeBSD 5.3, KDE 3.4)
without any huzzle. Start the (graphical!!) installer and get yourself
a mug of coffee (or what else you prefere).
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Re: 5.4 weird transmit problem

2005-05-16 Thread jmc
On 5/13/05, Doug White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 12 May 2005, jmc wrote:
 
  I've got 5.4 amd64 installed on an Opteron server and I cannot get it to
  reliably transmit packets larger than 80 bytes using the bge driver (on a
  BCM5703 NIC). It receives large packets without any problem, but it just
  won't transmit them. (I can tcpdump all day long without a problem - big and
  small packets.)
 
  For example, I can ping -s 38 ip and it works fine. But if I try ping
  -s 39 ip (or any size larger than 38) it does not work. A 38 byte ping
  creates an 80 byte Ethernet packet.
 
 Random guesses:
 
 1. Make sure your switch agrees with the speed and duplex setting.
 Auto-neg problems are common.
 
 2. Replace the cable.
 
 3. Back-to-back two systems and try to reproduce.
 

Hey Doug,

Thanks for the tips.  Eventually I discovered that it was a Cisco
switch problem -- I was trying to use it out of the box without
configuring anything.  As soon as I set the time  timezone, and
password, everything else started working perfectly.  I can't explain
why it would have been in such a weird state -- only allowing small
frames through.  I tried to reproduce the problem with another switch,
but it never got in this confused state.

Thanks,
John
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problem with sshd/pam on 5.4-STABLE (also 5.3-STABLE)

2005-05-16 Thread Holger Kipp
Hello,

I experience the following problem:

connecting to a server with 5.3-STABLE using SSH
with:

ssh serverret  results in A
Password:ctrl-cresults in B

this is very annoying because if you did this
ten times (eg because you wanted to type
'ssh user@server' instead), you can't connect
to the server any more, and it looks like this
also won't time out...

Is this related to PR 74255
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/74255
and/or has this been resolved already? This is currently
experienced on 5.3-STABLE from Nov 16 16:06:06 CET 2004,
and also on 5.4-STABLE from Sun May  8 18:23:27 CEST 2005.

Regards,
Holger Kipp

-


A (on 'server'):
ps ax | grep ssh
24767  ??  S  0:00.01 sshd: hk [net] (sshd)
24768  ??  S  0:00.00 sshd: hk [pam] (sshd)

B (on 'server'):
ps ax | grep ssh
24768  ??  S  0:00.00 sshd: hk [pam] (sshd)

sockstat | grep 24768
root sshd   24768 3  stream - ??
root sshd   24768 4  stream (not connected)
root sshd   24768 5  tcp4   server:22  client:62105
root sshd   24768 6  stream - ??


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Re: 5.4-STABLE, cvs up 05/16/05 wont compile

2005-05-16 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 05:44:27AM -0400, Aaron Summers wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 5.4-STABLE cvsup'd about 2 hours ago will not compile...
 
 cc -O -pipe  -DPACKAGE_NAME=\libarchive\
 -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\1.02.019\ -I/usr/obj/usr/src/lib/libarchive
 -Wsystem-headers -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W
 -Wno-unused-parameter -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes
 -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch
 -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wunused-parameter -Wchar-subscripts -Winline
 -Wnested-externs -Wredundant-decls -c
 /usr/src/lib/libarchive/archive_read_support_format_cpio.c
 /usr/src/lib/libarchive/archive_read_support_format_cpio.c: In
 function `archive_read_support_format_cpio':
 /usr/src/lib/libarchive/archive_read_support_format_cpio.c:146: error:
 too many arguments to function `__archive_read_register_format'
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libarchive.
 *** Error code 1

You may have caught the middle of the libarchive merge - I haven't
seen other complaints from users or from the tinderboxes.  Try
updating again.

Kris

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Re: 5.4-RC2 freezing - ATA related?

