Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[Gillian Densmore]

Moving the hurting part might somehow help it heal. I have no idea how. or
why though. Chi Gong excersizes, yoga, resting the neck on a rolled pillow
and just getting up and moving, walking etc.Is helping the tech Nech part.
I have no idea why.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:47 AM, ┣glen┫  wrote:

> That's interesting.  Tennis doesn't strike me as particularly good for any
> part of the body, especially all that herky-jerky jumping back and forth.
> But there's no doubt that *any* activity is good.  And "alive" coordination
> with and against other actors in the world is a notch above what I do.
> There are 3 basic tiers: 1) canalized activity like weight machines or
> treadmills (or typing), 2) full 4D "space-filling" activity like free
> weights, calisthenics, or rock climbing, and then 3) engaging a living
> system like sparring or team sports.
>
> On 10/11/2017 07:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > My lower back pain has almost completely disappeared since I've been
> playing tennis three days a week.  Ironically, I think it's from bending
> over to pick up balls rather than from running and striking the ball.  On
> the other hand, some of the other elders that I play with have been injured
> by falls, etc.
>
> --
> ␦glen?
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[Gillian Densmore]

OH! that sounds like  one of Scot Mcneally(?)'s projects while he was at
SUN. I simply don't know if if was a SUN per SUN project or one of personel
interest.  Andy Ruhen (Android guy) I thought had something like that in
the works before his stint with Google I/O Sunk Works.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:37 AM, ┣glen┫  wrote:

> Yes!  I've forgotten who proposed it.  But what ever happened to the CPU
> fabric we were supposed to line our walls with so that our computing would
> wander around with us, flowing from wall to wall as we walked around?  I
> supposed I'd settle for some sort of AR or HUD that paints whatever's there
> with information, but equipped with accelerometers for 3D organization.
>
> On 10/11/2017 11:58 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
> > Now I need some large monitors on the wall for reading documents.
>  Like a 20x1 aspect ratio so I can find things quickly, by walking.
>
>
> --
> ␦glen?
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[┣glen┫]

That's interesting.  Tennis doesn't strike me as particularly good for any part 
of the body, especially all that herky-jerky jumping back and forth.  But 
there's no doubt that *any* activity is good.  And "alive" coordination with 
and against other actors in the world is a notch above what I do.  There are 3 
basic tiers: 1) canalized activity like weight machines or treadmills (or 
typing), 2) full 4D "space-filling" activity like free weights, calisthenics, 
or rock climbing, and then 3) engaging a living system like sparring or team 
sports.

On 10/11/2017 07:27 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> My lower back pain has almost completely disappeared since I've been playing 
> tennis three days a week.  Ironically, I think it's from bending over to pick 
> up balls rather than from running and striking the ball.  On the other hand, 
> some of the other elders that I play with have been injured by falls, etc.

-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[Frank Wimberly]

My lower back pain has almost completely disappeared since I've been
playing tennis three days a week.  Ironically, I think it's from bending
over to pick up balls rather than from running and striking the ball.  On
the other hand, some of the other elders that I play with have been injured
by falls, etc.

Oh well,

Frank


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Phone (505) 670-9918

On Oct 11, 2017 12:38 PM, "gⅼеɳ ☣"  wrote:

> I'm happy to say more off-list.  But just to finish out the thread.
>
> Free advice is always worth what you pay, of course. 8^)  But I've
> mitigated nearly all of my spine problems by:
>
> a) calisthenics, and
> b) a standing desk (sitting will kill you!).
>
> My calisthenics are a mix of martial arts, stretching, and "yoga-like
> stuff" (at least that's what friends who have some experience with yoga
> have told me).  I also do some posture exercises.  A search on youtube.com
> for posture, "forward hip", "forward head", etc. can yield productive
> results.  Just be skeptical with what you find.
>
> One exercise that I've been doing since I started recovering from my
> childhood chiropractor/charlatan was an isometric exercise for my neck.
> You stand straight with your hands against your head and push, first
> forward, then backward, then from each side.  Don't move, just push (not
> too hard) your head against your hand(s).  So, it's 4 positions.
>
> 1) two hand heels on your forehead and push forward with your neck muscles,
> 2) two hands clasped behind your head (not your neck!) and push backward,
> 3) right hand heel above your right ear, push rightward,
> 4) left hand heel above your left ear, push leftward.
>
> Kinda like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWF968uFXY  But I keep
> my neck straight and stand while I do it.  (Did I mention sitting will kill
> you?)
>
> If you want professional advice for your neck, I'd go to a *sports*
> doctor.  They have all sorts of experience with weird body mechanics
> problems.  There's also a nice build-up of evidence that yoga really works
> for spine problems ... though I have yet to try it.
>
> None of this applies to TMJ, though.  I'm completely ignorant of it.
>
>
>
> On 10/11/2017 10:48 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> > Oh thanks glen!
> > THAT is very good to know. Purely For What it's worth the students I
> click
> > with as much as possible avoid using vague langauge with helping manage
> the
> > TMJ and cautionend me that chinese medicine his a little hit and mis for
> > sniffing out the root what's causing TMJ. Basically the person I am
> pretty
> > lucky to try is also studying to be a GP I simply don't know if that's a
> > new thing to the SouthWest school or not he's the 3rd person their be
> into
> > nutriction, health etc.
> >
> >
> > Sufficed to say I was under the mis-impression that Chriopracties might
> be
> > able to help.  thank Buddha for the caitonary tale.
> >
> >
> > If Chriopracty(SP) is not a good idea after all.  Any idea where or to
> get
> > help with from it? Just to keep the cards on the table: I tried PT
> several
> > months ago for the TechNeck and some of the TMJ. It helped some but with
> > only 5-6 essions it's hard to make solid progress.
> >
> > What might be the next step then? BoddyWork specialist maybe? If their is
> > such a thing?
>
> --
> ☣ gⅼеɳ
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[Marcus Daniels]

Glen writes:

"b) a standing desk (sitting will kill you!)."

And,  once you're used to standing all day, you get a bonus reminder of when 
your brain is used-up for the day, because at least your feet are!   I feel 
like I might actually _break_ when get up after a few hours of sitting work, 
where I don't have a standing desk.  
Now I need some large monitors on the wall for reading documents. Like a 
20x1 aspect ratio so I can find things quickly, by walking.

Marcus

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Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[gⅼеɳ ☣]

I'm happy to say more off-list.  But just to finish out the thread.

Free advice is always worth what you pay, of course. 8^)  But I've mitigated 
nearly all of my spine problems by:

a) calisthenics, and
b) a standing desk (sitting will kill you!).

My calisthenics are a mix of martial arts, stretching, and "yoga-like stuff" 
(at least that's what friends who have some experience with yoga have told me). 
 I also do some posture exercises.  A search on youtube.com for posture, 
"forward hip", "forward head", etc. can yield productive results.  Just be 
skeptical with what you find.

One exercise that I've been doing since I started recovering from my childhood 
chiropractor/charlatan was an isometric exercise for my neck.  You stand 
straight with your hands against your head and push, first forward, then 
backward, then from each side.  Don't move, just push (not too hard) your head 
against your hand(s).  So, it's 4 positions.

1) two hand heels on your forehead and push forward with your neck muscles,
2) two hands clasped behind your head (not your neck!) and push backward,
3) right hand heel above your right ear, push rightward,
4) left hand heel above your left ear, push leftward.

Kinda like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWF968uFXY  But I keep my 
neck straight and stand while I do it.  (Did I mention sitting will kill you?)

If you want professional advice for your neck, I'd go to a *sports* doctor.  
They have all sorts of experience with weird body mechanics problems.  There's 
also a nice build-up of evidence that yoga really works for spine problems ... 
though I have yet to try it.

