Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Šimon Dobeš]

Almost I forgot.
If I will install FreeDOS on that pentium PC that have about 60 GB of 
Hard Disk. May I been able to install some Windows OS? (e.g. Windows 95, 
98, 2000)

Thanks
Simon

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Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 
2002 and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is 
not working. Where I can fix it?

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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Mateusz Viste]

Note that running a laptop with no battery is not necessarily a good 
idea - some laptops rely on the battery to act as a voltage regulator. 
Running a laptop without its aku pack is how I fried a RAM bank in my 
Toshiba T1100 a couple of years ago. I realized too late that the power 
supply was delivering a much higher voltage than what the laptop 
expected, and needed to be brought down by the battery not to damage 
anything. More recent constructions are probably sturdier, but one 
should be careful nonetheless.


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On 09/01/2021 08:46, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

OK
I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed down 
the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not found 
anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power supply 
or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery pack for 
that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are way old to 
handle all operations and may explode.

Simon

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On 1/8/2021 8:28 AM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 
2002 and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it 
is not working. Where I can fix it?


Well, as others already mentioned, there is no reason why FreeDOS 
would NOT run on such a PC. More RAM that you would probably need, but 
not a problem either.


What however is a problem here is that "it is not working" is not a 
proper problem description. You need to be far more 
precise/descriptive of what exactly you are trying to do and what the 
results are. We can not look over your shoulder, and there simply is 
not enough information to even make an educated guess...


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Šimon Dobeš]

OK
I will try to explain more properly. I plugged in my Laptop. Pushed down 
the power button and nothing happened. I cleaned up and I did not found 
anything leaked or broken. I think there is a problem with power supply 
or some circuits. I will keep finding. I have also a battery pack for 
that Laptop too but I am not using since those batteries are way old to 
handle all operations and may explode.

Simon

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On 1/8/2021 8:28 AM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002 and 
if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not 
working. Where I can fix it?


Well, as others already mentioned, there is no reason why FreeDOS would NOT run 
on such a PC. More RAM that you would probably need, but not a problem either.

What however is a problem here is that "it is not working" is not a proper 
problem description. You need to be far more precise/descriptive of what exactly you are 
trying to do and what the results are. We can not look over your shoulder, and there 
simply is not enough information to even make an educated guess...

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Re: [Freedos-user] Problems with FDISK?

[Greg Gerke via Freedos-user]

So I finally got a little more time to play around with this thing... but still 
no luck. For reference the interface is an ID2CF from Startech.com 
(https://www.startech.com/en-us/hdd/ide2cf) and the CF card itself is a 16GB 
no-name. I've tried messing with both FreeDOS 1.2 and 1.3-RC3 but had the same 
luck with both.

When I boot up my machine (Dell P3 at a blazing 600MHz) it does see the disk in 
during POST as:

Fixed Disk 0: CF CARD-(PM)
ATAPI CD-ROM: LG CD-RW CED-8-(SM)

After the CD grinds for a bit I get to this screen:

FreeDOS kernel 2042 (build 2042 EOM:0xfd) [compiled May 11 2016]
Kernel compatibility 7.10 - WATCOMC - FAT32 support

(C) Copyright blah blah blah

- InitDiskWARNING: using suspect partition Pri:1 FS 0b: with calculated values
2-2-33 instead of 4-4-1
WARNING: Partition ID does not suggest LBA - part Pri:1 FS 0b.
Please run FDISK to correct this - using LBA to access partition.
start 2-2-33, end 4440-8-48
C: HD1, Pri[ 1], CHS= 2-2-33, start= 1MB, size=2048MB

After that it trundles on until it gets to the "C: is not partition, do you 
want to do that now?" screen I tell it yes and I *think* I see a message about 
something terminated but it only flashes on the screen for a split second.

After that it says it needs to reboot but then I end up down the same path in 
the installer. If I tell it I want to go back to DOS and I try doing any of 
these: "fdisk" or "fdisk 0" or "fdisk /fprmpt" or "fdisk /dump" I end up with 
the same error

Error Reading Hard Disk:

Function number or drive not permitted.

Program Terminated.

I don't have a way to test the IDE to CF interface elsewhere but I can put the 
CF card in a reader and attach it to either a Linux laptop or a Win10 desktop 
and it shows up just fine in either case. I've currently got the CF card 
partitioned to having only a 2GB primary partition. On the Linux I tried to 
partition it via cfdisk (W95 FAT32 LBA) and set it to be bootable before 
writing out the partition. I also did roughly the same thing via gparted but 
that didn't have any more favorable results.

This machine does have a 3GB IDE spinning disk (with FreeDOS 1.2) in it but 
I've got to think that it's of a vintage that it may or may not last much 
longer. I don't have any reason to believe it's having a problem but it's going 
on perhaps 15 years so I know it won't last forever and I figured I'd get a 
jump on getting this updated where I can. I did try booting off of the spinning 
disk and making the CF card the slave instead of the master (or 
primary/secondary depending on how you feel about such things). Both the 
spinning and the CF showed up during POST but I wasn't able to use fdisk (or 
fdisk131) to get to the CF card... although doing an fdisk /dump did show 8 
potential disks with only the first one having anything to say for itself (as 
that's where the spinning disk is).

