Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:53:37 +0100, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Sorry, I understood that you meant that there's no point in installing FreeDOS in a new machine, and I mentioned a possible situation. I think maybe misunderstanding between idea and languages. FreeDOS can be use on old or new machine, just depends on what you expected in return, maybe someone use a server grade PC to run DOS? Who knows! FreeDOS is aim at 'preserving' the good old DOS compatibility and ALSO improving the compatibility with new hardware architecture. It depends on how much resources we need to invest, new or old? FreeDOS have a good compatibility with old hardware (partial for 8086 and 286, almost full support for 386). That should be enough for most people, of course someone may want to use 286 laptop, then he/she may need to do extra work by choosing the '286 compatible' programs or drivers. FreeDOS is an OpenSource Project, we didn't have a bunch of programmers like Micro$oft working daily, so we have to put the rare resource in the right place. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
RE: Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
Sorry, I understood that you meant that there's no point in installing FreeDOS in a new machine, and I mentioned a possible situation. Aitor - Mensaje Original - Remitente: GNU_man [EMAIL PROTECTED] Destinatario: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net Fecha: Martes, Marzo 15, 2005 6:57pm Asunto: Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC) I think some people misunderstood what I originally said about FD and old PC's. I didn't say ONLY, i just meant in addition to providing a true DOS O/S for your current computer, FD is is ideal for really old PC's because besides DOS there is not much else you can do with it! For example, I have a 12Mhz 286 that would be completely useless if I didn't have FreeDOS. But I am learning how to program, and an old PC+(Free)DOS is perfect for that, especially assembly language. Finding a legit. version of MS-DOS these days is like finding an honest politician, but thanks to FD you can even study some of the source code to help you learn how to program, not to mention all the added functionality of FD. The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you can actually see the difference in performance between good code and sloppy code. On a more modern machine than my 286, a routine written in interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower than my highly optimized assembler routine! --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
--- GNU_man [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you can actually see the difference in performance between good code and sloppy code. On a more modern machine than my 286, a routine written in interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower than my highly optimized assembler routine! Your approach is commendable. DOS is thriving in all manner of devices, where the economics of assembly code still apply. There is a big unit-cost gap between a 286 vs. 386 single board, and flash storage is expensive. DOS desktoppers are mainly a residual group of users who recognize and appreciate craftsmanship. But there's no money to be made. The choicest pearls are mostly free because the swine prefer MS bloatware. Charlie __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:46 +0100, you wrote: Hi Aitor, Sorry for breaking in ... I disagree. FreeDOS is not suited for old machines, but suited for running DOS16/DOS32 code, as well as you can use WindowsXP to run your Win32 code and Linux to run your Linux code. Have you ever tried to run DOOM or HERETIC in a WinXP dosbox? In my testings it doesn't work (it gets too slow, it's not playable). So I can switch to FreeDOS to run this code. Oh thanks Aitor, you speak the exact words I want to say: FreeDOS is not ONLY for old PC's. FreeDOS aim is capable to run on old PC 'AND ALSO' new PC which have PCI and upcoming PCI-Express, and able to bring the old DOS program to the latest hardware. Furthermore, FreeDOS can run some standalone tools to rescue data, making backups (such as GHOST or USB hard disk copy) and even system diagnostic, RAM test ... etc. Thanks everyone who contribute to improve FreeDOS, and I keep up reading FreeDOS32 news, hoping to see a stronger DOS working environment. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] XMS Manager on '286 (FreeDOS not ONLY for old PC)
Johnson Lam wrote: On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 14:29:46 +0100, you wrote: Hi Aitor, Sorry for breaking in ... I disagree. FreeDOS is not "suited for old machines", but "suited for running DOS16/DOS32 code", as well as you can use WindowsXP to run your Win32 code and Linux to run your Linux code. Have you ever tried to run DOOM or HERETIC in a WinXP dosbox? In my testings it doesn't work (it gets too slow, it's not playable). So I can switch to FreeDOS to run this code. Oh thanks Aitor, you speak the exact words I want to say: FreeDOS is not ONLY for old PC's. FreeDOS aim is capable to run on old PC 'AND ALSO' new PC which have PCI and upcoming PCI-Express, and able to bring the old DOS program to the latest hardware. Furthermore, FreeDOS can run some standalone tools to rescue data, making backups (such as GHOST or USB hard disk copy) and even system diagnostic, RAM test ... etc. Thanks everyone who contribute to improve FreeDOS, and I keep up reading FreeDOS32 news, hoping to see a stronger DOS working environment. Rgds, Johnson. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user I think some people misunderstood what I originally said about FD and old PC's. I didn't say ONLY, i just meant in addition to providing a true DOS O/S for your current computer, FD is is "ideal" for really old PC's because besides DOS there is not much else you can do with it! For example, I have a 12Mhz 286 that would be completely useless if I didn't have FreeDOS. But I am learning how to program, and an old PC+(Free)DOS is perfect for that, especially assembly language. Finding a legit. version of MS-DOS these days is like finding an honest politician, but thanks to FD you can even study some of the source code to help you learn how to program, not to mention all the added functionality of FD. The reason I like using such a slow PC is that you can actually see the difference in performance between good code and sloppy code. On a more modern machine than my 286, a routine written in interpreted QBasic would appear to run no slower than my highly optimized assembler routine!
