Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts
Em 27/11/2012 13:16, thraex escreveu: Hi there, I recently gave FreeDOS a try on VirtualBox (which was running on Ubuntu 12.04). The installation went almost entirely fine, but I think I spotted a problem when the user chooses Turkish layouts for his or her keyboard. In fact two Turkish layouts are offered. One is the number 19 and is simply mentioned as Turkish, the other is the number 59 and is mentioned as Turkish (Qwerty). Here are some links to relevant parts of the installation process, firstly for the number 19 and then for 59. Sorry for posting screenshots for plain text screens, but I couldn't find an easy way to copypaste their content. http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwMA/Screenshot_fd_keyboard_19.gif http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwMg/Screenshot-2_fd_keyboard_19.gif http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwMw/Screenshot-1_fd_59_Turkish_Qwerty.gif http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwNA/Screenshot-2_fd_59_Turkish_Qwerty.gif You can see the error messages, on the first screenshot of each series you have could not find country info for country ID 1 and on the second image you have different errors. If the user chooses 19, the result seems to be a good old *English* QWERTY keyboard. If the choice is 59, things seem to work fine despite the error messages (the layout is OK). I can't say much more than this but since I use the Turkish QWERTY layout, I wanted to bring this to your attention. If I can do something more, feel free to say it. PS: One more thing: if the first layout (19) was supposed to be the Turkish F, I think it should be swapped with the QWERTY (59). In Turkey, roughly around 90% of keyboards are the Turkish QWERTY variant, and the remaining 10% is the Turkish F variant which is supposed to fit the language better. Most operating systems consider Turkish with no additional precision as the Turkish QWERTY, the F keyboard is often an option, not the default. Therefore, the first choice should probably be the Turkish QWERTY. Merhaba Thraex, please try this, on the command prompt: KEYB TR. That should load the turkish QWERTY layout; if you're familiar with editting AUTOEXEC.BAT, I suggest you include KEYB TR (without quotes) there. You mentioned error messages; could you please tell me what are they? Thanks, Henrique -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts
Em 27/11/2012 13:16, thraex escreveu: Hi there, I recently gave FreeDOS a try on VirtualBox (which was running on Ubuntu 12.04). The installation went almost entirely fine, but I think I spotted a problem when the user chooses Turkish layouts for his or her keyboard. In fact two Turkish layouts are offered. One is the number 19 and is simply mentioned as Turkish, the other is the number 59 and is mentioned as Turkish (Qwerty). Here are some links to relevant parts of the installation process, firstly for the number 19 and then for 59. Sorry for posting screenshots for plain text screens, but I couldn't find an easy way to copypaste their content. http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwMA/Screenshot_fd_keyboard_19.gif http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwMg/Screenshot-2_fd_keyboard_19.gif http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwMw/Screenshot-1_fd_59_Turkish_Qwerty.gif http://ompldr.org/vZ2gwNA/Screenshot-2_fd_59_Turkish_Qwerty.gif You can see the error messages, on the first screenshot of each series you have could not find country info for country ID 1 and on the second image you have different errors. If the user chooses 19, the result seems to be a good old *English* QWERTY keyboard. If the choice is 59, things seem to work fine despite the error messages (the layout is OK). I can't say much more than this but since I use the Turkish QWERTY layout, I wanted to bring this to your attention. If I can do something more, feel free to say it. PS: One more thing: if the first layout (19) was supposed to be the Turkish F, I think it should be swapped with the QWERTY (59). In Turkey, roughly around 90% of keyboards are the Turkish QWERTY variant, and the remaining 10% is the Turkish F variant which is supposed to fit the language better. Most operating systems consider Turkish with no additional precision as the Turkish QWERTY, the F keyboard is often an option, not the default. Therefore, the first choice should probably be the Turkish QWERTY. Merhaba Thraex, I was impulsive on replying and didn't notice the links you sent; sorry. I have read the error message on the TR layout. You've tried to use the turkish QWERTY layout with codepage 437. It seems you forgot to prepare and select one of the codepages available for that layout, of which two being particularly suitable both for the turkish and kurdish languages: 857 and 853. Henrique -- Monitor your physical, virtual and cloud infrastructure from a single web console. Get in-depth insight into apps, servers, databases, vmware, SAP, cloud infrastructure, etc. Download 30-day Free Trial. Pricing starts from $795 for 25 servers or applications! http://p.sf.net/sfu/zoho_dev2dev_nov ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts
On 27/11/12 19:47, Henrique Peron wrote: Em 27/11/2012 13:16, thraex escreveu: Merhaba Thraex, Merhaba Henrique :) I was impulsive on replying and didn't notice the links you sent; sorry. I have read the error message on the TR layout. Er, which one? When I choose option 19 during the install process, the keyboard layout is an English QWERTY, when I choose 59, although what seemed like error messages to me get displayed, the keyboard layout is correct (Turkish QWERTY) without selecting a codepage. You've tried to use the turkish QWERTY layout with codepage 437. It seems you forgot to prepare and select one of the codepages available for that layout, of which two being particularly suitable both for the turkish and kurdish languages: 857 and 853. Thanks for explaining, but how do I select these codepages? Also, please note that the case I reported happens right after a normal installation of FreeDOS, therefore I was wondering whether there's something that needs to be fixed or adjusted so that if the user chooses these layouts, things will work without additional configuration (or an information indicating that some additional configuration is needed will be displayed). If it's possible for you, IMHO the best mean to examine the bug is to install FreeDOS on your side with say VirtualBox and choose keyboard option 19, then do the same with option 59 and see if the installation process is OK for you. If not, the good news would be that things can be improved :) Çok teşekkürler. -- -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: DESIGN Expert tips on starting your parallel project right. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] [Spam] Possible problem with Turkish keyboard layouts
Hi, On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 1:37 PM, thraex thr...@numericable.fr wrote: On 27/11/12 19:47, Henrique Peron wrote: Thanks for explaining, but how do I select these codepages? Also, please note that the case I reported happens right after a normal installation of FreeDOS, therefore I was wondering whether there's something that needs to be fixed or adjusted so that if the user chooses these layouts, things will work without additional configuration (or an information indicating that some additional configuration is needed will be displayed). The installer is just a best guess type of thing, not perfect by any stretch. It may be trite to assume users are already familiar with DOS, but that's somewhat implied. http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/mode.htm But here's a partial (better?) solution: === set CPIDIR=%DOSDIR%\cpi display con=(ega,,3) mode con cp prep=((853) %CPIDIR%\ega.cpx) mode con cp prep=((,737,869) %CPIDIR%\ega5.cpx) mode con cp sel=%DEFAULT% set CPIDIR= if %DEFAULT%==853 keyb us,,%DOSDIR%\keyboard.sys if not %DEFAULT%==853 keyb gk,,%DOSDIR%\keybrd2.sys echo. echo KEYB: Ctrl-Alt-F1 to disable or Ctrl-Alt-F2 to re-enable! echo. === P.S. More specifically, it would be nice to know which codepage(s) and keyboard layouts you personally intend to use for your language. (Or did I miss that part?) :-) -- Keep yourself connected to Go Parallel: INSIGHTS What's next for parallel hardware, programming and related areas? Interviews and blogs by thought leaders keep you ahead of the curve. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