Thanks,
Greg

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> On 1/4/2021 7:02 AM, Bob Pryor wrote:
>
>> Greg
>>
>> Did the gparted computer partition the CF card as GPT? I believe FreeDOS 
>> only recognizes MBR partitions.
>
> That is correct, but not necessarily the only potential issue...
>
>>> But after the reboot it comes back and asks again about partitioning. 
>>> Granted, I'm guessing that FreeDOS and/or fdisk wasn't expecting this sort 
>>> of hardware so maybe this is yet another wrinkle?
>
> I personally don't trust those CF to IDE adapters, and CF cards in general, 
> they just seem to add indeed another layer of potential problems...
>
>>> I did take the CF card and put it on another machine and (via gparted) made 
>>> four 2GB partitions and formatted them as FAT32. When I tried the reinstall 
>>> again it still comes up saying that the "disk" needs to be partition though.
>
> HOW did you create those partitions? DOS (any DOS) will work only with one 
> "primary" partition (partition ID 0Bh/0Ch), any additional ones need to be 
> "extended" partitions (0Fh, all assuming FAT32).
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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On 1/8/2021 8:28 AM, Šimon Dobeš wrote:

Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 
2002 and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it 
is not working. Where I can fix it?


Well, as others already mentioned, there is no reason why FreeDOS would 
NOT run on such a PC. More RAM that you would probably need, but not a 
problem either.


What however is a problem here is that "it is not working" is not a 
proper problem description. You need to be far more precise/descriptive 
of what exactly you are trying to do and what the results are. We can 
not look over your shoulder, and there simply is not enough information 
to even make an educated guess...


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Marv]

Actually, I do use PLOP whenever I have my 2nd HD plugged in. It has
Windows 2000 on it. Sometimes it's handy to use certain windows programs
like Disk Management, but mostly I just leave it disconnected and use
FreeDos.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 5:12 PM Andrew Robins  wrote:

> *EDIT: USB2.0 ports via PCMCIA adapter, I mean.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Andrew Robins wrote:
>
> You might like to consider using Elmar Hanlhofer's "Plop" boot manager
> https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html to assist with booting from your
> native USB1.x port. It helps with working around early BIOS versions that
> did not permit /enable booting from USB as an option. (Have you checked you
> bios to rule this part of the problem out?) However, if you have USB ports
> via a PCMCIA adapter, you may have additional struggles with compatibility.
> Elmar lists PCMCIA compatibility as 'limited', but I have not had any
> success using PLOP to boot from USB.
> HTH
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 2:47 AM, Marv wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a
> Pentium II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial
> and parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable.
> The CD drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to
> install FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on
> the HD. I transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but
> sometimes with the 1.44MB floppy.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš 
> wrote:
>
> Hello
> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002
> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is
> not working. Where I can fix it?
> Thx
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

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*EDIT: USB2.0 ports via PCMCIA adapter, I mean. 



On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 8:07 AM, Andrew Robins wrote:
> You might like to consider using Elmar Hanlhofer's "Plop" boot manager 
> https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html to assist with booting from your 
> native USB1.x port. It helps with working around early BIOS versions that did 
> not permit /enable booting from USB as an option. (Have you checked you bios 
> to rule this part of the problem out?) However, if you have USB ports via a 
> PCMCIA adapter, you may have additional struggles with compatibility. Elmar 
> lists PCMCIA compatibility as 'limited', but I have not had any success using 
> PLOP to boot from USB. 
> HTH
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 2:47 AM, Marv wrote:
>> For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a Pentium 
>> II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial and 
>> parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable. The 
>> CD drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to install 
>> FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on the HD. I 
>> transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but sometimes with 
>> the 1.44MB floppy.
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš  wrote:
>>> Hello
>>> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002 
>>> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
>>> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not 
>>> working. Where I can fix it?
>>> Thx
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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Andrew Robins]

You might like to consider using Elmar Hanlhofer's "Plop" boot manager 
https://www.plop.at/en/bootmanagers.html to assist with booting from your 
native USB1.x port. It helps with working around early BIOS versions that did 
not permit /enable booting from USB as an option. (Have you checked you bios to 
rule this part of the problem out?) However, if you have USB ports via a PCMCIA 
adapter, you may have additional struggles with compatibility. Elmar lists 
PCMCIA compatibility as 'limited', but I have not had any success using PLOP to 
boot from USB. 
HTH




On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, at 2:47 AM, Marv wrote:
> For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a Pentium 
> II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial and 
> parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable. The CD 
> drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to install 
> FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on the HD. I 
> transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but sometimes with the 
> 1.44MB floppy.
>  
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš  wrote:
>> Hello
>> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002 
>> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
>> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not 
>> working. Where I can fix it?
>> Thx
>> Simon
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Virtual Get-together

