Re: [Freedos-user] Report back: QEMU - Max size of Linux access folder
You might try updating the 2nd drive's argument to `-drive file=fat:rw:dosfiles/,format=raw,cache=writeback`. [0] [0] https://manpages.debian.org/unstable/qemu-system-x86/qemu-system-i386.1.en.html On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 10:29 AM h...@iafrica.com wrote: > I removed CDROM and Sound support. I moved all program directories from > the D: drive (FAT16 access drive) to the C: drive and this appears to have > improved the speed to about 7x slower. I then checked to see if KVM was > running and it was. > The command line I was using to invoke the emulator was:- > $ qemu-system-i386 -m 32 -rtc base=localtime -drive > file=dos.img,index=0,media=disk,format=raw -drive > file=fat:rw:dosfiles/,format=raw -boot order=c -display sdl > I then added "-enable-kvm" > eg. > $ qemu-system-i386 -m 32 -rtc base=localtime -drive > file=dos.img,index=0,media=disk,format=raw -drive > file=fat:rw:dosfiles/,format=raw -boot order=c -display sdl -enable-kvm > This has moved speed to parity to 2x slower which is excellent. > > I have switched to the 4DOS shell with no speed penalty. In 4DOS I have > always used Function key F11 to toggle between two directories. This does > not work as QEMU appears to use F11 to toggle between current window size > and full screen. I have searched on the Internet but not found any > reference to the use off F11 in QEMU. Anyone have any ideas how to reassign > the key? I suspect it is hard coded? > > Using drive D:, the access drive, appears to be problematic. Best not to > use it other than transfer files. > > > On 2024/03/13 18:53, Louis Santillan wrote: > > What was the qemu command you used? It sounds like you paying a double > penalty somewhere for how you’re get the disk image into qemu. Loopback > devices pay some penalty. 10x seems like some option is missing to improve > performance. > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 2:57 AM hms--- via Freedos-user < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > >> Hi All >> Some feedback. Creating a 2G image allowed me to assemble source code >> correctly. The only penalty being speed. About 6 to 11 times slower than >> running DOS under XP. >> I mounted the image and copied source files from backup directory to >> mounted C: drive. >> Lubuntu Linux error on boot up resolved. QEMU-KVM had crashed on two >> occasions and logs created in the /dev/crash directory. Deleting the log >> files in /dev/crash removed the error message on start up. >> >> I used "mount" instead of "guestmount". Steps below. >> >> Display start sector and sector size: >> $ fdisk -l dos.img >> Eg. 63 and 512 bytes. Offset = 63 * 512 = 32256 >> >> Create directory: >> $ mkdir /tmp/dos >> >> Mount image in directory: >> $ sudo mount -o loop,offset=32256 dos.img /tmp/dos >> >> Copy directories: >> Eg. >> $ cp -r /temp/source-dir /tmp/dos >> >> Unmount image: >> umount /tmp/dos >> >> John >> >> >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Report back: QEMU - Max size of Linux access folder
What was the qemu command you used? It sounds like you paying a double penalty somewhere for how you’re get the disk image into qemu. Loopback devices pay some penalty. 10x seems like some option is missing to improve performance. On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 2:57 AM hms--- via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi All > Some feedback. Creating a 2G image allowed me to assemble source code > correctly. The only penalty being speed. About 6 to 11 times slower than > running DOS under XP. > I mounted the image and copied source files from backup directory to > mounted C: drive. > Lubuntu Linux error on boot up resolved. QEMU-KVM had crashed on two > occasions and logs created in the /dev/crash directory. Deleting the log > files in /dev/crash removed the error message on start up. > > I used "mount" instead of "guestmount". Steps below. > > Display start sector and sector size: > $ fdisk -l dos.img > Eg. 63 and 512 bytes. Offset = 63 * 512 = 32256 > > Create directory: > $ mkdir /tmp/dos > > Mount image in directory: > $ sudo mount -o loop,offset=32256 dos.img /tmp/dos > > Copy directories: > Eg. > $ cp -r /temp/source-dir /tmp/dos > > Unmount image: > umount /tmp/dos > > John > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Adapter PCMCIA to CF