2005-05-16 Thread Peter Jeremy
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 06:40:01AM -0600, Elliot Finley wrote:
The system freezes, but isn't totally dead.  It'll still respond to pings,
the screensaver still functions, but it won't respond to a CAD at the
console.  But if I press 'Enter' at the console, it'll give me a 'login:'
prompt, but after entering the username, it never comes back with the
'password:' prompt.
...
On my lightly loaded systems, it happens rarely.  On my mailserver (fairly
heavy disk load), it happens quite frequently.

This could equally be a filesystem deadlock (race-to-root) rather than
something in the ATA controller.  Do you know if it happens gradually
(starts with one or two non-responsive, unkillable processes and gets
worse until nothing happens)?

How can I troubleshoot this?

Re-compile the kernel with:
   options KDB
   options DDB
   makeoptions DEBUG=-g
and ensure you have a dumpdev in /etc/rc.conf.  When you get a
lockup, drop to DDB (Ctrl-Alt-ESC) and run show lockedvnods, ps
and call doadump().  If you post the output (a serial console will
help here) someone might be able to provide more pointers.  (The
crashdump will help with later debugging).

Note: If you don't have another FreeBSD system handy, a hard copy
of ddb(4) will be very handy if you want to play around in DDB.

-- 
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Re: problem with sshd/pam on 5.4-STABLE (also 5.3-STABLE)

2005-05-16 Thread Holger Kipp
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 08:14:48PM +0200, Holger Kipp wrote:

Sorry for the noise, problem is gone on
5.4-STABLE after all (where I only see
the configured timeout-delay).

I think it is time to get some sleep

 I experience the following problem:
 
 connecting to a server with 5.3-STABLE using SSH
 with:
 
 ssh serverret  results in A
 Password:ctrl-cresults in B
 
 this is very annoying because if you did this
 ten times (eg because you wanted to type
 'ssh user@server' instead), you can't connect
 to the server any more, and it looks like this
 also won't time out...
 
 Is this related to PR 74255
 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/74255
 and/or has this been resolved already? This is currently
 experienced on 5.3-STABLE from Nov 16 16:06:06 CET 2004,
 and also on 5.4-STABLE from Sun May  8 18:23:27 CEST 2005.
 
 Regards,
 Holger Kipp
 
 -
 
 
 A (on 'server'):
 ps ax | grep ssh
 24767  ??  S  0:00.01 sshd: hk [net] (sshd)
 24768  ??  S  0:00.00 sshd: hk [pam] (sshd)
 
 B (on 'server'):
 ps ax | grep ssh
 24768  ??  S  0:00.00 sshd: hk [pam] (sshd)
 
 sockstat | grep 24768
 root sshd   24768 3  stream - ??
 root sshd   24768 4  stream (not connected)
 root sshd   24768 5  tcp4   server:22  client:62105
 root sshd   24768 6  stream - ??
 
 
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Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Bill Paul

Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
five minutes and READ THIS!!

You see that header on this e-mail? You see the From: line? Go and
read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.

No no, go back and do it again.

Again!

You see what is says? It says Bill Paul. It does *NOT*
say Paul Bill, does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!

No, it damn well doesn't! And yet, for some incomprehensible reason.
the majority of you nitwits seem to think it does!!

Get this through your miserable little heads: my first name is BILL!!!
Understand that? Bill! BEE EYE ELL ELL!!!

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 |  _ | |   | |  | |  | | | |
 | |_) |  _| |_  | |  | |  |_| |_|
 |/  |_| |__| |__| (_) (_)


I can carve it into your skull with a rusty railroad spike if that
would make it easier to remember!

Do **NOT*** send me e-mails opening with
Dear Paul! That is _NOT_ my name! I don't care if you don't speak
english as a first language, are distracted, tired, confused, retarded
or the President of the United States: if you can't manage to scrape
together enough neurons to correctly choose which one of two lousy
syllables to use when addressing me, then I would rather never hear
from you at all!!

