Re: [Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
Hi, Well, at least while those fancy 64-bit processors start at 16-bit, and have a 32-bit mode that can run tasks in the V86 mode, we are safe. I wonder, however, what will happen once Microsoft start releasing Windows only in the x64 flavour (and drop the x86), and something happens about our old 16-bit BIOS (EFI?). Regards, Aitor 2009/8/13 King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com: As far as I can tell, the last commit in the SVN for the project was in 2007, so it's either abandoned, in hiatus, or going so slowly that no commits have been pushed through in the last two years. Remaking the FreeDOS kernel to be 32-bit might be rather significant, or even to 64-bit, since we are starting to see quite a few 64-bit processors. The only problem with a 64-bit FreeDOS kernel is figuring out how to deal with 16-bit applications. I'd say the best option would be to add a driver/module that would do the exact same thing as user-mode QEMU on Linux: emulate a processor and load it in a hybrid environment. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote: There was an effort to create a 32 bit version of freedos with memory protection and possibly some other features. What is happening with this project? I'm just curious is all. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
2009/8/13 King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com: Remaking the FreeDOS kernel to be 32-bit might be rather significant, or even to 64-bit, since we are starting to see quite a few 64-bit processors. The only problem with a 64-bit FreeDOS kernel is figuring out how to deal with 16-bit applications. I'd say the best option would be to add a driver/module that would do the exact same thing as user-mode QEMU on Linux: emulate a processor and load it in a hybrid environment. Who ever needs a 64-bit version of DOS, especially if you need to emulate an entire processor while achieving it? 32-bit is just fine. I don't know why would anyone switch to 64-bit for DOS, since people don't even use the advantages out. Of course, experimenting with 64-bit is still cool! ;) -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
Op 14-8-2009 13:13, MegaBrutal schreef: Who ever needs a 64-bit version of DOS, especially if you need to emulate an entire processor while achieving it? 32-bit is just fine. I don't know why would anyone switch to 64-bit for DOS, since people don't even use the advantages out. Of course, experimenting with 64-bit is still cool! ;) a Ramdrive that can be larger than 4GB or access beyond 4GB would be nice, requiring some 64bit challenges I think. Got 6GB in this machine at the moment. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
As far as I can tell, the last commit in the SVN for the project was in 2007, so it's either abandoned, in hiatus, or going so slowly that no commits have been pushed through in the last two years. I contacted Salvo a year or so ago and he said there's still work on a new version which will replace the current one. Here's what he wrote me: Salvo Isaja, 2008-05-27: Now proceeding with very slow pace and restarting since the very beginning, mainly due to licensing issues (i.e. the GPL is unadeguate). [note that the GPL is the license of OSLib, not LGPL] Reading some old mailing list archives I found, I think it's something about the licensing of OSLib. As previously discussed in the BTTR Software forum, DOS-C (The FreeDOS Kernel) possibly violates the GPL by allowing to load non-GPL DOS device drivers. Now in FreeDOS-32's architecture the native drivers and applications are linked into the kernel or something, so the OSLib guy said they all have to be licensed under the GPL too when using OSLib. Regards, Christian -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
Wouldn't it have been smarter to request a relicense to LGPL for FreeDOS-32? That would fix his problems On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 3:22 AM, Christian Masloch c...@bttr-software.dewrote: As far as I can tell, the last commit in the SVN for the project was in 2007, so it's either abandoned, in hiatus, or going so slowly that no commits have been pushed through in the last two years. I contacted Salvo a year or so ago and he said there's still work on a new version which will replace the current one. Here's what he wrote me: Salvo Isaja, 2008-05-27: Now proceeding with very slow pace and restarting since the very beginning, mainly due to licensing issues (i.e. the GPL is unadeguate). [note that the GPL is the license of OSLib, not LGPL] Reading some old mailing list archives I found, I think it's something about the licensing of OSLib. As previously discussed in the BTTR Software forum, DOS-C (The FreeDOS Kernel) possibly violates the GPL by allowing to load non-GPL DOS device drivers. Now in FreeDOS-32's architecture the native drivers and applications are linked into the kernel or something, so the OSLib guy said they all have to be licensed under the GPL too when using OSLib. Regards, Christian -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
There was an effort to create a 32 bit version of freedos with memory protection and possibly some other features. What is happening with this project? I'm just curious is all. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Whatever happened to freedos-32?
As far as I can tell, the last commit in the SVN for the project was in 2007, so it's either abandoned, in hiatus, or going so slowly that no commits have been pushed through in the last two years. Remaking the FreeDOS kernel to be 32-bit might be rather significant, or even to 64-bit, since we are starting to see quite a few 64-bit processors. The only problem with a 64-bit FreeDOS kernel is figuring out how to deal with 16-bit applications. I'd say the best option would be to add a driver/module that would do the exact same thing as user-mode QEMU on Linux: emulate a processor and load it in a hybrid environment. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.comwrote: There was an effort to create a 32 bit version of freedos with memory protection and possibly some other features. What is happening with this project? I'm just curious is all. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
