Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-02-01 Thread D Blakeley via Freecol-developers
 Opps forgot no pics allowed in mailing lists sorry. Re-sending.
On Saturday, 1 February 2020, 06:38:50 pm ACDT, D Blakeley 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi guys,
It's been a while, I've been buried in my own mod projects (retro Heroes of 
Might & Magic Civ2, C&C Civ2 , and Red Alert 2 Civ2 mods). However I haven't 
forgotten about my promises to help you guys on a few things (within my limited 
abilities haha) so I just thought I'd give an update on a few things and ask 
for some help on a few others.
1 - IndieDB Work:https://www.indiedb.com/games/freecol
If you guys check out the old FreeCol IndieDB page you'll see I've made a 
number of updates to it recently. I've cloned the last stable release and some 
of the recent nightly releases over there so that new visitors see the new 
versions at the top instead of those bloody ancient 2010 files (which we can't 
get rid of). I have also uploaded those 19 HD FreeCol shots I took a while back 
(which I've told you guys about before) effectively burring all the old not so 
pretty screenshots that were on the page (which we also can't get rid of).
Interestingly it's already attracted some attention as someone posted a comment 
on the main page saying it looks good and they'd love to see a video! Guess 
that means it's already working haha!
I have NOT posted an article there yet though as that's the one that really 
attracts attention (as it goes into the main IndieDB & ModDB new pages) as I'm 
thinking I'll hold off until I've got the HD video finished and on Youtube. 
Then do a big "FreeCol is alive and well!" news post with the critical links, 
pics and vid.
There's nothing I can do about the ancient banner across the top using old 
graphics as only an admin can change that and presumably the admin of this page 
was one of the long gone old FreeCol team members.
But nevertheless FreeCol is getting a much nicer & modern representation on 
arguably the largest mods & indie game website out there now! :)

2 - Facebook 
Group:https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/b73f378418/
Some of you may have already noticed the thread I made on the SF forum about 
this but I've created a new (and world's only it would seem) Colonization Fans 
Facebook group. This is a long term project (as it takes ages for them to get 
going and get lots of sign ups) where I plan to market FreeCol by posting cool 
info and news about the project as well as talking about other cool 
Colonization games of course, but FreeCol will be getting the most attention 
from me. I don't think there's a dedicated Colonization fans group on reddit 
either so I might look into that too.
I've just posted those same 19 sexy HD FreeCol shots into an album there 
too:https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.2507871526102866&type=3


3 - Sourceforge:Can someone with admin access to the sourceforge page please 
please please please please please please please please help me do those front 
page updates posted 
here:https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/42b0844f/#a702/9e85

Believe me I'd love to do it myself and not be bothering you guys about it but 
I can't, only admins can. It only needs about 2 minutes from one of you as I've 
already written everything up. There's no modifying required (even for the 
links) as I've tested the changes on my B5 mod page. Just a matter of copy 
paste copy paste copy paste copy paste copy paste of the summary and the 
features into the boxes on the Admin/Metadata/Full Description page.

4 - Website Work:I see Winter has finished the big overhaul of the website and 
it looks amazing!! Keeps the old theme but is so clean and efficient in the 
frontend and backend. I love it!
So now that his work is done I can look at adding some of those new ideas I've 
probably mentioned before such as adding some of my HD pictures to the 
Screenshots Section, adding a new Videos  Section that's similar in layout to 
the screenshots section (which has FreeCol version and date info on each item) 
but has youtube videos in there instead (I've found a whole bunch on there and 
of course I've got my own cool HD one coming too), and later down the track I 
was thinking about a dedicated Modding  Section that gives some general 
information maybe with a screenshot or 2 about how FreeCol is super mod 
friendly and links where to go on the forums (eg a dedicated modding info 
sticky thread I've also been thinking about putting together for you guys) to 
see guides, info & wishlists on modding etc. I believe that marketing FreeCol's 
modability more is one of the best ways to attract new programming and graphic 
talent to your team. Plus every time someone complains about something in 
Freecol they don't like on forums and social media then everyone can just say 
"no problem mate, here's a link to our modding info and guide section where you 
can learn to make a mod doing exactly what you want and if others like it too 
then we'll stick in the release mods". Just shove tha

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread David Lewis
I think if we are using what winter has started using (Jekyll), the only
thing that you'll need to know is markdown. There will be the HTML and CSS
templates in there as well, but most of the time you will not need to edit
those. Regardless when or if you do need to edit them, they are in the code
base and I don't imagine that we would have anything outside the code base.
This means that you edit the website in the code, commit to Git, and then
simply upload it if we are going to continue using source forge.

If we switch to using GitHub for the website, the only thing that you would
need to do is edit the documents and commit them to Git. They would be
immediately visible on the website. we could even put some controls around
it like pull requests to make them go live.

David

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 1:04 AM D Blakeley via Freecol-developers <
freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Jon, I think we both lost the Wordpress debate buddy, time to capitulate
> haha.
>
> Hmm well if Stian's not to be contacted unless there's an emergency I'd
> say that's a no haha!
>
> I think Mike came later after other dudes worked on it for years and
> burned out.
>
> BTW Don't worry Mike I got your latest msg via dev list and your
> previously missing message decided to arrive (from dev list) today a day
> late too.. and into my spam folder lmao. Well played yahoo well played..
>
> I'm thinking about switching to Internode.. iinet are driving me nuts..
>
> If you guys are doing all this website work on SF I guess I better figure
> out how to edit webpages on SF lol.. took me long enough to figure out how
> to do the website changes on the github copy but if that's missing out on
> the latest stuff then I better figure out SF lol. Do I need any special
> programs installed on my comp? Or does SF have a built in HTML/text file
> editor like github has?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Blake
>
>
>
> On Friday, 3 January 2020, 07:21:59 pm ACDT, Jonathan Aquilina <
> eagles051...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> My concern is this. Is said person holding the domain still interested in
> the project and being involved. If not its best to easily have the domain
> transferred to someone who is more active like Michael for example.
>
> @Michael is freecol your baby that you have developed from the ground up?
>
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:40 AM  wrote:
>
> This was all before I joined the project. My assumption had always been he
> is only to be contacted in case of emergency.
> We should only disturb them after everything is decided, and then it would
> fall on Mike, as he is the one who knows them.
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:30 Uhr
> *Von:* "Jonathan Aquilina" 
> *An:* win...@genial.ms
> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
> Has anyone tried to contact him?
>
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM  wrote:
>
> As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is controlling
> the domain records, which means it is not that easy.
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:20 Uhr
> *Von:* "Jonathan Aquilina" 
> *An:* win...@genial.ms
> *Cc:* "David Lewis" , "FreeCol Developers" <
> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
> Hi Winter,
>
> You are worried about breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to
> that you would need to add a CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point
> to the .io site so if i go to the .org it would redirect me to the alias .io
>
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you
> could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.
> It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file
> remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.
> If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly
> breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might
> also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.
> We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the
> domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.
> There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the
> directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a
> backup before a switchover!
> I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever
> controls the .org domain giving his ok.
>
> Greetings
>
> wintertime
>
>
> *Gesendet:*

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread D Blakeley via Freecol-developers
 Jon, I think we both lost the Wordpress debate buddy, time to capitulate haha.
Hmm well if Stian's not to be contacted unless there's an emergency I'd say 
that's a no haha!

I think Mike came later after other dudes worked on it for years and burned out.
BTW Don't worry Mike I got your latest msg via dev list and your previously 
missing message decided to arrive (from dev list) today a day late too.. and 
into my spam folder lmao. Well played yahoo well played..
I'm thinking about switching to Internode.. iinet are driving me nuts..
If you guys are doing all this website work on SF I guess I better figure out 
how to edit webpages on SF lol.. took me long enough to figure out how to do 
the website changes on the github copy but if that's missing out on the latest 
stuff then I better figure out SF lol. Do I need any special programs installed 
on my comp? Or does SF have a built in HTML/text file editor like github has?

Regards
Blake


On Friday, 3 January 2020, 07:21:59 pm ACDT, Jonathan Aquilina 
 wrote:  
 
 My concern is this. Is said person holding the domain still interested in the 
project and being involved. If not its best to easily have the domain 
transferred to someone who is more active like Michael for example.
@Michael is freecol your baby that you have developed from the ground up?

Jonathan Aquilina

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:40 AM  wrote:

This was all before I joined the project. My assumption had always been he is 
only to be contacted in case of emergency.We should only disturb them after 
everything is decided, and then it would fall on Mike, as he is the one who 
knows them.  Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:30 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina" 
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" 
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixesHas anyone tried to contact him? 
Jonathan Aquilina On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM  wrote:
As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is controlling the 
domain records, which means it is not that easy.  Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 
2020 um 09:20 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina" 
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "David Lewis" , "FreeCol Developers" 

Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixesHi Winter, You are worried about 
breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to that you would need to add a 
CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point to the .io site so if i go to the 
.org it would redirect me to the alias .io Jonathan Aquilina On Fri, Jan 3, 
2020 at 9:18 AM  wrote:
Hi, a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you 
could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.It's just that we are completely HTML only 
without a single .php file remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.If 
you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly breaking our 
.org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might also break some 
direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.We would get https on the .io 
domain, but certificates are bound to the domain not ip, thats why I doubt it 
would work correctly on our .org domain.There is still some old files on the 
ftp for the webserver in the directory above the htdocs directory for the 
website -- these will need a backup before a switchover!I would not click the 
switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever controls the .org domain 
giving his ok. Greetings wintertime  Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 
06:31 Uhr
Von: "David Lewis" 
An: "Michael T. Pope" 
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" 
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixesLol, bizarre. Yay for Yahoo 
filtering. I don't know that the forums would be moved. I think we may just 
leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a need to transition 
absolutely everything over to github from source forge, just primarily the code 
base and the website. And also probably the ticket tracker to GitHub issues. I 
don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely. David On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 
PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
win...@genial.ms wrote:
> I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's 
> kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other 
> stuff is still on SF?

Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.

> Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on GitHub?

That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:

                Your website is currently hosted at
                http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4

                To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x, click 
the button below.
                There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You may 
switch back if needed.

I propose to click the button. 

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
My concern is this. Is said person holding the domain still interested in
the project and being involved. If not its best to easily have the domain
transferred to someone who is more active like Michael for example.

@Michael is freecol your baby that you have developed from the ground up?