I tested a generic/brandless/labelless/white label 5 pack of CF PCMCIA adapters on an old Epson 286 laptop & Librex 386 laptop. They worked as generic IDE drives and I was able to format an old 8MB CF card as FAT16 with DOS. They looked like the ones here - https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=PCMCIA+Compact+Flash+CF+Card+Reader+Adapter+for+Laptop They could be slightly cheap on aliexpress if you have patience for delivery - https://www.aliexpress.us/w/wholesale-PCMCIA-Compact-Flash-CF-Card-Reader-Adapter-.html On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 3:47 AM Ian Park via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > The CF to PCMCIA adapter is purely mechanical - you don't need any driver > software. I used to use one in my Psion Series 7. > > HTH > > Ian > > Ian Park > Email: i.d.c.p...@chalmers-park.name > Mobile: +44 (0) 7785 300290 > Sent from my Galaxy > > > Original message > From: Manuel Sobral via Freedos-user > Date: 07/03/2024 11:07 (GMT+00:00) > To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Cc: Manuel Sobral > Subject: [Freedos-user] Adapter PCMCIA to CF > > Hello everyone, > > First time using a mailing list, if I am doing something wrong please let > me know. > > I recently purchased an IBM Thinkpad 370C and am running FreeDOS 1.3. > > My question is, is it possible to use a PCMCIA to Compact Flash adapter? > Do I have to install the drivers or is it already included with FreeDOS? Do > I have to buy an old PCMCIA adapter? Does it work with any Compact Flash? > > If it only works with certain adapters or Compact Flash, could someone > provide me with already tested adapters and CF models? > > Thank you > Manuel > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Ramdisk
Best to share your CONFIG.SYS/FDCONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT/FDAUTO.BAT file contents. On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 3:14 PM Norby Droid via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I am usin a msi computer to run FreeDos 1.3 and setup a ramdrive. > > Reading through the docs I setup fdconfig with srdxms.sys h: srdummy,sys > h: and then in fdauto I run srdisk h: 51200. > > If I try usin the srdems.sys after chioosin option 3 for ems the computer > just stalls and I have to reboot the system. > > The prooblem I am havin is it shows that I have H: as a ramdisk, but when > I try to go to H: it tells me that H: is an invalid drive. I forst tried > with R: but that also gives invalid fdrive when I tryo to go to it. > > Maybe it is my setup? Currently I have an 80gb drive (probably overkill > for DOS). It has 4 partitions 3@20GB and the last one woth remainin > space. > > There is 6GB ram instaled in the system. Can I setup 2 or 4 gb to a drive? > > Thank you. > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] GNU Cobol on the FreeDOS ....
If you’re ok with a Linux cross compiler, you can add “cobol” here ( https://github.com/andrewwutw/build-djgpp/blob/master/script/common-settings#L6) and then build on a Linux box. Have you tried that? In Fedora I did, # sudo dnf install g++ gcc unzip bison flex make texinfo patch zlib-devel curl wget perl-File-Compare automake # DJGPP_PREFIX=`pwd` time -p bash build-djgpp.sh 12.1.0 ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
You inspired me to build one myself. I’m awaiting a few parts now. On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 12:15 PM Bill Gee via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > An update for the group - > > Today I built an adapter that translates USB keyboard and mouse to PS/2 > signals. > > https://docs.pikvm.org/pico_hid_bridge/ > > It works great! I can get into BIOS setup with it. CTL-ALT-DEL works. > I cannot see any problems with response time. Wolfenstein runs just fine. > > I had to buy one PS2 cable and the logic level converter. I already had > a Pico, one PS/2 cable and the micro-USB to USB-A adapter. > > Next to try is a different display adapter. > > === > Bill Gee ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] shutdown and USB Stick ?
