Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

Yeah but damn its hard to get reasonable broadband here.  A couple of cans
and string would beat what I got.

   -- Owen

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Robert Holmes wrote:

> "Massive use" in US = "normal use" in the rest of civilization.
>
> Verizon just tried to sign a friend up to a wireless plan as her main
> internet access. Monthly cap? 5Gb. That's about a movie and a half at HD.
>
> —R
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>
>>
> Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc).
>>
>>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Robert Holmes]

"Massive use" in US = "normal use" in the rest of civilization.

Verizon just tried to sign a friend up to a wireless plan as her main
internet access. Monthly cap? 5Gb. That's about a movie and a half at HD.

—R


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> 
>

>
Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc).
>
>

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Re: [FRIAM] [sfx: Discuss] For New Mexico Friam folk: Please Help

[Owen Densmore]

They now have a new goal: 750 signatures, of which they have over 500.

SignOn is surprisingly effective, I recommend more of us signing.

   -- Owen

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Robert J. Cordingley  wrote:

>  Kim et al
>
> re: SB 463  SignOn.org/MoveOn.org also offer an opportunity (
> http://signon.org/sign/vote-no-on-sb-463) to 'speak out'. This on line
> petition has a goal to get 200 signatures - they have 104.  I suspect that
> with a little help folks on this list could blow past that goal in no time!
>
> Thanks
> Robert Cordingley
>
>  Original Message   Subject: Should MoveOn support this
> petition?  Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:17:31 -0800  From: Steven Biel,
> MoveOn.org Civic Action 
>   To:
> Robert Cordingley  
>
>  Dear Robert,
>
> Marilyn Hoff recently created a petition on SignOn.org entitled "Vote No!
> on SB 463"—and we'd like to know what you think of it.
>
> The petition is addressed to The New Mexico State House, The New Mexico
> State Senate, and Governor Susana Martinez, and reads:
>
> Oil and gas exploration (fracking) can pollute the land and poison water
> tables. Please do not support a bill that would deprive local communities
> and governments of any measure of control or input over practices that
> could destroy their quality of life.
>
> Here's what Marilyn wrote about it:
>
> SB 463 is a bill introduced by NM Senator Carlos Cisneros, already
> assigned to the Senate Conservation Committee and awaiting hearing,
> possibly as soon as this Tuesday. If enacted into law, it would "strip
> cities and counties of their abilities to pass ordinances regulating oil
> and gas drilling in their jurisdictions."
>
> Can you click to let us know what you think?
>
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>
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>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

I'm in Las Vegas NV for the next few days, regularly getting 18 Mbps down,
1 Mbps up on my $30/month "unlimited" T-Mobile plan.

-Doug
On Feb 24, 2013 11:13 AM, "Owen Densmore"  wrote:

> God, thats amazing speed.
>
> I wonder if the cell providers might eventually take over broadband to the
> home?  I know there are "cell  modem" like critters that work as home
> broadband (Carl uses one).  Currently they are expensive for massive use
> (movies etc).
>
> But with the failure of good broadband availability in much of the US,
> anyway, it seems a compelling market.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now
>> sitting in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up
>> with a solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works.
>> Google is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone.
>>  On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:
>>
>>> That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
>>> Bluetooth speakers.  :)
>>> On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>
> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>
> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
> short list.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed
>> a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
>> time?
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at 
>> the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and 
>> Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
>> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you 
>> tried
>> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which 
>> the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried
>> to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore >> > wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (a

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

God, thats amazing speed.

I wonder if the cell providers might eventually take over broadband to the
home?  I know there are "cell  modem" like critters that work as home
broadband (Carl uses one).  Currently they are expensive for massive use
(movies etc).

But with the failure of good broadband availability in much of the US,
anyway, it seems a compelling market.

   -- Owen

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now
> sitting in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up
> with a solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works.
> Google is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone.
> On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:
>
>> That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
>> Bluetooth speakers.  :)
>> On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
 that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:

 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3

 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
 short list.

 --Doug


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Doug --
>
> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed
> a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
> time?
>
> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and 
> Bluetooth.
>
> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you 
> tried
> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
> but it didn't make it.
>
> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried
> to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>
> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>> Browser:
>> Firefox 18.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1280x800
>> Total Visits:
>> 15
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>  IP Address:
>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like I.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

 Page Views:
 1
 Entry Page Time:
 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
 Browser:
 Chrome 25.0
 OS:
 MacOSX
 Resolution:
 1440x900
 Total Visits:
 11
 Location:
 Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
 IP Address:
 Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
 Address]
 Referring URL:
 (No referring link)
 Visit Page:
  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore <
> o...@backspaces.net> wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>
>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smart