Jonathan Aquilina


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:40 AM  wrote:

> This was all before I joined the project. My assumption had always been he
> is only to be contacted in case of emergency.
> We should only disturb them after everything is decided, and then it would
> fall on Mike, as he is the one who knows them.
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:30 Uhr
> *Von:* "Jonathan Aquilina" 
> *An:* win...@genial.ms
> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
> Has anyone tried to contact him?
>
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM  wrote:
>
>> As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is
>> controlling the domain records, which means it is not that easy.
>>
>>
>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:20 Uhr
>> *Von:* "Jonathan Aquilina" 
>> *An:* win...@genial.ms
>> *Cc:* "David Lewis" , "FreeCol Developers" <
>> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>> Hi Winter,
>>
>> You are worried about breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to
>> that you would need to add a CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point
>> to the .io site so if i go to the .org it would redirect me to the alias .io
>>
>> Jonathan Aquilina
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you
>>> could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.
>>> It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file
>>> remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.
>>> If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly
>>> breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might
>>> also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.
>>> We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the
>>> domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.
>>> There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the
>>> directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a
>>> backup before a switchover!
>>> I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever
>>> controls the .org domain giving his ok.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> wintertime
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 06:31 Uhr
>>> *Von:* "David Lewis" 
>>> *An:* "Michael T. Pope" 
>>> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>>> Lol, bizarre.
>>>
>>> Yay for Yahoo filtering.
>>>
>>> I don't know that the forums would be moved.
>>> I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see
>>> a need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source
>>> forge, just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the
>>> ticket tracker to GitHub issues.
>>>
>>> I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
>>>> win...@genial.ms wrote:
>>>> > I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but
>>>> it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the
>>>> other stuff is still on SF?
>>>>
>>>> Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
>>>> at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
>>>> problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.
>>>>
>>>> > Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain
>>>> on GitHub?
>>>>
>>>> That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who
>>>> has
>>>> permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:
>>>>
>>>> Your website is currently hosted at
>>>&g

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread winter
This was all before I joined the project. My assumption had always been he is only to be contacted in case of emergency.

We should only disturb them after everything is decided, and then it would fall on Mike, as he is the one who knows them.

 
 

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:30 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina" 
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" 
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



Has anyone tried to contact him?

 



Jonathan Aquilina



 


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM <win...@genial.ms> wrote:




As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is controlling the domain records, which means it is not that easy.

 
 

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:20 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina" <eagles051...@gmail.com>
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "David Lewis" <highwayofl...@gmail.com>, "FreeCol Developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



Hi Winter,

 

You are worried about breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to that you would need to add a CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point to the .io site so if i go to the .org it would redirect me to the alias .io

 



Jonathan Aquilina



 


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM <win...@genial.ms> wrote:




Hi,

 

a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.

It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.

If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.

We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.

There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a backup before a switchover!

I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever controls the .org domain giving his ok.


 

Greetings

 

wintertime

 

 

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 06:31 Uhr
Von: "David Lewis" <highwayofl...@gmail.com>
An: "Michael T. Pope" <mp...@computer.org>
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



Lol, bizarre.
 

Yay for Yahoo filtering.

 

I don't know that the forums would be moved. 

I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source forge, just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the ticket tracker to GitHub issues.

 

I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.

 

David
 


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope <mp...@computer.org> wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
win...@genial.ms wrote:
> I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other stuff is still on SF?

Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.

> Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on GitHub?

That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:

                Your website is currently hosted at
                http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4

                To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x, click the button below.
                There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You may switch back if needed.

I propose to click the button.  There is also some interesting stuff about
github connections which I have yet to read.  More soon.


And in the special D Blakeley section:-):  Blake, yahoo is not
accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:

        This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

        THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

        YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

        Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.

              <d_blake...@yahoo.com>

        The reason for the problem:
        4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'

Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn'

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Has anyone tried to contact him?

Jonathan Aquilina


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:29 AM  wrote:

> As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is controlling
> the domain records, which means it is not that easy.
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:20 Uhr
> *Von:* "Jonathan Aquilina" 
> *An:* win...@genial.ms
> *Cc:* "David Lewis" , "FreeCol Developers" <
> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
> Hi Winter,
>
> You are worried about breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to
> that you would need to add a CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point
> to the .io site so if i go to the .org it would redirect me to the alias .io
>
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you
>> could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.
>> It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file
>> remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.
>> If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly
>> breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might
>> also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.
>> We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the
>> domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.
>> There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the
>> directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a
>> backup before a switchover!
>> I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever
>> controls the .org domain giving his ok.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> wintertime
>>
>>
>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 06:31 Uhr
>> *Von:* "David Lewis" 
>> *An:* "Michael T. Pope" 
>> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>> Lol, bizarre.
>>
>> Yay for Yahoo filtering.
>>
>> I don't know that the forums would be moved.
>> I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a
>> need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source forge,
>> just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the ticket
>> tracker to GitHub issues.
>>
>> I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
>>> win...@genial.ms wrote:
>>> > I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but
>>> it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the
>>> other stuff is still on SF?
>>>
>>> Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
>>> at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
>>> problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.
>>>
>>> > Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on
>>> GitHub?
>>>
>>> That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who
>>> has
>>> permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:
>>>
>>> Your website is currently hosted at
>>> http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4
>>>
>>> To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP
>>> 7.x, click the button below.
>>> There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You
>>> may switch back if needed.
>>>
>>> I propose to click the button.  There is also some interesting stuff
>>> about
>>> github connections which I have yet to read.  More soon.
>>>
>>>
>>> And in the special D Blakeley section:-):  Blake, yahoo is not
>>> accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:
>>>
>>> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>>>
>>> THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.
>>>
>>> YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.
>>>
>>> Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>> The reason for the problem:
>>> 4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04]
>>> Messages from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints -
>>> 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'
>>>
>>> Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
>>> awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn't, I am guessing the problem
>>> is at your end.  Now we just need someone to quote this email so Blake
>>> sees it.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mike Pope
>>>
>>> [1] "New" as in "added since I last looked around about a year ago"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread winter
As I tried to say, Stian or another inactive project member is controlling the domain records, which means it is not that easy.

 
 

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 09:20 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina" 
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "David Lewis" , "FreeCol Developers" 
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



Hi Winter,

 

You are worried about breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to that you would need to add a CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point to the .io site so if i go to the .org it would redirect me to the alias .io

 



Jonathan Aquilina



 


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM <win...@genial.ms> wrote:




Hi,

 

a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.

It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.

If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.

We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.

There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a backup before a switchover!

I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever controls the .org domain giving his ok.


 

Greetings

 

wintertime

 

 

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 06:31 Uhr
Von: "David Lewis" <highwayofl...@gmail.com>
An: "Michael T. Pope" <mp...@computer.org>
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



Lol, bizarre.
 

Yay for Yahoo filtering.

 

I don't know that the forums would be moved. 

I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source forge, just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the ticket tracker to GitHub issues.

 

I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.

 

David
 


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope <mp...@computer.org> wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
win...@genial.ms wrote:
> I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other stuff is still on SF?

Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.

> Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on GitHub?

That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:

                Your website is currently hosted at
                http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4

                To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x, click the button below.
                There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You may switch back if needed.

I propose to click the button.  There is also some interesting stuff about
github connections which I have yet to read.  More soon.


And in the special D Blakeley section:-):  Blake, yahoo is not
accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:

        This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

        THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

        YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

        Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.

              <d_blake...@yahoo.com>

        The reason for the problem:
        4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'

Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn't, I am guessing the problem
is at your end.  Now we just need someone to quote this email so Blake sees it.

Cheers,
Mike Pope

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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Hi Winter,

You are worried about breaking the domain, there is an easy solution to
that you would need to add a CNAME (Alias) record on DNS which will point
to the .io site so if i go to the .org it would redirect me to the alias .io

Jonathan Aquilina


On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you
> could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.
> It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file
> remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.
> If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly
> breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might
> also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.
> We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the
> domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.
> There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the
> directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a
> backup before a switchover!
> I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever
> controls the .org domain giving his ok.
>
> Greetings
>
> wintertime
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 06:31 Uhr
> *Von:* "David Lewis" 
> *An:* "Michael T. Pope" 
> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
> Lol, bizarre.
>
> Yay for Yahoo filtering.
>
> I don't know that the forums would be moved.
> I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a
> need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source forge,
> just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the ticket
> tracker to GitHub issues.
>
> I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
>> win...@genial.ms wrote:
>> > I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but
>> it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the
>> other stuff is still on SF?
>>
>> Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
>> at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
>> problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.
>>
>> > Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on
>> GitHub?
>>
>> That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
>> permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:
>>
>> Your website is currently hosted at
>> http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4
>>
>> To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x,
>> click the button below.
>> There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You
>> may switch back if needed.
>>
>> I propose to click the button.  There is also some interesting stuff about
>> github connections which I have yet to read.  More soon.
>>
>>
>> And in the special D Blakeley section:-):  Blake, yahoo is not
>> accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:
>>
>> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>>
>> THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.
>>
>> YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.
>>
>> Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.
>>
>>   
>>
>> The reason for the problem:
>> 4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04]
>> Messages from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints -
>> 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'
>>
>> Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
>> awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn't, I am guessing the problem
>> is at your end.  Now we just need someone to quote this email so Blake
>> sees it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike Pope
>>
>> [1] "New" as in "added since I last looked around about a year ago"
>>
>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-03 Thread winter
Hi,

 

a few days ago when reading SF webserver documentation, I saw that you could switch over from PHP5 to PHP7.

It's just that we are completely HTML only without a single .php file remaining -- that's why I saw no use in doing it.

If you switch over the domain would change from .net to .io, possibly breaking our .org domain, depending on how it is configured. This might also break some direct links to the .net subdomain somewhere.

We would get https on the .io domain, but certificates are bound to the domain not ip, thats why I doubt it would work correctly on our .org domain.

There is still some old files on the ftp for the webserver in the directory above the htdocs directory for the website -- these will need a backup before a switchover!

I would not click the switch over button, without Stian and/or whoever controls the .org domain giving his ok.


 

Greetings

 

wintertime

 

 

Gesendet: Freitag, 03. Januar 2020 um 06:31 Uhr
Von: "David Lewis" 
An: "Michael T. Pope" 
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" 
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



Lol, bizarre.
 

Yay for Yahoo filtering.

 

I don't know that the forums would be moved. 

I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source forge, just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the ticket tracker to GitHub issues.

 

I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.

 

David
 


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope <mp...@computer.org> wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
win...@genial.ms wrote:
> I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other stuff is still on SF?

Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.

> Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on GitHub?

That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:

                Your website is currently hosted at
                http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4

                To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x, click the button below.
                There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You may switch back if needed.

I propose to click the button.  There is also some interesting stuff about
github connections which I have yet to read.  More soon.


And in the special D Blakeley section:-):  Blake, yahoo is not
accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:

        This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

        THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

        YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

        Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.

