Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put PG binaries online

2004-02-16 Thread tom ehlert
Hello maintainer,

 PS: I would like to have some PG binaries online,
 too. If nobody else wants
 to provide some, I could do so, but I am not sure if
 BAHCL is okay with this!?
 

mf those PG binaries will be covered by the GNU GPL
mf version 2, and will have a link to the PG website.

there's nothing in the GPL that requires a link to your website.

If for some idiotic reasons you don't provide a binary, you have to
live with some other people, distibuting the binaries, and not
pointing to you (as long as they give you a chance to get the source
as well)

tom




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[Freedos-devel] Please mirror the ODIN.720 image - to be removed

2004-02-16 Thread Luchezar Georgiev
Hello,

Let me remind that the first 720 KB ODIN image I uploaded at http://linux.tu-varna.acad.bg/~lig/freedos/ODIN.720 wouldn't work on 8086/88 processors but required at least a NEC V20 or 80186/188 because I forgot the --8086 UPX option when compressing the files there. So I re-created it, this time using the --8086 UPX option, re-uploaded it at the same place and it then has proven to work for an 80C88 user. Steve, please mirror this image, because in a couple of days I'm going to remove it from the server to free some room for the beginning semester in the university. This removal will be made silently and without any further notice. Sorry and thanks for understanding!

Lucho

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[Freedos-devel] Last Hello!

2004-02-16 Thread ?
Fuck you all, donkeys, asses, bitchs and curs!
Please sorry for my bad knowing of the english language...
Go all you to the devil mothers, and wake for ever accursed that you have vote 
against including my programs in FreeDOS new distribution program! Let on you all 
together take descendet all curses, which were ever pronounce on the Earth! Fuck you 
all! Donkeys! Kissing to itself ess! Fuck you all, asses! Fuck you all! Bitchs and 
curs! Fuck you all! Fucked donkeys, asses, bitchs and curs! Do you fuck out? Fuck in 
now! Do you fuck in? Fuck out now! Immediately forget me! I you order, off-standard 
works! Curred scums, wipe my address and all, that although is somehow connected with 
me, forget and wipe for ever!
Further follow curses in russian. Be Not torture their translate, because all 
attempts to translate them on english will fail.
!   
  !
: ,  FreeDOS?  
!!  
!  !  !! 
  ! : ? ?  
 ! , ... !   ,
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  ?!

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Re: [Freedos-devel] compiling Freedos

2004-02-16 Thread Steffen Kaiser
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Luchezar Georgiev wrote:

  I'm not sure if this has been answered before, but is it beter to
  compile the kernel  freecom under borland c or djgpp?

 About FreeCOM: Let its author answer (he knows much better than me ;-)

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/freedos/freecom/docs/compile.txt?rev=1.11only_with_tag=MAINview=auto

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[Freedos-devel] re: Last Hello!

2004-02-16 Thread Eric Auer


Hi all, if you have been wondering why and why curses us:
It is Sandul Yura who has offered us 6 FreePascal and 25 Q-Basic
programs on first of November. We had the problem that there is
no Q-Basic for FreeDOS but I do not remember what was wrong with
the Pascal programs.
Programs were: ANSI sequences editor and viewer, Basic interpreter,
com - exe converter, file splitter, com to bat/bas (?), crc32,
des, dialog system, text editor, data / hex file converter, line
break normalizer, phone book, picture editor, utility (all-in-one
calculator, calendar, screen saver, ukrainian/russian stuff), square
root demo, uuencode/uudecode, a Basic interpreter written in Pascal,
FreePascal text editor (32bit). And finally in C: exe - com converter,
text viewer with ANSI interpreter, color editor, a file/fcb library,
a sketch of a C compiler.

I do not know why none of them made it into the FreeDOS distro. I think
the Basic interpreter written in Pascal and the text editors and com - exe
are interesting, and for those who do have a good Basic interpreter (do not
know how good the ones by Sandul are) the pile of other Basic things is worth
looking at. Nothing for the BASE category but things for the EDITOR and TOOLS
and COMPILERS category. Maybe Sandul only checked beta9rc4 which only contains
BASE packages.



 ... Go all you to the devil mothers, and wake for ever accursed that you have
 vote against including my programs in FreeDOS new distribution program!

By the way: I do not remember a voting process but even then: Democracy can
suck if people vote against you. Shit happens. But who knows, maybe people do
vote for some of your programs now and just overlooked them completely in 2003.
Not that your politeness would improve your software's popularity, though.

Eric.