None of this applies to TMJ, though.  I'm completely ignorant of it.



On 10/11/2017 10:48 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> Oh thanks glen!
> THAT is very good to know. Purely For What it's worth the students I click
> with as much as possible avoid using vague langauge with helping manage the
> TMJ and cautionend me that chinese medicine his a little hit and mis for
> sniffing out the root what's causing TMJ. Basically the person I am pretty
> lucky to try is also studying to be a GP I simply don't know if that's a
> new thing to the SouthWest school or not he's the 3rd person their be into
> nutriction, health etc.
> 
> 
> Sufficed to say I was under the mis-impression that Chriopracties might be
> able to help.  thank Buddha for the caitonary tale.
> 
> 
> If Chriopracty(SP) is not a good idea after all.  Any idea where or to get
> help with from it? Just to keep the cards on the table: I tried PT several
> months ago for the TechNeck and some of the TMJ. It helped some but with
> only 5-6 essions it's hard to make solid progress.
> 
> What might be the next step then? BoddyWork specialist maybe? If their is
> such a thing?

-- 
☣ gⅼеɳ


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Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[Gillian Densmore]

Oh thanks glen!
THAT is very good to know. Purely For What it's worth the students I click
with as much as possible avoid using vague langauge with helping manage the
TMJ and cautionend me that chinese medicine his a little hit and mis for
sniffing out the root what's causing TMJ. Basically the person I am pretty
lucky to try is also studying to be a GP I simply don't know if that's a
new thing to the SouthWest school or not he's the 3rd person their be into
nutriction, health etc.


Sufficed to say I was under the mis-impression that Chriopracties might be
able to help.  thank Buddha for the caitonary tale.


If Chriopracty(SP) is not a good idea after all.  Any idea where or to get
help with from it? Just to keep the cards on the table: I tried PT several
months ago for the TechNeck and some of the TMJ. It helped some but with
only 5-6 essions it's hard to make solid progress.

What might be the next step then? BoddyWork specialist maybe? If their is
such a thing?


As to Acupucnture and weird medicine. Totally agree it can get pretty iffy.
The student I'm (temporatily) assigned down to earth he avoids vague iffy
language.  I can see that'd be rare. If  I undserstand right Heard right
he's also studying to be a GP.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:41 AM, gⅼеɳ ☣  wrote:

> I know this subject is controversial.  But it would be remiss not to point
> out that chiropracty may be pseudo-medicine.  But worse yet, it can be
> dangerous:
>
> https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/study-patients-should-be-
> warned-of-stroke-risk-before-chiropractic-neck-manipulation/
> https://www.webmd.com/stroke/news/20140807/could-
> chiropractic-manipulation-of-your-neck-trigger-a-stroke#1
>
> My personal experience with it was from back when I was a kid.  I was
> briefly (~10 minutes, maybe?) paralyzed from the waist down after an
> attempt to throw a kick in Tae Kwon Do.  The actual doctor (MD) diagnosed
> me with sacral lumbarization.  The medical choices were surgery or figure
> out how to live with it.  My parents took me to a chiropractor, who spouted
> all sorts of believable woo to us, provided some short-term relief in the
> form of endorphins from back popping, and thereby got me addicted to
> popping my back and neck.  I've had neck problems ever since.
>
> To be clear, the chiropractor caused my neck problems.  (A good
> side-effect, though, was that I learned evidence-based physical therapy and
> exercises that have helped me cope with my spine problems for the rest of
> my life. ... silver lining, ya' know.)
>
> Anyway, be careful.  Acupuncture is also placebo medicine.  But at least
> it's safe, unlike chiropracty.
>
>
> On 10/10/2017 02:22 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> > Or is that assurances?
> > Background Father had a few (many) heart palpy
> > tations(AAH helping you're Tech Nech is getting
> *!&@!
> > expensive!)  from   one that quoted me about 160 for the first visit and
> 50
> > for each after.  Neighborly has been hit and mis on good recomendations.
> I
> > simply don't know if that's typical or not.
> >
> > I think we do agree it's worth wile asking around about recommendations
> and
> > other opinions though.
> >
> > So Here is me asking for second opinions:
> > Hi all: Trying to manage 'Techneck' and TMJ.  basically looking for
> > recommendations for one Insurance preferred.
> >
> > What was your experience like?
> > The ones what don't like insurancy what's a typical cost to get started?
> > per visit.
> >
> > Who do take insurance? If anyone knows? Did you have any luck? What other
> > ways might help manage or fix TMJ and TechNech?
> > Acupuncture School's been a great start.
>
>
> --
> ☣ gⅼеɳ
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[gⅼеɳ ☣]

