Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Arlo Barnes]

That's, um, "slithy toves". You know, the ones that gire and gimble in the
wabe.
It's pronounced "Throat-Warbler Mangrove", though.

Another factor in 'why GoogleZon' is that perhaps the name is meant to
instill the sense that this is an unholy mashup of two already cluttered
giants. The name certainly does not flow poetically, and this is supported
by the logo: despite being a multi-billion dollar company, apparently they
did not want to pay graphic designers to make a new one - why, just smash
the old two together, it is serviceable!
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Nicholas Thompson]

Thanks, Eric.

 

It's great to hear your voice.

 

I think this is the first time I have ever bent one of Doug''s threads, so,
while I am at it, I am going to bend it real good!

 

The philosopher Rorty would insist that we have to include HISTORY, just
plain old history, as one of the factors.  I cite from the authority,
Seuss, PhD, his ground-breaking work on the origin of the famous,  Circus
McGurkus
<http://www.amazon.com/If-Ran-Circus-Classic-Seuss/dp/039480080X/ref=sr_1_2?
s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362074235&sr=1-2&keywords=circus+mcgurkus> :

 

Then a fluff-muffled Truffle will ride on a Huffle,

And, next in line, a fine Flummox will shuffle.

The Flummox will carry a Lurch in a pail,

And a Fibble will carry the Flummox's tail 

While, on top of the Flummox, three Harp-Twanging Snarp

Will twang mighty twangs on their Three-Snarper-Harp

While a Bolster blows bloops on a three-nozzled bloozer!

A Nolster blows flops on a one-nozzled noozer!

And then comes lion who's partly a trout!

Then  more stuff!  For forty-five minutes, about!

 

Now, that's what I call a well bent thread!

 

Mind those slithetoes, Eric

 

N

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Smith
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 4:49 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

 

Don't mean to thread hijack, but it seems this thread was pretty far gone
anyway.

 

I must say that the English phonotactics are really on display here.

 

Googlezon sounds like something big, heavy and vaguely dangerous, a kind of
Golem but somewhat clunky and difficult to take seriously, like the monsters
in old Japanese semi-animations.

 

Amazoogle sounds like something from a Douglas Adams book, with a long
wiggly trunk and lumpy multicolored skin, probably involving purple and
green coloration and perhaps spots, and even more difficult to take
seriously.

 

Now why would that be?  Syllable-initial stops versus vowels and sibilants?
Stress on the final versus the penultimate syllable?  A reduced final vowel
in the latter that kind of dribbles away?  Must ask my psycholinguist
friends for a breakdown.  I'm sure they have nothing better to do. 

 

 

 

On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:





Vry funny.  It's some sort of a video or perhaps only a link?  If
somebody doesn't remember its name or have a better filing system than mine,
I think it is lost in the bit-midden. 

 

N

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:31 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

 

"I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it."

Use Google.

On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" 
wrote:

Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the
eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to
Amazoogle, I suppose).  I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine
how to search for it.  Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it
came to being true.  And, of course, we ain't done yet. 

 

N

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

 

Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will
be the clear winner!



Eric Charles
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State, Altoona

 

  _  

From: "Barry MacKichan" 
To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

Alta Vista

On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

 

Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that
hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible
lycos?)




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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Eric Smith]

Don't mean to thread hijack, but it seems this thread was pretty far gone 
anyway.

I must say that the English phonotactics are really on display here.

Googlezon sounds like something big, heavy and vaguely dangerous, a kind of 
Golem but somewhat clunky and difficult to take seriously, like the monsters in 
old Japanese semi-animations.

Amazoogle sounds like something from a Douglas Adams book, with a long wiggly 
trunk and lumpy multicolored skin, probably involving purple and green 
coloration and perhaps spots, and even more difficult to take seriously.

Now why would that be?  Syllable-initial stops versus vowels and sibilants?  
Stress on the final versus the penultimate syllable?  A reduced final vowel in 
the latter that kind of dribbles away?  Must ask my psycholinguist friends for 
a breakdown.  I'm sure they have nothing better to do. 