I am not kidding around here! I've been beating my brains out for
you rotten bastards for ten lousy years, and after all that time
I expect you to at least do me the courtesty of GETTING MY STUPID
NAME RIGHT!

This crap has been going on for years. It ends now. Anybody who's
dumb enough to send me an e-mail addressed to Paul instead of Bill
will be permanently banned from my inbox. I don't care if you're on
fire and need me to put you out: you will become persona non grata
and you will stay that way. Furthermore, anybody who screws up and
gets my name wrong in person will quickly find themselves beaten, 
ground into a fine powder and sprinkled over Richard Stallman's
oatmeal!!!

And no, I don't want to hear your lousy comments on the matter!
Don't follow up!! Don't reply!! Just nod quietly and DON'T MAKE THIS
MISTAKE AGAIN

-Bill    SEE!!! LOOK!!! IT'S RIGHT THERE! IDIOTS!

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Kövesdán Gábor
Dear Bill and everyone,
just a little comment: as far as I know there are two countries where 
the first name and the family name is used in different order, and these 
two countries are Japan and Hungary. I'm Hungarian thus my name often 
get people confused. Since I write from my private address, You can read 
in the From field my name in the Hungarian order: family name, first 
name, but I sign every mail in the English order. Thus my first name is 
Gábor, and my family name is Kövesdán. If You read international mailing 
lists, You should take note of that.

Cheers,
Gábor Kövesdán
Bill Paul wrote:
Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
five minutes and READ THIS!!
You see that header on this e-mail? You see the From: line? Go and
read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.
No no, go back and do it again.
Again!
You see what is says? It says Bill Paul. It does *NOT*
say Paul Bill, does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!
No, it damn well doesn't! And yet, for some incomprehensible reason.
the majority of you nitwits seem to think it does!!
Get this through your miserable little heads: my first name is BILL!!!
Understand that? Bill! BEE EYE ELL ELL!!!
 _   ___   _ 
|  _ \  |_   _| | |  | |  | | | |
| |_) |   | |   | |  | |  | | | |
|  _ | |   | |  | |  | | | |
| |_) |  _| |_  | |  | |  |_| |_|
|/  |_| |__| |__| (_) (_)

I can carve it into your skull with a rusty railroad spike if that
would make it easier to remember!
Do **NOT*** send me e-mails opening with
Dear Paul! That is _NOT_ my name! I don't care if you don't speak
english as a first language, are distracted, tired, confused, retarded
or the President of the United States: if you can't manage to scrape
together enough neurons to correctly choose which one of two lousy
syllables to use when addressing me, then I would rather never hear
from you at all!!
I am not kidding around here! I've been beating my brains out for
you rotten bastards for ten lousy years, and after all that time
I expect you to at least do me the courtesty of GETTING MY STUPID
NAME RIGHT!
This crap has been going on for years. It ends now. Anybody who's
dumb enough to send me an e-mail addressed to Paul instead of Bill
will be permanently banned from my inbox. I don't care if you're on
fire and need me to put you out: you will become persona non grata
and you will stay that way. Furthermore, anybody who screws up and
gets my name wrong in person will quickly find themselves beaten, 
ground into a fine powder and sprinkled over Richard Stallman's
oatmeal!!!

And no, I don't want to hear your lousy comments on the matter!
Don't follow up!! Don't reply!! Just nod quietly and DON'T MAKE THIS
MISTAKE AGAIN
-Bill    SEE!!! LOOK!!! IT'S RIGHT THERE! IDIOTS!
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Chris
Bill Paul wrote:
Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
five minutes and READ THIS!!
You see that header on this e-mail? You see the From: line? Go and
read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.
No no, go back and do it again.
Again!
You see what is says? It says Bill Paul. It does *NOT*
say Paul Bill, does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!
No, it damn well doesn't! And yet, for some incomprehensible reason.
the majority of you nitwits seem to think it does!!
Get this through your miserable little heads: my first name is BILL!!!
Understand that? Bill! BEE EYE ELL ELL!!!
  _   ___   _ 
 |  _ \  |_   _| | |  | |  | | | |
 | |_) |   | |   | |  | |  | | | |
 |  _ | |   | |  | |  | | | |
 | |_) |  _| |_  | |  | |  |_| |_|
 |/  |_| |__| |__| (_) (_)

