Re: [Freedos-user] re: FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Hi Kenneth, (this message just appeared, else I would have answered sooner) Yes, I's used a different alias for this list so I could filter, and didn't realize it was being blocked. (anti-spam measure). My fault. the rest of the site is where I post my FreeDOS related stuff, or anyone else who has expressed an interest but doesn't have hosting abilities; in particular, official distributions would be here first then I'd mirror to ibiblio, I have boot disks (trying to get people to use alternate disk images than the install one), and currently where I upload near daily cvs builds of the kernel freecom. Sounds good. Presently only the kernel umbpci are easily updated, but with upcoming changes, I will be able to automatically update multiple locations (disk images, iso, downloads) by a single commit of updated sources. I can detail my work in progress for the curious, but that's a separate thread. Yes, I think that's the problem with all the builds, they go out of date too quick, and it's impossible to track versions properly. At present I'm just running which ever hacked-up files do the job, but that means I can't say I'm running FreeDOS x.xx, it's just a bunch of jumbled up files that happens to work on the latest expensive hardware. http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/ OK, this is nice, but how are people supposed to find it from the main freedos.org site? Thanks for the USB links, I've made a note of them for tomorrow. -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Hi Eric, you should try ODIN or the bootdisks on fdos.org (fdos.org/kernel/ also has the newest kernel and shell versions, More zip files, more URLs! http://fd-odin.dosius.com/ (says it's the primary but I get DNS lookup failure) http://odin.fdos.org/ (this one seems to work) http://www.ibiblio.org/ (who knows?) http://sourceforce.net/ (various) http://www.fdos.org/ (says it's a mirror but looks different) http://www.freedos.org/ (seems to be down right now) Then they all have links to even more links, and some go round in circles, way too much information for my type of brain. In short, ODIN has the very strange property of defaulting to F5 style boot. But it has lots of software included, while the fdos.org boot- disks are very bare :-). I think that's what I need, the bare boot disks. I didn't find them while browsing www.freedos.org, but I'll check the other sites. I found the official CD-ROM image and FDos1440.img files were too complicated, but I understand some people want installable versions that automatically detect hardware. PS: You should try emm386 instead of umbpci - both can have DMA issues with UMBs, but emm386 works on all 386+ systems while umbpci does not support all hardware and can sometimes create slow (uncached) UMBs. Get it at ftp://ftp.devoresoftware.com/ (newest is emmx204, contains EMM386 2.04 and HIMEM 3.11). I have tried both, but PQMagic.exe gets in a strop if EMM386 is running and some Dell firmware updates don't like EMM386. Some Dell hardware also does not seem happy with it in the context of USB. To be honest, I thought UMBPCI was a crazy idea, especially as it's locked to certain chipsets. I'm just amazed how it can work so well on every type of expensive hardware I can find. I'm expecting all the RAM to be over-written or conflict with EEPROMS, but so far it hasn't happened. PPS: DOS will just ignore RAM above 4 GB and 2nd CPUs and hyperthreading. And the partitioning scheme is limited to 2 TeraBytes. Try UDMA2 sys :-). Yes, but the wonderful thing, is the FreeDOS will still WORK with 4Gb RAM whereas Microsoft's DOS v6 seems to fall apart, and especially anything to do with high and extended memory. Regarding UDMA2.SYS, I'd like to try it out, but does it work with SCSI? Nearly all my stuff uses SCSI drives. (of course you can also work without any UMBPCI/EMM386... I prefer the usbaspi4 and aspidisk drivers for USB, by the way, even DEVLOADable well) These are news to me! Do you ahve URLs? I'm having problems with USB on machines that don't support it in BIOS properly such as ASUS A7V333. -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] re: FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