On Feb 28, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Nicholas Thompson wrote:

> Vry funny.  It’s some sort of a video or perhaps only a link?  If 
> somebody doesn’t remember its name or have a better filing system than mine, 
> I think it is lost in the bit-midden. 
>  
> N
>  
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:31 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
>  
> "I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it."
> 
> Use Google.
> 
> On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, "Nicholas Thompson"  
> wrote:
> Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the 
> eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to 
> Amazoogle, I suppose).  I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how 
> to search for it.  Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it came 
> to being true.  And, of course, we ain’t done yet. 
>  
> N
>  
> From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
>  
> Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be 
> the clear winner!
> 
> 
> 
> Eric Charles
> Assistant Professor of Psychology
> Penn State, Altoona
>  
> From: "Barry MacKichan" 
> To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
> 
> Alta Vista
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:
>  
> Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that 
> hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible 
> lycos?)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Nicholas Thompson]

Vry funny.  It's some sort of a video or perhaps only a link?  If
somebody doesn't remember its name or have a better filing system than mine,
I think it is lost in the bit-midden.  

 

N

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Douglas Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:31 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

 

"I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it."

Use Google.

On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" 
wrote:

Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the
eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to
Amazoogle, I suppose).  I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine
how to search for it.  Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it
came to being true.  And, of course, we ain't done yet.  

 

N

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

 

Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will
be the clear winner!



Eric Charles
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State, Altoona

 

  _  

From: "Barry MacKichan" 
To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

Alta Vista

On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

 

Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that
hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible
lycos?)




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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Steve Smith]

Better yet...

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPIC_2014

follow the link... it is on YouTube and other places.


"I know it's on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it."

Use Google.

On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" 
mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net>> wrote:


Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which
predicted the eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon
(as opposed to Amazoogle, I suppose).  I know it's on my hard
drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it.  Might be time to
dust it off and wonder how close it came to being true. And, of
course, we ain't done yet.

N

*From:*Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>] *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM
*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results,
they will be the clear winner!



Eric Charles
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State, Altoona



*From: *"Barry MacKichan" mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com>>
*To: *"The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
    *Sent: *Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM
*Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

Alta Vista

On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore
mailto:gil.densm...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anyone else remember when google was this small internet
search engine that hardly anyone had heard of because they
were off using yahoo? (or possible lycos?)




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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

"I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search for it."

Use Google.
On Feb 27, 2013 8:24 PM, "Nicholas Thompson" 
wrote:

> Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the
> eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to
> Amazoogle, I suppose).  I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine
> how to search for it.  Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it
> came to being true.  And, of course, we ain’t done yet.  
>
> ** **
>
> N
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric
> Charles
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
>
> ** **
>
> Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will
> be the clear winner!
>
>
> 
> Eric Charles
> Assistant Professor of Psychology
> Penn State, Altoona
>
> ** **
> --
>
> *From: *"Barry MacKichan" 
> *To: *"The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.
>
> Alta Vista
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
> ** **
>
> Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine
> that hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or
> possible lycos?)
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Nicholas Thompson]

Does anybody remember a wonderful, phony corporate ad which predicted the 
eclipsing of Microsoft by an entity called Googlezon (as opposed to Amazoogle, 
I suppose).  I know it’s on my hard drive but I cannot imagine how to search 
for it.  Might be time to dust it off and wonder how close it came to being 
true.  And, of course, we ain’t done yet.  

 

N

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:45 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

 

Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be 
the clear winner!



Eric Charles
Assistant Professor of Psychology
Penn State, Altoona

 

  _  

From: "Barry MacKichan" 
To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

Alta Vista

On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:

 

Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that 
hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible 
lycos?)




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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Eric Charles]

Don't be silly. Soon as WebCrawler aggregates all those results, they will be 
the clear winner! 