[Šimon Dobeš]

Thanks for inviting!
Simon

Dňa pi, 8. jan 2021, 21:41 Jim Hall  napísal(a):

> Hi everyone!
>
> We had a great conversation at the last FreeDOS Virtual Get-together, and
> we all wanted to do it again.
>
> Mark your calendars for *Sunday, 24 January, 2021* at *11am US/Central*. Use
> your favorite timezone converter to find your local time.
>
> Just like last time, we'll hold the meeting via BlueJeans
> . I use BlueJeans for my consulting and training
> , so I already have things set up there. You can
> download the BlueJeans Meetings client, or connect from your browser
> without a client.
>
> I'll share the meeting link on the email list, and on the website, and on
> Twitter + Facebook when the get-together starts.
>
> See you there!
>
> Jim
>
>
> *Yes, we'll have another one after that. Plan on the February get-together
> for Sunday, 21 February, 2021. Same time, same place.
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS Virtual Get-together

[Jim Hall]

Hi everyone!

We had a great conversation at the last FreeDOS Virtual Get-together, and
we all wanted to do it again.

Mark your calendars for *Sunday, 24 January, 2021* at *11am US/Central*. Use
your favorite timezone converter to find your local time.

Just like last time, we'll hold the meeting via BlueJeans
. I use BlueJeans for my consulting and training
, so I already have things set up there. You can
download the BlueJeans Meetings client, or connect from your browser
without a client.

I'll share the meeting link on the email list, and on the website, and on
Twitter + Facebook when the get-together starts.

See you there!

Jim


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Re: [Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Marv]

For what it's worth, I'm using a 1998 Intel 440BX machine. It has a Pentium
II. The network adapter on the motherboard works fine, also serial and
parallel ports. The only issue I have is the USB port is non-bootable. The
CD drive is bootable but it is not compatible with FreeDos. I had to
install FreeDos by copying the necessary files to a separate partition on
the HD. I transfer files to and from it mainly over the network, but
sometimes with the 1.44MB floppy.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:30 AM Šimon Dobeš  wrote:

> Hello
> I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002
> and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is
> not working. Where I can fix it?
> Thx
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[Freedos-user] Compatibility with 2002 and 1998 computers

[Eric Auer]

Hi Šimon,

of course a 2002 Pentium with 256 MB RAM is
more than enough for FreeDOS :-) Which type
of apps do you plan to use it? If you want
to use games, be aware that most only work
with ISA soundcards. Some might work with
PCI soundcards which try to be compatible,
but only in old computers such as yours.

On modern hardware, most games only recognize
the PC speaker or beeper, if you have one.

> I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and
> it is great computer. But it is not
> working. Where I can fix it?

Please explain in far more detail in which way
what is not working and what you have tried to
make it work until now. Then maybe people here
can tell you what the next step to fix it will
be :-)

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[Freedos-user] (no subject)

[Šimon Dobeš]

Hello
I want to ask if FREEDOS will run on Intel Pentium old-school PC from 2002
and if it will work properly if this pc have 256 mb of ram.
I have a old IBM ThinkPad from 1998 and it is great computer. But it is not
working. Where I can fix it?
Thx
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[Freedos-user] any mouse configuration app recommendations?

[Eric Auer]

Hi! As ctmouse supports the usual interfaces for user preferences,
but has no app to control them, I would like to hear which free app
you can recommend for this. For example EDIT and GEM do not have a
menu item to send updated mouse sensitivity settings to the mouse
driver, but if I had any app to do that, ctmouse would listen :-)

I would NOT want to glue something to mousetst (ships with ctmouse)
for that, as mousetst is only for debugging.

The best choice would be a tool which you can use in multiple ways:

 - run from command line similar to COOLMOUSETOOL /sensitivity 25

 - run from command line as interactive TUI with sliders which
   can be controlled by keyboard and/or mouse

 - tell it to load as TSR, providing a TUI to invoke by hotkey

 - maybe it could even work in graphics mode or GEM? you never know

You get my point. Suggestions please :-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Context out of memory

[Bryan Kilgallin]

Thanks, Eric:


So the question would be: Which FreeCOM version do you use
and what do you do to trigger the error?


I had done lots of copy and paste, moving OPENGEM from a USB stick to C:.


Do you have unusually
long directory names or paths involved?


I rebooted


You can use VER /R to display the version of FreeCOM and
FreeDOS kernel at the same time in a compact 3 line style.


FreeCom version 0.84-pre2 XMS_Swap [Aug 28 2006 00:29:00]
DOS version 7.10
FreeDOS kernel 2042 (build 2042 OEM:0xfd) [compiled May 11 2016]


Based on additional details in your report, somebody else
can make a reconfigured FreeCOM with larger buffer for you.


I think that this is not critically important, just noted in passing.
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