FAT is always a finicky filesystem, especially if you're utilizing a caching or BIOS emulation for USB HDDs. Are you using a caching program like lbacache, cdrcache, smartdrv, etc? On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 7:11 AM Thomas Cornelius Desi via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > I boot FD from a USB Stick. > Can using »shutdown« command prevent that a bootable USB Stick with FD > becomes unusable? (Happened last week.) > > add: is the shutdown command also working in the previous FD version? > (Which I am normally using. I never used the »shutdown« command before. > Just switch off the computer ) > > > T. > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos
You may also be interested in the Blocek editor - http://www.laaca.borec.cz/blocek/#blocek On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 7:55 AM Thomas Cornelius Desi via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Apropos authoring on DOS Software: As I was looking for someting nifty > that would enhance my writing workflow on the computer, I decided for > VDE by Eric Meyer writer. ( have a look here: > https://archive.org/details/vde-197 ) > It actually does sort-of-UTF8 encoding which in my case (German Umlaute > äöü ß) is important. > And yes: why has it become so cumbersome to switch of > internet-connections?! > > and let’s mention »Captain Blackbeard« editor. Also great! > > > > On 29.01.2024, at 16:44, Jim Hall via Freedos-user < > freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > > > > Mart Zirnask wrote: > >>> As for writers with DOS, I recalled and managed to dig up a video with > >>> Philip Roth using a standing desk and a Blue DOS Screen - is this also > >>> Wordstar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlVEcMSOGw=201 > >>> > >>> The video is dated 2004, though - back then, I imagine it was not that > >>> uncommon yet to use a DOS wordprcessor. > > > > Louis Santillan wrote: > >> > >> That looks like Wordperfect for DOS. > > > > Agreed, that's definitely WordPerfect for DOS at 3:30 in the video. > > And a few seconds earlier at 3:25, you can see the WordPerfect > > template over the Model M function keys. > > > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] One use case for FreeDos
That looks like Wordperfect for DOS. On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 9:29 PM Mart Zirnask via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: [SNIP] > As for writers with DOS, I recalled and managed to dig up a video with > Philip Roth using a standing desk and a Blue DOS Screen - is this also > Wordstar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBlVEcMSOGw=201 > > The video is dated 2004, though - back then, I imagine it was not that > uncommon yet to use a DOS wordprcessor. > > Greetings from Estonia, > Mart > > 1: http://tinycorelinux.net/ > 2: http://tedfelix.com/qbasic/ (Haven't made my translation public yet > - nor informed the author -, but eventually might do this as well.) > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
The quality of the VGA to HDMI adapter isn't great but it works. In particular, on an HB8088 with an NEC v20 CPU & Chips 451 VGA there's large banding and the signal seems to ripple on dark black. On a Dell Optiplex 9020 with a Core i7-4790 the banding and ripple are reduced (probably a better signal coming out of the Intel HD's VGA port). Even better, the Optiplex has USB for Legacy Support, Legacy BIOS boot option, will boot DOS off a FAT32 USB drive, has a really clean video signal if you use a DisplayPort to HDMI adapter (last video). Didn't have a chance to do something like run PhilsComputerLab DOSBench suite but that could be next. The DP to HDMI adapter happens to be a variant of this ( https://www.amazon.com/DisplayPort-Gold-Plated-Avacon-Display-Adapter/dp/B01FX3K7T2/). A USB keyboard, mouse, DP-to-HDMI, USB drive, and 4GB or less RAM (9020 can use 1GB & 2GB DDR3 DIMMs), you have a legacy free DOS machine (retro rocket) for very little money. You could even add a USB Floppy to the mix. Videos on Google Drive ( https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1JKjjNO2t7bu8rJYmbxRFRRhD3BEyUr7x?usp=sharing). Apologies in advance for the poor narration, background noise, and lack of video editing. I rushed this out before leaving the house for the weekend. I had planned to edit out the audio but ran out of time. Video is still "processing" by Google at the time of this writing. On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 11:25 AM Felix Miata via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Bill Gee composed on 2024-01-26 12:59 (UTC-0600): > > > Go back to the original set of questions that started this ... My > > FreeDOS machine is plugged into a KVM switch which supports only