Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-08-28 Thread Fidel Vila

Thanks a lot Nick.

It worked like a charm:

recon-all -s struct_FS finished without error at Thu Aug 23 03:52:39  
PDT 2012

done

For other users whose OS automatically unzips the .gz,

the command to type is:

sudo tar xvf freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0.tar

Thanks!

Fidel


On 20-Aug-12, at 8:48 AM, Nick Schmansky wrote:

Fidel,

I don't know why those files are missing from the Tiger ppc  
distribution,

but i confirmed that indeed they are.  Here is a tarball of the
distribution which contains everything:

ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pub/dist/freesurfer/5.1.0/freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0.tar.gz

save it to your /Applications directory, and then from the Terminal  
type:


cd /Applications
sudo tar zxvf freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0.tar.gz

you dont need to remove your existing install.

Nick




Hi,

I'm reposting this, hoping Nick has returned and can provide some
guidance.

Thanks,

Fidel

On 1-Aug-12, at 8:16 AM, Douglas N Greve wrote:


This is strange, it must be something that is specific to the PPC
Mac distribution. Nick is going to have to deal with this, but he
won't be back until Mon. Can you wait that long?
doug

On 07/31/2012 06:01 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:

And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin?


There are 357 items in /Applications/freesurfer/bin


Are there any files in the other directories?


Indeed, from /Application/freesurfer/average (50 items in here) to /
Applications/freesurfer/trctrain (35 items) as well as 'LICENSE'
file, 'README' file, etc. Not to forget my user license file
(i.e. .license)

The executable files missing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin seem
to be:

talairach_avi
;mri_watershed
; ;mri_segment
;mri_tessellate
;mri_concatenate_lta ;mri_normalize_tp2 ;mris_smooth ;mris_inflate
;mris_curvature
;mris_sphere
;mris_fix_topology
;mris_topo_fixer
;mris_ca_label
;mris_euler_number
;mris_make_surfaces
;mris_register
;mris_volmask
 ;mris_anatomical_stats
;mrisp_paint
;mris_curvature_stats
;mris_calc ;mri_robust_register ;mri_robust_template ;mri_segstats

Also, running grep -f /CommandsNotFound.txt (file listing the
commands listed above) /Files_in_Bin.txt (list of 357 items in /
Applications/freesurfer/bin folder) retrieves no matching pattern.

The list of commands above matches the list of warning errors (i.e.
command not found) when I run recon-all.


Do you have permission to install it in that location?


I do.

Could this be related to compillation of files for the May 2011
5.1. stable release for ppc?

Appreciate your advice and support as I understand ppc machines
might not be one of the highest priorities...

Regards,

Fidel


On 31-Jul-12, at 1:12 PM, Douglas N Greve wrote:


And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin? Are there
any files in the other directories? Do you have permission to
install it in that location? If nothing is in the bin dir, then
there is no need to try recon-all, it will always fail.
doug



On 07/31/2012 04:05 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:

Hi Doug,

I re-installed freesurfer, and I still get the same error message
(terminal output attached); bin files are still missing from bin
folder.

Shall I report this as a bug?

Regards,

Fidel




On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:


did you set up your environment so that your path environment
variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for
instructions.
doug

On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:

Hi Freesurfer experts,

I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available
on FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached
output error when running recon-all.

Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

Thanks,

Fidel



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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-08-20 Thread Nick Schmansky
Fidel,

I don't know why those files are missing from the Tiger ppc distribution,
but i confirmed that indeed they are.  Here is a tarball of the
distribution which contains everything:

ftp://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pub/dist/freesurfer/5.1.0/freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0.tar.gz

save it to your /Applications directory, and then from the Terminal type:

cd /Applications
sudo tar zxvf freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0.tar.gz

you dont need to remove your existing install.

Nick



 Hi,

 I'm reposting this, hoping Nick has returned and can provide some
 guidance.

