Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN
On Sun, 8 Nov 2015 23:52:38 +0100 win...@genial.ms wrote: > While doing that I found and deleted some useless example images from the CMS. > I also noticed that the docs folder is outdated in git; its older than on the > website > and probably unnecessary as it can be regenerated from the .tex files. > It would be nice if the developer.pdf and html could be added to the website. > Btw. there are many parts with weird outdated bugtracker/featuretracker > embedding > and/or rss, some parts look like ad-scripting. I'd guess these could be > removed, > unless your want to fix them? I have no plans to work on the web site ATM. Indeed all I can do ATM is clear out my patch queue, as work is intruding heavily into my FreeCol hacking time. > I found there is an image for kings regular in scout role, but there is no > resource key. > There are also no resource keys for other roles of the kings regular. > Is it 100% sure these can never be displayed? If for example one looses his > weapons, > then finds some available horses it could result in a scout or not? Kings Regulars die when they lose all equipment, and they lose horses first, so they can not become scouts. However, one can imagine a rule change to make it possible. I recommend restoring the resource key but with a comment that it is purely for completeness for now. > I found some scripts for making tiles, but did not investigate if they might > work for > creating double sized rivers/forests/beaches/tile border transitions, which > would > be nice to have. I think that was an experiment Michael was working on. I was dubious about it at the time as the maps rarely contain places where there are four adjoining land tiles of the same type. >[More image questions] Sorry, no idea on any of these. > Currently I just added higher res images which can be seen when zooming in > the map. > Theoretically there are other images useful for people using --gui-scale > option, but > I'm not sure if its useful enough to add these without suppressing loading of > these > without the option (which would complicate the resource management)? Your call there. You know the tradeoffs in the resource management system best. Cheers, Mike Pope pgpRZLiYnbEmj.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Presto, an open source distributed SQL query engine for big data, initially developed by Facebook, enables you to easily query your data on Hadoop in a more interactive manner. Teradata is also now providing full enterprise support for Presto. Download a free open source copy now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=250295911&iu=/4140___ Freecol-developers mailing list Freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freecol-developers
Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN
Hi, I used the unit and colony images from the website part now to have higher res images for when the map is zoomed in, as this was slightly less tedious than using the psd files from old SVN (though there is some images where this will be necessary). Website stuff: While doing that I found and deleted some useless example images from the CMS. I also noticed that the docs folder is outdated in git; its older than on the website and probably unnecessary as it can be regenerated from the .tex files. It would be nice if the developer.pdf and html could be added to the website. Btw. there are many parts with weird outdated bugtracker/featuretracker embedding and/or rss, some parts look like ad-scripting. I'd guess these could be removed, unless your want to fix them? There are broken links to the old sourceforge trackers inside history.html and IIRC also some other page. I'd think these links could just be removed from the page. Game: I found there is an image for kings regular in scout role, but there is no resource key. There are also no resource keys for other roles of the kings regular. Is it 100% sure these can never be displayed? If for example one looses his weapons, then finds some available horses it could result in a scout or not? I found some scripts for making tiles, but did not investigate if they might work for creating double sized rivers/forests/beaches/tile border transitions, which would be nice to have. Sadly the newer tile backgrounds have no art files in the SVN, there is only outdated tiles and mountains. I wonder if anyone kept these somewhere? It seems Stian Grenborgen added some variations to the colony images with different fortifications 2006 in git.a1bb4545, but I did not find psd files for these in SVN, only for the 6 older variants. Do you think there is a chance he might still have source art files for these or other images, as there is still BR#2049 open? Otherwise it might be possible to put together more than one of the available psd, as I found many separate layers inside these, but that would be better done by someone with Photoshop and more artistic talent than me. Currently I just added higher res images which can be seen when zooming in the map. Theoretically there are other images useful for people using --gui-scale option, but I'm not sure if its useful enough to add these without suppressing loading of these without the option (which would complicate the resource management)? Greetings, wintertime Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 18:20 Uhr Von: "Caleb Williams" An: win...@genial.ms Cc: "FreeCol Developers" Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN My 2 cents is to have either a separate trunk or in some way to put it in separate repository. I would have been a fan of doing that for the website too. That way the source art is separate from the actual game-use art. Caleb On Nov 4, 2015 11:05 AM, <win...@genial.ms> wrote: Hi, > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 11:26 Uhr > Von: "Michael T. Pope" <mp...@computer.org> > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:17:52 +0100 > win...@genial.ms wrote: > > some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the > > source art files from SVN. > > > > I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing > > list about what should be required in terms of source for art files, > > which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this > > stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages? > > I am not sure artwork is in the same category as source code. Do the FSF > say anything about this? My impression is they mostly just care about source code (and partially documentation) and that resulted in the GPL only using words referring to code. There is some statement where they recommend using GPL even though they say you have to know yourself what sourcecode means (as they might not even know themself): http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware IIRC this ambiguity and uncertainty is one of the reasons CC-BY-SA was created by people who care about artists. > > Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo. > > What do you think? > > I would prefer not to grow the repo that much (indeed, I was hoping to > evict the website directory in due course). Perhaps we should start a > freecol-artwork project. Yeah, I pretty much want to avoid growing it too much, too. Thats why I asked if you have a better idea and was trying to prune it before adding it (I found a paint.net plugin for psd files which I'll try out). A separate art repo might be a good idea, maybe you could convert the SVN and git filter-branch inappropriate stuff like col1 or civ3 art. For the website its too late already, as you fiddl
Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN
My 2 cents is to have either a separate trunk or in some way to put it in separate repository. I would have been a fan of doing that for the website too. That way the source art is separate from the actual game-use art. Caleb On Nov 4, 2015 11:05 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 11:26 Uhr > > Von: "Michael T. Pope" > > > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:17:52 +0100 > > win...@genial.ms wrote: > > > some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the > > > source art files from SVN. > > > > > > I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing > > > list about what should be required in terms of source for art files, > > > which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this > > > stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages? > > > > I am not sure artwork is in the same category as source code. Do the FSF > > say anything about this? > > My impression is they mostly just care about source code (and partially > documentation) and that resulted in the GPL only using words referring > to code. There is some statement where they recommend using GPL even though > they say you have to know yourself what sourcecode means (as they might > not even know themself): > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware > IIRC this ambiguity and uncertainty is one of the reasons CC-BY-SA was > created by people who care about artists. > > > > Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo. > > > What do you think? > > > > I would prefer not to grow the repo that much (indeed, I was hoping to > > evict the website directory in due course). Perhaps we should start a > > freecol-artwork project. > > Yeah, I pretty much want to avoid growing it too much, too. Thats why > I asked if you have a better idea and was trying to prune it before > adding it (I found a paint.net plugin for psd files which I'll try out). > A separate art repo might be a good idea, maybe you could convert the SVN > and git filter-branch inappropriate stuff like col1 or civ3 art. > For the website its too late already, as you fiddling around with > git filter-branch invalidates all commit hashes. I would just keep it > for now, unless it helps with maintenance or upload of the website. > I also found a number of useful higher res images in the website part, > which I would want to keep, so I'd prefer you do not delete it, tell me > when/if it happens and let me sort out what to delete and what not. > > > Greetings, > > winteertime > > > -- > ___ > Freecol-developers mailing list > Freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freecol-developers > -- ___ Freecol-developers mailing list Freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freecol-developers
Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN
Hi, > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 04. November 2015 um 11:26 Uhr > Von: "Michael T. Pope" > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:17:52 +0100 > win...@genial.ms wrote: > > some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the > > source art files from SVN. > > > > I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing > > list about what should be required in terms of source for art files, > > which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this > > stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages? > > I am not sure artwork is in the same category as source code. Do the FSF > say anything about this? My impression is they mostly just care about source code (and partially documentation) and that resulted in the GPL only using words referring to code. There is some statement where they recommend using GPL even though they say you have to know yourself what sourcecode means (as they might not even know themself): http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLOtherThanSoftware IIRC this ambiguity and uncertainty is one of the reasons CC-BY-SA was created by people who care about artists. > > Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo. > > What do you think? > > I would prefer not to grow the repo that much (indeed, I was hoping to > evict the website directory in due course). Perhaps we should start a > freecol-artwork project. Yeah, I pretty much want to avoid growing it too much, too. Thats why I asked if you have a better idea and was trying to prune it before adding it (I found a paint.net plugin for psd files which I'll try out). A separate art repo might be a good idea, maybe you could convert the SVN and git filter-branch inappropriate stuff like col1 or civ3 art. For the website its too late already, as you fiddling around with git filter-branch invalidates all commit hashes. I would just keep it for now, unless it helps with maintenance or upload of the website. I also found a number of useful higher res images in the website part, which I would want to keep, so I'd prefer you do not delete it, tell me when/if it happens and let me sort out what to delete and what not. Greetings, winteertime -- ___ Freecol-developers mailing list Freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freecol-developers
Re: [Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN
On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:17:52 +0100 win...@genial.ms wrote: > some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the > source art files from SVN. > > I did go though the files now and they are large... > > I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing > list about what should be required in terms of source for art files, > which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this > stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages? I am not sure artwork is in the same category as source code. Do the FSF say anything about this? > I think source art is as important to preserve as source code and > its also nice to have lossless files, not just ogg or jpg or down- > sized png. Some files provide higher resolution images I plan on > using, though that needs some changes to the resource loading and > key files to allow more than one size to be loaded, which can get > weird if a mod overwrites something. > Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo. > What do you think? I would prefer not to grow the repo that much (indeed, I was hoping to evict the website directory in due course). Perhaps we should start a freecol-artwork project. Cheers, Mike Pope pgprrjqeeMvEd.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ___ Freecol-developers mailing list Freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freecol-developers
[Freecol-developers] Source art files from SVN
Hi, some time ago we already talked about rescuing some of the source art files from SVN. I did go though the files now and they are large. I already pruned a few hundred MB of irrelevent files (outdated terraintiles, screenshots and sprites from other games), but there are still about 800MB left. There are still some duplicated files, extracted resized images and slightly modified versions of psd-s, some of which could be removed, but it would be a large effort of manual file comparisons without knowing if there is enough to be pruned for it to be worthwhile. I still have the problem that I only get a rough preview of psd files from Libre Office, maybe gimp can import them if I install it, although it only seems to have partial compatibility? I also happened to see some old discussion on debian games mailing list about what should be required in terms of source for art files, which made me think about licensing requirements and if some of this stuff would actually needed to be included in the source packages? I think source art is as important to preserve as source code and its also nice to have lossless files, not just ogg or jpg or down- sized png. Some files provide higher resolution images I plan on using, though that needs some changes to the resource loading and key files to allow more than one size to be loaded, which can get weird if a mod overwrites something. Though it worries me that it might triple the size of the git repo. What do you think? Regards, wintertime -- ___ Freecol-developers mailing list Freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freecol-developers