              <d_blake...@yahoo.com>

        The reason for the problem:
        4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'

Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn't, I am guessing the problem
is at your end.  Now we just need someone to quote this email so Blake sees it.

Cheers,
Mike Pope

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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Hi Winter,

Wordpress you wont have to create or code a theme as loads are available. I
am even willing to contribute a premium paid theme i purchased for your use
as its really highly customizable and loads of premade layouts and easy to
create new page layouts with WPBakery. This is a drag and drop element
system you then just need to add info etc that you want to that element.

Jonathan Aquilina


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:45 AM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I can assure you, the whole reason for me to introduce Jekyll is to make
> it easy for others to contribute, by separating code(theme) and content.
> You saw the html-tag-soup we had for a while, where it's difficult to find
> what you need and where to add something.
> The goal is to have it as easy as dropping a markdown file (like the one I
> attached to the mail yesterday) in the right place. Older pages will
> probably stay in html, but loose all the surrounding cruft, only contain
> the content (with a few img, ul, li, div, p, a, br) and can later be easily
> replaced with markdown on demand.
> As we are on SF we need to type the compilation command and upload its
> result, but otherwise it'll be same as for the many people having GitHub
> pages.
>
> Working on the theme will be a little more complicated, but easier than
> creating a WordPress theme. Still, after cleaning up all existing pages to
> use the template, I plan on upgrading and simplifying its html and css.
> Moving over to WordPress would need conversion of existing content and most
> likely creation of a theme, too.
>
> Greetings
>
> wintertime
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 02. Januar 2020 um 08:18 Uhr
> *Von:* "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" <
> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *An:* "David Lewis" , "Jonathan Aquilina" <
> eagles051...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>
> *> thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and
> styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.*
>
> That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not
> going to be something the average guy (eg me) can use which means I won't
> be able to help you guys move content over and do my ideas of creating new
> video & screenshot sections etc. Plus Winter's gonna be too busy in a few
> weeks & isn't going to want people pestering him about site issues plus
> mikes busy with other stuff (eg the game itself lol) and isn't going to
> want to be bothered about website stuff, but if its not easy to use that's
> exactly whats going to happen lol.
>
> BTW Mike since your catching up on msgs don't forget this ;P
>
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/42b0844f/#a702/9e85/07a6/d983/f301
>
> Need your help, or need you to help David so he can help me haha
>
>
> Regards
>
> blake
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 03:34:09 pm ACDT, Jonathan Aquilina <
> eagles051...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> That is another good option, thing is the community will need someone
> versed in website coding and styling if that person leaves there is a bit
> of an issue there.
>
>
> Jonathan Aquilina
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM David Lewis 
> wrote:
>
> We do have the option of using GitHub pages, which works well for Jekyll,
> and free for OSS. They website would be driven directly from Git and
> wouldn't need to worry about FTP access.
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 8:27 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:
>
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:15:09 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting
> > offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.
>
> I too appreciate the offer, but I am reluctant to split the project over
> yet more sites.  SF has its disadvantages, but we have no replacement for
> the SF forums.  Meanwhile I am hopeful the new static generator will reduce
> the maintenance pain in the long term.
>
> Apologies for the slow reply, sorting out the bug list and mail backlog is
> taking me a while.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Pope
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
David,

Re wordpress, I run a very tight ship on my cpanel server. Anyone trying to
brute force an account more or less unless i know its legitimate and
someone accidentally blocked themselves by typing in the password
incorrectly i  usually let those slide anything else is blocked at the
firewall of this server. I also use Wordfence which is a very strong and
powerful WAF for wordpress, alerts you to attacks on user credentials ip
origins etc. From a security aspect i think wordpress has come a really
long way since v3 when i started using it.

Jonathan Aquilina


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 12:23 PM David Lewis  wrote:

> I would echo your sentiments about WordPress. I used to be a Drupal / WP
> Dev for Disney some years ago and I would steer very far away from the
> WordPress platform, it'll give way more problems than it's worth.
> Especially security wise.
>
> Jekyll is probably the easiest method to come up with. It'll have the
> lowest bar for coding and maintenance. You'll find it super easy, Blake.
> It's more of a markdown formatter, so you write pages in Markdown instead
> of HTML. Templates are in HTML CSS, but most of the time you don't need to
> touch these unless you want a special customization or new feature added,
> but the content itself is just all markdown docs.
>
> I'll try my access when I get to a computer, I haven't tried yet.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 1:07 AM Michael T. Pope  wrote:
>
>> >>[Jonathan]
>> >> thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and
>> styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.
>>
>> This has always been the case.
>>
>> >[D Blakeley]
>> > That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not
>> going to be something the average guy (eg me) can use...
>>
>> AFAICT if you want to write content, then use of Jekyll means you have to
>> write in Markdown.  You are going to have to be pretty average to find
>> Markdown a high bar:-).
>>
>> If you want to build the site you will need a working Jekyll install,
>> which might be trickier.
>>
>> The actual upload to SF is straightforward, but you need permission.  I
>> have looked at the SF permissions, and remain confused.  However if
>> winterime is able to upload (which is good) David should have the same
>> permissions.  David, have you tried:
>>
>>   sftp $USERNAME,free...@web.sf.net
>>
>> with your SF username and credentials?
>>
>>
>> Anyway... generally with respect to the website I really do not have a
>> many strong opinion about how or what it looks like.  I am delighted
>> people are working on it again, and I am trying to help but mostly keep
>> out of the way.  What I do care about is that it be low maintenance
>> because as Jonathan rightly reminds us above, people leave.  However I do
>> not share Jonathan's enthusiasm for Wordpress... one CMS debacle was
>> enough.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mike Pope
>>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Hi Mike,

Why I am advocating wordpress you do not need to know html, css or
markdown. Just put in plain text and the inner workings of the wordpress
theme and wordpress core take care of the rest.

Jonathan Aquilina


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:07 AM Michael T. Pope  wrote:

> >>[Jonathan]
> >> thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and
> styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.
>
> This has always been the case.
>
> >[D Blakeley]
> > That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not
> going to be something the average guy (eg me) can use...
>
> AFAICT if you want to write content, then use of Jekyll means you have to
> write in Markdown.  You are going to have to be pretty average to find
> Markdown a high bar:-).
>
> If you want to build the site you will need a working Jekyll install,
> which might be trickier.
>
> The actual upload to SF is straightforward, but you need permission.  I
> have looked at the SF permissions, and remain confused.  However if
> winterime is able to upload (which is good) David should have the same
> permissions.  David, have you tried:
>
>   sftp $USERNAME,free...@web.sf.net
>
> with your SF username and credentials?
>
>
> Anyway... generally with respect to the website I really do not have a
> many strong opinion about how or what it looks like.  I am delighted
> people are working on it again, and I am trying to help but mostly keep
> out of the way.  What I do care about is that it be low maintenance
> because as Jonathan rightly reminds us above, people leave.  However I do
> not share Jonathan's enthusiasm for Wordpress... one CMS debacle was
> enough.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Pope
>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread David Lewis
Lol, bizarre.

Yay for Yahoo filtering.

I don't know that the forums would be moved.
I think we may just leave those as is on SF. overall I really don't see a
need to transition absolutely everything over to github from source forge,
just primarily the code base and the website. And also probably the ticket
tracker to GitHub issues.

I don't really see a need to abandon SF entirely.

David


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 9:26 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
> win...@genial.ms wrote:
> > I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but
> it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the
> other stuff is still on SF?
>
> Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
> at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
> problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.
>
> > Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on
> GitHub?
>
> That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
> permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:
>
> Your website is currently hosted at
> http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4
>
> To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x,
> click the button below.
> There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You may
> switch back if needed.
>
> I propose to click the button.  There is also some interesting stuff about
> github connections which I have yet to read.  More soon.
>
>
> And in the special D Blakeley section:-):  Blake, yahoo is not
> accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:
>
> This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.
>
> THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.
>
> YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.
>
> Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.
>
>   
>
> The reason for the problem:
> 4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04]
> Messages from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints -
> 4.16.55.1; see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'
>
> Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
> awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn't, I am guessing the problem
> is at your end.  Now we just need someone to quote this email so Blake
> sees it.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Pope
>
> [1] "New" as in "added since I last looked around about a year ago"
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread Michael T. Pope
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:19:14 +0100
win...@genial.ms wrote:
> I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's 
> kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other 
> stuff is still on SF? 

Quite so.  I wish people who want to move stuff around would
at the very least come up with a plan that includes the hard
problems, like how to move the forums.  The website is easy.

> Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on GitHub?

That is a timely remark.  Yesterday while I was trying to work out who has
permission to update the SF website I came across something new[1]:

Your website is currently hosted at
http://freecol.sourceforge.net with PHP 5.4

To update to https://freecol.sourceforge.io and PHP 7.x, click 
the button below.
There will be a small delay for it to take effect. You may 
switch back if needed.

I propose to click the button.  There is also some interesting stuff about
github connections which I have yet to read.  More soon.


And in the special D Blakeley section:-):  Blake, yahoo is not
accepting mail from my ISP, who are sending me messages like:

This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE.

Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed.

  

The reason for the problem:
4.3.2 - Not accepting messages at this time 421-'4.7.0 [TSS04] Messages 
from 150.101.137.19 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.55.1; 
see https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN3434.html'

Given that I am with internode who have won a bunch of customer service
awards, and you are with yahoo, who... hasn't, I am guessing the problem
is at your end.  Now we just need someone to quote this email so Blake sees it.

Cheers,
Mike Pope

[1] "New" as in "added since I last looked around about a year ago"


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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread David Lewis
Yeah, I can do that. I did it before to split the website out.

I'm pretty sure the GitHub pages are HTTPS by default since it became a
broad requirement from browsers. That said, do you think there's any
features in the newer version of Jekyll that we'd?

