dell latitude 13

2011-07-04 Thread vermaden
 Intel Core#2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz, 3MB L2 cache, FSB 800MHz
 Intel GS45 Express + Intel ICH9M-Enhanced (chipset)
 Intel GMA 4500 MHD (graphics)
 Intel Link 5100 IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n WiFi (wifi)

Hi,

I have a laptop with GM45 with GMA 4500 MHD graphics,
also a WiFi card 5100 and all taht hardware works like
a charm, with i915.ko driver for GMA 4500 and if_iwn.ko
for the wireless 5100 chip.

Regards,
vermaden

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dell latitude 13

2011-07-02 Thread Zoran Kolic
Dear folks!
I see threads on the laptop subject, some forums also,
but no clue for cheap lapper with freebsd compatibility.
There is a chance to get mentioned box for about 450
euros, without OS and with specs like this:

Intel Core#2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz, 3MB L2 cache, FSB 800MHz
Intel GS45 Express + Intel ICH9M-Enhanced (chipset)
Intel GMA 4500 MHD (graphics)
13.3 1366x768 HD WLED Anti-Glare (screen)
Intel Link 5100 IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n WiFi (wifi)
ExpressCard
6-cell Li-lon battery
FreeDos (OS)

I'm aware of something called optimus to optimize graphics
and inability to know prior getting laptop home. Someone
already has this laptop? To me it looks like it should work
out of the box.
I tend to like box to be cold and silent. If you have idea
or better laptop in the price range, I'd be eager to know.
Best regards all

   Zoran

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Re: dell latitude 13

2011-07-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
While NVIDIA provides a FreeBSD driver for their stand-alone video, Optimus
is not supported and NVIDIA has stated that they have no plans to support it
for Linux or BSD.

If you Google FreeBSD NVIDIA optimus, you will find that not only is it
useless other than for Windows, but that it interferes with the main
graphics system, usually Intel 3000 which is actually a part of the Sandy
Bridge CPU.

Since the Intel chip is also still unsupported by FreeBSD, you will be
limited to VEDA support which is very limited.

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Retired
kob6...@gmail.com
On Jul 1, 2011 8:04 PM, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote:
 Dear folks!
 I see threads on the laptop subject, some forums also,
 but no clue for cheap lapper with freebsd compatibility.
 There is a chance to get mentioned box for about 450
 euros, without OS and with specs like this:

 Intel Core#2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz, 3MB L2 cache, FSB 800MHz
 Intel GS45 Express + Intel ICH9M-Enhanced (chipset)
 Intel GMA 4500 MHD (graphics)
 13.3 1366x768 HD WLED Anti-Glare (screen)
 Intel Link 5100 IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n WiFi (wifi)
 ExpressCard
 6-cell Li-lon battery
 FreeDos (OS)

 I'm aware of something called optimus to optimize graphics
 and inability to know prior getting laptop home. Someone
 already has this laptop? To me it looks like it should work
 out of the box.
 I tend to like box to be cold and silent. If you have idea
 or better laptop in the price range, I'd be eager to know.
 Best regards all

 Zoran

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Re: dell latitude 13

2011-07-02 Thread Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 1:24 AM, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote:

 Dear folks!
 I see threads on the laptop subject, some forums also,
 but no clue for cheap lapper with freebsd compatibility.
 There is a chance to get mentioned box for about 450
 euros, without OS and with specs like this:

 Intel Core#2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz, 3MB L2 cache, FSB 800MHz
 Intel GS45 Express + Intel ICH9M-Enhanced (chipset)
 Intel GMA 4500 MHD (graphics)
 13.3 1366x768 HD WLED Anti-Glare (screen)
 Intel Link 5100 IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n WiFi (wifi)
 ExpressCard
 6-cell Li-lon battery
 FreeDos (OS)

 I'm aware of something called optimus to optimize graphics
 and inability to know prior getting laptop home. Someone
 already has this laptop? To me it looks like it should work
 out of the box.
 I tend to like box to be cold and silent. If you have idea
 or better laptop in the price range, I'd be eager to know.
 Best regards all

   Zoran




For laptops you may check the following site :

http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/


Also check FreeBSD Hardware lists such as

ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/8.2-RELEASE/HARDWARE.HTM
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/8.2-RELEASE/HARDWARE.HTM

for hardware compatibility issues , for example , search Intel GMA 4500 MHD
(graphics) , and other chips .



It is NOT possible to know in advance without any prior knowledge whether a
computer is working with FreeDOS will work with FreeBSD because these are
very different systems . Therefore my idea is to avoid FreeDOS loaded
computers if it is to be used for FreeBSD or Linux . The producer/seller can
install FreeBSD or Linux without cost ( if the computer is NOT a DOS
computer , i.e. , FreeBSD ( Unix ) , Linux can work on it  ) .

