Re: [Freedos-user] Games

2016-06-21 Thread dmccunney 
On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:
> I am running vDOS on Linux Mint 18 through WINE, haven't noticed any
> problems yet, but since it is no longer open source ...

Hmmm.

I haven't tried running vDOS or anything else under Wine.  I have no
need to.  I dual boot Windows and Ubuntu Linux off an SSD, and
switching environments takes under a minute.  If I need to do
something specific to an OS, I boot into it.

I'm not enough of an open source purist that the current status of
vDOS will affect whether I run it, and I believe the vDOS fork with
LFN support I use *is* still open source.  But I'm not dead set
opposed to proprietary code under Linux if I need the functionality.
I currently use proprietary Intel microcode to better support the Xeon
CPU in the desktop box, and I'm evaluating installing the proprietary
AMD-ATI Linux graphics driver in place of the open source version
currently installed.  It's a complex exercise, so the question is
whether the performance gain justifies the effort required.

But it's good to know vDOS runs under Wine, if you are someone who
might need to.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games

2016-06-21 Thread Don Flowers 
I am running vDOS on Linux Mint 18 through WINE, haven't noticed any
problems yet, but since it is no longer open source ...

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:42 PM, dmccunney 
wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:
> > That would be awesome!
> >
> > It seems that this would be an alternative to vDOS?
> > https://www.vdos.info/
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdos/
>
> Why would you need it?
>
> vDOS is a fork of DOSBox specifically intended to run DOS character
> mode business apps.  It drops the graphics and sound emulation DOSBox
> provides because they aren't needed by the stuff vDOS is designed to
> run.  (vDOS is also not cross-platform, and only works under Windows.)
>
> I run vDOS here under Win10 and it works fine and runs what I've tried
> it with.  (The folks on the WordStar list, joined at the hip to
> WordStar 7, have clutched vDOS to their chests with happy little
> cries.)
>
> It takes a couple of minutes at most to get a DOS app working in vDOS.
> Install vDOS.  Install the DOS app in a directory.  Create a shortcut
> to vDOS that starts it in that directory.  Edit the sample
> AUTOEXEC.TXT and CONFIG.TXT files to do the right things for the app
> you want to run.  Run the shortcut.
>
> It won't work with DOS games (and is not intended to), but that's what
> DOSBox is for.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games

2016-06-21 Thread dmccunney 
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:
> That would be awesome!
>
> It seems that this would be an alternative to vDOS?
> https://www.vdos.info/
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/vdos/

Why would you need it?

vDOS is a fork of DOSBox specifically intended to run DOS character
mode business apps.  It drops the graphics and sound emulation DOSBox
provides because they aren't needed by the stuff vDOS is designed to
run.  (vDOS is also not cross-platform, and only works under Windows.)

I run vDOS here under Win10 and it works fine and runs what I've tried
it with.  (The folks on the WordStar list, joined at the hip to
WordStar 7, have clutched vDOS to their chests with happy little
cries.)

It takes a couple of minutes at most to get a DOS app working in vDOS.
Install vDOS.  Install the DOS app in a directory.  Create a shortcut
to vDOS that starts it in that directory.  Edit the sample
AUTOEXEC.TXT and CONFIG.TXT files to do the right things for the app
you want to run.  Run the shortcut.

It won't work with DOS games (and is not intended to), but that's what
DOSBox is for.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Games

2016-06-21 Thread dmccunney 
On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:37 PM,   wrote:

> I don't think DOSBox requires a virtual hard disk image at all.

You can in fact load one, but it won't help with FreeDOS.  There's an
option in DOSBox to mount a CDROM as a drive.  But DOSBox still
provides the DOS kernel.  You could get the rest of FreeDOS on such a
mounted drive, but the kernel would not be loaded.

I use the vDOS fork of DOSBox here under Win10 to run DOS apps, and a
port of full DOSBox under Android to run DOS apps.  Works fine, save
that DOSBox provides no equivalent of CONFIG.SYS, and there is no way
lo load drivers that expect to be loaded there.  This means I can't
use HMA, because there is no way to load HIMEM.SYS or equivalent.
(I've looked at a program or two that try to load drivers from the
command line, but they don't work in DOSBox.)

I have some of the FreeDOS components on my Android tablet.  DOSBox
COMMAND.COM provides just enough functionality to let you load and run
games from the C:\> prompt, and lacks things like pipes, but FreeDOS
COMMAND runs fine, as does 4DOS, and repairs that lack.  (DOSBox does
implement EMS And XMS, and TSRs can be loaded high.)
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