Dear Paul ...
--
Best regards,
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Working Keyboard in 5.x

2005-05-16 Thread Holtor
Hello,

Does anyone know how to make a PS/2 keyboard work when plugged into a 
system booted without a keyboard on FreeBSD 5.x? It doesn't seem to
work.

For example in 4.x the default GENERIC kernel line is:
device  atkbd0  at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1

If you leave that line alone, the ps/2 keyboard will not work if a system 
booted without one plugged in. But if you remove the flags 0x1 it will
work fine.

Does anyone know how to make the PS/2 work properly in 5.x?

Thank you,

Holt G.




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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread J. T. Farmer
Bill Paul wrote:
Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
five minutes and READ THIS!!
Someone needs to drop back on their caffeine dosage...
Seriously, if that is the worse thing that you have to deal with, then I 
really
don't care if you drop me on your personal do not care list.

I mean, I have friends out of work, others facing serious illnesses, and 
still
others that have to deal with a much heavier load than, Someone can't get
my name right...  And you have the audacity to swear at us on mailing lists
dedicated to technical support and issues

All I can say is  PAUL or BILL or BILL PAUL or PAUL BILL or whatever
you get called, you need to chill out and get a life.
John  Who dealt with being called Farmer John by dweebs who used it
   _intending_ it to derogatory insult...
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Mohan Srinivasan
OK Paul. 

Got the message Paul.

--- Bill Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
 five minutes and READ THIS!!
 
 You see that header on this e-mail? You see the From: line? Go and
 read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.
 
 No no, go back and do it again.
 
 Again!
 
 You see what is says? It says Bill Paul. It does *NOT*
 say Paul Bill, does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!
 
 No, it damn well doesn't! And yet, for some incomprehensible reason.
 the majority of you nitwits seem to think it does!!
 
 Get this through your miserable little heads: my first name is BILL!!!
 Understand that? Bill! BEE EYE ELL ELL!!!
 
   _   ___   _ 
  |  _ \  |_   _| | |  | |  | | | |
  | |_) |   | |   | |  | |  | | | |
  |  _ | |   | |  | |  | | | |
  | |_) |  _| |_  | |  | |  |_| |_|
  |/  |_| |__| |__| (_) (_)
 
 
 I can carve it into your skull with a rusty railroad spike if that
 would make it easier to remember!
 
 Do **NOT*** send me e-mails opening with
 Dear Paul! That is _NOT_ my name! I don't care if you don't speak
 english as a first language, are distracted, tired, confused, retarded
 or the President of the United States: if you can't manage to scrape
 together enough neurons to correctly choose which one of two lousy
 syllables to use when addressing me, then I would rather never hear
 from you at all!!
 
 I am not kidding around here! I've been beating my brains out for
 you rotten bastards for ten lousy years, and after all that time
 I expect you to at least do me the courtesty of GETTING MY STUPID
 NAME RIGHT!
 
 This crap has been going on for years. It ends now. Anybody who's
 dumb enough to send me an e-mail addressed to Paul instead of Bill
 will be permanently banned from my inbox. I don't care if you're on
 fire and need me to put you out: you will become persona non grata
 and you will stay that way. Furthermore, anybody who screws up and
 gets my name wrong in person will quickly find themselves beaten, 
 ground into a fine powder and sprinkled over Richard Stallman's
 oatmeal!!!
 
