Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, kama wrote: What I meant was the todo page on www.freebsd.org. Like: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/TODO.html Where problems and showstoppers where brought up. I found that information very valueble. Especially when the release went overdue I could easily see what caused the delay. The last release I did not really get information about why the release was delayed. At least not as easily as reloading a webpage. We do plan to create such a page, but are currently finding things to populate it with since we're early in the release process yet. We'll send out an e-mail once it's up. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
* Robert Watson (rwat...@freebsd.org) wrote: It would probably be worth skimming svn logs for stable/7 to see what other testing focuses would be particularly useful. In case it's of use, I have full searchable SVN history here: http://beta.freshbsd.org/?q=branch:RELENG_7 -- Thomas 'Freaky' Hurst http://hur.st/ ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On 21/03/2009, at 10:49 PM, Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, kama wrote: What I meant was the todo page on www.freebsd.org. Like: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/TODO.html Where problems and showstoppers where brought up. I found that information very valueble. Especially when the release went overdue I could easily see what caused the delay. The last release I did not really get information about why the release was delayed. At least not as easily as reloading a webpage. We do plan to create such a page, but are currently finding things to populate it with since we're early in the release process yet. We'll send out an e-mail once it's up. Is there any way to automatically create such a page from the bug tracker? Ari Maniatis -- ish http://www.ish.com.au Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001 GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:18:03AM +1100, Aristedes Maniatis wrote: Is there any way to automatically create such a page from the bug tracker? Not that fills in the dates, no. We are working on a prototype to track particular PRs. mcl ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Jack Raats wrote: One of the most important things for us to keep an eye on in this release is that the boot loader now works on a number of pieces of hardware on which it reressed for 6.4/7.1. If it proves successful, we'll likely also do errata notes and roll new ISOs for 6.4. About FreeBSD 6.4. If you consider to make new 6.4 iso's, perhaps it would be better to think about an 6.5 release It's a question of bandwidth for the release engineering team, ports team, security officer team, etc -- I think a 6.5 is pretty much out of the question right now with 8.0 preparing to ramp up and 7.2 now in flight. That gives us a short menu of options: - Errata patches - Errata patches + ISO reroll - Point release Because of the boot loader issues, errata patches don't really cut it alone, as if you can't install, you definitely can't apply errata patches :-). This suggests a reroll or a point release. For me the distinction remains fuzzy, but I think a key to either approach would be avoiding having to fully re-QA, do BETAs, build new packages, etc. This suggests taking RELENG_6_4 on some date, perhaps rebranching if it's a point release, or not if it's an ISO reroll, and bundling it with exactly the same packages we shipped in 6.4 (etc) and bumping a few documentation parts. We'd cut a release candidate just to make sure we had the bits right, ask people to test install it, etc, but as there would be no new features, we'd expect relatively little change. I think I wouldn't even change the proposed EoL date of the branch -- 7.x is doing very well, and we need developers to focus on getting 8.0 ready to ship. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
- Original Message - From: Robert Watson rwat...@freebsd.org One of the most important things for us to keep an eye on in this release is that the boot loader now works on a number of pieces of hardware on which it reressed for 6.4/7.1. If it proves successful, we'll likely also do errata notes and roll new ISOs for 6.4. About FreeBSD 6.4. If you consider to make new 6.4 iso's, perhaps it would be better to think about an 6.5 release Jack Raats ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
From: Robert Watson rwat...@freebsd.org About FreeBSD 6.4. If you consider to make new 6.4 iso's, perhaps it would be better to think about an 6.5 release It's a question of bandwidth for the release engineering team, ports team, security officer team, etc -- I think a 6.5 is pretty much out of the question right now with 8.0 preparing to ramp up and 7.2 now in flight. That gives us a short menu of options: - Errata patches - Errata patches + ISO reroll - Point release Because of the boot loader issues, errata patches don't really cut it alone, as if you can't install, you definitely can't apply errata patches :-). This suggests a reroll or a point release. This reminds me of FreeBSD 4.6 and FreeBSD 4.6.2 (The first FreeBSD I ever used was 4.6, that's why I remember) For me the distinction remains fuzzy, but I think a key to either approach would be avoiding having to fully re-QA, do BETAs, build new packages, etc. This suggests taking RELENG_6_4 on some date, perhaps rebranching if it's a point release, or not if it's an ISO reroll, and bundling it with exactly the same packages we shipped in 6.4 (etc) and bumping a few documentation parts. Indeed, that's a lot of work for an errata patch. Jack ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Thursday 19 March 2009 5:34:12 am Robert Watson wrote: For me the distinction remains fuzzy, but I think a key to either approach would be avoiding having to fully re-QA, do BETAs, build new packages, etc. This suggests taking RELENG_6_4 on some date, perhaps rebranching if it's a point release, or not if it's an ISO reroll, and bundling it with exactly the same packages we shipped in 6.4 (etc) and bumping a few documentation parts. We'd cut a release candidate just to make sure we had the bits right, ask