VGA and > > PS2. In the near future - 6 months or so - that KVM must be upgraded to > > support HDMI displays and USB keyboard/mouse. In order to continue > > using the FreeDOS machine, it also must support HDMI display and USB > > keyboard/mouse. > > New day after long sleep. I forgot. :) > > > I could put it on a dedicated display, but there is no place in the > > house to set it up that way. The FreeDOS system has to live on my > > computer rack. > > > I was leery when I bought the adapter, but I figured for $10 it was hard > > to go far wrong. It was worth a try. > > It still is worth trying, but with more skill applied, and almost > certainly more > money spent. :p Surely you're not the only one with similar configuration. > > I am able to avoid KVM issues with big physical desktop, 6 displays, 3 > full-time > keyboards, 2 trackballs, one mouse, and a *lot* of cable switching, for > 40+ PCs, > normally with at most 3 up at once, occasionally a 4th, along with cable > switching > multiple times most days. > -- > Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > based on faith, not based on science. > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Using HDMI monitor and USB keyboard/mouse on FreeDOS
I used this adapter in the past ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F1K3QQX/). Tons of similar adapters on eBay, Amazon, AliExpress. Pretty sure it worked with an old Dell monitor over HDMI. I can try retesting it this weekend. On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 7:54 PM Felix Miata via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Bill Gee via Freedos-user composed on 2024-01-25 12:20 (UTC-0600): > > > Lots of good graphics modes on that card you are using. Problem is, > > that all came from Linux. What happens if you boot the system in > > FreeDOS? Will it show the POST? > > Turns out that PC had primary #2 allocated for FreeDOS, but it never got > installed. It does have WinXP and MDOS 7.1, which boots just like PC DOS > 2000 and older MDOS versions, same default 80x25 mode as for BIOS setup. I > have very few "active" PCs with populated AGP slots. Most AGPs I have are > in storage. > > The following, which like the prior, has WinXP and MDOS 7.1 but no > FreeDOS, and boots BIOS and DOS in 80x25 text, has PCIe instead of AGP: > # pinxi -CMSz --vs > pinxi 3.3.31-70 (2024-01-23) > System: > Kernel: 6.5.9-3-default arch: i686 bits: 32 > Desktop: KDE Plasma v: 5.27.9 Distro: openSUSE Tumbleweed 20231126 > Machine: > Type: Desktop System: Dell product: OptiPlex GX280 v: N/A serial: > > Mobo: Dell model: N/A serial: BIOS: Dell v: A07 date: 11/29/2005 > CPU: > Info: single core model: Intel Pentium 4 bits: 32 type: MT cache: > L2: 1024 KiB > Speed (MHz): avg: 2793 min/max: N/A cores: 1: 2793 2: 2793 > # pinxi -Gaz > Graphics: > Device-1: AMD RV516 [Radeon X1300/X1550 Series] vendor: Dell driver: > radeon > v: kernel alternate: amdgpu arch: Rage-7 code: R200 process: TSMC 150nm > built: 2001-06 pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: > active: DVI-I-1,VGA-1 empty: SVIDEO-1 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: > 1002:7183 > class-ID: 0300 > Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.9 compositor: kwin_x11 driver: X: > loaded: modesetting dri: swrast gpu: radeon display-ID: :0 screens: 1 > Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3600x1200 s-dpi: 120 s-size: 761x253mm (29.96x9.96") > s-diag: 802mm (31.57") > Monitor-1: DVI-I-1 pos: primary,left model: NEC EA243WM serial: > built: 2011 res: 1920x1200 hz: 60 dpi: 94 gamma: 1.2 > size: 519x324mm (20.43x12.76") diag: 612mm (24.1") ratio: 16:10 modes: > max: 1920x1200 min: 640x480 > Monitor-2: VGA-1 pos: right model: Dell P2213 serial: built: > 2012 > res: 1680x1050 hz: 60 dpi: 90 gamma: 1.2 size: 473x296mm (18.62x11.65") > diag: 558mm (22") ratio: 16:10 modes: max: 1680x1050 min: 720x400 > API: EGL v: 1.5 hw: drv: amd r300 platforms: gbm: egl: 1.4 drv: r300 x11: > drv: swrast inactive: wayland > API: OpenGL v: 4.5 compat-v: 2.1 vendor: mesa v: 23.2.1 glx-v: 1.4 > direct-render: yes renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 17.0.5 128 bits) > device-ID: : memory: 1.42 GiB unified: yes > # xrandr > Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3600 x 1200, maximum 8192 x 8192 > DVI-I-1 connected primary 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis > y axis) 519mm x 324mm >1920x1200 59.95*+ >1920x1080 59.9659.93 >1600x1200 60.00 >1680x1050 59.9559.88 >1400x1050 59.9859.95 >1600x900 59.9559.82 >1280x1024 60.02 >1440x900 59.90 >1400x900 59.9659.88 >1280x960 60.00 >1440x810 59.97 >1368x768 59.8859.85 >1280x800 59.9959.9759.8159.91 >1280x720 60.0059.9959.8660.0059.9459.74 >1024x768 60.0460.00 >960x720 60.00 >928x696 60.05 >896x672 60.01 >1024x576 