 And no, I don't want to hear your lousy comments on the matter!
 Don't follow up!! Don't reply!! Just nod quietly and DON'T MAKE THIS
 MISTAKE AGAIN
 
 -Bill    SEE!!! LOOK!!! IT'S RIGHT THERE! IDIOTS!
 
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 08:39:32PM +, Bill Paul wrote..
 
 Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
 five minutes and READ THIS!!
 
 You see that header on this e-mail? You see the From: line? Go and
 read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.
 
 No no, go back and do it again.
 
 Again!
 
 You see what is says? It says Bill Paul. It does *NOT*
 say Paul Bill, does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!

Its' not officially William is it?

You have my symphaty, no-one ever gets Wilko right.  And it is 
dead simple derivative of Willem Coenraad.  Wilko.  Not Wilco.  Right?

:-P

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Re: amd64 and CPUTYPE: i386 loader unusable

2005-05-16 Thread Vivek Khera
On Mar 1, 2005, at 10:39 AM, Dmitry Morozovsky wrote:
defining CPUTYPE=athlon64 in /etc/make conf renders loader  
unusable: it builds
with athlon64 optimization, and crashes (reboots) immediately. The  
following
patch fixes the problem for me.

This appears not to be a problem with CPUTYPE=opteron on 5.4-RELEASE-p1
I was trembling just before the reboot, but it came back just fine...  
or does one need to explicitly re-install the loader (other than via  
installworld)?

Vivek Khera, Ph.D.
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Will Andrews
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 11:25:21PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
 Its' not officially William is it?
 
 You have my symphaty, no-one ever gets Wilko right.  And it is 
 dead simple derivative of Willem Coenraad.  Wilko.  Not Wilco.  Right?

I do not respond to the names Bill or Andrew, so don't ever call
me that either.  ;)

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread John Pettitt


Will Andrews wrote:

On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 11:25:21PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote:
  

Its' not officially William is it?

You have my symphaty, no-one ever gets Wilko right.  And it is 
dead simple derivative of Willem Coenraad.  Wilko.  Not Wilco.  Right?



I do not respond to the names Bill or Andrew, so don't ever call
me that either.  ;)
  


That's OK I don't respond to screwhead.  Just be thankful he's not
complaining that google indexed him as Paul, Bill.



John
P.S. due to budget constraints posts will no longer be subtitled for the
humor impaired.
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Chuck Swiger
Guys--
This smells like a joe job, a forged posting intended as flamebait.
Too many misspellings, too many obvious insults trolling for a response, a 
ridiculous premise, and frankly, from what I've seen, the real Bill Paul tends 
to write code and not ASCII art.  :-)

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
cut
John  Who dealt with being called Farmer John by dweebs who used it
   _intending_ it to derogatory insult...
cut
Well with my last name it doesn't even matter in what country/language 
you are... 
However I must say (otherwise I would not write to the list anyway) that 
I can imagine that it gets frustrating when people are begging for your 
help but don't have the politeness to address you correctly. Post 
ponding it ten years, hell yes I would definitely at least express my 
frustration.

Sure there are people having much bigger problem then that (I even knew 
people who didn't have a official name).
But I seem to fail to see the logic that somebody else's big problem 
makes an total unrelated other persons problem less annoying, 
perspective is a nice thing but doesn't usually solve the root if the 
problem.

Of course Bill expressed himself in his usual writing style which always 
make me (at least) smile, don't know though if that is intentional or 
that  I have a freaking sense of humor (being born German I don't rule 
that out).

However in defense I also must say that Paul is not a bad name, I even 
got it in my middle!
Concluding, if Bill wants to be called Bill, what is the problem with that?
He is not demanding that the next new discovered planet is named after him.
His post has lighten up my day (middle in the night just before getting 
to bed you bastard!) and even got me to reply on someone saying he 
should take it more easy.

So I nod and move along.
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Roman Neuhauser
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005-05-16 17:58:04 -0400:
 Guys--
 
 This smells like a joe job, a forged posting intended as flamebait.
 
