Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-18 Thread Bill Haught
So, even though I can't access the hard drive in Freecdos, the firmware update 
should work?




On Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:57 PM, tomehlert t...@tomehlert.de wrote:

 As I mentioned earlier, Freedos requires a ATA legacy mode in BIOS, which I 
 don't have.
wrong.

 Found this in the archives
 http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/26625851/

  UIDE/UIDEJR can run AHCI drives on mainboards that have a legacy or 
 native IDE
  setting for AHCI controllers, i.e. the drives can be addressed
 using standard SATA/IDE I-O logic.

right.  UIDE doesn't work on AHCI controllers - and isn´t required for
FreeDOS.
FreeDOS is perfectly happy without UIDE.
(UIDE might even get in the way of updating your HD firmware.)

AS SAID BEFORE
 search for RUFUS (RUFUS_v1.2)
 install to USB key

 add your WD files
 boot from USB key


your  'update  HD  Firmware'  Software should take care about anything
else (even only to tell you 'this software requires windows')

Tom






  On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:01 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net 
wrote:
  


 Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX. 
  The file R313263.exe extracts
 to C:\dell\drivers\R313263.  The readme.txt in the directory is as follows:


 THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND  TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES
 AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED
 ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH
 RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT
 LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN
 ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.  
  
 WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN
 CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING
 WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
  AND
 INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.





 Installation  

 1. Extract .zip file to a known path
 2. Copy WD.bat and WD4082.exe to root directory of a bootable USB key.
 3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
 4. Type WD and hit Enter.
 5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.

 Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical 
 version.



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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-18 Thread Tom Ehlert
 So, even though I can't access the hard drive in Freecdos,
you can access the harddrive from FreeDOS
 the firmware update should work?
I don't have the faintest idea if the firmware update will work, but
YES





 On Thursday, July 17, 2014 7:57 PM, tomehlert t...@tomehlert.de wrote:

 As I mentioned earlier, Freedos requires a ATA legacy mode in BIOS, which I 
 don't have.
 wrong.

 Found this in the archives
 http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/26625851/

  UIDE/UIDEJR can run AHCI drives on mainboards that have a legacy or 
 native IDE
  setting for AHCI controllers, i.e. the drives can be addressed
 using standard SATA/IDE I-O logic.

 right.  UIDE doesn't work on AHCI controllers - and isn´t required for
 FreeDOS.
 FreeDOS is perfectly happy without UIDE.
 (UIDE might even get in the way of updating your HD firmware.)

 AS SAID BEFORE
 search for RUFUS (RUFUS_v1.2)
 install to USB key

 add your WD files
 boot from USB key


 your  'update  HD  Firmware'  Software should take care about anything
 else (even only to tell you 'this software requires windows')

 Tom






  On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:01 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net 
wrote:
  


 Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX. 
  The file R313263.exe extracts
 to C:\dell\drivers\R313263.  The readme.txt in the directory is as follows:


 THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND  TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES
 AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED
 ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH
 RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT
 LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN
 ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.  
  
 WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN
 CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING
 WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE
  AND
 INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.





 Installation  

 1. Extract .zip file to a known path
 2. Copy WD.bat and WD4082.exe to root directory of a bootable USB key.
 3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
 4. Type WD and hit Enter.
 5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.

 Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical 
 version.



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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Christopher Evans
When flashing bios you want to be bare bones because a driver / tsr can
interfere with the process and brick your mobo.


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 On 2014-07-16 18:55 (GMT-0700) Louis Santillan composed:

  Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
  try booting from cd.

 I wouldn't try that myself except as an absolutely last resort. Most flash
 utilities that come with any documentation warn that DOS needs to be loaded
 with empty CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Totally empty is probably overkill,
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Bill Haught
The main reason I want Freedos is to flash my hard drive with the latest 
firmware.  I assume that the hard drive cannot be found for this purpose 
without legacy ATA support.  I suppose unnecessary drivers (or worse necessary 
ones?) can brick a hard drive too? 

I wonder if it would be better if companies such as Western Digital provide a 
Linux image or ISO or something?

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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Bill Haught
Found this in the archives 
http://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/message/26625851/

 UIDE/UIDEJR can run AHCI drives on mainboards that have a legacy or native 
IDE
 setting for AHCI controllers, i.e. the drives can be addressed using standard 
SATA/IDE I-O logic.