We can always try it first and determine if it would be advantageous to
switch. I've used it before with good results, and a lot of companies have
started using that for their OSS project sites. I don't know any of the
details behind the DNS though, so who knows what that will mean. 🤷‍♂️

David

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 2:19 PM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's
> kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other
> stuff is still on SF? That could get difficult, I never knew whom of the
> inactive people controls the domain and possibly the donation thing to pay
> for it.
> Btw., the SF webserver might be slower, but it's a bit more flexible. On
> GitHub you have to use only the version and plugins of Jekyll they provide
> and they are still on 3.8.5: https://pages.github.com/versions/
> Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on
> GitHub?
>
> Anyway, we should start with spliting off the repository. Do you have
> experience with "git filter-branch"? That'd be the best way to get a
> website repository with complete history. If you don't, I'd try my luck on
> it, but no promises.
>
> Greetings
>
> wintertime
>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 02. Januar 2020 um 21:26 Uhr
> *Von:* "David Lewis" 
> *An:* win...@genial.ms
> *Cc:* "D Blakeley" , "FreeCol Developers" <
> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
> Hey Winter, you might have sent it earlier, but can you send a link to the
> new repo for the website, or merge your changes into the website repo on
> Github?
> or we could fork it... however you think best.
>
> https://github.com/FreeCol/www.freecol.org
>
> We can activate Github Pages for that repo and set it to the master
> branch... I set you as owner, so you should be able to configure that. once
> that's done and it looks good, we could transfer the DNS over to Github for
> "freecol.org"
>
> -- David
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:24 AM  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I guess, Mikes response got into your spam folder or even deleted by your
>> mail provider.
>> I would go into the mailing list settings and let it always send you a
>> copy, even when someone sent you one directly.
>>
>> SF forums, bugtracker, wiki, news items are all Markdown. GitHub also
>> uses it everywhere. Thats why I thought it's nice to allow it on the
>> website, too.
>>
>> I changed enough for today, so I just uploaded the new Jekyll-generated
>> HTML5 version of the website to the server.
>> Please, take a look on it!
>>
>> I'd like to improve the main menu at left next, as it's missing some
>> pages and some are difficult to find.
>> Then there is some simplifications on the layouts and css to do.
>> I'd also like to know what you think about the current website code and
>> where you think more changes are necessary.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> wintertime
>>
>>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 02. Januar 2020 um 12:41 Uhr
>> *Von:* "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" <
>> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> *An:* "Michael T. Pope" , "David Lewis" <
>> highwayofl...@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
>> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>>
>> That's weird. I never got Mike's response to me (direct or via dev mail
>> list), not even in my spam folder. Glad you left his reply to me in your
>> reply Dave otherwise I would never have seen it!
>>
>> Didn't know what Markdown was so I googled it and it sounds like the
>> 'text box' you get on a forum (or on wordpress) that has a few word doc
>> like controls (font stuff, paragraph stuff, insert table/image/video etc)
>> and the option to switch view to the html code behind it. If that's the
>> case (forgive me its hard to imagine without some pictures haha) then yeah,
>> no probs I'll be fine haha! And if the backend stuff is still full of html
>> then I should be able to even tinker with that a bit every now and then
>> when needed (if the frontend isn't giving me the level of customization I
>> need). Oh well I guess I'll wai

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread winter
Hi,

 

I was anticipating of moving the website over to GitHub someday, but it's kinda surprising you'd like to move over the domain so fast when the other stuff is still on SF? That could get difficult, I never knew whom of the inactive people controls the domain and possibly the donation thing to pay for it.

Btw., the SF webserver might be slower, but it's a bit more flexible. On GitHub you have to use only the version and plugins of Jekyll they provide and they are still on 3.8.5: https://pages.github.com/versions/


Would it be easier to get https support for the freecol.org domain on GitHub?

 

Anyway, we should start with spliting off the repository. Do you have experience with "git filter-branch"? That'd be the best way to get a website repository with complete history. If you don't, I'd try my luck on it, but no promises.

 

Greetings

 

wintertime

 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Januar 2020 um 21:26 Uhr
Von: "David Lewis" 
An: win...@genial.ms
Cc: "D Blakeley" , "FreeCol Developers" 
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes


Hey Winter, you might have sent it earlier, but can you send a link to the new repo for the website, or merge your changes into the website repo on Github?
or we could fork it... however you think best.

https://github.com/FreeCol/www.freecol.org

We can activate Github Pages for that repo and set it to the master branch... I set you as owner, so you should be able to configure that. once that's done and it looks good, we could transfer the DNS over to Github for "freecol.org"

 

-- David

 


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:24 AM <win...@genial.ms> wrote:




Hi,

 

I guess, Mikes response got into your spam folder or even deleted by your mail provider.

I would go into the mailing list settings and let it always send you a copy, even when someone sent you one directly.

 

SF forums, bugtracker, wiki, news items are all Markdown. GitHub also uses it everywhere. Thats why I thought it's nice to allow it on the website, too.

 

I changed enough for today, so I just uploaded the new Jekyll-generated HTML5 version of the website to the server.

Please, take a look on it!


I'd like to improve the main menu at left next, as it's missing some pages and some are difficult to find.

Then there is some simplifications on the layouts and css to do.


I'd also like to know what you think about the current website code and where you think more changes are necessary.

 

Greetings

 

wintertime


 
 

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Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
An: "Michael T. Pope" <mp...@computer.org>, "David Lewis" <highwayofl...@gmail.com>
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
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That's weird. I never got Mike's response to me (direct or via dev mail list), not even in my spam folder. Glad you left his reply to me in your reply Dave otherwise I would never have seen it!

 

Didn't know what Markdown was so I googled it and it sounds like the 'text box' you get on a forum (or on wordpress) that has a few word doc like controls (font stuff, paragraph stuff, insert table/image/video etc) and the option to switch view to the html code behind it. If that's the case (forgive me its hard to imagine without some pictures haha) then yeah, no probs I'll be fine haha! And if the backend stuff is still full of html then I should be able to even tinker with that a bit every now and then when needed (if the frontend isn't giving me the level of customization I need). Oh well I guess I'll wait until Winter's a bit further along with development and he's ready for me to try tinkering with stuff and I'll try and make some cool stuff for the site then. I'm buried in a few other projects at the moment anyway.

 

> I'll try my access when I get to a computer, I haven't tried yet.

 

Yeah that's what I thought was weird when you had those troubles Dave, if you have admin access to the sf project source files etc then surely editing some simple text boxes on the sf project front page shouldn't be locked out to you. If you were trying on phone maybe that was why it was being weird. Since you're copying and pasting clumps of text & links I've put together in the forum it's prob easier for you to do on comp anyway mate.

 

Regards

 

Blake

 














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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread David Lewis
Hey Winter, you might have sent it earlier, but can you send a link to the
new repo for the website, or merge your changes into the website repo on
Github?
or we could fork it... however you think best.

https://github.com/FreeCol/www.freecol.org

We can activate Github Pages for that repo and set it to the master
branch... I set you as owner, so you should be able to configure that. once
that's done and it looks good, we could transfer the DNS over to Github for
"freecol.org"

-- David

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 10:24 AM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I guess, Mikes response got into your spam folder or even deleted by your
> mail provider.
> I would go into the mailing list settings and let it always send you a
> copy, even when someone sent you one directly.
>
> SF forums, bugtracker, wiki, news items are all Markdown. GitHub also uses
> it everywhere. Thats why I thought it's nice to allow it on the website,
> too.
>
> I changed enough for today, so I just uploaded the new Jekyll-generated
> HTML5 version of the website to the server.
> Please, take a look on it!
>
> I'd like to improve the main menu at left next, as it's missing some pages
> and some are difficult to find.
> Then there is some simplifications on the layouts and css to do.
> I'd also like to know what you think about the current website code and
> where you think more changes are necessary.
>
> Greetings
>
> wintertime
>
>
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 02. Januar 2020 um 12:41 Uhr
> *Von:* "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" <
> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *An:* "Michael T. Pope" , "David Lewis" <
> highwayofl...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* "FreeCol Developers" 
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>
> That's weird. I never got Mike's response to me (direct or via dev mail
> list), not even in my spam folder. Glad you left his reply to me in your
> reply Dave otherwise I would never have seen it!
>
> Didn't know what Markdown was so I googled it and it sounds like the 'text
> box' you get on a forum (or on wordpress) that has a few word doc like
> controls (font stuff, paragraph stuff, insert table/image/video etc) and
> the option to switch view to the html code behind it. If that's the case
> (forgive me its hard to imagine without some pictures haha) then yeah, no
> probs I'll be fine haha! And if the backend stuff is still full of html
> then I should be able to even tinker with that a bit every now and then
> when needed (if the frontend isn't giving me the level of customization I
> need). Oh well I guess I'll wait until Winter's a bit further along with
> development and he's ready for me to try tinkering with stuff and I'll try
> and make some cool stuff for the site then. I'm buried in a few other
> projects at the moment anyway.
>
> *> I'll try my access when I get to a computer, I haven't tried yet.*
>
> Yeah that's what I thought was weird when you had those troubles Dave, if
> you have admin access to the sf project source files etc then surely
> editing some simple text boxes on the sf project front page shouldn't be
> locked out to you. If you were trying on phone maybe that was why it was
> being weird. Since you're copying and pasting clumps of text & links I've
> put together in the forum it's prob easier for you to do on comp anyway
> mate.
>
> Regards
>
> Blake
>
>
>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread winter
Hi,

 

I guess, Mikes response got into your spam folder or even deleted by your mail provider.

I would go into the mailing list settings and let it always send you a copy, even when someone sent you one directly.

 

SF forums, bugtracker, wiki, news items are all Markdown. GitHub also uses it everywhere. Thats why I thought it's nice to allow it on the website, too.

 

I changed enough for today, so I just uploaded the new Jekyll-generated HTML5 version of the website to the server.

Please, take a look on it!


I'd like to improve the main menu at left next, as it's missing some pages and some are difficult to find.

Then there is some simplifications on the layouts and css to do.


I'd also like to know what you think about the current website code and where you think more changes are necessary.

 

Greetings

 

wintertime


 
 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Januar 2020 um 12:41 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" 
An: "Michael T. Pope" , "David Lewis" 
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" 
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



 

That's weird. I never got Mike's response to me (direct or via dev mail list), not even in my spam folder. Glad you left his reply to me in your reply Dave otherwise I would never have seen it!

 

Didn't know what Markdown was so I googled it and it sounds like the 'text box' you get on a forum (or on wordpress) that has a few word doc like controls (font stuff, paragraph stuff, insert table/image/video etc) and the option to switch view to the html code behind it. If that's the case (forgive me its hard to imagine without some pictures haha) then yeah, no probs I'll be fine haha! And if the backend stuff is still full of html then I should be able to even tinker with that a bit every now and then when needed (if the frontend isn't giving me the level of customization I need). Oh well I guess I'll wait until Winter's a bit further along with development and he's ready for me to try tinkering with stuff and I'll try and make some cool stuff for the site then. I'm buried in a few other projects at the moment anyway.

 

> I'll try my access when I get to a computer, I haven't tried yet.

 

Yeah that's what I thought was weird when you had those troubles Dave, if you have admin access to the sf project source files etc then surely editing some simple text boxes on the sf project front page shouldn't be locked out to you. If you were trying on phone maybe that was why it was being weird. Since you're copying and pasting clumps of text & links I've put together in the forum it's prob easier for you to do on comp anyway mate.