(this message just appeared, else I would have answered sooner) Gerry Hickman wrote: Hi Eric, you should try ODIN or the bootdisks on fdos.org (fdos.org/kernel/ also has the newest kernel and shell versions, More zip files, more URLs! http://fd-odin.dosius.com/ (says it's the primary but I get DNS lookup failure) this is the original site where the Odin distribution was published http://odin.fdos.org/ (this one seems to work) http://www.ibiblio.org/ (who knows?) http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1disk/odin060/ these are mirrors of the Odin distribution, though now seem to be the primary locations (the fdos one also has the old versions) http://sourceforce.net/ (various) http://www.fdos.org/ (says it's a mirror but looks different) it is both; it mirrors the main freedos.org site, visit http://www.fdos.org/freedos.html or for the Spanish (little outdated) http://www.fdos.org/es/FreeDOS.htm the rest of the site is where I post my FreeDOS related stuff, or anyone else who has expressed an interest but doesn't have hosting abilities; in particular, official distributions would be here first then I'd mirror to ibiblio, I have boot disks (trying to get people to use alternate disk images than the install one), and currently where I upload near daily cvs builds of the kernel freecom. http://www.freedos.org/ (seems to be down right now) probably visited during the move? Then they all have links to even more links, and some go round in circles, way too much information for my type of brain. :-) Your not the only one, but some days its fun just following them, even revisiting old information I'd forgotten In short, ODIN has the very strange property of defaulting to F5 style boot. But it has lots of software included, while the fdos.org boot- disks are very bare :-). I generally have more to do than I have time, so I try to setup builds available on my sites to be automatic; periodically checking on them. So the fdos.org ones are generated from a script, shortly it will be easy for me to add other FreeDOS programs and ensure they are updated. Presently only the kernel umbpci are easily updated, but with upcoming changes, I will be able to automatically update multiple locations (disk images, iso, downloads) by a single commit of updated sources. I can detail my work in progress for the curious, but that's a separate thread. I think that's what I need, the bare boot disks. I didn't find them while browsing www.freedos.org, but I'll check the other sites. I found http://www.fdos.org/bootdisks/ the official CD-ROM image and FDos1440.img files were too complicated, but I understand some people want installable versions that automatically detect hardware. ... (of course you can also work without any UMBPCI/EMM386... I prefer the usbaspi4 and aspidisk drivers for USB, by the way, even DEVLOADable well) These are news to me! Do you ahve URLs? I'm having problems with USB on machines that don't support it in BIOS properly such as ASUS A7V333. I believe aspidisk is included with ASPI drivers; I know source to a basic one is available with Adaptec's ASPI sdk, but I don't recall any exact links offhand. A couple USB [for DOS] sites (mostly contain duplicate information, a few links no longer work, and it should be noted I haven't tried any of them, not using USB myself): http://www.stefan2000.com/darkehorse/PC/DOS/Drivers/USB/ http://www.computing.net/dos/wwwboard/forum/13288.html ftp://ftp.pierskalla.com/pub/dosusb/installing_windows_using_usb_con.htm http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.os.free-dos/browse_thread/thread/ca7e1c4a17c8 http://www.bootdisk.com/usb.htm http://www.georgpotthast.de/usb/index.htm http://www.lvr.com/usb.htm http://www.usb.org/ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] re: FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Hi, to get plain boot disks (the ones on the ISO image download area are indeed meant only as helpers with the install-from-CD-ROM process) you should try ODIN or the bootdisks on fdos.org (fdos.org/kernel/ also has the newest kernel and shell versions, but avoid the 386-optimized and experimental ones...). One caveat for ODIN: You either have to delete fdconfig sys or edit it - normally FreeDOS first looks at fdconfig sys, and only if none is found, config sys is processed. Plus the ODIN fdconfig sys has a SHELL line which selects no autoexec. In short, ODIN has the very strange property of defaulting to F5 style boot. But it has lots of software included, while the fdos.org boot- disks are very bare :-). You can also check the NwDsk bootdisk on veder.com, of which FreeDOS-based versions are available as well. Eric PS: You should try emm386 instead of umbpci - both can have DMA issues with UMBs, but emm386 works on all 386+ systems while umbpci does not support all hardware and can sometimes create slow (uncached) UMBs. Get it at ftp://ftp.devoresoftware.com/ (newest is emmx204, contains EMM386 2.04 and HIMEM 3.11). PPS: DOS will just ignore RAM above 4 GB and 2nd CPUs and hyperthreading. And the partitioning scheme is limited to 2 TeraBytes. Try UDMA2 sys :-). (of course you can also work without any UMBPCI/EMM386... I prefer the usbaspi4 and aspidisk drivers for USB, by the way, even DEVLOADable well) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