59.9559.9659.9059.82 >960x600 59.9360.00 >960x540 59.9659.9959.6359.82 >800x600 60.0060.3256.25 >840x525 60.0159.88 >864x486 59.9259.57 >700x525 59.98 >800x450 59.9559.82 >720x480 60.0059.94 >640x512 60.02 >700x450 59.9659.88 >640x480 60.0060.0059.94 >720x405 59.5158.99 >684x384 59.8859.85 >640x400 59.8859.98 >640x360 59.8659.8359.8459.32 >512x384 60.00 >512x288 60.0059.92 >480x270 59.6359.82 >400x300 60.3256.34 >432x243 59.9259.57 >320x240 60.05 >360x202 59.5159.13 >320x180 59.8459.32 > SVIDEO-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) > VGA-1 connected 1680x1050+1920+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y > axis) 473mm x 296mm >1680x1050 59.95*+ 59.88 >1400x1050 74.7659.98 >1600x900 59.9559.82 >1280x1024 75.0260.02 >1440x900 59.98 >1400x900 59.9659.88 >1280x960 60.00 >1440x810 59.97 >1368x768 59.88
[Freedos-user] Interesting Project: dosfetch like neofetch
https://github.com/leahneukirchen/dosfetch One of the hallmarks of modern Linux CLI environments differentiating the various distro vendors is a linux tool called neofetch. A tool which probes the local environment will let you know some of the key features or metrics of the local environment (CPU, RAM, DISK, NET usage, OS flavor, CPU vendor, Hypervisor vendor) and pretty print that info (great for CLI OS screen captures to make them nicer looking/more appealing). Somewhat akin to a combination of `uname`, `top`, and others. Jerome's V8 Power Tools (https://github.com/LoopZ/V8Power) also has some of these features (I think) as well. dosfetch seems to aspire to do the same for DOS as neofetch. ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] What DOS programs represent the 1980s and early 90s?
On Mon, Jan 1, 2024 at 4:04 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: [SNIP] > (*) Did anyone else subscribe to a shareware catalog? I know you could > dial into a BBS to find shareware apps, but I found a catalog that > tested tons of shareware apps and games and listed the ones they > thought were the best. You sent in an order with a I subscribed to TigerDirect in the early to late 90s. They initially (during my subscription) offered 3.5” floppies, CDs with dozens to hundreds of shareware apps, games, and utilities. I still have a couple CDs on a spindle somewhere in my office. Eventually they pivoted to consumer PC hardware and then finally focused on business hardware including off lease hardware before getting bought out. > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dunfield releases 40+ years of Source Code
The manual is usually in the source zip or binary zip. If not, reach out to Dave and ask. On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 3:15 AM hms--- via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > This is indeed a treasure trove of material. > Does anyone know where to find the user manuals and binary files? > John > > On 2023/11/06 05:32, Louis Santillan via Freedos-user wrote: > > Dave Dunfield has released what he calls "40+ years of source code". > > > > https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=7=97034 > > <https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=7=97034> > > > > https://dunfield.themindfactory.com/dnldsrc.htm > > > > What I find most interesting is the source to his C compiler, > > Micro-C. Lots of other tools other bits that are new to me. > > > > The terms seem liberal but not quite OSS. > > https://dunfield.themindfactory.com/dnld/sc/COPY.TXT > > > > Maybe in the line of BSD or MIT/X like licenses. > > > > If you would like to see the binary versions of some of these > > projects, you can find them here. > > https://dunfield.themindfactory.com/dnld.htm > > > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Dunfield releases 40+ years of Source Code
Dave Dunfield has released what he calls "40+ years of source code". https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?f=7=97034 https://dunfield.themindfactory.com/dnldsrc.htm What I find most interesting is the source to his C compiler, Micro-C. Lots of other tools other bits that are new to me. The terms seem liberal but not quite OSS. https://dunfield.themindfactory.com/dnld/sc/COPY.TXT Maybe in the line of BSD or MIT/X like licenses. If you would like to see the binary versions of some of these projects, you can find them here. https://dunfield.themindfactory.com/dnld.htm ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Networking on UTM
