Re: [Freedos-user] adding executable file to FreeDOS 1.1 installation image
Hi All, So, i think creating a bootable freedos iso with your files and then devloading it may solve :P Have you tried? :P Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Geraldo Netto Non dvcor, dvco = Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ On 26 June 2012 14:55, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote: Op 26-6-2012 19:39, Martin T schreef: Geraldo, thanks, I'm fine. In case I boot the freedos.iso image with qemu -cdrom freedos.iso -boot d -m 128 and try to access any drive other than A:\, I get the Invalid drive error: @ECHO OFF echo Loading EL-TORITO ISO9660 non-emulation driver as FDCD0001 DEVLOAD ELTORITO.SYS /D:FDCD0001 echo Assigning driveletter X: to block device FDCD0001 SHSUCDX /D:FDCD0001,X DIR X: or: echo Loading ISA/PCI IDE/EIDE/ATA/SATA optical drive device driver DEVLOAD UIDE.SYS /D:FDCD0001 /N3 /B echo Assigning drive X: SHSUCDX /D:FDCD0001,X -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] GRUB 2.00 Freedos support
With release of the GNU GRUB version 2.00, Freedos is now supported among other boot protocols. Besides technical improvements it is important to know that Freedos is considered worth the efforts put in development, not only by subscribers of freedos-* lists, but also by developers from other projects. Full announce here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2012-06/msg00093.html -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network printing
Hi David, There are versions of DOS supplied with machines that have a mode command that can redirect the printer port. It might even be a standard feature of the mode command. But it is strictly a port change - instead of using the BIOS to send characters to the printer it uses the BIOS to send characters to the serial port. A TSR that hooks the BIOS calls and sends the data elsewhere is possible. There are existing TSRs that capture printer output and write it to a file. Often it's not just a matter of shoving the output to the printer over the network. In that one method discussed here that is exactly what happens. But for a Unix style printer queue that doesn't work at all. Mike small rant We really need more programmers. I've done my part to create a framework for writing TCP/IP and UDP applications. There are a lot of neat ideas floating around, but for one person it is like trying to boil the ocean. Can write code but you are not a DOS programmer yet? On the edge about how to get started? I can help ... /small rant -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] network printing
Quoting Michael B. Brutman mbbrut...@brutman.com: small rant We really need more programmers. I've done my part to create a framework for writing TCP/IP and UDP applications. There are a lot of neat ideas floating around, but for one person it is like trying to boil the ocean. Can write code but you are not a DOS programmer yet? On the edge about how to get started? I can help ... /small rant And just a small clarification ... That's an open invitation to anybody who wants to get started coding under DOS. I've been thinking about setting up a Wiki or a FAQ to make it easier for people who code on more modern platforms; warnings about fun things like segments and pointer arithmetic can help get people up to speed faster. Even just a good how-to on setting up a development environment would be helpful. -Mike -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate
Hi, On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Mateusz Viste mate...@viste-family.net wrote: I do agree with Rugxulo. Just adding my 2cts regarding FDUpdate (I'm the one responsible for creating the monster). BTW, I knew you'd read this, so no disrespect intended (obviously), your work is always appreciated, but it's just a tough situation to handle properly. :-( The idea of FDUpdate was to provide some kind of semi-graphical manager that would allow the average joe to add/update whatever packages in its system. FDUpdate is, however, just a nifty frontend. In the background it calls wget or htget (the downloader backend is configurable) to download the *.zip files into a temp directory, and then it calls FDPKG to install these zip files. I quite quickly lost hope, as the whole packaging work was way more than what I could ever handle on my free time... and without packages, a packager is, well, useless. In other words - don't put any hope into using FDUPDATE for any serious update of your FreeDOS system. FDUPDATE will probably never be useable - unless suddenly there is an army of volunteers that starts massively populating the FDUPDATE repository (which is highly unlikely to ever happen anyway). If only it were even that simple (and no, we don't have a lot of relevant volunteers, sadly). Sometimes an upgrade changes, breaks, or worsens things, whether unintentionally or otherwise. Sometimes files get renamed or split into separate utils. What to do about config files? Probably have to edit those manually anyways. And you'd of course not want to change hardware or software requirements for the worse, at least not without huge warnings. And then you need backups (.EXEs only or whole .ZIPs?). And all of that is IF (doubtful) you have a working packet driver and IF (doubtful) the repo is updated with recent stuff. DJGPP also has (had?) an experimental updater too (pakke), but again, I've never tried it. I always end up manually installing and handling things. Sure, it's more work, but there is no quick fix. Usually I want latest and greatest too (for vanity??), but that's not always appropriate, esp. with compilers or similar tools, so I keep lots of .ZIP archives around in order to re-install or temporarily install for a quick use or whatever. Half my HD usage is probably .ZIP backups (original downloads, I mean, not manual installs compressed). And sometimes I do have several different versions of something installed with various names, e.g. NASM, CWSDPMI. Sometimes I customize them to use a wrapper BLAH.BAT and rename the original .EXE to _blah.exe . You just have to be kinda paranoid and very careful as sometimes things break without realizing why, so you have to eliminate any possible room for error. It's often said that if something works, don't change it! because you're not