 Too many misspellings, too many obvious insults trolling for a response, a 
 ridiculous premise, and frankly, from what I've seen, the real Bill Paul 
 tends to write code and not ASCII art.  :-)

This time, it would almost be a shame: it was crisp, it was funny.

Thanks for all the fish and device drivers, Paul Bill! :)

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Re: gmirror

2005-05-16 Thread Danny Howard
Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote:
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 11:36:04AM -0400, David Magda wrote:
+ 
+ On May 14, 2005, at 10:48, Vladimir Dzhivsanoff wrote:
+ 
+ On 5/14/05, Pawel Jakub Dawidek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
+ There is my tool in ports (benchmarks/raidtest/) which does what you 
+ want.
+ The README file wasn't moved to ports, IIRC, you can find it here:
+ 
+ big thanks, Pawel
+ 
+ You may also want to check out Bonnie and Bonnie++. They're fairly 
+ standard I/O benchmark programs that are a staple in measuring 
+ performance. Bonnie is in the Ports tree.

It measures file system performance, so it is basically not this level,
but could be useful too.
 

The desired result, in the end, is filesystem performance ... so if 
you can make a distinction between the various implementations you can 
implement, this is perhaps the most useful metric.

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Re: gstripe graid3

2005-05-16 Thread Danny Howard
Vladimir Dzhivsanoff wrote:
and other: why graid5 is absent ?
Because raid5 is very complicated, and so support has not yet been 
implemented?

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Strange make buildworld behaviour with 5.4-RELEASE ( amd64 )

2005-05-16 Thread Steven Hartland
Doing a make buildworld from a directory other than /usr/src
results in the following:
[log]
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libl.a - 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln.a
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libfl.a - 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln.a
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libl_p.a - 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libfl_p.a - 
/usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
=== usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
Warning: Object directory not changed from original 
/.usr/amd64/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
make: don't know how to make /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/stdio.h. Stop
*** Error code 2
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
*** Error code 1
Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
[/log]
My /usr is a symlink to /.usr/amd64/ which shouldnt cause any
issues but buildworld get most upset. I first thought it was bad
source set but booting to single user and moving things around
so /usr is a real dir with the contents of /.usr/amd64 in works
just fine. Anyone got any ideas why and how to fix?
   Steve

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Re: Strange make buildworld behaviour with 5.4-RELEASE ( amd64 )

2005-05-16 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, May 16, 2005 at 11:16:41PM +0100, Steven Hartland wrote:
 Doing a make buildworld from a directory other than /usr/src
 results in the following:
 [log]
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libl.a - 
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln.a
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libfl.a - 
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln.a
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libl_p.a - 
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libfl_p.a - 
 /usr/obj/.usr/amd64/src/lib32/usr/lib32/libln_p.a
 === usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
 Warning: Object directory not changed from original 
 /.usr/amd64/src/usr.sbin/pcvt/keycap
 make: don't know how to make /usr/obj/usr/src/lib32/usr/include/stdio.h. 
 Stop
 *** Error code 2
 
 Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
 *** Error code 1
 
 Stop in /.usr/amd64/src.
 [/log]
 
 My /usr is a symlink to /.usr/amd64/ which shouldnt cause any
 issues but buildworld get most upset. I first thought it was bad
 source set but booting to single user and moving things around
 so /usr is a real dir with the contents of /.usr/amd64 in works
 just fine. Anyone got any ideas why and how to fix?

You need to make sure you don't have stale object files (the pathnames
are recorded), so try removing /usr/obj/ and then running 'make
cleandir' from your source tree.

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Jaimie Garner
I gotcha Paul I mean Bill owr was it William?
Have a great day maybey tomarow the srewheads will get
Latter 
Garner Jaimie or maybe Jaimie Garner
On Monday 16 May 2005 3:13 pm, Roman Neuhauser wrote:
 # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005-05-16 17:58:04 -0400:
  Guys--
 
  This smells like a joe job, a forged posting intended as flamebait.
 