Docs ( https://docs.getutm.app/settings-qemu/devices/network/network/#hardware) say that the emulated network device is a “virtio-net-pci” device. Docs also mention that the OS will require a driver for it. virtio is a common interface for modern Linux, Windows, and I think Mac OS VMs. For DOS, you’ll need to find a packet driver for it. I’m not aware of any. On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 6:33 AM Knedlik via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hello there! > > I’ve been venturing a bit into DOS world once again just for run, and it > seems that my UTM virtual machine doesn’t automatically set up networking. > I installed the networking packages from FDIMPLES, but when I boot the > machine, I get „QEMU network detected“ and right after that „Physical > hardware networking is not supported at this time“… > > Does anyone have an idea on how to solve this? I’m fine using FreeDOS > without networking, but having to download stuff onto my Mac and then stick > it into the VM can be a painful process… > > Thanks in advance, > -Knedlik > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] quick help finding the dos driver for intel etherexpress pro 100+
IIRC, there are some extra (Windows & OS/2) drivers and docs you can remove from the package to make it fit on a floppy. Try removing those folders first. On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 7:03 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi folks, > when I locate the img file, its a 1.57, which I believe would fit on the > later floppies, but apparently not on my 1.44 ones. > So hoping to find a copy, even if in .zip that will fit? > Apparently Intel has an entire package of drivers that include ones for > DOS. However, I believe the ISO image needs a cd burn, likely not an > option here, but will take the package if it can be found. > Doing the work with sighted help on 26 October Toronto time. > ideas? > Thanks, > Karen > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do I update certificates in FreeDOS?
And yet here we are talking about UNIX utilities ported to a 32-bit compiler running on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, originally written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. I daily drive Fedora Linux myself. But curling DOS software zip files on it is not as useful as doing that directly on 386 Dell I have sitting 3 feet away when I want to run a bit of new software on it. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:56 PM Ralf Quint via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On 8/5/2023 12:51 PM, Louis Santillan via Freedos-user wrote: > > > > > > Don’t do anything that requires security (banking, personal info, > > connecting to work) if you decide to use a 3rd party proxy. All of > > these proxies can potentially see your credentials and sensitive > > information. It would be best to stand up your own proxy if your > > technically capable of doing so. > > Seriously? Why not use a Linux host, with proper encryption protocol > support in the first place? What you suggest looks to me just like > another "von hinten durch die Brust ins Auge" issue.. > > > Ralf > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do I update certificates in FreeDOS?
https://linux.die.net/man/1/curl -k/--insecure(SSL) This option explicitly allows curl to perform "insecure" SSL connections and transfers. All SSL connections are attempted to be made secure by using the CA certificate bundle installed by default. This makes all connections considered "insecure" fail unless *-k/--insecure* is used. In short, curl will still make encrypted SSL/TLS connections at supported protocol versions (some servers and companies will still fall back to earlier standards). The encrypted/decrypted communication is considered insecure because the trust portion of the protocol is bypassed. And yes Ralf, if the servers or companies have strict security standards requiring newer protocol versions, then curl will fail or will eventually fail to communicate with them. This is why the proxy support is a better solution today. The system hosting the proxy can be newer and support the newest security standards for older systems. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:50 PM Ralf Quint wrote: > On 8/5/2023 12:37 PM, Louis Santillan wrote: > > zerofive, you did not provide us actual error messages. We can only > > speculate. > > > > At least with curl on Linux, you can bypass cert checks with “-k”. If > > you still believe it’s certs and you have a known good certificate and > > private key, you pass them as “--cert” and “--key”, respectively. > > wget has similar arguments as well. > The general problem here is, as I already mentioned, more likely the > lack of support of current encryption protocols rather than the use of > any certificate by those protocols. > > And any bypass you mentioned is likely just a way to fall back to > unencrypted http, which more and more sites these days simply do not > support anymore. > > > Ralf > > > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do I update certificates in FreeDOS?
