Re: [Freeipa-users] Fwd: 2-Factor and services
On 03/02/2015 01:19 AM, Michael Lasevich wrote: There is actually a way to achieve what you most likely want to but not what you are asking for. I do not think there is currently a way to force 2fa based on service or host being authenticated - it is all or nothing. However, if all you want is ability to use 2fa against FreeIPA for OpenVPN authentication and use just password everywhere else - that is actually possible. This is how I achieved this - may not be an ideal setup but it works. As suggested, set up users to support both 2fa and password authentication. Forget about using PAM for OpenVPN authentication - instead use a plug-in script with credentials passed using via-env. You can write the plugin in any language you want (I used Python) and your logic should be something along the lines of: Parse password to separate OTP token from password. Use LDAP to authenticate with just password and then again with password AND OTP token. LDAP authentication happens on the IPA server and will support both methods. Authenticating twice is important to guarantee you do not have a smart-alec user who sets their password to end in 6 digits instead of actually enabling 2fa. Once you have successful authentication, you can use it to perform additional verifications - like checking membership(or lack thereof) in specific group, etc., etc. So, here is something else to think about. You may not want to allow the same accounts access to VPN and to the internal network. There is a reason why this is generally considered a bad practice. If someone, by some means (say another heartbleed-like exploit or some MITM attack or by gaining root access to the VPN serve) gains access to your user's VPN login credentials - the last thing you want is them having a full run of the network using those exact same credentials. Ideally it would be nice if 2fa pin (the non OTP portion of the 2fa) would be DIFFERENT from the password on the same account, but FreeIPA does not support that - at least not at this time. So what I would recommend is using a completely separate account in FreeIPA for VPN access. You can standardize this by using a standard prefix (so that for example user username would have an ext-username account for 2fa use with external authentication) - ext account would have no permissions to any data or internal login, just to access the network from outside and the main account would have no external access. To hack you, someone would then need to hack your OpenVPN box and then would still need to hack your internal authentication - which should be encrypted by TLS/SSH even over the VPN. You can also add the prefix automatically behind the scenes with the OpenVPN authentication script, as well as have the script only allow access for accounts that have no other privileges besides external access. Something to think about. This customization is very specific to the conventions that you choose for yourself to follow. It is not a bad solution, just a bit too custom. HTH, -M On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Dmitri Pal d...@redhat.com mailto:d...@redhat.com wrote: On 02/27/2015 11:37 AM, Matt Wells wrote: I see how that would work but as you mentioned, I no longer have SSO. My desktops are all 3. Linux, Mac and Windows however the Windows systems talk with AD and a trust exists to facilitate those communications and SSO between the systems. It doesn't sound like this is really possible without the heavy loss of functionality. This would be an amazing option to add though. The ability to define a service and prioritize an authentication mechanism. On Mac and Windows you would not get SSO anyways because Kerberos on thos platforms does not support latest RFCs related to 2FA at least yet and since they are proprietary it is unclear what their plans are. The problem we also have is that there is no way to be selective on the KDC/DS side - there is no way to determine what the client is and associate some policies to it. It would have to be the client that would have to have capability to enforce or not enforce 2FA if the server supports both. But again that means that Mac and Windows would have to keep up with this capability. Bottom line it is a popular request but it is unclear how we can satisfy it. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Dmitri Pal d...@redhat.com mailto:d...@redhat.com wrote: On 02/26/2015 12:40 PM, Matt Wells wrote: Had an error on my options for the list and the replies failed to get to me. We'll see if this reply works. :) @Dmitri - Anyone coming through this service/host (OpenVPN with pam) will be required to use 2-Factor. Their normal logins at their
Re: [Freeipa-users] Fwd: 2-Factor and services
On 02/27/2015 11:37 AM, Matt Wells wrote: I see how that would work but as you mentioned, I no longer have SSO. My desktops are all 3. Linux, Mac and Windows however the Windows systems talk with AD and a trust exists to facilitate those communications and SSO between the systems. It doesn't sound like this is really possible without the heavy loss of functionality. This would be an amazing option to add though. The ability to define a service and prioritize an authentication mechanism. On Mac and Windows you would not get SSO anyways because Kerberos on thos platforms does not support latest RFCs related to 2FA at least yet and since they are proprietary it is unclear what their plans are. The problem we also have is that there is no way to be selective on the KDC/DS side - there is no way to determine what the client is and associate some policies to it. It would have to be the client that would have to have capability to enforce or not enforce 2FA if the server supports both. But again that means that Mac and Windows would have to keep up with this capability. Bottom line it is a popular request but it is unclear how we can satisfy it. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Dmitri Pal d...