 

Regards

 

Blake

 






 
 


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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread D Blakeley via Freecol-developers
 That's weird. I never got Mike's response to me (direct or via dev mail list), 
not even in my spam folder. Glad you left his reply to me in your reply Dave 
otherwise I would never have seen it!
Didn't know what Markdown was so I googled it and it sounds like the 'text box' 
you get on a forum (or on wordpress) that has a few word doc like controls 
(font stuff, paragraph stuff, insert table/image/video etc) and the option to 
switch view to the html code behind it. If that's the case (forgive me its hard 
to imagine without some pictures haha) then yeah, no probs I'll be fine haha! 
And if the backend stuff is still full of html then I should be able to even 
tinker with that a bit every now and then when needed (if the frontend isn't 
giving me the level of customization I need). Oh well I guess I'll wait until 
Winter's a bit further along with development and he's ready for me to try 
tinkering with stuff and I'll try and make some cool stuff for the site then. 
I'm buried in a few other projects at the moment anyway.
> I'll try my access when I get to a computer, I haven't tried yet.
Yeah that's what I thought was weird when you had those troubles Dave, if you 
have admin access to the sf project source files etc then surely editing some 
simple text boxes on the sf project front page shouldn't be locked out to you. 
If you were trying on phone maybe that was why it was being weird. Since you're 
copying and pasting clumps of text & links I've put together in the forum it's 
prob easier for you to do on comp anyway mate.
Regards
Blake

On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 09:53:09 pm ACDT, David Lewis 
 wrote:  
 
 I would echo your sentiments about WordPress. I used to be a Drupal / WP Dev 
for Disney some years ago and I would steer very far away from the WordPress 
platform, it'll give way more problems than it's worth. Especially security 
wise.
Jekyll is probably the easiest method to come up with. It'll have the lowest 
bar for coding and maintenance. You'll find it super easy, Blake. It's more of 
a markdown formatter, so you write pages in Markdown instead of HTML. Templates 
are in HTML CSS, but most of the time you don't need to touch these unless you 
want a special customization or new feature added, but the content itself is 
just all markdown docs.
I'll try my access when I get to a computer, I haven't tried yet.
David
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 1:07 AM Michael T. Pope  wrote:

>>[Jonathan]
>> thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and 
>>styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.

This has always been the case.

>[D Blakeley]
> That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not going 
> to be something the average guy (eg me) can use...

AFAICT if you want to write content, then use of Jekyll means you have to
write in Markdown.  You are going to have to be pretty average to find
Markdown a high bar:-).

If you want to build the site you will need a working Jekyll install,
which might be trickier.

The actual upload to SF is straightforward, but you need permission.  I
have looked at the SF permissions, and remain confused.  However if
winterime is able to upload (which is good) David should have the same
permissions.  David, have you tried:

  sftp $USERNAME,free...@web.sf.net

with your SF username and credentials?


Anyway... generally with respect to the website I really do not have a
many strong opinion about how or what it looks like.  I am delighted
people are working on it again, and I am trying to help but mostly keep
out of the way.  What I do care about is that it be low maintenance
because as Jonathan rightly reminds us above, people leave.  However I do
not share Jonathan's enthusiasm for Wordpress... one CMS debacle was
enough.

Cheers,
Mike Pope


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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread David Lewis
I would echo your sentiments about WordPress. I used to be a Drupal / WP
Dev for Disney some years ago and I would steer very far away from the
WordPress platform, it'll give way more problems than it's worth.
Especially security wise.

Jekyll is probably the easiest method to come up with. It'll have the
lowest bar for coding and maintenance. You'll find it super easy, Blake.
It's more of a markdown formatter, so you write pages in Markdown instead
of HTML. Templates are in HTML CSS, but most of the time you don't need to
touch these unless you want a special customization or new feature added,
but the content itself is just all markdown docs.

I'll try my access when I get to a computer, I haven't tried yet.

David

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 1:07 AM Michael T. Pope  wrote:

> >>[Jonathan]
> >> thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and
> styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.
>
> This has always been the case.
>
> >[D Blakeley]
> > That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not
> going to be something the average guy (eg me) can use...
>
> AFAICT if you want to write content, then use of Jekyll means you have to
> write in Markdown.  You are going to have to be pretty average to find
> Markdown a high bar:-).
>
> If you want to build the site you will need a working Jekyll install,
> which might be trickier.
>
> The actual upload to SF is straightforward, but you need permission.  I
> have looked at the SF permissions, and remain confused.  However if
> winterime is able to upload (which is good) David should have the same
> permissions.  David, have you tried:
>
>   sftp $USERNAME,free...@web.sf.net
>
> with your SF username and credentials?
>
>
> Anyway... generally with respect to the website I really do not have a
> many strong opinion about how or what it looks like.  I am delighted
> people are working on it again, and I am trying to help but mostly keep
> out of the way.  What I do care about is that it be low maintenance
> because as Jonathan rightly reminds us above, people leave.  However I do
> not share Jonathan's enthusiasm for Wordpress... one CMS debacle was
> enough.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Pope
>
>
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread Michael T. Pope
>>[Jonathan]
>> thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and 
>>styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.

This has always been the case.

>[D Blakeley]
> That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not going 
> to be something the average guy (eg me) can use...

AFAICT if you want to write content, then use of Jekyll means you have to
write in Markdown.  You are going to have to be pretty average to find
Markdown a high bar:-).

If you want to build the site you will need a working Jekyll install,
which might be trickier.

The actual upload to SF is straightforward, but you need permission.  I
have looked at the SF permissions, and remain confused.  However if
winterime is able to upload (which is good) David should have the same
permissions.  David, have you tried:

  sftp $USERNAME,free...@web.sf.net

with your SF username and credentials?


Anyway... generally with respect to the website I really do not have a
many strong opinion about how or what it looks like.  I am delighted
people are working on it again, and I am trying to help but mostly keep
out of the way.  What I do care about is that it be low maintenance
because as Jonathan rightly reminds us above, people leave.  However I do
not share Jonathan's enthusiasm for Wordpress... one CMS debacle was
enough.

Cheers,
Mike Pope




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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-02 Thread winter
Hi,

 

I can assure you, the whole reason for me to introduce Jekyll is to make it easy for others to contribute, by separating code(theme) and content.

You saw the html-tag-soup we had for a while, where it's difficult to find what you need and where to add something.

The goal is to have it as easy as dropping a markdown file (like the one I attached to the mail yesterday) in the right place. Older pages will probably stay in html, but loose all the surrounding cruft, only contain the content (with a few img, ul, li, div, p, a, br) and can later be easily replaced with markdown on demand.

As we are on SF we need to type the compilation command and upload its result, but otherwise it'll be same as for the many people having GitHub pages.

 

Working on the theme will be a little more complicated, but easier than creating a WordPress theme. Still, after cleaning up all existing pages to use the template, I plan on upgrading and simplifying its html and css. Moving over to WordPress would need conversion of existing content and most likely creation of a theme, too.

 

Greetings

 

wintertime

 
 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 02. Januar 2020 um 08:18 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" 
An: "David Lewis" , "Jonathan Aquilina" 
Cc: "FreeCol Developers" 
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> thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.

 

That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not going to be something the average guy (eg me) can use which means I won't be able to help you guys move content over and do my ideas of creating new video & screenshot sections etc. Plus Winter's gonna be too busy in a few weeks & isn't going to want people pestering him about site issues plus mikes busy with other stuff (eg the game itself lol) and isn't going to want to be bothered about website stuff, but if its not easy to use that's exactly whats going to happen lol.

 

BTW Mike since your catching up on msgs don't forget this ;P

https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/42b0844f/#a702/9e85/07a6/d983/f301

 

Need your help, or need you to help David so he can help me haha

 

 

Regards

 

blake

 

 

 




On Thursday, 2 January 2020, 03:34:09 pm ACDT, Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:

 

 





That is another good option, thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.

 

 



Jonathan Aquilina



 



On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM David Lewis <highwayofl...@gmail.com> wrote:


We do have the option of using GitHub pages, which works well for Jekyll, and free for OSS. They website would be driven directly from Git and wouldn't need to worry about FTP access.
 

David

 


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On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:15:09 +0100
Jonathan Aquilina <eagles051...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting
> offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.

I too appreciate the offer, but I am reluctant to split the project over
yet more sites.  SF has its disadvantages, but we have no replacement for
the SF forums.  Meanwhile I am hopeful the new static generator will reduce
the maintenance pain in the long term.

Apologies for the slow reply, sorting out the bug list and mail backlog is
taking me a while.

Cheers,
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-01 Thread D Blakeley via Freecol-developers
 > thing is the community will need someone versed in website coding and 
 >styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue there.
That's exactly what worries me. This Jekyll thing sounds like its not going to 
be something the average guy (eg me) can use which means I won't be able to 
help you guys move content over and do my ideas of creating new video & 
screenshot sections etc. Plus Winter's gonna be too busy in a few weeks & isn't 
going to want people pestering him about site issues plus mikes busy with other 
stuff (eg the game itself lol) and isn't going to want to be bothered about 
website stuff, but if its not easy to use that's exactly whats going to happen 
lol.
BTW Mike since your catching up on msgs don't forget this 
;Phttps://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/42b0844f/#a702/9e85/07a6/d983/f301

Need your help, or need you to help David so he can help me haha

Regards
blake


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 wrote:  
 
 That is another good option, thing is the community will need someone versed 
in website coding and styling if that person leaves there is a bit of an issue 
there.


Jonathan Aquilina

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM David Lewis  wrote:

We do have the option of using GitHub pages, which works well for Jekyll, and 
free for OSS. They website would be driven directly from Git and wouldn't need 
to worry about FTP access.
David
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 8:27 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:

On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:15:09 +0100
Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting
> offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.

I too appreciate the offer, but I am reluctant to split the project over
yet more sites.  SF has its disadvantages, but we have no replacement for
the SF forums.  Meanwhile I am hopeful the new static generator will reduce
the maintenance pain in the long term.

Apologies for the slow reply, sorting out the bug list and mail backlog is
taking me a while.

Cheers,
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
That is another good option, thing is the community will need someone
versed in website coding and styling if that person leaves there is a bit
of an issue there.


Jonathan Aquilina


On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:36 AM David Lewis  wrote:

> We do have the option of using GitHub pages, which works well for Jekyll,
> and free for OSS. They website would be driven directly from Git and
> wouldn't need to worry about FTP access.
>
> David
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 8:27 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:15:09 +0100
>> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
>> > This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the
>> hosting
>> > offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.
>>
>> I too appreciate the offer, but I am reluctant to split the project over
>> yet more sites.  SF has its disadvantages, but we have no replacement for
>> the SF forums.  Meanwhile I am hopeful the new static generator will
>> reduce
>> the maintenance pain in the long term.
>>
>> Apologies for the slow reply, sorting out the bug list and mail backlog is
>> taking me a while.
>>
>> Cheers,
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-01 Thread David Lewis
We do have the option of using GitHub pages, which works well for Jekyll,
and free for OSS. They website would be driven directly from Git and
wouldn't need to worry about FTP access.

