Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not

[H]

Mark Linimon wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 02:28:37AM -0300, H wrote:
>> because you don't care about what really matters, people, users, you
>> do not even know how to talk to them
> I've been criticized for saying this to a user before, but I'm going to
> repeat it here regardless of consequences.
>
> I'm sorry, you (as a user) do not have the right to flame someone in
> this manner and then expect them to listen to further input from you,
> no matter how reasonable your further contributions are.
>
> We are not paid employees, who might have to simply continue to work with
> you because their business requires it.
>
> I am not speaking for Kip here but I will state that I myself am happy
> to work with users up until I feel I am getting treated like this, at
> which point I feel no further obligation whatsoever to try to help them.
>
> Executive summary: you are being very rude here.
>
> mcl

well, as they say, as you shout into the woods it comes back ...
who can not stand the echo better hold his peace ...

not withstanding the annulment of my rights ... I grant you the right to
criticize me as you wish

do you mean rude or direct?

I have the right, even the obligation to point out what I think is wrong

if you think it's not, then make your point

but telling me what I can or not is kind of lame, don't you think so? 



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Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not

[Mark Linimon]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2012 at 02:28:37AM -0300, H wrote:
> because you don't care about what really matters, people, users, you
> do not even know how to talk to them

I've been criticized for saying this to a user before, but I'm going to
repeat it here regardless of consequences.

I'm sorry, you (as a user) do not have the right to flame someone in
this manner and then expect them to listen to further input from you,
no matter how reasonable your further contributions are.

We are not paid employees, who might have to simply continue to work with
you because their business requires it.

I am not speaking for Kip here but I will state that I myself am happy
to work with users up until I feel I am getting treated like this, at
which point I feel no further obligation whatsoever to try to help them.

Executive summary: you are being very rude here.

mcl
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Re: Resume broken in 8.3-PRERELEASE

[Hans Petter Selasky]

On Monday 05 March 2012 05:17:59 Alexey Dokuchaev wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2012 at 09:11:29AM +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote:
> > On Friday 02 March 2012 20:25:32 Jung-uk Kim wrote:
> > > Try the attached patch.  At least, it fixed my problem.
> > 
> > I've committed your patch with some minor modifications.
> > 
> > http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/232448
> 
> Unfortunately, it does not fix resume for me; and hw.usb.no_shutdown_wait
> flipping did not make any difference either.  Any other ideas?
> Particularly, I'm curious why disabling all USB modules still does not
> allow this laptop to resume.  What are USB debugging techniques?

USB debugging:

Have "options USB_DEBUG" in kernel config. Then set xxx.debug = 15 under 
hw.usb, typically hw.usb.uhub.debug=15

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Re: Request for flowtable testers and actionable feedback RE: flowtable usable or not

[H]

K. Macy wrote:
> I'm re-sending this portion of another mail as it will inevitably not
> be read by most readers by virtue of having been part of a long and
> digressive thread.
>
this is exactly one of this statements which makes users (normal people)
stay away

a person-person understand this as "shut up fuckers, you're disturbing
my privileged thinking, how do you dare you little nothings"

and certainly not going along with your quoted anti-nazi statement
below, well, thinking better,  the last paragraph may apply ...

what you said here before

>... any progress, any improvements, any
> advancements will only happen because *we* made it happen.


bravo!!! hurray!!! Mr. *WE* Sir Judge of the poor souls... you have
really balls to write such a thing, do you?


in modern people conversations, this what you call digressive, we call
it brainstorming and it is _highly_ desirable, because talking together
leads to new ideas, what you apparently refuse to acknowledge

you do shit when you have a close mind

some people simply do not get the big picture because they only see
themselves, their interests and personal reflection in the pretended
egomaniac outcome

and that my friend, certainly is no progress at all ...

ohh you know what is funny? At the end, you are one of these in your own
quote:

> The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'get by.'

because you don't care about what really matters, people, users, you do
not even know how to talk to them

I might go with Doug's frustration

> Clearly you are either unable or unwilling to see my point, so I wish
> you all the best.

and what he said gently in another thread, I still did not agreed that
time, but now I'm coming closer

>That's only true if the project leadership agrees with your goals

Sooo all you Mr. *WEs*  good work! we worship you until the rest of your
days and beyond

H


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>“The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'get by.'
> The ordinary men who just want to be left in peace. Those who don’t
> want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves.
> Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won’t take measure of
> their own strength, for fear of antagonizing their own weakness. Those
> who don’t like to make waves—or enemies.
>
>Those for whom freedom, honour, truth, and principles are only
> literature. Those who live small, love small, die small. It’s the
> reductionist approach to life: if you keep it small, you’ll keep it
> under control. If you don’t make any noise, the bogeyman won’t find
> you.
>
>But it’s all an illusion, because they die too, those people who
> roll up their spirits into tiny little balls so as to be safe. Safe?!
> >From what? Life is always on the edge of death; narrow streets lead to
> the same place as wide avenues, and a little candle burns itself out
> just like a flaming torch does.
>
>I choose my own way to burn.”
>
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Re: Resume broken in 8.3-PRERELEASE