In simple terms, I'm screwed.

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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Zbigniew
2014-07-17 16:02 GMT+02:00, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net:

 The main reason I want Freedos is to flash my hard drive with the latest
 firmware.  I assume that the hard drive cannot be found for this purpose
 without legacy ATA support.

Maybe the best idea could be... to call techsupport of the
manufacturer (or distributor)? AFAIR 2 years ago I was flashing 2 HDDs
directly from within Windows (they were Seagate). Maybe there are
other ways to do this too - I think their tech guys surely can explain
them.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Louis Santillan
I would assume the oem hdd flash software would detect if you're attempting
to flash a non-visible/non-existent drive.  The flashing instructions on
the Dell site (
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/Drivers/DriversDetails?driverId=NJKYFfileId=3176063597osCode=W764productCode=studio-xps-7100languageCode=ENcategoryId=SA)
do not indicate that you need to install DOS to flash the firmware.  Try
finding your drive (
http://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/19/product-support/product/studio-xps-7100/drivers)
and following the instructions for it.


On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 7:02 AM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:

 The main reason I want Freedos is to flash my hard drive with the latest
 firmware.  I assume that the hard drive cannot be found for this purpose
 without legacy ATA support.  I suppose unnecessary drivers (or worse
 necessary ones?) can brick a hard drive too?

 I wonder if it would be better if companies such as Western Digital
 provide a Linux image or ISO or something?


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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Bill Haught
Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX.  The file R313263.exe extracts to 
C:\dell\drivers\R313263.  The readme.txt in the directory is as follows:

THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES AND 
MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS-IS” 
BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION 
UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE 
THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. 
 
WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN CONNECTION WITH 
THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, 
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR 
OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.





Installation 

1. Extract .zip file to a known path
2. Copy WD.bat and WD4082.exe to root directory of a bootable USB key.
3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
4. Type WD and hit Enter.
5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.

Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical 
version.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Bill Haught
The readme says bootable USB key  I assume they mean a DOS one. Especially 
due to licensing issues making one that boots Windows is a *REAL* project.l 



On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:01 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:
 


Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX.  The file R313263.exe extracts to 
C:\dell\drivers\R313263.  The readme.txt in the directory is as follows:

THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES AND 
MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED ON AN “AS-IS” 
BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION 
UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE 
THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. 
 
WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN CONNECTION WITH 
THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, 
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR 
OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.





Installation 

1. Extract .zip file to a known path
2. Copy WD.bat and WD4082.exe to root directory of a bootable USB key.
3. Boot
 from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
4. Type WD and hit Enter.
5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.

Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical 
version.


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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Tom Ehlert



 The readme says bootable USB key  I assume they mean a DOS one.
 Especially due to licensing issues making one that boots Windows is a *REAL* 
 project.l

search for RUFUS (RUFUS_v1.2)
install to USB key

add your WD files
boot from USB key

Tom





  On Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:01 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net 
 wrote:
   


 Mine is a Western Digital WD10EALX.  The file R313263.exe extracts
 to C:\dell\drivers\R313263.  The readme.txt in the directory is as follows:


 THE INFORMATION, FIRMWARE AND  TOOLS, AND ALL ASSOCIATED UPDATES
 AND MODIFICATIONS (THE “INFORMATION”), CONTAINED HEREIN IS PROVIDED
 ON AN “AS-IS” BASIS AND WD ASSUMES NO LIABILITY WHATSOEVER WITH
 RESPECT TO SUCH INFORMATION UNDER ANY CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE, STRICT
 LIABILITY OR OTHER LEGAL OR EQUITABLE THEORY, EVEN IF WD HAS BEEN
 ADVISED ON THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.  
  
 WD EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS ALL EXPRESS AND IMPLIED WARRANTIES IN
 CONNECTION WITH THE INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN, INCLUDING
 WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND
 INFRINGEMENT OF ANY PATENT, COPYRIGHT OR OTHER INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHT.





 Installation  

 1. Extract .zip file to a known path
 2. Copy WD.bat and WD4082.exe to root directory of a bootable USB key.
 3. Boot from USB key and ensure drive path includes WD.bat and WD4082.exe.
 4. Type WD and hit Enter.
 5. Firmware update will provide messaging indicating successful update.

 Note: Update checks current firmware version and will not run on identical 
 version.