You might also try standing up an http to https proxy. There are some proxies setup specifically for retro computers like https://protoweb.org/get-started/ https://github.com/DrKylstein/retro-proxy https://youtu.be/-Qs3LVPmLgk https://protoweb.org/wiki/servers/ http://www.steptail.com/retroweb:servers curl let’s you specify a proxy server with “-x” and a “username:password” (some proxies require this) with “-U”. Examine curl’s arguments with “-h”. Don’t do anything that requires security (banking, personal info, connecting to work) if you decide to use a 3rd party proxy. All of these proxies can potentially see your credentials and sensitive information. It would be best to stand up your own proxy if your technically capable of doing so. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:35 PM zerofive--- via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Then what do I do if I want to make a cURL request or WGet to a secure > HTTPS page? > Do I just use HTTP? > But then it will forcefully redirect to HTTPS connection... > What do I do? > *Sent:* Sunday, August 06, 2023 at 1:24 AM > *From:* "Ralf Quint via Freedos-user" > *To:* freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > *Cc:* "Ralf Quint" > *Subject:* Re: [Freedos-user] How do I update certificates in FreeDOS? > On 8/5/2023 5:35 AM, zerofive--- via Freedos-user wrote: > > Hello everyone! I am new to FreeDOS. > When I try to use cURL or WGet, they sometimes error and refuse to use > secure HTTPS connection. > I figured it was from outdated certificates. Is there any way I can update > them, manually or automatically? > Thanks! > > FreeDOS knows jacksh@t about any certificate. > > And rather than a certificate issue, it is much rather an issue about the > encryption protocols and associated key length in general that prevent you > from using https connections in recent years. This is totally an issue of > the applications you are using, making sure that they would be able to at > least support TLS 1.2, or newer... > > > > Ralf > > > ___ Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] How do I update certificates in FreeDOS?
zerofive, you did not provide us actual error messages. We can only speculate. At least with curl on Linux, you can bypass cert checks with “-k”. If you still believe it’s certs and you have a known good certificate and private key, you pass them as “--cert” and “--key”, respectively. wget has similar arguments as well. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 12:25 PM Ralf Quint via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > On 8/5/2023 5:35 AM, zerofive--- via Freedos-user wrote: > > Hello everyone! I am new to FreeDOS. > When I try to use cURL or WGet, they sometimes error and refuse to use > secure HTTPS connection. > I figured it was from outdated certificates. Is there any way I can update > them, manually or automatically? > Thanks! > > FreeDOS knows jacksh@t about any certificate. > > And rather than a certificate issue, it is much rather an issue about the > encryption protocols and associated key length in general that prevent you > from using https connections in recent years. This is totally an issue of > the applications you are using, making sure that they would be able to at > least support TLS 1.2, or newer... > > > Ralf > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] USB serial & DOSBox
Very cool!
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 4:05 AM Bryan Kilgallin
wrote:
> Yay, Louis:
>
> > It should be at `/dev/ttyUSB0` and you should refer to realport
> > `ttyUSB0` or something like that (`serial1=directserial
> > realport:ttyUSB0`).
>
> Yes, I found that character device.
>
> lsusb lists the following.
>
> {Bus 001 Device 005: ID 050d:0109 Belkin Components F5U109/F5U409 PDA
> Adapter}
>
> In DOSBox, at the C: prompt, I entered:
> "serial1=directserial realport:ttyUSB0".
>
> Then I launched the POLAR software. and told the heart-monitor to
> transmit. The POLAR software immediately received the data!
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Re: [Freedos-user] USB serial & DOSBox
It should be at `/dev/ttyUSB0` and you should refer to realport `ttyUSB0`
or something like that (`serial1=directserial realport:ttyUSB0`). This
article (
https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/find-out-linux-serial-ports-with-setserial/)
gives a good example of how to manage serial ports (including USB
connected) in Ubuntu.
