Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-27 Thread Louis Santillan via Freedos-user
That looks like Wordperfect for DOS.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 9:29 PM Mart Zirnask via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
[SNIP]

> As for writers with DOS, I recalled and managed to dig up a video with
> Philip Roth using a standing desk and a Blue DOS Screen - is this also
> Wordstar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlVEcMSOGw=201
>
> The video is dated 2004, though - back then, I imagine it was not that
> uncommon yet to use a DOS wordprcessor.
>
> Greetings from Estonia,
> Mart
>
> 1: http://tinycorelinux.net/
> 2: http://tedfelix.com/qbasic/ (Haven't made my translation public yet
> - nor informed the author -, but eventually might do this as well.)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-27 Thread Mart Zirnask via Freedos-user
A "distraction free" writing environment was probably one of the
reasons I tested out FreeDOS at one point. I think it must also be the
fastest-booting distraction-free system of its kind these days? Even
as compared to some bare-bones ram-booted Linux like my beloved Tiny
Core [1]. It literally takes 2 seconds to press the power button and
get to the text editor that is configured to auto-launch via
autoexec.bat.

I think the idea of having a system that can be configured with just 2
files (config.sys and autoexec.bat) might also appeal to many of those
distraction free system seeker types. The entire system is at your
fingertips, and well understandable to tech-curious-but-not-uber-geeky
users.

Also, I've started to teach our son programming with QBasic (it feels
kind of weird to state this - but it is till an incredibly good
teaching environment and language, particularly for children who are
non-native English speakers). Currently we're using dosemu on Linux,
but I've often thought that a bootable USB thumb drive with
FreeDOS/SvarDOS and QBasic launched via autoexec.bat would make an
even better environment. A lock-in, in a positive sense -- the child
would not feel the urge to alt-tab to Minercaft or Firefox if he is
booted to a system where all he can do is use QBasic. It would also be
impossible to mess things up with keypresses that conflict with the
main OS (Linux or Windows; we've had an issue with him always pressing
the Windows key by accident). I have already observed that the Blue
Screen of QBasic does create a noticeable "flow state" of learning for
our 10yo son. Especially when paired with the instant feedback the
user gets from an environment like QBasic.

In fact, I actually went as far as translating a great QBasic tutorial
by Ted Felix into our language (Estonian) [2]. It is a joy to watch a
2024 10yo kid Actually Reading The Spiral-Bound Printout and typing in
the exercises. n=1, but I can confirm that this "oldschool" way of
teaching programming does still seem to work, provided you have
teaching material as good as this Ted Felix tutorial (and, maybe, a
child who already likes to read paper books).

As for writers with DOS, I recalled and managed to dig up a video with
Philip Roth using a standing desk and a Blue DOS Screen - is this also
Wordstar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlVEcMSOGw=201

The video is dated 2004, though - back then, I imagine it was not that
uncommon yet to use a DOS wordprcessor.

Greetings from Estonia,
Mart

1: http://tinycorelinux.net/
2: http://tedfelix.com/qbasic/ (Haven't made my translation public yet
- nor informed the author -, but eventually might do this as well.)

On 28/01/2024, Jim Hall via Freedos-user
 wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 4:51 PM Dan Schmidt via Freedos-user
>  wrote:
>>
>> Now, that's an interesting use for a Dos/FreeDOS retro computer:
>>
>> https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/14/5716232/george-r-r-martin-uses-dos-wordstar-to-write
>>
>> How many computers destined for the landfill still have perfectly good
>> screens and keyboards?  (Recalling those heavy, grey, indestructible
>> PS2 keyboards where the keys snapped back up with a vigour that
>> seemed to sent your fingers flying on to the next character)  Now,
>> I might have gone with WordPerfect 6 instead of WordStar 4, but the
>> idea itself is solid: A computer that you just use for writing, sans
>> distractions. No YouTube, no Email, no Facebook - you sit - you write.
>> I mean, it's hard to argue it didn't work well for this guy!
>
> I know I'm kind of an odd duck among my friends, but I'm with George
> R.R. Martin on this. (Not the first time I've seen this article from
> 2014.) DOS is pretty good at the distraction-free environment,
> necessitated by the limitations of the era. A distraction-free
> environment is great for certain kinds of work, especially writing.
>
> Actually, I've seen other, similar articles from different writers who
> do the same. There's an example of a professional screenwriter (don't
> remember the name) who still used a DOS word processor in 2020 to
> write movie scripts. It was specialized software aimed at writing
> scripts, and it only ran on DOS. This person said they had an office
> set up just for writing, with a dedicated DOS-only laptop for writing.
> If he needed to look up something on the Internet (or wanted to check
> email) he had a separate computer for that. I'm not sure how he
> transferred files from DOS to his other computer, but you can use a
> USB drive for that.
>
> There's a lot of DOS software that's still great in 2024. And I'd
> argue some tools haven't gotten much better since the DOS days. My
> favorite spreadsheet (on any platform) is As Easy As on DOS. That saw
> me through my undergraduate program. If I didn't need to share
> spreadsheets with anyone else, I think As Easy As could manage 99% of
> my spreadsheet needs. And probably 100% if I just accepted that some
> things worked differently (only 16 text colors 

Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-27 Thread Jim Hall via Freedos-user
On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 4:51 PM Dan Schmidt via Freedos-user
 wrote:
>
> Now, that's an interesting use for a Dos/FreeDOS retro computer:
>
> https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/14/5716232/george-r-r-martin-uses-dos-wordstar-to-write
>
> How many computers destined for the landfill still have perfectly good
> screens and keyboards?  (Recalling those heavy, grey, indestructible
> PS2 keyboards where the keys snapped back up with a vigour that
> seemed to sent your fingers flying on to the next character)  Now,
> I might have gone with WordPerfect 6 instead of WordStar 4, but the
> idea itself is solid: A computer that you just use for writing, sans
> distractions. No YouTube, no Email, no Facebook - you sit - you write.
> I mean, it's hard to argue it didn't work well for this guy!

I know I'm kind of an odd duck among my friends, but I'm with George
R.R. Martin on this. (Not the first time I've seen this article from
2014.) DOS is pretty good at the distraction-free environment,
necessitated by the limitations of the era. A distraction-free
environment is great for certain kinds of work, especially writing.

Actually, I've seen other, similar articles from different writers who
do the same. There's an example of a professional screenwriter (don't
remember the name) who still used a DOS word processor in 2020 to
write movie scripts. It was specialized software aimed at writing
scripts, and it only ran on DOS. This person said they had an office
set up just for writing, with a dedicated DOS-only laptop for writing.
If he needed to look up something on the Internet (or wanted to check
email) he had a separate computer for that. I'm not sure how he
transferred files from DOS to his other computer, but you can use a
USB drive for that.

There's a lot of DOS software that's still great in 2024. And I'd
argue some tools haven't gotten much better since the DOS days. My
favorite spreadsheet (on any platform) is As Easy As on DOS. That saw
me through my undergraduate program. If I didn't need to share
spreadsheets with anyone else, I think As Easy As could manage 99% of
my spreadsheet needs. And probably 100% if I just accepted that some
things worked differently (only 16 text colors and 16 background
colors for conditional formatting of cells, for example .. As Easy As
ran in VGA mode so could do 16 background colors).

I also experimented with using Word for DOS 5.5 as a "distraction
free" writing environment, and it works well. Word 5.5 uses modern
keybindings like ctrl-c to copy, ctrl-v to paste, etc (I didn't use
earlier versions of Word, might be the same there too, don't know) so
my fingers don't have to re-learn how to select text. If I did more
writing that didn't require special formatting (I rely on styles for
my tech writing these days) I'd probably be able to get by with Word
5.5. And LibreOffice Writer can read the files, too.


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[Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos

2024-01-27 Thread Dan Schmidt via Freedos-user
Now, that's an interesting use for a Dos/FreeDos retro computer:

https://www.theverge.com/2014/5/14/5716232/george-r-r-martin-uses-dos-wordstar-to-write

How many computers destined for the landfill still have perfectly good
screens and keyboards?  (Recalling those heavy, grey, indestructible PS2
keyboards where the keys snapped back up with a vigour that seemed to sent
your fingers flying on to the next character)  Now, I might have gone with
WordPerfect 6 instead of WordStar 4, but the idea itself is solid: A
computer that you just use for writing, sans distractions. No YouTube, no
Email, no Facebook - you sit - you write.  I mean, it's hard to argue it
didn't work well for this guy!
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