  Too many misspellings, too many obvious insults trolling for a response,
  a ridiculous premise, and frankly, from what I've seen, the real Bill
  Paul tends to write code and not ASCII art.  :-)

 This time, it would almost be a shame: it was crisp, it was funny.

 Thanks for all the fish and device drivers, Paul Bill! :)

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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Ash
Whether it's Bill, Paul, John, Ringo, Real or fake, one thing is 
certain: There are not enough Army of Darkness fans on this list.


http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Army%20of%20Darkness
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/me runs off to play with BOOMSTICK
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Re: Working Keyboard in 5.x

2005-05-16 Thread Abu Khaled
On 5/17/05, Holtor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Does anyone know how to make a PS/2 keyboard work when plugged into a
 system booted without a keyboard on FreeBSD 5.x? It doesn't seem to
 work.
 
 For example in 4.x the default GENERIC kernel line is:
 device  atkbd0  at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1
 
 If you leave that line alone, the ps/2 keyboard will not work if a system
 booted without one plugged in. But if you remove the flags 0x1 it will
 work fine.
 
 Does anyone know how to make the PS/2 work properly in 5.x?
 
 Thank you,
 
 Holt G.


check src/sys/conf/NOTES 
it explains the flags that can be set in /boot/device.hints
#man atkbd
check the file /boot/device.hints
eg. hint.atkbd.0.flags=0x01 # try changing and test flags

PS: Wait for others to reply to your post. I don't have much experince
in FreeBSD and so far some people in the list would love to kick my
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problems with ASR card/5.4

2005-05-16 Thread Bruce Burden


  Hi folks,

I am trying to get my Adaptec 3210S RAID running under 5.4,
  and all I get for my trouble is pmap_ errors. Sorry, no dumps at
  the  moment.

If I compile device asr into the kernel, I get a message
  about could not copy LDT, and a panic about pmap_enter:
  invalid page directory when the system moves from single to multi
  user. (single user is no problem?)

If I do not compile the asr driver, and kldload asr instead,
  I get a panic from pmap_mapdev, instead.

Any ideas? This is annoying, and I am seriously considering
  returning to 4.11, where asr was working...

Bruce
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Matthew Jacob
What an amusing rant. As far as I can tell, I've always been banned
from your Inbox whether I called you BIll, Paul, Wpaul, or
OMisterWizard!
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Jim Thompson
On May 16, 2005, at 10:58 AM, Chris wrote:
Bill Paul wrote:
Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
five minutes and READ THIS!!
You see that header on this e-mail? You see the From: line? Go and
read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.
No no, go back and do it again.
Again!
You see what is says? It says Bill Paul. It does 
*NOT*
say Paul Bill, does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!
No, it damn well doesn't! And yet, for some incomprehensible reason.
the majority of you nitwits seem to think it does!!
Get this through your miserable little heads: my first name is BILL!!!
Understand that? Bill! BEE EYE ELL ELL!!!
  _   ___   _  |  
_ \  |_   _| | |  | |  | | | |
 | |_) |   | |   | |  | |  | | | |
 |  _ | |   | |  | |  | | | |
 | |_) |  _| |_  | |  | |  |_| |_|
 |/  |_| |__| |__| (_) (_)
Dear Paul ...
No no no.  The walrus was Paul.
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Marc Ramirez

Mr. Bill's upset!  Watch out for Sluggo, Mr. Bill!  Ohh, nooo!

On Monday 16 May 2005 04:39 pm, Bill Paul wrote:
 Ok everyone, PAY ATTENTION! Drop whatevery your doing for the next
 five minutes and READ THIS!!

 You see that header on this e-mail? You see the From: line? Go and
 read it to yourself. Read the name. Say it to yourself, out loud.

