Re: [Freedos-user] HTML5/Javascript/Flash (was: Re: Quickview ver 2.60)

2014-12-18 Thread dmccunney
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:07 PM, Ralf Quint freedos...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 12/16/2014 4:01 PM, dmccunney wrote:

 DOS is not dead but people need to treat DOS as DOS, not as a second
 coming of Linux...

 The fundamental issue for DOS is exactly what you *do* with it, and
 *why* you might use DOS in preference to something else like Linux.
 The fact that something  *can* run DOS doesn't necessarily mean it
 *should*.

 Works the other way around as well. Just because you can get basic web
 browsing features or other uses of the Internet on (Free)DOS, doesn't
 mean you should either...

Precisely.  I don't even try.

In my case, the question of Why use DOS? is mostly for fun, and to
run a few ancient DOS apps I still use.  The machine that runs
FreeDOS is largely a testbed to see what performance I can wring out
of limited hardware.  It more-or-less runs Win2K (but *not* XP) and a
couple of flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS.  Win2K and Linux plod along.
FreeDOS flies on it.

But I *don't* try to surf the web from it, in any OS.  It's simply too
slow, even with a CAT5 connection to a port on my router.  I also
don't attempt to watch YouTube.  Audio is okay, but video is a series
of still pictures.  The machine simply isn't powerful enough to do
such things acceptably.

My desktop is a refurb Dell unit, with a quad-core Xeon CPU at 2.4ghz,
8GB RAM, and boots from a 240GB SSD, with an ATI video card with a gig
of video RAM.  It multi-boots Win 7 Pro and Ubuntu 14.04, nad has a
CAT5 connection to my router, which connects to a 100mbit feed from my
ISP.  It's a pleasure to use.  Things like web surfing and YouTube are
done on it.

I can even run the few old DOS apps on it, using the vDOS fork of the
open source DOSBox emulator.  vDOS is Windows specifric and intended
to run character mode business apps.  (There is extensive discussion
on the WordStar list on how to configure it to run WS 7 on 64 bit Win
7 and Win 8.1 machines.)

Folks complaining about the problems involved in trying to surf the
web and view video from DOS are frankly wasting their time.  It might
be theoretically possible to enhance DOS support for such things, but
it would be a significant development effort.  Who would do it, and
why would they bother?  No one is going to *pay* to have it done, and
there are more rewarding things to code for fun.

 Ralf
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[Freedos-user] MetaDOS floppy distro - XFDOS - DOS4WIN64 Qemu environment

2014-12-18 Thread Georg Potthast
I got my brand new Samsung Tablet about three months ago. I bought a small 
USB hub and connected a mouse, flash disk and keyboard to that and could use 
them all with my XFDOS distro.

But frankly I rather use my desktop PC instead.

Georg 


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Re: [Freedos-user] MetaDOS floppy distro - XFDOS - DOS4WIN64 Qemu environment

2014-12-18 Thread dmccunney
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Georg Potthast
mail...@georgpotthast.de wrote:

 I got my brand new Samsung Tablet about three months ago. I bought a small
 USB hub and connected a mouse, flash disk and keyboard to that and could use
 them all with my XFDOS distro.

I have a generic 7 Android tablet.  It doesn't have Bluetooth, so an
external keyboard must be USB.  A USB-microUSB converter lets me plug
in my Logitech portable keyboard and it works fine.  Add a hub and I
can use keyboard and mouse.  Add a powered hub and I can connect my
Seagate USB HD, via a freeware third party driver using NTFS3g that
lets Android mount and read the NTFS file system.  (The Android device
must be rooted, but mine is.)   The powered hub is required to support
the HD - the tablet can't do it unaided.

I can run a few old DOS apps on the tablet via an Android port of
DOSBox.  This is mostly proof of concept.  My need to do it in
practice is nil.

 But frankly I rather use my desktop PC instead.

Under most circumstances, so do I.  The Android tablet is primarily an
eBook viewer, but in a pinch it can substitute for a laptop in a much
smaller and lighter form factor.  Lighter is good.  Smaller can be a
problem, as a lot of what I do really wants a larger screen.  The 23
monitor on my desktop is about right.

 Georg
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS website changes

2014-12-18 Thread Jim Hall
Hi all!

Just a quick note to let everyone know about some changes to the FreeDOS
website.

I've been working on improving the FreeDOS website, and tonight I started
making the first user-visible changes. Up until now, the changes have been
pretty minor, and probably invisible to most folks (some link cleanup,
behind-the-scenes cleanup, fixing typos, ... that sort of thing).

You may notice that the Welcome to FreeDOS section at the top is no
longer collapsed. Before, you had to click on each question to see the
answer - and the website would only show one answer at a time. Not
everyone likes this behavior (including me, at least recently) so I am
changing it. In time, I'll make this cleaner. It's too long right now.
Maybe I'll re-write it, or restructure the page to do without it. I'll work
on that over the holiday break.

Other than that, I haven't made any dramatic changes to the website. I only
want to clean things up, not change everything. No structural changes. No
big changes to the design or anything.

What do you think of the website improvements so far?
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