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Re: [Freedos-devel] drive detection problems using atapicdd

2004-02-16 Thread Arkady V.Belousov
Hi!

15--2004 14:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hall) wrote to
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 KJD please run atapichk.exe from
  More precise URL, please.
JH Binary is here:

 Thank you, I already sent report to Keneth.




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[Freedos-devel] PG 1.08 binary online

2004-02-16 Thread Eric Auer

Hi, I re-packaged PG 1.08 in FreeDOS package style (standard directory
tree) and added a binary. Please check my changes to PG.MAK and PG.H to
make this possible. In particular, I removed the pathspec for the plugin
and manpage directories. Bad thing, because functions will just fail
SILENTLY if plugins and/or pg.man are not found!
I recommend that PG 1.09 should assume that the plugins are in PATH
and that the pg.man file is in the same directory as the pg,exe binary
- both of those can be detected at run-time dynamically. Note that some
functions like hex view are case sensitive (you press H, not h).
My current solution is just to comment out the pathspecs, so plugins
and help work only if they are in the current directory when you run PG!

Eric.

 http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/stuff/soft/by-others/ pg108x.zip

PS: I used UPX --8086 to shrink the binary from 19k to 12k (not the
plugins, they are  1k anyway... could be made PART of the binary, less files!)



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Re: [Freedos-devel] Re:Eric's idea to put PG binaries online

2004-02-16 Thread Jim Hall
Luchezar Georgiev wrote:
Hi,

This written offer requirement is really scaring indeed. Does the GPL 
say that it must be signed and stamped by a notary? Or passed through 
the United Nations Security Council? ;-)

Just joking, of course - please don't take the above sentences seriously!
:-)

BTW, email written offer is fine.


But including the source with the binaries would be preferable.
Of course, and even better - the binaries with the source! ;-)

Perhaps BAHCL would accept the binaries, and post them on his site?
Indeed, I can't understand why he doesn't want to include binaries?
Well, I've sometimes done that in the past, too, so I can't be too 
critical of BAHCL.  Binaries aren't strictly required by the GNU GPL, 
and if web space is a problem, I can understand not including them.

-jh



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[Freedos-devel] Microsoft source code

2004-02-16 Thread Jim Hall
I hope I don't start a flame war on this.

Thought I'd fwd this note that I found on the Groklaw site, usually a 
good resource for legal issues dealing with Free and Open Source Software.

You've probably all seen by now that (part of) the source code to 
Microsoft's WindowsNT and Windows2000 has been leaked.  If you do a P2P 
search, you can probably find it.  However, it would be a good idea if 
you contribute to FreeDOS to *not* look at the Windows source code, or 
even download it.

The note from Groklaw:

http://www.groklaw.net/
Original Article:You probably heard that Slashdot has a story that there may have been a massive leak of code from Windows 2000 and NT. Microsoft denies it.

Groklaw normally doesn't report rumors, but in this case, it seems appropriate to say something early. If there is such a leak, I hope nobody looks at this code. Not one peek.

Here's why, taken from Franklin Pierce's Copyright for Computer Authors by Thomas G. Field, Jr. on avoiding copyright infringement:

As discussed earlier, copyright gives owners the exclusive right, for example, to reproduce protected subject matter (such things as ideas and facts being excluded). Sometimes a question arises as to whether a second, similar work was copied or independently created. If the person creating a second work had access to the original work and the works are virtually identical, copying is likely to be presumed even if the chance of access is remote. 

Anyone looking at this code could bring to an end any opportunity to contribute to FOSS [Free and Open Source Software  -jh] software in the future. 


We've actually addressed this issue before.  Some years ago, the source 
code to MS-DOS was leaked.  For a while, I would get about an email a 
week from people (who probably thought they were being helpful) asking 
if I wanted access to the Microsoft code.  I have always said no, 
because having access to the MS-DOS source code could compromise my work 
in FreeDOS.  We have a FAQ about the topic, here:

http://fd-doc.sourceforge.net/faq/cgi-bin/viewfaq.cgi?faq=General_Information/12

This applies equally well to the Windows source code.  Don't look.

Thanks.

-jh

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Re: [Freedos-devel] re: Microsoft source code

2004-02-16 Thread Johnson Lam
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:54:50 +0100 (MET), you wrote:

Hi,

our lower manpower should be enough. And of course this project is a challenge
and fun. Just writing a new Makefile for MS Sources would be a VERY boring way
to clone MS DOS functionality!

IMHO, if the Freedos' programs more superior, smarter and better than
M$. Then they can't accuse you coders by stealing their code.


Rgds,
Johnson.

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