This article (https://www.scivision.dev/dosbox-linux-serial-port/) gives
additional tips on how to set up serial ports for DOSBox on Linux.
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 6:32 PM Bryan Kilgallin via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> My heart monitor is an old Polar Sport Tester 4000.
> https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1393035/Polar-Electro-Sport-Testert.html
>
> Its interface box has an RS2323 socket.
>
> I had been downloading data to an old PC with a serial port. That PC
> runs FreeDOS. VER/R reports "DOS version 7.10".
>
> My Ubuntu PC does not have a serial port.
>
> But I have a Belkin F5U409 USB-serial adaptor. My Linux kernel is
> 5.19.0-50-generic.
>
> {The device is supported by kernel versions 2.6.0 and newer according to
> the LKDDb:
>
> Ver Source Config By ID By Class
> 2.6.0 - 6.3 drivers/usb/serial/mct_u232.c CONFIG_USB
> CONFIG_USB_SERIAL
> CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_MCT_U232 050d:0109 *}
>
> https://linux-hardware.org/?id=usb:050d-0109
>
> That adaptor's LNK LED is on (green).
>
> The Ubuntu PC has DOSBox v0.74-3. It runs the POLAR software OK. That
> can set serial port to COM1 or COM2.
>
> DOSBox Wiki says this.
>
> {Configuration:SerialPort
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>
> serialX = device [parameter:value]
>
> device can be: dummy | modem | nullmodem | directserial
> parameter is: irq
> value is:
>
> for directserial: realport (required), rxdelay (optional).
> for modem: listenport (optional).
> for nullmodem: server, rxdelay, txdelay, telnet, usedtr,
> transparent, port, inhsocket (all optional).
>
> Defaults:
> serial1=dummy
> serial2=dummy
> serial3=disabled
> serial4=disabled
>
> An example of how to configure an actual serial port for I/O use:
>
> serial1=directserial realport:com1}
>
> So in DOSBox, I enter that last line.
>
> Then I launch the POLAR software.
> And I check its default serial port:
> "THE SELECTED SERIAL PORT FOR HR INPUT IS: COM1".
>
> Then I instruct the heart monitor to transmit data. And the adapter's RX
> LED illuminates red. But the POLAR software fails to detect data!
>
> Please advise.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
AFAICT, the FDNET package contains packet drivers for (16-bit?) NE2000 and PCnet ethernet cards. The crynwr package has several dozen other packet drivers. If we knew the exact Thinkpad model, we could advise you better. http://crynwr.com/drivers/00index.html WRT saving items to floppy, are you considering a hard drive install or booting from floppy only? On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 12:46 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > meaning that packet drivers are included in packages, or that I will need > to hunt them? > also, is there a install copy that lets me save items to floppies? > > > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2023, Rugxulo via Freedos-user wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user > > wrote: > >> > >> My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the > >> thinkpad. > >> My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking > >> infrastructure in the system itself? > > > > No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers > > (usually for old hardware). > > > > > > ___ > > Freedos-user mailing list > > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > >___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Correct and it would help to know which machine you are choosing. On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 11:02 AM Rugxulo via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user > wrote: > > > > My goal is supporting the built in Ethernet infrastructure on the > > thinkpad. > > My understanding, perhaps incorrect, is that freedos has networking > > infrastructure in the system itself? > > No, FreeDOS isn't special, it just uses pre-existing packet drivers > (usually for old hardware). > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Basic freedos question before I try this?
Depends on the vintage of Thinkpad, but I wouldn't just assume a Thinkpad has a DOS compatible Ethernet card. I would verify. On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 10:08 AM Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user < freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Hi folks, > Due to some layered power issues in my new apartment, I am considering > installing Freedos onto a laptop as a backup for my desktop computer. > My main reason for considering this is the likelihood, given its an IBM > Thinkpad, that Freedos networking should work for the onboard Ethernet > setup. Meaning I will not need to find a different Ethernet card for this. > Am I correct? > Thanks, > Karen > > > > > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