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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread dmccunney
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:

The readme says bootable USB key  I assume they mean a DOS one.
 Especially due to licensing issues making one that
boots Windows is a *REAL* project.l

 Or maybe not.  Apparently with Vista and 7 it is easy to copy the
 Installation disk to a USB flash drive judging from what I just found
 searching the Net.

Or maybe so.

Note that says installation disk.  That means you can potentially
start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive.  It does not mean you
can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
thumbdrive.

It's the last thing MS would want: Windows is licensed per machine.
Install it to a drive, then move that drive to a different machine,
and Windows will recognize it's in a new environment and want to be
re-authenticated.

If you want an OS that will boot and run from a USB drive, you
probably use Linux.

Incidentally, why do you need to flash the BIOS on the WD drive?

If the drive is performing as expected, it might not be necessary.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Bill Haught

dmccunney:
Note that says installation disk.  That means you can potentially
start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive.  It does not mean you
can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
thumbdrive.

Me:
If I can copy files to the flash drive
and get to a DOS prompt and run a program such as a firmware update 
I'm happy.  I don't need a portable Windows installation.  My guess 
though is that it is a DOS program, in which case I expect the computer 
to freeze before bricking the hard drive. 


Incidentally, why do you need to flash the BIOS on the WD drive?

If the drive is performing as expected, it might not be necessary.
Does the BIOS update provide something you have to have?

I can probably do without.  It doesn't really seem worth all this effort.  I 
like to keep everything up to date.


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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread Bill Haught
dmccunney:
Note that says installation disk.  That means you can potentially
start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive.  It does not mean you
can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
thumbdrive.

Me: If I can copy files to the flash drive and get to a DOS prompt and run a 
program such as a firmware update I'm happy.  I don't need a portable Windows 
installation.  Even the installation disk allows you to get to the C:\. My 
guess though is that it is a DOS program, in which case I expect the computer 
to freeze before bricking the hard drive.

I can probably do without.  It doesn't really seem worth all this effort.  I 
like to keep everything up to date.

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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-17 Thread dmccunney
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Bill Haught wlhaughtpr...@att.net wrote:
 dmccunney:
 Note that says installation disk.  That means you can potentially
 start an install of Vista/7 from a USB drive.  It does not mean you
 can create a portable Windows installation that will *run* from a
 thumbdrive.

 Me: If I can copy files to the flash drive and get to a DOS prompt and run 
 a program such as a firmware update I'm happy.  I don't need a portable 
 Windows installation.  Even the installation disk allows you to get to the 
 C:\. My guess though is that it is a DOS program, in which case I expect the 
 computer to freeze before bricking the hard drive.

The issue isn't that it's a DOS program - it's that it needs sole
access to and control of the drive while it does the firmware update.
That *can't* be done from Windows, which is why you boot from bootable
media running something like DOS, and all DOS does is serve as a
loader to run the update program that flashes the drive BIOS with an
updated image.

 I can probably do without.  It doesn't really seem worth all this effort.  I 
 like to keep everything up to date.

So do I.  But updates like that I've seen have been compatibility
fixes for particular systems.  Ivf you don't have one of those
systems, you don't need to apply the update, as it doesn't get you
anything you don't already have.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support (was: Rufus error messages)

2014-07-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-07-16 17:18 (GMT-0700) Bill Haught composed:

 Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID

 Looks like I'm S.O.L.

BIOS has no mention of IDE or Legacy anywhere at all? If not, I would think 
AHCI would include some degree of legacy support.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support (was: Rufus error messages)

2014-07-16 Thread Louis Santillan
Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
try booting from cd.

On Wednesday, July 16, 2014, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote:

 On 2014-07-16 17:18 (GMT-0700) Bill Haught composed:

  Only SATA Modes available are AHCI and RAID

  Looks like I'm S.O.L.

 BIOS has no mention of IDE or Legacy anywhere at all? If not, I would think
 AHCI would include some degree of legacy support.
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Re: [Freedos-user] legacy ATA support

2014-07-16 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-07-16 18:55 (GMT-0700) Louis Santillan composed:

 Also you try booting with uide as Rugxulo mention (config.sys) or
 try booting from cd.

I wouldn't try that myself except as an absolutely last resort. Most flash 
utilities that come with any documentation warn that DOS needs to be loaded 
with empty CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. Totally empty is probably overkill, 
but who knows what might be unsafe?
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