 No no, go back and do it again.

 Again!

 You see what is says? It says Bill Paul. It does *NOT*
 say Paul Bill, does it now. WELL DOES IT!!?!?!

 No, it damn well doesn't! And yet, for some incomprehensible reason.
 the majority of you nitwits seem to think it does!!

 Get this through your miserable little heads: my first name is BILL!!!
 Understand that? Bill! BEE EYE ELL ELL!!!

   _   ___   _

  |  _ \  |_   _| | |  | |  | | | |
  |
  | |_) |   | |   | |  | |  | | | |
  |
  |  _ | |   | |  | |  | | | |
  |
  | |_) |  _| |_  | |  | |  |_| |_|
  |
  |/  |_| |__| |__| (_) (_)

 I can carve it into your skull with a rusty railroad spike if that
 would make it easier to remember!

 Do **NOT*** send me e-mails opening with
 Dear Paul! That is _NOT_ my name! I don't care if you don't speak
 english as a first language, are distracted, tired, confused, retarded
 or the President of the United States: if you can't manage to scrape
 together enough neurons to correctly choose which one of two lousy
 syllables to use when addressing me, then I would rather never hear
 from you at all!!

 I am not kidding around here! I've been beating my brains out for
 you rotten bastards for ten lousy years, and after all that time
 I expect you to at least do me the courtesty of GETTING MY STUPID
 NAME RIGHT!

 This crap has been going on for years. It ends now. Anybody who's
 dumb enough to send me an e-mail addressed to Paul instead of Bill
 will be permanently banned from my inbox. I don't care if you're on
 fire and need me to put you out: you will become persona non grata
 and you will stay that way. Furthermore, anybody who screws up and
 gets my name wrong in person will quickly find themselves beaten,
 ground into a fine powder and sprinkled over Richard Stallman's
 oatmeal!!!

 And no, I don't want to hear your lousy comments on the matter!
 Don't follow up!! Don't reply!! Just nod quietly and DON'T MAKE THIS
 MISTAKE AGAIN

 -Bill    SEE!!! LOOK!!! IT'S RIGHT THERE! IDIOTS!

 --
 ===
== -Bill Paul(510) 749-2329 | Senior Engineer, Master of Unix-Fu
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Wind River Systems
 ===
== adamw you're just BEGGING to face the moose
 ===
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Re: Alright you primitive screwheads, LISTEN UP!!

2005-05-16 Thread Aluminium Oxide

On Tue, 17 May 2005 00:13:07 +0200, Roman Neuhauser
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 # [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2005-05-16 17:58:04 -0400:
  Guys--
  
  This smells like a joe job, a forged posting intended as flamebait.
  
  Too many misspellings, too many obvious insults trolling for a response, a 
  ridiculous premise, and frankly, from what I've seen, the real Bill Paul 
  tends to write code and not ASCII art.  :-)
 
 This time, it would almost be a shame: it was crisp, it was funny.
 
 Thanks for all the fish and device drivers, Paul Bill! :)

 
 -- 
 How many Vietnam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
 You don't know, man.  You don't KNOW.
 Cause you weren't THERE. http://bash.org/?255991
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Hmm. Maybe... :
$ fortune 
You know if they ever find a way to harness sarcasm as an energy source,
you people are all going to owe me big.
-- Bill Paul
__ . . .
| $ cat c.c
| #include stdio.h
| 
| main() {
| printf(#include stdio.h\n\nmain(){\n  printf(\#include
stdio.h\\n\\nmain(){\\n  printf(\\\cc c.c -o
cn\\\);\\nexit(0);\\n}\\n\);  exit(0);\n}\n);
| exit(0);
| }
| $ cc c.c -o c; ./ccc.c cc cc.c -o cc; ./c.c; cc ccc.c -o ccc;
./ccc
|_See?___Damien Miller___ [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
  Aluminium Oxide
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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