[Alexey Dokuchaev]

On Sat, Mar 03, 2012 at 09:11:29AM +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote:
> On Friday 02 March 2012 20:25:32 Jung-uk Kim wrote:
> > Try the attached patch.  At least, it fixed my problem.
> 
> I've committed your patch with some minor modifications.
> 
> http://svn.freebsd.org/changeset/base/232448

Unfortunately, it does not fix resume for me; and hw.usb.no_shutdown_wait
flipping did not make any difference either.  Any other ideas?
Particularly, I'm curious why disabling all USB modules still does not
allow this laptop to resume.  What are USB debugging techniques?

./danfe
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Re: Intel(R) PRO/1000 PT Dual Port Server Adapter not working properly

[Herbert J. Skuhra]

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:39:01 +0800
Irjohn Junus  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> This was originally posted here:
> http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?p=168854&posted=1#post168854
> 
> I'm building a new PF firewall box based on FreeBSD 9 Release. Motherboard
> is Foxconn H61S Mini-ITX with Intel PRO/1000 PT dual port server adapter.
> 
> The adapter is recognized as em0 and em1 but em0 just won't work (i.e no
> light on the port when connected to the switch) and em1 works only in
> 100baseTX full-duplex mode (no carrier if I force it to 1000baseT). I tried
> to change switch port, UTP cable from Cat5e to Cat6 but still no luck. The
> onboard Realtek works fine. Switch is Netgear GS608. Could it be a bad
> Intel card?
> 
> I also tried to compile the latest driver from Intel but it gives error
> during compilation:
> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/conf...&Dwnldid=17509
> 
> Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> 
> ps: command captures are provided at the url above.

Maybe you should test with 8.3-BETA1. The recent em1000 drivers (7.3.0?)
were mfc'ed to stable/8 January 31st but not to stable/9.

See:




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Re: flowtable usable or not

[Adrian Chadd]

2012/3/3 Doug Barton :
> On 03/02/2012 16:05, Adrian Chadd wrote:
>> Try breaking that cycle.
>
> ... one of the things I've been asking for years. :)
>
> Julian's right though, I think PC-BSD will help, but I still think that
> committers should run -current. I've asked privately for our committers
> to go back to -current and then have some dedicated development time
> where we work together to fix the problems that *we* find in order to
> make the project more desktop-friendly overall. I was (figuratively)
> laughed out of the room.

There's a magic intersection between "need to run current" and "need
to keep stuff unbroken enough to get work done."

I have 9.0-REL and -HEAD boxes at the moment which I actually use for
development. But enough things are going wonky with kde4 for now that
getting "actual work done" is hard. Upgrading ports will become a lot
less painful with pkgng, so I hope to try and migrate to that when
it's (more) ready.

This is the unfortunate side effect of things being mostly run by
volunteers who have to work to eat. :-)


Adrian
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Re: flowtable usable or not

[Bas Smeelen]

On 03/03/2012 04:32 PM, H wrote:

Bas Smeelen wrote:

/>/ away. Binary packages are a big time saver and are more efficient. It
/>/ should be easy for FreeBSD to make it easy to install the most recent
/>/ versions of all binary packages, its beyond belief they cannot pull
/>/ off such a simple ans straight forward, and basic part of any OS.  /

come on, you really think I need lecturing about how to read threads?

and I did not misquoted nothing, you are trying to save your ass here :)

in the above excerpt _YOU_ are talking about packages and how easy it is
... and this "cannot pull off" thing ...

then you tell us today that ports is the best ever happened to you


I am sorry, but I really did not write the sentences you quote. It is 
what David Jackson wrote and I replied to it.