 Thanks,

 Fidel

 On 1-Aug-12, at 8:16 AM, Douglas N Greve wrote:

 This is strange, it must be something that is specific to the PPC
 Mac distribution. Nick is going to have to deal with this, but he
 won't be back until Mon. Can you wait that long?
 doug

 On 07/31/2012 06:01 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin?

 There are 357 items in /Applications/freesurfer/bin

 Are there any files in the other directories?

 Indeed, from /Application/freesurfer/average (50 items in here) to /
 Applications/freesurfer/trctrain (35 items) as well as 'LICENSE'
 file, 'README' file, etc. Not to forget my user license file
 (i.e. .license)

 The executable files missing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin seem
 to be:

 talairach_avi
  ;mri_watershed
  ; ;mri_segment
  ;mri_tessellate
  ;mri_concatenate_lta ;mri_normalize_tp2 ;mris_smooth ;mris_inflate
 ;mris_curvature
  ;mris_sphere
  ;mris_fix_topology
  ;mris_topo_fixer
  ;mris_ca_label
  ;mris_euler_number
  ;mris_make_surfaces
  ;mris_register
  ;mris_volmask
   ;mris_anatomical_stats
  ;mrisp_paint
  ;mris_curvature_stats
  ;mris_calc ;mri_robust_register ;mri_robust_template ;mri_segstats

 Also, running grep -f /CommandsNotFound.txt (file listing the
 commands listed above) /Files_in_Bin.txt (list of 357 items in /
 Applications/freesurfer/bin folder) retrieves no matching pattern.

 The list of commands above matches the list of warning errors (i.e.
 command not found) when I run recon-all.

 Do you have permission to install it in that location?

 I do.

 Could this be related to compillation of files for the May 2011
 5.1. stable release for ppc?

 Appreciate your advice and support as I understand ppc machines
 might not be one of the highest priorities...

 Regards,

 Fidel


 On 31-Jul-12, at 1:12 PM, Douglas N Greve wrote:

 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin? Are there
 any files in the other directories? Do you have permission to
 install it in that location? If nothing is in the bin dir, then
 there is no need to try recon-all, it will always fail.
 doug



 On 07/31/2012 04:05 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Doug,

 I re-installed freesurfer, and I still get the same error message
 (terminal output attached); bin files are still missing from bin
 folder.

 Shall I report this as a bug?

 Regards,

 Fidel




 On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:

 did you set up your environment so that your path environment
 variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for
 instructions.
 doug

 On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available
 on FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached
 output error when running recon-all.

 Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

 Thanks,

 Fidel



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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-08-07 Thread Fidel Vila
Hi,

I'm reposting this, hoping Nick has returned and can provide some  
guidance.

Thanks,

Fidel

On 1-Aug-12, at 8:16 AM, Douglas N Greve wrote:

 This is strange, it must be something that is specific to the PPC  
 Mac distribution. Nick is going to have to deal with this, but he  
 won't be back until Mon. Can you wait that long?
 doug

 On 07/31/2012 06:01 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin?

 There are 357 items in /Applications/freesurfer/bin

 Are there any files in the other directories?

 Indeed, from /Application/freesurfer/average (50 items in here) to / 
 Applications/freesurfer/trctrain (35 items) as well as 'LICENSE'  
 file, 'README' file, etc. Not to forget my user license file  
 (i.e. .license)

 The executable files missing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin seem  
 to be:

 talairach_avi 
  ;mri_watershed 
  ; ;mri_segment 
  ;mri_tessellate 
  ;mri_concatenate_lta ;mri_normalize_tp2 ;mris_smooth ;mris_inflate
 ;mris_curvature 
  ;mris_sphere 
  ;mris_fix_topology 
  ;mris_topo_fixer 
  ;mris_ca_label 
  ;mris_euler_number 
  ;mris_make_surfaces 
  ;mris_register 
  ;mris_volmask 
   ;mris_anatomical_stats 
  ;mrisp_paint 
  ;mris_curvature_stats 
  ;mris_calc ;mri_robust_register ;mri_robust_template ;mri_segstats

 Also, running grep -f /CommandsNotFound.txt (file listing the  
 commands listed above) /Files_in_Bin.txt (list of 357 items in / 
 Applications/freesurfer/bin folder) retrieves no matching pattern.