David

On Wed, Jan 1, 2020, 8:27 PM Michael T. Pope  wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:15:09 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting
> > offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.
>
> I too appreciate the offer, but I am reluctant to split the project over
> yet more sites.  SF has its disadvantages, but we have no replacement for
> the SF forums.  Meanwhile I am hopeful the new static generator will reduce
> the maintenance pain in the long term.
>
> Apologies for the slow reply, sorting out the bug list and mail backlog is
> taking me a while.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Hey Michael,

Technically with wordpress you still have the forums ability using bbpress.
Uploads can be done on my server as well, I think the biggest advantage of
moving to wordpress is that no coding know how is needed at all. simple
text editor and boom ready to go also much easier to track revisions per
page.

Jonathan Aquilina


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> On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:15:09 +0100
> Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> > This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting
> > offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.
>
> I too appreciate the offer, but I am reluctant to split the project over
> yet more sites.  SF has its disadvantages, but we have no replacement for
> the SF forums.  Meanwhile I am hopeful the new static generator will reduce
> the maintenance pain in the long term.
>
> Apologies for the slow reply, sorting out the bug list and mail backlog is
> taking me a while.
>
> Cheers,
> Mike Pope
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2020-01-01 Thread Michael T. Pope
On Sun, 29 Dec 2019 06:15:09 +0100
Jonathan Aquilina  wrote:
> This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting
> offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.

I too appreciate the offer, but I am reluctant to split the project over
yet more sites.  SF has its disadvantages, but we have no replacement for
the SF forums.  Meanwhile I am hopeful the new static generator will reduce
the maintenance pain in the long term.

Apologies for the slow reply, sorting out the bug list and mail backlog is
taking me a while.

Cheers,
Mike Pope



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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-29 Thread winter
Hi all,

 

the good news is I could actually get to the webserver files using SFTP(WinSCP).

I always assumed some extra password or admin rights would be necessary, but I just tried after finding https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Project%20Web%20Services/ page and not seeing an explanation of who actually gets access.

This allowed my to clean out some forgotten/outdated/broken files in htdocs, which were till then served on the web. It seems, only new files got uploaded, but moved or deleted files stayed on there forever.

There was/is some other stuff on the outer directory, but I did not touch it. Stian must have had his reasons for keeping these on there?


 

I'm not particularly fond of WordPress. About a year ago, I wrote a Plugin for WordPress and it felt like trying to tap into a mess of callback-spaghetti-code.

 

I've gone ahead and tried some changes using Jekyll ( https://jekyllrb.com/ ). I put these on my GitHub repo ( https://github.com/wintertime/FreeCol/tree/jekyll ), to get some feedback before I change the main repo.

To try it out you need Ruby and Jekyll, but this is really easy -- instructions for different OS are there: https://jekyllrb.com/docs/installation/

Then check out the branch,

$ cd www.freecol.org

$ jekyll serve

type 127.0.0.1:4000 in your browser.


 

Uploading the website later will be


$ cd www.freecol.org

$ jekyll build
then upload from the newly compiled _site subdirectory instead of directly.

 

I was able to simplify the news section considerably and would like to know, if you like it.

Now with a change to one file code for all news pages can be updated.

Adding a news item is just typing the text into a new .html or .md file with a small yaml header.

The other pages could be simplified in the same way and then the code much easier modernized and the website made prettier.

How do you all like it?

 

Greetings,

 

wintertime

 


Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. Dezember 2019 um 06:15 Uhr
Von: "Jonathan Aquilina" 
An: "D Blakeley" 
Cc: "Michael T. Pope" , win...@genial.ms, freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes



Hi Guys,

 

This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.

 

 



Jonathan Aquilina



 


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:15 AM D Blakeley via Freecol-developers <freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:




 

Hi guys,

 

A few things to reply to!

 

Mike:

I think Winter is after your thoughts/approval on his new site ideas. Also I have just posted at this link below, if you could spare a moment to help out a fellow Aussie I'd appreciate it thanks haha. Should be the last time I have to pester you about a big sourceforge change as this really is the last thing it needs to help your fans navigate to the right places! After this in the future it just might be a thread sticky or 2 which I can pester David about. https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/42b0844f/#a702/9e85/07a6/d983/f301

 

Winter:





> No, I do not want the website to gain even more warnings. I was hoping we could

> decide on which pages with warnings are still useful, which could be deleted.



Opps sorry I misread that part as I thought winter was referring to heavily outdated sections of the site not labeled as such. Everyone ignore what I said on that bit lol.



Jonathan:

> I would be willing to sponsor some webhosting on my shared cpanel server.

> I was thinking of setting up wordpress for the site?

 

Your later point was certainly what I was thinking as Wordpress is so darn low maintenance and easy to use and controls the annoying sorting & navigation of all the news items for you. Creating pages and posts is dead easy too as its pretty much like a word doc editing but if you want full control then you can access the html code behind the page editor too. It's also pretty good for setting up separate non-news page sections too. Eg all those project info and history pages etc could easily be copy & pasted to wordpress section pages accessed through a wordpress main menu similar to the existing sites menu options. Wordpress menu buttons also support drop down options meaning all sub sections from the old site could be easily brought across too. I use a wordpress blog for all my website news now (separate from my main website thats store elsewhere), I don't use drop down menus but if you click on either my 'Fav Fan Game Projects' or my 'What's Blake Playing Right NOW' buttons you'll be taken to wordpress hosted sections that are NOT part of the news blog. https://blakessanctum.wordpress.com/

 

Winter:


> IIRC, one problem with this was the goal to keep all parts of the project
> on a single provider (like SF or GitHub).


But yeah as winter points out I don't think they want of

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-28 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Hi Guys,

This is really up to those in charge to take the decision but the hosting
offer still stands. SF can be a huge pain in the rump though.


Jonathan Aquilina


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:15 AM D Blakeley via Freecol-developers <
freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> A few things to reply to!
>
> *Mike:*
> I think Winter is after your thoughts/approval on his new site ideas. Also
> I have just posted at this link below, if you could spare a moment to help
> out a fellow Aussie I'd appreciate it thanks haha. Should be the last time
> I have to pester you about a big sourceforge change as this really is the
> last thing it needs to help your fans navigate to the right places! After
> this in the future it just might be a thread sticky or 2 which I can pester
> David about.
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/42b0844f/#a702/9e85/07a6/d983/f301
>
> *Winter:*
> *> No, I do not want the website to gain even more warnings. I was hoping
> we could*
> *> decide on which pages with warnings are still useful, which could be
> deleted.*
>
> Opps sorry I misread that part as I thought winter was referring to
> heavily outdated sections of the site not labeled as such. Everyone ignore
> what I said on that bit lol.
>
> *Jonathan:*
>
> *> I would be willing to sponsor some webhosting on my shared cpanel
> server.*
> *> I was thinking of setting up wordpress for the site?*
>
> Your later point was certainly what I was thinking as Wordpress is so darn
> low maintenance and easy to use and controls the annoying sorting &
> navigation of all the news items for you. Creating pages and posts is dead
> easy too as its pretty much like a word doc editing but if you want full
> control then you can access the html code behind the page editor too. It's
> also pretty good for setting up separate non-news page sections too. Eg all
> those project info and history pages etc could easily be copy & pasted to
> wordpress section pages accessed through a wordpress main menu similar to
> the existing sites menu options. Wordpress menu buttons also support drop
> down options meaning all sub sections from the old site could be easily
> brought across too. I use a wordpress blog for all my website news now
> (separate from my main website thats store elsewhere), I don't use drop
> down menus but if you click on either my 'Fav Fan Game Projects' or my
> 'What's Blake Playing Right NOW' buttons you'll be taken to wordpress
> hosted sections that are NOT part of the news blog.
> https://blakessanctum.wordpress.com/
>
> *Winter:*
>
> *> IIRC, one problem with this was the goal to keep all parts of the
> project> on a single provider (like SF or GitHub).*
>
> But yeah as winter points out I don't think they want offsite hosting, as
> fully accessible public hosting is better for everyone to help out on. I'm
> not sure if a wordpress built site can be put into a SF/Github hosted area
> but if it can then I'd be all for that as I can EASILY help in all areas of
> moving content across and adding new news items etc.
>
>
> *> Yes, I always found it the right decision to stop using a CMS,
> especially*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *> when nobody can commit to updating it regularly. I only have about a
> month> before starting in my new job, not sure how much time I have then.
> That's> why my main concern is to get the website into a fixed, sustainable
> state> without need of much maintenance soon.> For that, I'd just like to
> have it in a way to not need every news 3 times> and having links updated
> automatically.> Maybe the way to get that could be static page generation
> for news articles> before uploading? We would not need anything fancy, if
> it could just find> a few magic tags in slightly modified current pages and
> add articles from> text files and generate links to the articles, it would
> be sufficient.*
>
> Well good thing I've got the next month off work because that means I can
> help you try and sort this mess out into something low maintenance before
> we both get busy again! :)
>
> And yeah if some sort of news making page can be constructed that does all
> the inserting and news list management stuff for you on the existing site
> that'd be fine too. As presumably then even someone like me could use it to
> create news if needed lol!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *> as mentioned below, I'd like to add static page generation.> I think,
> Jekyll would be nice for that:> - https://jekyllrb.com/
> > - It would make it easier to add new
> content/news.> - It allows for removing redundancies in pages.> - We could
> slowly transition page by page (maybe just> the news at first).> - It
> supports markdown (could, for example, translate
> the> cv3-discoverer-english/log.md into html after a tiny change).> - It is
> also used in GitHub Pages, so it'd be compatible> in case of a move
> there.> - It only needs a Ruby installation with the gem installed,> then
> one mo

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-28 Thread D Blakeley via Freecol-developers
 Hi guys,
A few things to reply to!
Mike:I think Winter is after your thoughts/approval on his new site ideas. Also 
I have just posted at this link below, if you could spare a moment to help out 
a fellow Aussie I'd appreciate it thanks haha. Should be the last time I have 
to pester you about a big sourceforge change as this really is the last thing 
it needs to help your fans navigate to the right places! After this in the 
future it just might be a thread sticky or 2 which I can pester David about. 
https://sourceforge.net/p/freecol/discussion/719661/thread/42b0844f/#a702/9e85/07a6/d983/f301
Winter:> No, I do not want the website to gain even more warnings. I was hoping 
we could> decide on which pages with warnings are still useful, which could be 
deleted.
Opps sorry I misread that part as I thought winter was referring to heavily 
outdated sections of the site not labeled as such. Everyone ignore what I said 
on that bit lol.
Jonathan:
> I would be willing to sponsor some webhosting on my shared cpanel server.
> I was thinking of setting up wordpress for the site?