 
Eric Charles 
Assistant Professor of Psychology 
Penn State, Altoona 

- Original Message -

From: "Barry MacKichan"  
To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:03:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post. 

Alta Vista 


On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore < gil.densm...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that 
hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Barry MacKichan]

I promise that from now on, I'll read all the messages before responding to 
one. ;-(
On Feb 27, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Barry MacKichan  
wrote:

> Alta Vista
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:
> 
>> Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that 
>> hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible 
>> lycos?)
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Barry MacKichan]

Alta Vista
On Feb 26, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:

> Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that 
> hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible 
> lycos?)


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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Steve Smith]

Oh, thanks. Donny and Marie being stripped. Just thanks.

It would have been a great timelapse if I'd realized it was being done 
incrementally over the several days we were there.


I think their smiles were the last to go... like Cheshire cats.


On Feb 27, 2013 10:43 AM, "Steve Smith" > wrote:


I can take the edge off of that for you... last time I was in
Vegas, I stayed at Caesers of all places (Thanksgiving trip?!) and
across the way was the 200 ft tall image of Donny and Marie on the
side of the ???xxxyyy hotel... being stripped down as we watched
over several days.

Put that image in your mind and it will all be ok...

Cool it guys.  I'm in Vegas.  Sex on every corner.  Sex at every
table.  Sex in the lobby.  Sex, sex, sex.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote:

Just to get it in before Doug can...

I don't think it would have included a "happy ending".

And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the
'BackRub' name?
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Oh, thanks. Donny and Marie being stripped. Just thanks.
 On Feb 27, 2013 10:43 AM, "Steve Smith"  wrote:

>  I can take the edge off of that for you... last time I was in Vegas, I
> stayed at Caesers of all places (Thanksgiving trip?!) and across the way
> was the 200 ft tall image of Donny and Marie on the side of the ???xxxyyy
> hotel... being stripped down as we watched over several days.
>
> Put that image in your mind and it will all be ok...
>
> Cool it guys.  I'm in Vegas.  Sex on every corner.  Sex at every table.
>  Sex in the lobby.  Sex, sex, sex.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>>  Just to get it in before Doug can...
>>
>> I don't think it would have included a "happy ending".
>>
>>  And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub'
>> name?
>> -Arlo James Barnes
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Steve Smith]

I can take the edge off of that for you... last time I was in Vegas, I 
stayed at Caesers of all places (Thanksgiving trip?!) and across the way 
was the 200 ft tall image of Donny and Marie on the side of the 
???xxxyyy hotel... being stripped down as we watched over several days.


Put that image in your mind and it will all be ok...
Cool it guys.  I'm in Vegas.  Sex on every corner.  Sex at every 
table.  Sex in the lobby.  Sex, sex, sex.



On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith > wrote:


Just to get it in before Doug can...

I don't think it would have included a "happy ending".

And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the
'BackRub' name?
-Arlo James Barnes



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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gillian Densmore]

now to develop two algorithms:
One for dougs raves about scantily clad women in las vegas
and another for his rants about google. Maybe we can use this data in
something useful.

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Cool it guys.  I'm in Vegas.  Sex on every corner.  Sex at every table.
>  Sex in the lobby.  Sex, sex, sex.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>>  Just to get it in before Doug can...
>>
>> I don't think it would have included a "happy ending".
>>
>> And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub'
>> name?
>> -Arlo James Barnes
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Cool it guys.  I'm in Vegas.  Sex on every corner.  Sex at every table.
 Sex in the lobby.  Sex, sex, sex.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:

>  Just to get it in before Doug can...
>
> I don't think it would have included a "happy ending".
>
> And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub'
> name?
> -Arlo James Barnes
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Steve Smith]

Just to get it in before Doug can...

I don't think it would have included a "happy ending".
And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' 
name?

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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Arlo Barnes]

And would things have gone the way they did if they kept the 'BackRub' name?
-Arlo James Barnes

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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gary Schiltz]

How about altavista.digital.com?