@redhat.com wrote: On 02/26/2015 12:40 PM, Matt Wells wrote: Had an error on my options for the list and the replies failed to get to me. We'll see if this reply works. :) @Dmitri - Anyone coming through this service/host (OpenVPN with pam) will be required to use 2-Factor. Their normal logins at their desk are not required for 2-factor, it's ok if they use it but it's not required at all. This VPN service is as assumed, exposed to the internet. We're wanting to protect ourselves as best we can with AAA. If we just talking about managing users in IdM and having tokens for them managed in IdM too then the recommendation is: - Set users to use OTP or password (set both check boxes) - Configure VPN to use Kerberos authentication against IPA - that will force use of 2FA with the policy above - Configure computers at the desk to use LDAP (you loose Kerberos SSO) - that would allow single factor with the policy above What are your desktops? Lunux? Mac? Is there any AD involved? --- I've got many of users setup with 2-Factor and I'd like to enforce it with some services. For example. Server vpn.example.com is an openvpn servers setup to use PAM. Since he's tied to my 4.X IDM servers I can use 2-Factor with him. However I want to enforce that users from this system/service require 2-Factor. Can anyone point me in the right direction? My Google Foo is showing to be poor on this one and any guidance would be appreciated. As always thanks for taking the time to read over this. So do you want to use 2FA for some users and 1FA for others or do you want to have flexibility to use 2FA for the same user on one system and not another? Do you plan to use external tokens like RSA or you plan to use native OTP support in IPA? -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager IdM portfolio Red Hat, Inc. -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager IdM portfolio Red Hat, Inc. -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go To http://freeipa.org for more info on the project -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager IdM portfolio Red Hat, Inc. -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go To http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
Re: [Freeipa-users] Fwd: 2-Factor and services
I see how that would work but as you mentioned, I no longer have SSO. My desktops are all 3. Linux, Mac and Windows however the Windows systems talk with AD and a trust exists to facilitate those communications and SSO between the systems. It doesn't sound like this is really possible without the heavy loss of functionality. This would be an amazing option to add though. The ability to define a service and prioritize an authentication mechanism. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:09 PM, Dmitri Pal d...@redhat.com wrote: On 02/26/2015 12:40 PM, Matt Wells wrote: Had an error on my options for the list and the replies failed to get to me. We'll see if this reply works. :) @Dmitri - Anyone coming through this service/host (OpenVPN with pam) will be required to use 2-Factor. Their normal logins at their desk are not required for 2-factor, it's ok if they use it but it's not required at all. This VPN service is as assumed, exposed to the internet. We're wanting to protect ourselves as best we can with AAA. If we just talking about managing users in IdM and having tokens for them managed in IdM too then the recommendation is: - Set users to use OTP or password (set both check boxes) - Configure VPN to use Kerberos authentication against IPA - that will force use of 2FA with the policy above - Configure computers at the desk to use LDAP (you loose Kerberos SSO) - that would allow single factor with the policy above What are your desktops? Lunux? Mac? Is there any AD involved? --- I've got many of users setup with 2-Factor and I'd like to enforce it with some services. For example. Server vpn.example.com is an openvpn servers setup to use PAM. Since he's tied to my 4.X IDM servers I can use 2-Factor with him. However I want to enforce that users from this system/service require 2-Factor. Can anyone point me in the right direction? My Google Foo is showing to be poor on this one and any guidance would be appreciated. As always thanks for taking the time to read over this. So do you want to use 2FA for some users and 1FA for others or do you want to have flexibility to use 2FA for the same user on one system and not another? Do you plan to use external tokens like RSA or you plan to use native OTP support in IPA? -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager IdM portfolio Red Hat, Inc. -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager IdM portfolio Red Hat, Inc. -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go To http://freeipa.org for more info on the project -- Matt Wells Chief Systems Architect RHCVA, RHCA #110-000-353 (702) 808-0424 matt.we...@mosaic451.com Las Vegas | Phoenix | Portland Mosaic451.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This transmittal is a confidential communication or may otherwise be privileged. If you are not intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmittal in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmittal is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify this office, and immediately delete this message and all its attachments, if any. -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go To http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
Re: [Freeipa-users] Fwd: 2-Factor and services
On 02/26/2015 12:40 PM, Matt Wells wrote: Had an error on my options for the list and the replies failed to get to me. We'll see if this reply works. :) @Dmitri - Anyone coming through this service/host (OpenVPN with pam) will be required to use 2-Factor. Their normal logins at their desk are not required for 2-factor, it's ok if they use it but it's not required at all. This VPN service is as assumed, exposed to the internet. We're wanting to protect ourselves as best we can with AAA. If we just talking about managing users in IdM and having tokens for them managed in IdM too then the recommendation is: - Set users to use OTP or password (set both check boxes) - Configure VPN to use Kerberos authentication against IPA - that will force use of 2FA with the policy above - Configure computers at the desk to use LDAP (you loose Kerberos SSO) - that would allow single factor with the policy above What are your desktops? Lunux? Mac? Is there any AD involved? --- I've got many of users setup with 2-Factor and I'd like to enforce it with some services. For example. Server vpn.example.com is an openvpn servers setup to use PAM. Since he's tied to my 4.X IDM servers I can use 2-Factor with him. However I want to enforce that users from this system/service require 2-Factor. Can anyone point me in the right direction? My Google Foo is showing to be poor on this one and any guidance would be appreciated. As always thanks for taking the time to read over this. So do you want to use 2FA for some users and 1FA for others or do you want to have flexibility to use 2FA for the same user on one system and not another? Do you plan to use external tokens like RSA or you plan to use native OTP support in IPA? -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager IdM portfolio Red Hat, Inc. -- Thank you, Dmitri Pal Sr. Engineering Manager IdM portfolio Red Hat, Inc. -- Manage your subscription for the Freeipa-users mailing list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/freeipa-users Go To http://freeipa.org for more info on the project