 The list of commands above matches the list of warning errors (i.e.  
 command not found) when I run recon-all.

 Do you have permission to install it in that location?

 I do.

 Could this be related to compillation of files for the May 2011  
 5.1. stable release for ppc?

 Appreciate your advice and support as I understand ppc machines  
 might not be one of the highest priorities...

 Regards,

 Fidel


 On 31-Jul-12, at 1:12 PM, Douglas N Greve wrote:

 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin? Are there  
 any files in the other directories? Do you have permission to  
 install it in that location? If nothing is in the bin dir, then  
 there is no need to try recon-all, it will always fail.
 doug



 On 07/31/2012 04:05 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Doug,

 I re-installed freesurfer, and I still get the same error message  
 (terminal output attached); bin files are still missing from bin  
 folder.

 Shall I report this as a bug?

 Regards,

 Fidel




 On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:

 did you set up your environment so that your path environment  
 variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for  
 instructions.
 doug

 On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available  
 on FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached  
 output error when running recon-all.

 Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

 Thanks,

 Fidel



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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-08-01 Thread Douglas N Greve
This is strange, it must be something that is specific to the PPC Mac 
distribution. Nick is going to have to deal with this, but he won't be 
back until Mon. Can you wait that long?
doug

On 07/31/2012 06:01 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin?

 There are 357 items in /Applications/freesurfer/bin

 Are there any files in the other directories?

 Indeed, from /Application/freesurfer/average (50 items in here) to 
 /Applications/freesurfer/trctrain (35 items) as well as 'LICENSE' 
 file, 'README' file, etc. Not to forget my user license file (i.e. 
 .license)

 The executable files missing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin seem to be:

 talairach_avi ;mri_watershed ; 
 ;mri_segment ;mri_tessellate ;mri_concatenate_lta ;mri_normalize_tp2 
 ;mris_smooth ;mris_inflate
 ;mris_curvature ;mris_sphere ;mris_fix_topology ;mris_topo_fixer 
 ;mris_ca_label ;mris_euler_number ;mris_make_surfaces ;mris_register 
 ;mris_volmask  
 ;mris_anatomical_stats ;mrisp_paint ;mris_curvature_stats ;mris_calc 
 ;mri_robust_register ;mri_robust_template ;mri_segstats

 Also, running grep -f /CommandsNotFound.txt (file listing the commands 
 listed above) /Files_in_Bin.txt (list of 357 items in 
 /Applications/freesurfer/bin folder) retrieves no matching pattern.

 The list of commands above matches the list of warning errors (i.e. 
 command not found) when I run recon-all.

 Do you have permission to install it in that location?

 I do.

 Could this be related to compillation of files for the May 2011 5.1. 
 stable release for ppc?

 Appreciate your advice and support as I understand ppc machines might 
 not be one of the highest priorities...

 Regards,

 Fidel


 On 31-Jul-12, at 1:12 PM, Douglas N Greve wrote:

 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin? Are there any 
 files in the other directories? Do you have permission to install it 
 in that location? If nothing is in the bin dir, then there is no need 
 to try recon-all, it will always fail.
 doug



 On 07/31/2012 04:05 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Doug,

 I re-installed freesurfer, and I still get the same error message 
 (terminal output attached); bin files are still missing from bin 
 folder.

 Shall I report this as a bug?

 Regards,

 Fidel




 On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:

 did you set up your environment so that your path environment 
 variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for 
 instructions.
 doug

 On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available on 
 FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached output 
 error when running recon-all.

 Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

 Thanks,

 Fidel



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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-31 Thread Fidel Vila
Hi Doug,I re-installed freesurfer, and I still get the same error message (terminal output attached); bin files are still missing from bin folder.Shall I report this as a bug?Regards,Fidel
Last login: Tue Jul 31 12:51:32 on ttyp2
Welcome to Darwin!
a3128u:~ FVila$ export FREESURFER_HOME=/Applications/freesurfer
a3128u:~ FVila$ source $FREESURFER_HOME/SetUpFreeSurfer.sh
 freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0 
Setting up environment for FreeSurfer/FS-FAST (and FSL)
FREESURFER_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer
FSFAST_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer/fsfast
FSF_OUTPUT_FORMAT nii.gz
SUBJECTS_DIR  /Applications/freesurfer/subjects
MNI_DIR   /Applications/freesurfer/mni
FSL_DIR   /Applications//fsl
a3128u:~ FVila$ recon-all -i 
/Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz -subjid 
struct_FS
Subject Stamp: freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0
Current Stamp: freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0
INFO: SUBJECTS_DIR is /Applications/freesurfer/subjects
Actual FREESURFER_HOME /Applications/freesurfer
Darwin a3128u.bcricwh.lan 8.11.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 
18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
tcsh: talairach_avi: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_watershed: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_segment: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_tessellate: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_concatenate_lta: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_normalize_tp2: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_smooth: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_inflate: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_curvature: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_sphere: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_fix_topology: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_topo_fixer: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_ca_label: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_euler_number: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_make_surfaces: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_register: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_volmask: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_anatomical_stats: Command not found.
tcsh: mrisp_paint: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_curvature_stats: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_calc: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_robust_register: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_robust_template: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_segstats: Command not found.
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/struct_FS
\n mri_convert /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz 
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/struct_FS/mri/orig/001.mgz \n
mri_convert /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz 
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/struct_FS/mri/orig/001.mgz 
$Id: mri_convert.c,v 1.179.2.2 2011/05/16 20:53:47 greve Exp $
reading from /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz...
TR=1000.00, TE=0.00, TI=0.00, flip angle=0.00
i_ras = (-1, 0, 0)
j_ras = (0, 1, 0)
k_ras = (0, 0, 1)
writing to /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/struct_FS/mri/orig/001.mgz...

#--

recon-all -s struct_FS finished without error at Tue Jul 31 12:54:59 PDT 2012
done
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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-31 Thread Douglas N Greve
And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin? Are there any files in 
the other directories? Do you have permission to install it in that location? 
If nothing is in the bin dir, then there is no need to try recon-all, it will 
always fail.
doug



On 07/31/2012 04:05 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Doug,

 I re-installed freesurfer, and I still get the same error message 
 (terminal output attached); bin files are still missing from bin folder.

 Shall I report this as a bug?

 Regards,

 Fidel




 On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:

 did you set up your environment so that your path environment 
 variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for 
 instructions.
 doug

 On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available on 
 FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached output 
 error when running recon-all.

 Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

 Thanks,

 Fidel



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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-31 Thread Fidel Vila
 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin?

There are 357 items in /Applications/freesurfer/bin

 Are there any files in the other directories?

Indeed, from /Application/freesurfer/average (50 items in here) to / 
Applications/freesurfer/trctrain (35 items) as well as 'LICENSE' file,  
'README' file, etc. Not to forget my user license file (i.e. .license)

The executable files missing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin seem to be:

talairach_avi 
  ;mri_watershed 
  ; ;mri_segment 
  ;mri_tessellate 
  ;mri_concatenate_lta ;mri_normalize_tp2 ;mris_smooth ;mris_inflate
;mris_curvature 
  ;mris_sphere 
  ;mris_fix_topology 
  ;mris_topo_fixer 
  ;mris_ca_label 
  ;mris_euler_number 
  ;mris_make_surfaces 
  ;mris_register 
  ;mris_volmask 
   ;mris_anatomical_stats 
  ;mrisp_paint 
  ;mris_curvature_stats 
  ;mris_calc ;mri_robust_register ;mri_robust_template ;mri_segstats

Also, running grep -f /CommandsNotFound.txt (file listing the commands  
listed above) /Files_in_Bin.txt (list of 357 items in /Applications/ 
freesurfer/bin folder) retrieves no matching pattern.