people to test install it, etc, but as there would be no new features, we'd expect relatively little change. I think I wouldn't even change the proposed EoL date of the branch -- 7.x is doing very well, and we need developers to focus on getting 8.0 ready to ship. Actually, a point release shouldn't be a rebranch, it would just be a new tag on the existing RELENG_6_4 branch. The only difference in a point release vs. an errata patch is what you change the release name to (6.4-RELEASE-p(X+1) vs 6.4.1-RELEASE)) and whether or not you upload bits to the ftp servers. If the goal is to generate ISOs that we put up for ftp, I think it should be a point release, but it would certainly reuse 6.4 packages (or have no packages). That is, I think ISO reroll == point release. I also think we shouldn't upload things to ftp that aren't actual releases (that is, I wouldn't upload 6.4-RELEASE-p10 to ftp since we don't upload new release bits for every security advisory we do). -- John Baldwin ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Ken Smith wrote: We're starting the release process for FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE. The major highlights of the schedule are: Code Freeze:March 23rd BETA1 March 30th Branch April 10th RC1 April 13th RC2 April 20th Release:May 4th The full schedule is here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/schedule.html though most of the other events haven't been given specific dates yet. Since it's often the case that developers process quite a few outstanding MFCs during the last couple days before a code freeze starts I have changed RELENG_7 to say it is 7.2-PRERELEASE now as a bit of a heads-up that the release cycle is imminent. You might need to be a tiny bit more careful using RELENG_7 right now because the odds of you getting a snapshot of the tree taken part way through someone doing something that required multiple commits goes up during this phase of a release. Is it possible to get back the todo page during this release phase? /Bjorn ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, kama wrote: Since it's often the case that developers process quite a few outstanding MFCs during the last couple days before a code freeze starts I have changed RELENG_7 to say it is 7.2-PRERELEASE now as a bit of a heads-up that the release cycle is imminent. You might need to be a tiny bit more careful using RELENG_7 right now because the odds of you getting a snapshot of the tree taken part way through someone doing something that required multiple commits goes up during this phase of a release. Is it possible to get back the todo page during this release phase? One of the most important things for us to keep an eye on in this release is that the boot loader now works on a number of pieces of hardware on which it reressed for 6.4/7.1. If it proves successful, we'll likely also do errata notes and roll new ISOs for 6.4. Since superpage support was MFC'd, keeping an eye out for new VM problems is important. A number of audit-related changes have been merged improving support for audit pipes, so extra testing of that functionality would be welcome. It would probably be worth skimming svn logs for stable/7 to see what other testing focuses would be particularly useful. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, kama wrote: Since it's often the case that developers process quite a few outstanding MFCs during the last couple days before a code freeze starts I have changed RELENG_7 to say it is 7.2-PRERELEASE now as a bit of a heads-up that the release cycle is imminent. You might need to be a tiny bit more careful using RELENG_7 right now because the odds of you getting a snapshot of the tree taken part way through someone doing something that required multiple commits goes up during this phase of a release. Is it possible to get back the todo page during this release phase? One of the most important things for us to keep an eye on in this release is that the boot loader now works on a number of pieces of hardware on which it reressed for 6.4/7.1. If it proves successful, we'll likely also do errata notes and roll new ISOs for 6.4. Since superpage support was MFC'd, keeping an eye out for new VM problems is important. A number of audit-related changes have been merged improving support for audit pipes, so extra testing of that functionality would be welcome. It would probably be worth skimming svn logs for stable/7 to see what other testing focuses would be particularly useful. What I meant was the todo page on www.freebsd.org. Like: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/TODO.html Where problems and showstoppers where brought up. I found that information very valueble. Especially when the release went overdue I could easily see what caused the delay. The last release I did not really get information about why the release was delayed. At least not as easily as reloading a webpage. Well, just my $0.02... /Bjorn ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:23 +0100, kama wrote: Is it possible to get back the todo page during this release phase? During the last couple of releases I simply didn't have time to do everything and this was one of the things that fell by the wayside. After the dust from 7.1 settled we started to make arrangements for someone else to set this up and watch over it for us during the release. It might take him a little time to get rolling with it (as in it might not appear immediately upon the release cycle starting) but hopefully we will have something along these lines come back at some point during this release. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, March 18, 2009 08:38, Robert Watson wrote: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, kama wrote: Since it's often the case that developers process quite a few outstanding MFCs during the last couple days before a code freeze starts I have changed RELENG_7 to say it is 7.2-PRERELEASE now as a bit of a heads-up that the release cycle is imminent. You might need to be a tiny bit more careful using RELENG_7 right now because the odds of you getting a snapshot of the tree taken part way through someone doing something that required multiple commits goes up during this phase of a release. Is it possible to get back the todo page during this release phase? One of the most important things for us to keep an eye on in this release is that the boot loader now works on a number of pieces of hardware on which it reressed for 6.4/7.1. If it proves successful, we'll likely also do errata notes and roll new ISOs for 6.4. from cdrom or the installed one ? I had problems (still have as it doesn't boot) from usb using via mini itx. would be worth trying again ? (I must use current, as my usb nic just works under head) thanks, matheus Since superpage support was MFC'd, keeping an eye out for new VM problems is important. A number of audit-related changes have been merged improving support for audit pipes, so extra testing of that functionality would be welcome. It would probably be worth skimming svn logs for stable/7 to see what other testing focuses would be particularly useful. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- We will call you cygnus, The God of balance you shall be ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Robert Watson wrote: What I meant was the todo page on www.freebsd.org. Like: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/TODO.html The above link is giving Error 404 : Not found . http://www.freebsd.org/releases/http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/TODO.htmlpage does NOT have a link to 7.2R . Therefore , it is NOT possible to reach that page from .../releases/ page . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Ken Smith wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:23 +0100, kama wrote: Is it possible to get back the todo page during this release phase? During the last couple of releases I simply didn't have time to do everything and this was one of the things that fell by the wayside. After the dust from 7.1 settled we started to make arrangements for someone else to set this up and watch over it for us during the release. It might take him a little time to get rolling with it (as in it might not appear immediately upon the release cycle starting) but hopefully we will have something along these lines come back at some point during this release. While such lists do have downsides (you shipped even though problem X on your showstopper list wasn't fixed!) they also have some nice advantages -- one is focusing user community testing time and developer community fixing time. At least in the case of 7.2, though, I'm not aware of any major outstanding problems, so focuses for testing are presumably just in the areas of major change from 7.1. Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
* Robert Watson rwat...@freebsd.org [090318 14:38]: On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Ken Smith wrote: On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 10:23 +0100, kama wrote: Is it possible to get back the todo page during this release phase? During the last couple of releases I simply didn't have time to do everything and this was one of the things that fell by the wayside. After the dust from 7.1 settled we started to make arrangements for someone else to set this up and watch over it for us during the release. It might take him a little time to get rolling with it (as in it might not appear immediately upon the release cycle starting) but hopefully we will have something along these lines come back at some point during this release. While such lists do have downsides (you shipped even though problem X on your showstopper list wasn't fixed!) they also have some nice advantages -- one is focusing user community testing time and developer community fixing time. At least in the case of 7.2, though, I'm not aware of any major outstanding problems, so focuses for testing are presumably just in the areas of major change from 7.1. One change I have not seen mentioned on stable yet is that we now have localized libc messages. Might be a good idea to have a look at scripts that expect to see certain outputs from commands. Wolfgang ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
Robert Watson wrote: One of the most important things for us to keep an eye on in this release is that the boot loader now works on a number of pieces of hardware on which it reressed for 6.4/7.1. If it proves successful, we'll likely also do errata notes and roll new ISOs for 6.4. I have a machine that I updated to 7-STABLE the other day. The boot loader didn't work until I copied /boot files from an old FreeBSD. I'd like to participate in getting this fixed. Is there a place that work is being done on this? Bug reports, info needed, person to contact etc.? Cheers, Stef ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
We're starting the release process for FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE. The major highlights of the schedule are: Code Freeze:March 23rd BETA1 March 30th Branch April 10th RC1 April 13th RC2 April 20th Release:May 4th The full schedule is here: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.2R/schedule.html though most of the other events haven't been given specific dates yet. Since it's often the case that developers process quite a few outstanding MFCs during the last couple days before a code freeze starts I have changed RELENG_7 to say it is 7.2-PRERELEASE now as a bit of a heads-up that the release cycle is imminent. You might need to be a tiny bit more careful using RELENG_7 right now because the odds of you getting a snapshot of the tree taken part way through someone doing something that required multiple commits goes up during this phase of a release. Thanks. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensm...@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: FreeBSD 7.2 Release process starting...
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:19:11AM -0400, Ken Smith wrote: We're starting the release process for FreeBSD 7.2-RELEASE. The major highlights of the schedule are: Is there a chance the latest ZFS bugfixes from CURRENT will make it into 7.2-RELEASE? Regards, Holger ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-stable-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
