Re: [Freedos-user] Load file sys driver in dconfig.sys?

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
Thanks

On Sun, 04 May 2014 17:40:54 +0200 Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl writes:
 Dale E Sterner schreef op 4-5-2014 17:33:
  What does an HPFS driver do?
 
 Access to the Apple Macintosh / MacOS / OSX operating system's 
 filesystem, just as NTFS is associated with Microsoft Windows
 
 
  cheers
  DS
 
 
  On Sat, 03 May 2014 16:29:32 -0700 Ray Davison 
 ray...@charter.net
  writes:
  Is it possible to load an exe file system driver in dconfig.sys?
 
  I have a DOS HPFS driver that works OK, but I would like it to 
 get a
 
  drive letter before the DVDs.
 
  What is available for reading NTFS used in WXP, W7?
 
  TY
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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
That means serial would have to be clocked 8 times faster at least to
match paraiiel.
Thanks.

DS

On Sun, 04 May 2014 08:41:59 -0700 Michael B. Brutman
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 Synchronizing the sending of bits over parallel interfaces is much 
 more 
 difficult than it is to send a single serial bit stream.  As a 
 result, 
 you can send that single serial stream of bits faster than you can 
 do it 
 in parallel across multiple wires.
 
 SCSI went through this transition when drives moved from parallel 
 SCSI 
 to FibreChannel and SAS (Serial Attached SCSI).  SATA has followed a 
 
 similar evolution.  Even the PCI bus has moved to a serial 
 implementation.
 
 You can enjoy your older hardware; I certainly do.  But the rest of 
 the 
 world has moved on to these serial variants for a reason. (Keep in 
 mind 
 that none of this takes into account that the hard drive performance 
 is 
 generally limited by the device itself, not the interface.)
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
So what prevents higher clock speeds for IDE. I think serial is just a
lot cheaper to
make. 

DS

On Sun, 04 May 2014 17:47:46 +0200 Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz
writes:
 Dale E Sterner wrote:
  My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see 
 how
  that could be better.
  The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive 
 interface has
  only 4 lines going
  into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, 
 the
  other 2 lines are for data.
  Using the same clock which do you think is faster?
 
 Here is fundamental factor - SATA hasn't same clock speed as IDE.
 Its speed is higher so that much surpasses ide interface.
 
 Some quickly found reference:

http://www.howtogeek.com/171947/why-is-serial-data-transmission-faster-th
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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to clock 8
times faster to match IDE.
A 250 gig CF chip costs $1500 while an SD chip is much much cheaper.
I. 

On Sun, 4 May 2014 15:06:36 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com
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 On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com 
 wrote:
  My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see 
 how
  that could be better.
  The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive 
 interface has
  only 4 lines going
  into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, 
 the
  other 2 lines are for data.
  Using the same clock which do you think is faster?
 
 Ah, yes.  Parallel must be faster than serial.  I know it seems
 intuitive, but it isn't true.
 
 Go Look Stuff Up.  Your ignorance of recent development is showing.
 
 Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA
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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread dmccunney
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote:

 I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to clock 8
 times faster to match IDE.

Cost is the big factor, period.  PCs are commodities, with commodity
pricing.  Given the same specs, it largely doesn't *matter* whose name
is on the box.  The purchase decision comes down to price, and lowest
cost producer wins because they can offer cheaper prices.

 A 250 gig CF chip costs $1500 while an SD chip is much much cheaper.

And this is a *bad* thing?

Perhaps you would prefer PCs still used MFM drives with separate
controller cards?

I still have my old XT clone with two Seagate ST-225 20 *MB* hard
drives connected to a WD controller card.  Nowadays, you can't find a
20 *GB* hard drive.  They are all much larger and getting bigger
still.  You can get terabyte SATA drives for about $65.
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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-05-05 09:32 (GMT-0400) Dale E Sterner composed:

 So what prevents higher clock speeds for IDE.

Crosstalk and impedance, but there are other reasons why SATA is better too. 
For a 
better answer you could have looked it up instead of asking here. e.g. 
http://hexus.net/tech/tech-explained/storage/1339-pata-vs-sata/
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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the old one
being recycled.
A new twist I heard that Micro Soft is requiring computer vendors to
write their bios so that
only win 8 will boot on them. They want to get rid of Linux.Once a win 8
machine forever a
win 8 machine.

cheers
DS



On Mon, 5 May 2014 09:54:10 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com
writes:
 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com 
 wrote:
 
  I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to 
 clock 8
  times faster to match IDE.
 
 Cost is the big factor, period.  PCs are commodities, with commodity
 pricing.  Given the same specs, it largely doesn't *matter* whose 
 name
 is on the box.  The purchase decision comes down to price, and 
 lowest
 cost producer wins because they can offer cheaper prices.
 
  A 250 gig CF chip costs $1500 while an SD chip is much much 
 cheaper.
 
 And this is a *bad* thing?
 
 Perhaps you would prefer PCs still used MFM drives with separate
 controller cards?
 
 I still have my old XT clone with two Seagate ST-225 20 *MB* hard
 drives connected to a WD controller card.  Nowadays, you can't find 
 a
 20 *GB* hard drive.  They are all much larger and getting bigger
 still.  You can get terabyte SATA drives for about $65.
 __
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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread dmccunney
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote:
 Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the old one
 being recycled.

Depends on what you consider better.  Most folks think faster, more
powerful, and cheaper is better.

 A new twist I heard that Micro Soft is requiring computer vendors to
 write their bios so that only win 8 will boot on them. They want to get
 rid of Linux.Once a win 8 machine forever a  win 8 machine.

Look Stuff Up.  It's not that simple, and you *can* dual boot Win8 and
Linux.  It's just more of a pain to set up.

What you are dealing with is UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
Interface), which is intended as a *replacement* for the traditional
BIOS.  This is not just Microsoft.  It's a computer *industry*
initiative. See http://www.uefi.org/ for the website devoted to the
effort, and look at the Membership tab to see a list of companies
involved.

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Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
Depends on what you like to do with it. Most computer today are
entertainment center.
I have a DVD player for that.

cheers
DS

On Mon, 5 May 2014 10:35:24 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com
writes:
 On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com 
 wrote:
  Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the 
 old one
  being recycled.
 
 Depends on what you consider better.  Most folks think faster, 
 more
 powerful, and cheaper is better.
 
  A new twist I heard that Micro Soft is requiring computer vendors 
 to
  write their bios so that only win 8 will boot on them. They want 
 to get
  rid of Linux.Once a win 8 machine forever a  win 8 machine.
 
 Look Stuff Up.  It's not that simple, and you *can* dual boot Win8 
 and
 Linux.  It's just more of a pain to set up.
 
 What you are dealing with is UEFI (Unified Extensible Firmware
 Interface), which is intended as a *replacement* for the traditional
 BIOS.  This is not just Microsoft.  It's a computer *industry*
 initiative. See http://www.uefi.org/ for the website devoted to the
 effort, and look at the Membership tab to see a list of companies
 involved.
 
  cheers
  DS
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