The list of commands above matches the list of warning errors (i.e.  
command not found) when I run recon-all.

 Do you have permission to install it in that location?

I do.

Could this be related to compillation of files for the May 2011 5.1.  
stable release for ppc?

Appreciate your advice and support as I understand ppc machines might  
not be one of the highest priorities...

Regards,

Fidel


On 31-Jul-12, at 1:12 PM, Douglas N Greve wrote:

 And there is nothing in /Applications/freesurfer/bin? Are there any  
 files in the other directories? Do you have permission to install it  
 in that location? If nothing is in the bin dir, then there is no  
 need to try recon-all, it will always fail.
 doug



 On 07/31/2012 04:05 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Doug,

 I re-installed freesurfer, and I still get the same error message  
 (terminal output attached); bin files are still missing from bin  
 folder.

 Shall I report this as a bug?

 Regards,

 Fidel




 On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:

 did you set up your environment so that your path environment  
 variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for  
 instructions.
 doug

 On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available  
 on FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached  
 output error when running recon-all.

 Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

 Thanks,

 Fidel



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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-30 Thread Douglas N Greve
Try re-installing. Make sure you have enough disk space.
doug

On 07/30/2012 12:43 AM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Doug.
 The missing files are NOT in $FREESURFER_HOME/bin; So, I guess that's why 
 they are not found even though the path is set up in the system PATH variable.
 Suggestions?
 Fidel
 Are the missing files in $FREESURFER_HOME/bin and is that path in your
 system PATH variable?

 On 07/26/2012 01:29 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
   Thanks for your prompt reply, Doug.
 
   I've been checking and following the wiki instructions with regards to
   setting up proper paths, and I could not find an obvious (to me)
   problem there.
 
   I attach a file with things I have tried and issues I have found.
 
   Further advice will be greatly appreciate it.
 
   Many thanks,
 
   Fidel
 
 
 
 
 
   On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:
 
   did you set up your environment so that your path environment
   variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for
   instructions.
   doug
 
   On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
   Hi Freesurfer experts,
 
   I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available on
   FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached output
   error when running recon-all.
 
   Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.
 
   Thanks,
 
   Fidel
 
 
 
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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-29 Thread Fidel Vila

Hi Doug.
The missing files are NOT in $FREESURFER_HOME/bin; So, I guess that's  
why they are not found even though the path is set up in the system  
PATH variable.

Suggestions?
Fidel

Are the missing files in $FREESURFER_HOME/bin and is that path in your
system PATH variable?

On 07/26/2012 01:29 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Thanks for your prompt reply, Doug.

 I've been checking and following the wiki instructions with regards  
to

 setting up proper paths, and I could not find an obvious (to me)
 problem there.

 I attach a file with things I have tried and issues I have found.

 Further advice will be greatly appreciate it.

 Many thanks,

 Fidel





 On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:

 did you set up your environment so that your path environment
 variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for
 instructions.
 doug

 On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available on
 FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached output
 error when running recon-all.

 Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

 Thanks,

 Fidel



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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-26 Thread Fidel Vila
Thanks for your prompt reply, Doug.I've been checking and following the wiki instructions with regards to setting up proper paths, and I could not find an obvious (to me) problem there.I attach a file with things I have tried and issues I have found.Further advice will be greatly appreciate it.Many thanks, Fidel{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\cocoartf949\cocoasubrtf540
{\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Helvetica;}
{\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;}
\margl1440\margr1440\vieww25400\viewh16080\viewkind0
\pard\tx566\tx1133\tx1700\tx2267\tx2834\tx3401\tx3968\tx4535\tx5102\tx5669\tx6236\tx6803\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural

\f0\fs24 \cf0 \

\b #Checked paths on SetUpFreesurfer.sh to make sure they direct to the right spot\
#Run commands to setup FS environment
\b0 \
 \
a3128u:/Applications FVila$ export FREESURFER_HOME=/Applications/freesurfer\
a3128u:/Applications FVila$ source $FREESURFER_HOME/SetUpFreeSurfer.sh\
 freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0 \
Setting up environment for FreeSurfer/FS-FAST (and FSL)\
FREESURFER_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer\
FSFAST_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer/fsfast\
FSF_OUTPUT_FORMAT nii.gz\
SUBJECTS_DIR  /Applications/freesurfer/subjects\
MNI_DIR   /Applications/freesurfer/mni\
FSL_DIR   /users/FVila/fsl\
\

\b #Paths point to the right place in terms of HOME, FSFAST, SUBJECTS_DIR, etc \
#Try to run a recon-all -i command
\b0 \
\
a3128u:/Applications FVila$ recon-all -i /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz -subjid FS_struct.nii.gz \
\
Subject Stamp: freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0\
Current Stamp: freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0\
INFO: SUBJECTS_DIR is /Applications/freesurfer/subjects\
Actual FREESURFER_HOME /Applications/freesurfer\
\

\b #I get a list of commands not found
\b0 \
\
Darwin a3128u.bcricwh.lan 8.11.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc\
tcsh: talairach_avi: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_watershed: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_segment: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_tessellate: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_concatenate_lta: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_normalize_tp2: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_smooth: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_inflate: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_curvature: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_sphere: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_fix_topology: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_topo_fixer: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_ca_label: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_euler_number: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_make_surfaces: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_register: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_volmask: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_anatomical_stats: Command not found.\
tcsh: mrisp_paint: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_curvature_stats: Command not found.\
tcsh: mris_calc: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_robust_register: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_robust_template: Command not found.\
tcsh: mri_segstats: Command not found.\
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz\
\\n mri_convert /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz/mri/orig/001.mgz \\n\
mri_convert /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz/mri/orig/001.mgz \
$Id: mri_convert.c,v 1.179.2.2 2011/05/16 20:53:47 greve Exp $\
reading from /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz...\
TR=1000.00, TE=0.00, TI=0.00, flip angle=0.00\
i_ras = (-1, 0, 0)\
j_ras = (0, 1, 0)\
k_ras = (0, 0, 1)\
writing to /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz/mri/orig/001.mgz...\
\
#--\
\

\b #But the recon-all is reported as finished without error.
\b0 \
\
recon-all -s FS_struct.nii.gz finished without error at Wed Jul 25 16:46:00 PDT 2012\
done\
\
\

\b #I go into the /freesurfer/bin folder to check whether the commands listed above as not found are actually there... they are missing (??)\

\b0 \
a3128u:/Applications/freesurfer/bin FVila$ ls\
LongQdecTable.pyminc2seqinfomri_motion_correct2\
UpdateNeededmisc.py mri_ms_fitparms\
aparc2feat  mkfsdistmri_multispectral_segment\
aparcstats2tablemkheadsurf  mri_nl_align\
aparcstatsdiff  mkima_index.tcl mri_nl_align_binary\
aseg2feat   mkmnc_index.tcl mri_nlfilter\
asegstats2table mksubjdirs  mri_normalize\
asegstatsdiff   mksurfatlas mri_nu_correct.mni\
avi2talxfm  mkxsubjreg  mri_or\
batchjobs

Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-26 Thread Douglas N Greve
Are the missing files in $FREESURFER_HOME/bin and is that path in your 
system PATH variable?

On 07/26/2012 01:29 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Thanks for your prompt reply, Doug.

 I've been checking and following the wiki instructions with regards to 
 setting up proper paths, and I could not find an obvious (to me) 
 problem there.

 I attach a file with things I have tried and issues I have found.

 Further advice will be greatly appreciate it.