I know this subject is controversial.  But it would be remiss not to point out 
that chiropracty may be pseudo-medicine.  But worse yet, it can be dangerous:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/study-patients-should-be-warned-of-stroke-risk-before-chiropractic-neck-manipulation/
https://www.webmd.com/stroke/news/20140807/could-chiropractic-manipulation-of-your-neck-trigger-a-stroke#1

My personal experience with it was from back when I was a kid.  I was briefly 
(~10 minutes, maybe?) paralyzed from the waist down after an attempt to throw a 
kick in Tae Kwon Do.  The actual doctor (MD) diagnosed me with sacral 
lumbarization.  The medical choices were surgery or figure out how to live with 
it.  My parents took me to a chiropractor, who spouted all sorts of believable 
woo to us, provided some short-term relief in the form of endorphins from back 
popping, and thereby got me addicted to popping my back and neck.  I've had 
neck problems ever since.

To be clear, the chiropractor caused my neck problems.  (A good side-effect, 
though, was that I learned evidence-based physical therapy and exercises that 
have helped me cope with my spine problems for the rest of my life. ... silver 
lining, ya' know.)

Anyway, be careful.  Acupuncture is also placebo medicine.  But at least it's 
safe, unlike chiropracty.


On 10/10/2017 02:22 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
> Or is that assurances?
> Background Father had a few (many) heart palpy
> tations(AAH helping you're Tech Nech is getting *!&@!
> expensive!)  from   one that quoted me about 160 for the first visit and 50
> for each after.  Neighborly has been hit and mis on good recomendations. I
> simply don't know if that's typical or not.
> 
> I think we do agree it's worth wile asking around about recommendations and
> other opinions though.
> 
> So Here is me asking for second opinions:
> Hi all: Trying to manage 'Techneck' and TMJ.  basically looking for
> recommendations for one Insurance preferred.
> 
> What was your experience like?
> The ones what don't like insurancy what's a typical cost to get started?
> per visit.
> 
> Who do take insurance? If anyone knows? Did you have any luck? What other
> ways might help manage or fix TMJ and TechNech?
> Acupuncture School's been a great start.


-- 
☣ gⅼеɳ


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[FRIAM] Chriopracter(sp) what takes insurances?

[Gillian Densmore]

Or is that assurances?
Background Father had a few (many) heart palpy
tations(AAH helping you're Tech Nech is getting *!&@!
expensive!)  from   one that quoted me about 160 for the first visit and 50
for each after.  Neighborly has been hit and mis on good recomendations. I
simply don't know if that's typical or not.

I think we do agree it's worth wile asking around about recommendations and
other opinions though.

So Here is me asking for second opinions:
Hi all: Trying to manage 'Techneck' and TMJ.  basically looking for
recommendations for one Insurance preferred.

What was your experience like?
The ones what don't like insurancy what's a typical cost to get started?
per visit.

Who do take insurance? If anyone knows? Did you have any luck? What other
ways might help manage or fix TMJ and TechNech?
Acupuncture School's been a great start.

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