Re: [Freedos-user] Offering software to the FreeDOS official distribution: Terminal Matrix 8086, DeciMatrix 8086 and QDot 8086

2015-08-25 Thread Mateusz Viste
I think what Tom is saying (and to what I totally agree), is that 
without an internet connection, and a modern browser, a DOS user has no 
chance to even run the program (because of the password). Further 'game' 
is compromised as well, since there is no way to know what one is 
supposed to type in the shell.

I understand there might be some bigger concept somewhere in the 
background, but a game must be - well - playable. Terminal Matrix, as 
well coded as it might be, is simply not targeted to a general audience.

Have anyone other than you actually played this game?

I'm switching to the user list to stop polluting the devel group.

Mateusz




On 25/08/2015 18:52, Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro wrote:
 Hi Tom!

 Em Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:35:39 +0200
 Tom Ehlert t...@drivesnapshot.de escreveu:

 it looks like this game is playable only when connected to the world
 wide web.

 That's just not true, and I've stated so in the package's homepage:

No network card or any other type of communication peripheral is
 required besides a screen and a keyboard.
 ...
 Those almost insanely modest requirements blow the minds of
 skeptical people, because no one can explain how this program's
 great feats are technologically achievable.



On 25/08/2015 16:53, Mateusz Viste wrote:
  Okay, I tried it. And I'm lost.
 
  First, I started the game, and I got stuck on a login/password screen. I
  tried several combinations, none worked. No way out. Had to switch off
  the computer. This alone can be seen as a real nuisance.
 
  Second attempt - I read on your website the login and password (how
  would someone figure it out when getting the program from anywhere else
  than directly from your website?)
  The login/password works. I got in a shell where I can run a matrix-like
  screensaver, clear the screen, or exit back to DOS. Any other command I
  tried to type ended with a blinking NO REPLY message.
 
  I really don't get it. I might be missing something, since I am not much
  into intelectual games, but I find the Terminal Matrix experience highly
  frustrating.
 
  If I understand it right, this is some kind of shell prototype, right?
  But then, maybe could you actually turn it into something useful, like
  maybe an interactive fiction engine or so? As such, a prototype is
  likely to be of any interest only to you.
 
  BTW, you might want to announce such stuff rather on the FreeDOS user
  list. FreeDOS-devel is rather about development.
 
  cheers,
  Mateusz



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Re: [Freedos-user] Offering software to the FreeDOS official distribution: Terminal Matrix 8086, DeciMatrix 8086 and QDot 8086

2015-08-25 Thread Bruno Félix Rezende Ribeiro
Em Tue, 25 Aug 2015 19:58:10 +0200
Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr escreveu:

 I think what Tom is saying (and to what I totally agree), is that 
 without an internet connection, and a modern browser, a DOS user has
 no chance to even run the program (because of the password).

This is easy to overcome.  We could just include a 'README' file
mirroring the homepage contents within the distributed software
package.


 Further 'game' is compromised as well, since there is no way to know
 what one is supposed to type in the shell.

Believe you or not, that's a major feature of the game. ;-) Moreover,
there is a way to know: it's free software --- the source code is
available.


 I understand there might be some bigger concept somewhere in the 
 background, but a game must be - well - playable. Terminal Matrix, as 
 well coded as it might be, is simply not targeted to a general
 audience.

I see.


 Have anyone other than you actually played this game?

In the net abroad, not that I'm aware about.  However, I've just
published it, and it didn't get much promotion yet.  I expect that as
the program get distributed and more people get to know it, the number
of effective players will increase.


== Context Below =


 Em Tue, 25 Aug 2015 16:53:00 +0200
 Mateusz Viste mate...@viste.fr escreveu:
 
  Okay, I tried it. And I'm lost.
 
 That's expected.  The loose wording in TM's homepage is part of the
 game.  It plays a dual role: keep the wrong-minded people out and
 invite the right-minded people in.  The truth is hidden within the
 lines of those paragraphs and deep inside the program's source code.
 
 
  First, I started the game, and I got stuck on a login/password
  screen. I tried several combinations, none worked. No way out. Had
  to switch off the computer. This alone can be seen as a real
  nuisance.
 
 That's true.  I'll consider this as a feature request for the next
 release. ;-)
 
 
  Second attempt - I read on your website the login and password (how 
  would someone figure it out when getting the program from anywhere
  else than directly from your website?)
 
 They should not, unless someone who already has access provides one to
 them.
 
 
  The login/password works. I got in a shell where I can run a
  matrix-like screensaver, clear the screen, or exit back to DOS. Any
  other command I tried to type ended with a blinking NO REPLY
  message.
 
 It seems RIS is not willing to talk to you.
 
 
  I really don't get it. I might be missing something, since I am not
  much into intelectual games, but I find the Terminal Matrix
  experience highly frustrating.
 
 Have you watched the demo session?
 
   http://oitofelix.github.io/terminal-matrix-8086/tm.mp4
 
 
  If I understand it right, this is some kind of shell prototype,
  right? But then, maybe could you actually turn it into something
  useful, like maybe an interactive fiction engine or so? As such, a
  prototype is likely to be of any interest only to you.
 
 It's not a prototype, it's a fully working program as demonstrated in
 that video.
 
 Besides being a terminal of communication to an hyper-dimensional
 being, Terminal Matrix is an experiment in psychology, free software
 development model and remote ideological corroboration.
 
 
  BTW, you might want to announce such stuff rather on the FreeDOS
  user list. FreeDOS-devel is rather about development.
 
 I've already announced it there as well.
 
 
 Thank you for playing TM!


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