Your later point was certainly what I was thinking as Wordpress is so darn low 
maintenance and easy to use and controls the annoying sorting & navigation of 
all the news items for you. Creating pages and posts is dead easy too as its 
pretty much like a word doc editing but if you want full control then you can 
access the html code behind the page editor too. It's also pretty good for 
setting up separate non-news page sections too. Eg all those project info and 
history pages etc could easily be copy & pasted to wordpress section pages 
accessed through a wordpress main menu similar to the existing sites menu 
options. Wordpress menu buttons also support drop down options meaning all sub 
sections from the old site could be easily brought across too. I use a 
wordpress blog for all my website news now (separate from my main website thats 
store elsewhere), I don't use drop down menus but if you click on either my 
'Fav Fan Game Projects' or my 'What's Blake Playing Right NOW' buttons you'll 
be taken to wordpress hosted sections that are NOT part of the news blog. 
https://blakessanctum.wordpress.com/
Winter:
> IIRC, one problem with this was the goal to keep all parts of the project
> on a single provider (like SF or GitHub).
But yeah as winter points out I don't think they want offsite hosting, as fully 
accessible public hosting is better for everyone to help out on. I'm not sure 
if a wordpress built site can be put into a SF/Github hosted area but if it can 
then I'd be all for that as I can EASILY help in all areas of moving content 
across and adding new news items etc.

> Yes, I always found it the right decision to stop using a CMS, especially
> when nobody can commit to updating it regularly. I only have about a month
> before starting in my new job, not sure how much time I have then. That's
> why my main concern is to get the website into a fixed, sustainable state
> without need of much maintenance soon.
> For that, I'd just like to have it in a way to not need every news 3 times
> and having links updated automatically.
> Maybe the way to get that could be static page generation for news articles
> before uploading? We would not need anything fancy, if it could just find
> a few magic tags in slightly modified current pages and add articles from
> text files and generate links to the articles, it would be sufficient.
Well good thing I've got the next month off work because that means I can help 
you try and sort this mess out into something low maintenance before we both 
get busy again! :)
And yeah if some sort of news making page can be constructed that does all the 
inserting and news list management stuff for you on the existing site that'd be 
fine too. As presumably then even someone like me could use it to create news 
if needed lol!
> as mentioned below, I'd like to add static page generation.
> I think, Jekyll would be nice for that:
> - https://jekyllrb.com/
> - It would make it easier to add new content/news.
> - It allows for removing redundancies in pages.
> - We could slowly transition page by page (maybe just
> the news at first).
> - It supports markdown (could, for example, translate the
> cv3-discoverer-english/log.md into html after a tiny change).
> - It is also used in GitHub Pages, so it'd be compatible
> in case of a move there.
> - It only needs a Ruby installation with the gem installed,
> then one more line in console/script for uploading and
> a slightly changed directory to upload from.

> I installed it here and it looks like it works for me.
> I'd just need to know beforehand, if you would approve of
> using it?
I've never heard of these guys but if they have a nice easy to use frontend 
that allows even noobs like me to create website content (eg menus, pages, 
inserting text & pictures) much like the wordpress and wix webpage builders but 
obviously also has that lovely well organised back

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-26 Thread winter
Hi,

as mentioned below, I'd like to add static page generation.

I think, Jekyll would be nice for that:
- https://jekyllrb.com/
- It would make it easier to add new content/news.
- It allows for removing redundancies in pages.
- We could slowly transition page by page (maybe just
the news at first).
- It supports markdown (could, for example, translate the
cv3-discoverer-english/log.md into html after a tiny change).
- It is also used in GitHub Pages, so it'd be compatible
in case of a move there.
- It only needs a Ruby installation with the gem installed,
then one more line in console/script for uploading and
a slightly changed directory to upload from.

I installed it here and it looks like it works for me.
I'd just need to know beforehand, if you would approve of
using it?

Greetings,

wintertime


> Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Dezember 2019 um 09:27 Uhr
> Von: win...@genial.ms
> An: "Michael T. Pope" 
> Cc: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>
> Hi,
>
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Dezember 2019 um 04:37 Uhr
> > Von: "Michael T. Pope" 
> > An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
> >
> > IIRC we used to have a Drupal setup.  Eventually it was exploited
> > (yay PHP:-P).  Due to no one being interested in fixing it or committing to
> > long term maintenance of a CMS, I argued that a simple static site made
> > most sense given our resources.  Caleb did good work on the content,
> > including ripping out a lot of CMS-isms.  My involvement has never been
> > more than trying to work out how to add the release information to the
> > CMS, and subsequently to doing uploads.  So I am pretty pleased that you
> > guys are able to put in some effort improving the website.  It is long
> > neglected.
>
> Yes, I always found it the right decision to stop using a CMS, especially
> when nobody can commit to updating it regularly. I only have about a month
> before starting in my new job, not sure how much time I have then. That's
> why my main concern is to get the website into a fixed, sustainable state
> without need of much maintenance soon.
> For that, I'd just like to have it in a way to not need every news 3 times
> and having links updated automatically.
> Maybe the way to get that could be static page generation for news articles
> before uploading? We would not need anything fancy, if it could just find
> a few magic tags in slightly modified current pages and add articles from
> text files and generate links to the articles, it would be sufficient.
>
> > I will see if I can do a blanket upload from sf git shortly.  I think the
> > upload script is "clever" and tries to upload what has changed.  It may
> > well be being too clever.
>
> Thank you, that'd be nice. Please, also look if there is other garbage
> on server, for example, bugtracker directory.
>
>
> @Jonathan: Thank you, for the offer. I think, that would be on Mike to
> decide, as I can not commit to long term maintenance of the website.
> IIRC, one problem with this was the goal to keep all parts of the project
> on a single provider (like SF or GitHub).
>
>
> Greetings
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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-24 Thread winter
Hi,

> Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Dezember 2019 um 04:37 Uhr
> Von: "Michael T. Pope" 
> An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>
> IIRC we used to have a Drupal setup.  Eventually it was exploited
> (yay PHP:-P).  Due to no one being interested in fixing it or committing to
> long term maintenance of a CMS, I argued that a simple static site made
> most sense given our resources.  Caleb did good work on the content,
> including ripping out a lot of CMS-isms.  My involvement has never been
> more than trying to work out how to add the release information to the
> CMS, and subsequently to doing uploads.  So I am pretty pleased that you
> guys are able to put in some effort improving the website.  It is long
> neglected.

Yes, I always found it the right decision to stop using a CMS, especially
when nobody can commit to updating it regularly. I only have about a month
before starting in my new job, not sure how much time I have then. That's
why my main concern is to get the website into a fixed, sustainable state
without need of much maintenance soon.
For that, I'd just like to have it in a way to not need every news 3 times
and having links updated automatically.
Maybe the way to get that could be static page generation for news articles
before uploading? We would not need anything fancy, if it could just find
a few magic tags in slightly modified current pages and add articles from
text files and generate links to the articles, it would be sufficient.

> I will see if I can do a blanket upload from sf git shortly.  I think the
> upload script is "clever" and tries to upload what has changed.  It may
> well be being too clever.

Thank you, that'd be nice. Please, also look if there is other garbage
on server, for example, bugtracker directory.


@Jonathan: Thank you, for the offer. I think, that would be on Mike to
decide, as I can not commit to long term maintenance of the website.
IIRC, one problem with this was the goal to keep all parts of the project
on a single provider (like SF or GitHub).


Greetings

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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-23 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Hi Guys,

I am not sure if you guys are up for a revamp but I would be willing to
sponsor some webhosting on my shared cpanel server. It is kept secure and
up to date, any ip's trying to brute force it are blocked at the firewall.
I was thinking of setting up wordpress for the site? What do you guys think?

Jonathan Aquilina


On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:52 PM  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> yes I wrote these mostly to gather feedback from others, maybe Caleb, as
> he did the
> website stuff previously
> .
> No, I do not want the website to gain even more warnings. I was hoping we
> could
> decide on which pages with warnings are still useful, which could be
> deleted.
>
> Besides, I know all changes are in sf git, that is why I think it's a
> glitch in the update script.
> If I had ftp access, I'd probably just put the newest version there
> manually and look around
> for the broken remains I mentioned earlier (which I also suspect coming
> from the upload
> script being glitched).
>
> I pretty much do not even know what is available to us on the server.
> I only remember from reading previous discussions on mailing list, it is
> not wanted to upload
> any CMS or maybe even any server side programs at all, anymore, for
> security reasons.
> Now, pretty much everyone doesn't like having to add a new news article to
> 3 pages and
> then hunt around for links in need of updating. I'm sure this contributed
> to the bitrotting.
> I also would not like doing everything client side, as I feel everyone
> should be able to
> read a mostly static website without JavaScript enabled, but that would be
> necessary,
> if it can not be done server side.
> Only remaining solution is cutting out the list pages, copy over the
> sitemap and shorten it,
> to only have each news items text in a single page. I never liked
> pagination as a website user
> anyways.
> I also thought about letting it be in current form, now that I fixed all
> broken links and other stuff.
> This just encourages new brokenness developing again over time.
>
> Greetings,
>
> wintertime
>
> *Gesendet:* Montag, 23. Dezember 2019 um 11:19 Uhr
> *Von:* "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" <
> freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *An:* freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Betreff:* Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes
>
> Thanks Winter I'm looking forward to see all these changes you've been
> busy on. As discussed in the forums something has gone wrong between sf &
> github as when mike did the update some changes went on to the live site
> but some didn't.
>
> *> - www.freecol.org/bugtracker <http://www.freecol.org/bugtracker>
> contains broken remains not inside git,*
> *> maybe same for www.freecol.org/featuretracker
> <http://www.freecol.org/featuretracker> or other directories.*
> *> Needs checking with ftp access?*
> *> - Some older news items (I think 0.9.4 and older) contain broken*
> *> bugtracker and featuretracker links, I do not have a replacement for.*
> *> Are these still accessible somewhere in bugtracker or as changelogs?*
> *> - Maybe fix the stuff in cv3-discoverer-english to be an actual,*
> *> accessible html page?*
> *> - Maybe look through docs, templates, images and create-new-article*
> *> directories for things to update or delete?*
> *> - [Maybe convert the xhtml1.0 transitional to html5?]*
>
> Unfortunately I'm no help to you with these ones as they are beyond my
> skill sets and/or they require intimate knowledge of the sites workings and
> history. But I'm guessing you were more after feedback from Mike and the
> others on these anyway.
>
> *> - [Maybe clean up the div-soup and table-soup everywhere?]*
> *> - [Maybe make the website prettier somehow?]*
>
> These ones I may be able to help you with, but with help and guidance. Eg
> you guys overhaul one section, show it to me and then I attempt to
> replicate the improvements across other sections.
> And yes even with notepadd++ I struggled in that endless sea of broken
> divs and tables. It's a such a mess you just get lost in it all!
>
> *> - Maybe update some pages with warnings about the being outdated or*
> *> move or delete?*
>
> There's already a couple of outdated content warnings in yellow boxes on
> some old pages of the site so just tell me which pages need the out of date
> disclaimer and I'll just copy and paste a similar yellow box msg into them
> all if you guys don't wish to delete. Easy! :)
>
> *> - Maybe add some new content?*
> *> - When all is done, add news about website update.*
> Now these I can be a BIG help to you 

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-23 Thread Michael T. Pope
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:38:17 +0100
win...@genial.ms wrote:
> I pretty much do not even know what is available to us on the server.
> I only remember from reading previous discussions on mailing list, it is not 
> wanted to upload
> any CMS or maybe even any server side programs at all, anymore, for security 
> reasons.