Please see again
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2012-January/237779.html 



I will paste the the message below:


 Unable to upgrade packages on FreeBSD

*Bas Smeelen* b.smeelen at ose.nl 


/Mon Jan 30 23:01:17 UTC 2012

/

On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 17:04:56 -0500
David Jacksonhttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>>  wrote:


/  On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 3:58 PM, Bas Smeelenhttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>>  wrote:

/>/
/>/  >  On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:52:07 -0500
/>/  >  David Jacksonhttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions>>  wrote:
/>/  >
/>/  >  >  I have tried endlessly to no avail to upgrade binary the packages
/>/  >  >  on Freebsd to the latest version. I have tried:
/>/  >  >
/>/  >  >  *portupgrade -PP -a
/>/  >  >  *portmaster -PP -a
/>/  >  >  *pkg_update
/>/  >  >
/>/  >  >  All fail miserably and totally and have left the system in an
/>/  >  >  unuseable state.
/>/  >
/>/  >  What's unusable? For instance, servers are perfectly usable without
/>/  >  graphical tools. If you have tried `endlessly` why didn't you
/>/  >  consult /usr/ports/UPDATING and just recompile the ports without
/>/  >  using binary packages?
/>/  >  Or you might want to try PCBSD, it's FreeBSD with some fancy stuff
/>/  >  taken care of which might solve the problem you complain about.
/>/  >  >
/>/  >
/>/
/>/
/>/  I wish to use binary packages and I specifically do not want to
/>/  compile anything, it tends to take far too long to compile programs
/>/  and would rather install some packages and have it all work right
/>/  away. Binary packages are a big time saver and are more efficient. It
/>/  should be easy for FreeBSD to make it easy to install the most recent
/>/  versions of all binary packages, its beyond belief they cannot pull
/>/  off such a simple ans straight forward, and basic part of any OS.
/
I understand your motivations.
On my 1,6GHz celeron it takes a lot of time to compile the ~600 ports I
use, especially chromium for instance and when I forget to give an
option to not bother me with questions it sits there waiting for me to
enter y or n.
Ports/ packages are not `a basic part` of the FreeBSD OS. I also don't
think it is simple and straight forward to satisfy all different user
requirements and options in a package system. Ubuntu for my taste has
had flukes in many ways many times in the past and still has (often
enough the developers desktop users complain). It works good with
complete upgrades at times, on the other hand it still leaves me
sometimes with an unusable freezing OS on the desktop, and before every
upgrade it has becomes mandatory to me to first try it with an USB boot.
This is something I cannot have on server systems being used 24x7.


/

/>/
/>/  >  >  Why can't FreeBSD just make the package system "just work". Right
/>/  >  >  after installing FreeBSD I should be able to type a single command
/>/  >  >  such as update_packages and it should update all packages on the
/>/  >  >  system, with no errors and without requiring any configurations
/>/  >  >  to be troubleshooted, it should work out of the box.
/>/  >  >
/>/  >  >  Why not? Why is something so simple so difficult and impossible?
/>/  >  >  Ubuntu can do it, why not FreeBSD?
/>/  >
/>/  >  FreeBSD unlike Ubuntu is an entirely volunteer project. Ubuntu has
/>/  >  a dedicated corporation working on it and I guess a larger user
/>/  >  base.
/>/  >
/>/
/>/  The reason that FreeBSD has a smaller user base is because it has a
/>/  dysfunctional package system and it is hard to upgrade package to the
/>/  most recent version, making FreeBSD more difficult to use/
/>/
/>/  But doing a workable package system is not difficult, it something
/>/  that FreeBSD should be easily able to make it easy to have a way to
/>/  upgrade packages to most recent versions out of box anbd in an error
/>/  free and reliable way.
/>/
/>/
/>/  >  >
/>/  >  >  Why cant FreeBSD  Just make the package upgrades wor

Re: devd(8) based AUTOMOUNTER (version 1.3)

[vermaden]

Already at 1.3.1 ...

Fixed the 'detach' section (s/PREFIX/MNTPREFIX/g).
Fixed removing directories of manually (properly) unmounted filesystems.

"vermaden"  pisze:
> Hi,
> 
> after some 'fun' with MP3 players I have made some modifications and fixes.
> 
> Here is a list of whats changed:
> 
> Fixed bug about inproper exFAT detection, now mounts fine.
> Fixed bug about creating mount dirs for all attached devices no matter if 
> needed or not.
> Revised 'detach' section, now removes only directory that is unmounted (if 
> enabled of course).
> Simplified FAT/NTFS sections, removed additional check as it break some MP3 
> players default filesystems automount.
> 
> The latest 1.3 version can be found here as usual:
> https://github.com/vermaden/automount/
> 
> Regards,
> vermaden
> 
> 
> 




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devd(8) based AUTOMOUNTER (version 1.3)

[vermaden]

Hi,

after some 'fun' with MP3 players I have made some modifications and fixes.

Here is a list of whats changed:

Fixed bug about inproper exFAT detection, now mounts fine.
Fixed bug about creating mount dirs for all attached devices no matter if 
needed or not.
Revised 'detach' section, now removes only directory that is unmounted (if 
enabled of course).
Simplified FAT/NTFS sections, removed additional check as it break some MP3 
players default filesystems automount.

The latest 1.3 version can be found here as usual:
https://github.com/vermaden/automount/

Regards,
vermaden


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