Over the years , always my suggestion to my friends is to select at least a
computer having Linux installed . If there is Linux on it and it is working
it is very likely that it will work with FreeBSD .
If you can find a laptop as FreeBSD is installed , it is much better than
any other ones .


Another way is to test the computer for FreeBSD is to start it with a
FreeBSD LiveCD ( This will not show the FreeBSD can be installed and run
successfully  . Over time , some programs may crash due to missing circuit
parts because such parts are NOT included into the circuits because they are
NOT necessary for DOS or its children . With a few run , this point can not
be understood without applying test programs ( which I do NOT know any such
program name ) . Such a feature may turn your computer unusable for you with
FreeBSD or Linux over time when it occurs under a required program . ) .  As
a summary , to such Live CD checks , do NOT rely on much , actually ignore
such pseudo-tests .


For other BSD related GUI Live CD distributions , you may check the
following site :

http://www.livebsd.org/





Thank you very much .

Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: dell latitude 13

2011-07-02 Thread Zoran Kolic
Thanks for answering my question.

 Since the Intel chip is also still unsupported by FreeBSD, you will be
 limited to VEDA support which is very limited.

I found that dell sells ubuntu on mentioned laptop in some parts
of the globe. Further, my old laptop (HP nx9020) has intel chip
and works under intel driver. I need simple 2d, no frills. Does
newer chip run for plain graphics at all? No acceleration? Fine.
I don't use it neither on my NVIDIA GeForce 6200 card with nv
driver.

 For laptops you may check the following site :
 http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/

Old and no newer machines on the site.

 Also check FreeBSD Hardware lists such as
 ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/8.2-RELEASE/HARDWARE.HTM

Intel 5100 wifi should work with device iwn5000fw or 5150?

 It is NOT possible to know in advance without any prior knowledge whether a
 computer is working with FreeDOS will work with FreeBSD because these are
 very different systems .

It is sold with freedos to be cheap enough. I appreciate that.

 The producer/seller can install FreeBSD or Linux without cost

Not where I live. When I bought my previous laptop, live cd was the
guide if it worked at all. It is a matter of buy it as it is now.
More, no cd on latitude 13, which is fine, since it keeps it at
3 lb.

My two fears are acpi and graphics 4500mhd. I found links that show
4500 supported.
http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/subnotebooks-once-again-td4197868.html
If the list thinks I should wait, it is a metter of adding the code
as on this link:
http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php/t-21852.html
Best regards all

   Zoran


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Re: dell latitude 13

2011-07-02 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Jul 2, 2011 4:16 AM, Zoran Kolic zko...@sbb.rs wrote:

 Thanks for answering my question.

  Since the Intel chip is also still unsupported by FreeBSD, you will be
  limited to VEDA support which is very limited.

 I found that dell sells ubuntu on mentioned laptop in some parts
 of the globe. Further, my old laptop (HP nx9020) has intel chip
 and works under intel driver. I need simple 2d, no frills. Does
 newer chip run for plain graphics at all? No acceleration? Fine.

Linux has the required GEM/KMS support, but FreeBSD does not. It is being
worked on, but I don't think it's near ready.

 I don't use it neither on my NVIDIA GeForce 6200 card with nv
 driver.

The Optimus is a GPU designed in conjunction with Intel Sandy Bridge CPUs
which have integrated Intel 5000 graphics. Optimus acts as an external
accelerator using the Intel frame buffer. It will not work with any NVIDIA
driver; nv, the NVIDIA binary driver, or the nouveau driver. NVIDIA has been
clear that there is no plan to ever support Optimus on non-Windows systems.

  For laptops you may check the following site :
  http://laptop.bsdgroup.de/freebsd/

 Old and no newer machines on the site.

  Also check FreeBSD Hardware lists such as
 
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/8.2-RELEASE/HARDWARE.HTM

 Intel 5100 wifi should work with device iwn5000fw or 5150?

  It is NOT possible to know in advance without any prior knowledge
whether a
  computer is working with FreeDOS will work with FreeBSD because these
are
  very different systems .

 It is sold with freedos to be cheap enough. I appreciate that.

  The producer/seller can install FreeBSD or Linux without cost

 Not where I live. When I bought my previous laptop, live cd was the
 guide if it worked at all. It is a matter of buy it as it is now.
 More, no cd on latitude 13, which is fine, since it keeps it at
 3 lb.

 My two fears are acpi and graphics 4500mhd. I found links that show
 4500 supported.

http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/subnotebooks-once-again-td4197868.html
 If the list thinks I should wait, it is a metter of adding the code
 as on this link:
 http://forums.freebsd.org/archive/index.php/t-21852.html

If it is a 4500, you will have at least minimal graphics support. You should
be able to disable the NVIDIA daughter card on BIOS, but I would not want to
guarantee it.

Good luck!

R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Retired
kob6...@gmail.com
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