 Many thanks,

 Fidel





 On 25-Jul-12, at 8:22 PM, Douglas Greve wrote:

 did you set up your environment so that your path environment 
 variable has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for 
 instructions.
 doug

 On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:
 Hi Freesurfer experts,

 I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available on 
 FS website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached output 
 error when running recon-all.

 Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

 Thanks,

 Fidel



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[Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-25 Thread Fidel Vila

Hi Freesurfer experts,

I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available on FS  
website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached output error  
when running recon-all.


Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

Thanks,

Fidel

a3128u:/Applications FVila$ export FREESURFER_HOME=/Applications/freesurfer
a3128u:/Applications FVila$ source $FREESURFER_HOME/SetUpFreeSurfer.sh
 freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0 
Setting up environment for FreeSurfer/FS-FAST (and FSL)
FREESURFER_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer
FSFAST_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer/fsfast
FSF_OUTPUT_FORMAT nii.gz
SUBJECTS_DIR  /Applications/freesurfer/subjects
MNI_DIR   /Applications/freesurfer/mni
FSL_DIR   /users/FVila/fsl
a3128u:/Applications FVila$ recon-all -i 
/Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz -subjid 
FS_struct.nii.gz ERROR: You are trying to re-run an existing subject with 
(possibly)
 new input data (-i). If this is truly new input data, you should delete
 the subject folder and re-run, or specify a different subject name.
 If you are just continuing an analysis of an existing subject, then 
 omit all -i flags.
a3128u:/Applications FVila$ recon-all -i 
/Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz -subjid 
FS_struct.nii.gz 
Subject Stamp: freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0
Current Stamp: freesurfer-Darwin-tiger-ppc-stable-pub-v5.1.0
INFO: SUBJECTS_DIR is /Applications/freesurfer/subjects
Actual FREESURFER_HOME /Applications/freesurfer
Darwin a3128u.bcricwh.lan 8.11.0 Darwin Kernel Version 8.11.0: Wed Oct 10 
18:26:00 PDT 2007; root:xnu-792.24.17~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh powerpc
tcsh: talairach_avi: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_watershed: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_segment: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_tessellate: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_concatenate_lta: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_normalize_tp2: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_smooth: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_inflate: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_curvature: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_sphere: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_fix_topology: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_topo_fixer: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_ca_label: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_euler_number: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_make_surfaces: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_register: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_volmask: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_anatomical_stats: Command not found.
tcsh: mrisp_paint: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_curvature_stats: Command not found.
tcsh: mris_calc: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_robust_register: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_robust_template: Command not found.
tcsh: mri_segstats: Command not found.
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz
\n mri_convert /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz 
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz/mri/orig/001.mgz \n
mri_convert /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz 
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz/mri/orig/001.mgz 
$Id: mri_convert.c,v 1.179.2.2 2011/05/16 20:53:47 greve Exp $
reading from /Users/FVila/CCD_imagingreliability/ERP/ERP1000M0/struct.nii.gz...
TR=1000.00, TE=0.00, TI=0.00, flip angle=0.00
i_ras = (-1, 0, 0)
j_ras = (0, 1, 0)
k_ras = (0, 0, 1)
writing to 
/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/FS_struct.nii.gz/mri/orig/001.mgz...

#--

recon-all -s FS_struct.nii.gz finished without error at Wed Jul 25 16:46:00 PDT 
2012
done
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Re: [Freesurfer] tcsh: tailarach_avi: Command not found

2012-07-25 Thread Douglas Greve
did you set up your environment so that your path environment variable 
has all the proper paths in it? Look at the wiki for instructions.

doug

On 7/25/12 7:57 PM, Fidel Vila wrote:

Hi Freesurfer experts,

I recently installed FS (PowerPC architecture version available on FS 
website) on a Mac OS X 10.4.11 and I get the attached output error 
when running recon-all.


Advice on how to troubleshoot this would be appreciate.

Thanks,

Fidel



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