guaranteed the same stability. In other words, for example, don't upgrade WinXP to Win7 unless you know what you're doing!! :-) These days, I do have write access to the FD iBiblio mirror, and I have tried to keep a lot of little things updated, so it should be okay, but of course I'm easily distracted, and there is always plenty more that could (potentially) be done. Some things change so fast anyways that it's almost pointless to upgrade for every minor point release. But hey, I'm open to suggestions. Perhaps a repo for BASE only would be a good compromise (though most of it is frozen / stable). That's the core stuff that we really need. Maybe UTIL too, but that's less critical. Though how would you handle 3rd-party patches? I was wondering recently whether we need a good place for things like that. But it's easy for things to get lost in the shuffle, so I often want to put things online somewhere so they don't disappear forever. Not always easy. :-/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate
Hi, On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote: I think official freedos release must be just 2 or 3 floppies, as MSDOS was Boot system + basic drivers and tools (and both, cdrom and floppy image are required). Well, depends on how simplistic you want to make it. I personally would rather have a liveCD than install only, but then again, it's a lot more work, much much more. Just deciding what to put on the floppies is half the job, then deciding how the heck to cram it on in is the other half! And it's hard to update and regenerate everything. I guess Linux distros have things more streamlined, they can generate and rebuild on the fly. We don't have any fancy build servers or scripts (that I know of, anyways). No package manager needed for this base system Assuming someone keeps it updated, which may not always happen! Aditional to this, the community or any interested user can release cdroms with software collections. Such collections may include a package manager or a centralized install menu but is not required. Right, but it's always a lot of work, a lot to keep track of. Simpler to understand and mantain. Any person will install only the apps really need, and the install or update of base system is simple and quick I guess the desire is low due to real gurus already doing it manually. Others probably can't be bothered with the tedium, arcane knowledge, lots of testing, etc. P.S. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just tedious, somewhat complicated, exhausting without some more volunteers, hard to decide what to put where and how. Plus, honestly, you'll get no sympathy for floppies anymore. That alone is probably the weakest idea (though I'm not totally opposed). And hardware changes so fast, sometimes I wonder if it's worth it. Bah. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] GRUB 2.00 Freedos support
Hi, On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 5:38 AM, escape esc...@front.ru wrote: With release of the GNU GRUB version 2.00, Freedos is now supported among other boot protocols. Good to know this has been released. Besides technical improvements it is important to know that Freedos is considered worth the efforts put in development, not only by subscribers of freedos-* lists, but also by developers from other projects. I would doubt that, we don't get a lot of sympathy. If there is any support, it's more like an afterthought. Full announce here: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2012-06/msg00093.html This sounds scary powerful and complicated, BTW, way moreso than I ever imagined. (8 MB .tar.gz uncompressed to 40 MB of srcs!!!) If anyone here ever actually tests this thing out, esp. re: FreeDOS, please mail us your experiences! (Probably best to play with under VirtualBox first to avoid messing up real installs.) -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate
just about the floppy diskette thing, floppydisk.com sells usb 2.0 diskette drives that plug-and-play auto-recognize and auto-mount, even under my windows 7 64-bit ultimate system. they're advertised as used, but mine that they sent were new. and naturally they sell floppy diskettes for a pretty good price. there's substantial support commercially for using floppies, you just have to find it. eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com eufdp...@yahoo.com From: Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] fdupdate Hi, On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Marco Achury marcoach...@gmail.com wrote: I think official freedos release must be just 2 or 3 floppies, as MSDOS was Boot system + basic drivers and tools (and both, cdrom and floppy image are required). Well, depends on how simplistic you want to make it. I personally would rather have a liveCD than install only, but then again, it's a lot more work, much much more. Just deciding what to put on the floppies is half the job, then deciding how the heck to cram it on in is the other half! And it's hard to update and regenerate everything. I guess Linux distros have things more streamlined, they can generate and rebuild on the fly. We don't have any fancy build servers or scripts (that I know of, anyways). No package manager needed for this base system Assuming someone keeps it updated, which may not always happen! Aditional to this, the community or any interested user can release cdroms with software collections. Such collections may include a package manager or a centralized install menu but is not required. Right, but it's always a lot of work, a lot to keep track of. Simpler to understand and mantain. Any person will install only the apps really need, and the install or update of base system is simple and quick I guess the desire is low due to real gurus already doing it manually. Others probably can't be bothered with the tedium, arcane knowledge, lots of testing, etc. P.S. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, just tedious, somewhat complicated, exhausting without some more volunteers, hard to decide what to put where and how. Plus, honestly, you'll get no sympathy for floppies anymore. That alone is probably the weakest idea (though I'm not totally opposed). And hardware changes so fast, sometimes I wonder if it's worth it. Bah. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