IIRC we used to have a Drupal setup.  Eventually it was exploited
(yay PHP:-P).  Due to no one being interested in fixing it or committing to
long term maintenance of a CMS, I argued that a simple static site made
most sense given our resources.  Caleb did good work on the content,
including ripping out a lot of CMS-isms.  My involvement has never been
more than trying to work out how to add the release information to the
CMS, and subsequently to doing uploads.  So I am pretty pleased that you
guys are able to put in some effort improving the website.  It is long
neglected.

I will see if I can do a blanket upload from sf git shortly.  I think the
upload script is "clever" and tries to upload what has changed.  It may
well be being too clever.

Cheers,
Mike Pope


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Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-23 Thread winter
Hi,

 

yes I wrote these mostly to gather feedback from others, maybe Caleb, as he did the

website stuff previously

.

No, I do not want the website to gain even more warnings. I was hoping we could

decide on which pages with warnings are still useful, which could be deleted.

 

Besides, I know all changes are in sf git, that is why I think it's a glitch in the update script.

If I had ftp access, I'd probably just put the newest version there manually and look around

for the broken remains I mentioned earlier (which I also suspect coming from the upload

script being glitched).

 

I pretty much do not even know what is available to us on the server.

I only remember from reading previous discussions on mailing list, it is not wanted to upload

any CMS or maybe even any server side programs at all, anymore, for security reasons.

Now, pretty much everyone doesn't like having to add a new news article to 3 pages and

then hunt around for links in need of updating. I'm sure this contributed to the bitrotting.

I also would not like doing everything client side, as I feel everyone should be able to

read a mostly static website without _javascript_ enabled, but that would be necessary,

if it can not be done server side.

Only remaining solution is cutting out the list pages, copy over the sitemap and shorten it,

to only have each news items text in a single page. I never liked pagination as a website user

anyways.

I also thought about letting it be in current form, now that I fixed all broken links and other stuff.

This just encourages new brokenness developing again over time.


 

Greetings,

 

wintertime

 

Gesendet: Montag, 23. Dezember 2019 um 11:19 Uhr
Von: "D Blakeley via Freecol-developers" 
An: freecol-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes





 

Thanks Winter I'm looking forward to see all these changes you've been busy on. As discussed in the forums something has gone wrong between sf & github as when mike did the update some changes went on to the live site but some didn't. 

 



> - www.freecol.org/bugtracker contains broken remains not inside git,

> maybe same for www.freecol.org/featuretracker or other directories.

> Needs checking with ftp access?

> - Some older news items (I think 0.9.4 and older) contain broken

> bugtracker and featuretracker links, I do not have a replacement for.

> Are these still accessible somewhere in bugtracker or as changelogs?

> - Maybe fix the stuff in cv3-discoverer-english to be an actual,

> accessible html page?



> - Maybe look through docs, templates, images and create-new-article

> directories for things to update or delete?

> - [Maybe convert the xhtml1.0 transitional to html5?]

 

Unfortunately I'm no help to you with these ones as they are beyond my skill sets and/or they require intimate knowledge of the sites workings and history. But I'm guessing you were more after feedback from Mike and the others on these anyway.

 

> - [Maybe clean up the div-soup and table-soup everywhere?]



> - [Maybe make the website prettier somehow?]

 

These ones I may be able to help you with, but with help and guidance. Eg you guys overhaul one section, show it to me and then I attempt to replicate the improvements across other sections.

And yes even with notepadd++ I struggled in that endless sea of broken divs and tables. It's a such a mess you just get lost in it all!

 

> - Maybe update some pages with warnings about the being outdated or

> move or delete?

 

There's already a couple of outdated content warnings in yellow boxes on some old pages of the site so just tell me which pages need the out of date disclaimer and I'll just copy and paste a similar yellow box msg into them all if you guys don't wish to delete. Easy! :)

 

> - Maybe add some new content?

> - When all is done, add news about website update.



Now these I can be a BIG help to you guys on and I've got a few ideas I've probably already mentioned before. Best of all I can pretty much do some of them myself without bothering you guys every 5 minutes.

 

The current screenshots section is DISMAL.. the newest pics are from version 7.0 for christ sake lol, it really undersells your game as you've made numerous engine and terrain improvements since those pics. So I'm thinking I can update more-screenshots.html with some of those HD pictures I made and showed you guys before at imgur.com/a/lBEsMJB (I'm thinking I might take a new HD screenshot with the classic wooden mod interface turned on just for people who like the old one too) and put them above the old 7.0 pics in a new 12.0 pre-release test images section. Then update the main screenshots.html file to use some of these new pics too. I'm guessing you'd rather onsite hosting instead of offsite so I can upload 

Re: [Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-23 Thread D Blakeley via Freecol-developers
 Thanks Winter I'm looking forward to see all these changes you've been busy 
on. As discussed in the forums something has gone wrong between sf & github as 
when mike did the update some changes went on to the live site but some didn't. 
> - www.freecol.org/bugtracker contains broken remains not inside git,
> maybe same for www.freecol.org/featuretracker or other directories.
> Needs checking with ftp access?
> - Some older news items (I think 0.9.4 and older) contain broken
> bugtracker and featuretracker links, I do not have a replacement for.
> Are these still accessible somewhere in bugtracker or as changelogs?
> - Maybe fix the stuff in cv3-discoverer-english to be an actual,
> accessible html page?> - Maybe look through docs, templates, images and 
>create-new-article
> directories for things to update or delete?> - [Maybe convert the xhtml1.0 
>transitional to html5?]

Unfortunately I'm no help to you with these ones as they are beyond my skill 
sets and/or they require intimate knowledge of the sites workings and history. 
But I'm guessing you were more after feedback from Mike and the others on these 
anyway.
> - [Maybe clean up the div-soup and table-soup everywhere?]
> - [Maybe make the website prettier somehow?]

These ones I may be able to help you with, but with help and guidance. Eg you 
guys overhaul one section, show it to me and then I attempt to replicate the 
improvements across other sections.And yes even with notepadd++ I struggled in 
that endless sea of broken divs and tables. It's a such a mess you just get 
lost in it all!
> - Maybe update some pages with warnings about the being outdated or
> move or delete?

There's already a couple of outdated content warnings in yellow boxes on some 
old pages of the site so just tell me which pages need the out of date 
disclaimer and I'll just copy and paste a similar yellow box msg into them all 
if you guys don't wish to delete. Easy! :)

> - Maybe add some new content?
> - When all is done, add news about website update.

Now these I can be a BIG help to you guys on and I've got a few ideas I've 
probably already mentioned before. Best of all I can pretty much do some of 
them myself without bothering you guys every 5 minutes.
The current screenshots section is DISMAL.. the newest pics are from version 
7.0 for christ sake lol, it really undersells your game as you've made numerous 
engine and terrain improvements since those pics. So I'm thinking I can update 
more-screenshots.html with some of those HD pictures I made and showed you guys 
before at imgur.com/a/lBEsMJB (I'm thinking I might take a new HD screenshot 
with the classic wooden mod interface turned on just for people who like the 
old one too) and put them above the old 7.0 pics in a new 12.0 pre-release test 
images section. Then update the main screenshots.html file to use some of these 
new pics too. I'm guessing you'd rather onsite hosting instead of offsite so I 
can upload my pngs to your github website images folder for usage.
I also want to add a new videos.html page that its laid out similar to the 
screenshots page and lists all found videos and mentions the version number 
used for the recording. There's a whole bunch of videos on youtube from people 
made over the years can can be used to show off your game and of course I've 
got my much newer HD freecol tour video currently sitting on ice on my computer 
ready to be uploaded to youtube once I've made some final changes and fixes to 
it. I was originally thinking that we rename screenshots in the main menu to 
'media' but realised that your main menu code is duplicates across every single 
page on the site which would be not so much fun to change lol. So I'm thinking 
I simply add the new videos page as a subsection of the current screenshots 
section and then all I have to do is change the menu in all the screenshot 
subsection html pages (more-screenshots, ar-units, art-icons, art-colonies) to 
include the videos page. Then I can also change the main screenshots.html page 
to talk about the videos section so that the moment anyone anywhere on the site 
clicks on screenshots they'll be taken to that page and see very quickly that 
there is a videos subsection just like there is currently a more screenshots 
subsection.

"new HD videos and screenshots added to site" can even be a separate news item 
to winters suggested website update news post as the more news we can think of 
(to make the place look more active) the better lol!
Winter I'm guessing you're going with the onsite simplified news plan? Despite 
the recent live site updating issues I can see you've changed a number of news 
items have "read more" button which is cool. Although I'd strongly recommend we 
change the title of the article to be a link as as well since that's how the 
vast majority of blog & news sites work. You can either hit a read more button 
or click on the main heading itself to load the full article. eg "Nightly 
Releases Now Onli

[Freecol-developers] Website fixes

2019-12-15 Thread winter
Hi,

I fixed most remaining broken things on the website now, but removed
some broken stuff, like rss feeds.

There is still a few problems remaining:
- www.freecol.org/bugtracker contains broken remains not inside git,
maybe same for www.freecol.org/featuretracker or other directories.
Needs checking with ftp access?
- Some older news items (I think 0.9.4 and older) contain broken
bugtracker and featuretracker links, I do not have a replacement for.
Are these still accessible somewhere in bugtracker or as changelogs?
- Maybe fix the stuff in cv3-discoverer-english to be an actual,
accessible html page?
- Maybe look through docs, templates, images and create-new-article
directories for things to update or delete?
- Maybe update some pages with warnings about the being outdated or
move or delete?
- Maybe add some new content?
- [Maybe convert the xhtml1.0 transitional to html5?]
- [Maybe clean up the div-soup and table-soup everywhere?]
- [Maybe make the website prettier somehow?]
- When all is done, add news about website update.

If you have time and comments on above questions, please do!

Greetings,

wintertime



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