On Feb 26, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Gillian Densmore  wrote:

> Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that 
> hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible 
> lycos?)


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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gillian Densmore]

Anyone else remember when google was this small internet search engine that
hardly anyone had heard of because they were off using yahoo? (or possible
lycos?)

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:

> Chrome is nice, unless you need to run Java 7 applets or web start apps on
> a Mac. Chrome for Mac is 32-bit only, and Java 7 for Mac is 64-bit only.
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
>
> Where I think google does have identity is in the browser.  Chrome is abs
> fab, must have, and way ahead of the pack.  V8 redefined javascript.  So
> they do own their destiny there, although unfortunately for them, chrome is
> not pre-installed on mac and windows.  No problem for us but quite an issue
> for others.
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gary Schiltz]

Chrome is nice, unless you need to run Java 7 applets or web start apps on a 
Mac. Chrome for Mac is 32-bit only, and Java 7 for Mac is 64-bit only.

On Feb 26, 2013, at 11:12 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> Where I think google does have identity is in the browser.  Chrome is abs 
> fab, must have, and way ahead of the pack.  V8 redefined javascript.  So they 
> do own their destiny there, although unfortunately for them, chrome is not 
> pre-installed on mac and windows.  No problem for us but quite an issue for 
> others.


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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

Doug: I've been thinking about the google difficulty with managing their
own hardware.

It occurred to me that its history .. i.e. Apple didn't just invent a phone
out of the blue, but instead had a long history of small personal devices.
 Their mp3 players.  And they eventually evolved into a the iPod, a very
sophisticated mp3 player plus much more.  Then the iPhone.

This is also true for the Palm Treo.  Palm had the PDA .. the Palm Pilot
which had years of evolution and maturity.  Only then did they attempt the
jump to a phone.

In google's case, nada.  No hardware history to speak of.  So its not
surprising that they did not succeed.

Also, google as a company lacks the coherence and focus that both apple and
palm had.  They knew their markets and they knew their customers.  They had
considerable experience directly connecting to the customer.  Apple even
went so far as to have stores .. very direct connection with their
customers.

As much as I love the "google ecology" for mail, docs, search etc .. and
admire their 2-factor authentication, I don't think of them as a single
entity .. but a bunch of "loosely coupled, tightly aligned" services.  But
the internet is not a market, its a utility like water.

So a google phone is sorta like a Facebook phone, or a Twitter phone.
 Indeed, because they are both greatly engaged with communication, they
make more sense to me than a google phone.

Android came out of google's several attempts to gain traction in the
web/internet world, a "web os".  But even there, they really didn't go the
extra mile.  I'd expect Comcast to build a more effective web device ..
internet is a core competency for them.  Google uses the internet and has
data centers, but they are not in control of the network aspect.

So google has an identity problem.  They apparently make their jack on
advertisement.  Would you expect an advertisement agency to build a good
phone?

Where I think google does have identity is in the browser.  Chrome is abs
fab, must have, and way ahead of the pack.  V8 redefined javascript.  So
they do own their destiny there, although unfortunately for them, chrome is
not pre-installed on mac and windows.  No problem for us but quite an issue
for others.

Google really should be called Google Group, LLC with several separate
competency centers that go whole hog after single, focused markets.  G+ is
a winner, but they need to treat it like Facebook, not part of google.
 Android is an OS.  Sun found out selling OSs doesn't work.  And worse,
android, in the phone market, is split between the Unholy Trinity of
carrier, handset provider, and google as OS.

So either google catches up with history, slowly, as done by apple and palm
.. and plans for that type of evolutionary progress, or google will
distract itself into other ventures like "big media" and even "banking"
like google wallet.

Here's a question that focuses: which industry would google do best to
acquire dominance?  Should they buy Verizon or Comcast to own the internet
they so well understand .. google fiber to the home?  Should they buy
Disney or CBS or MSNBC or Sony to become a media giant?  Should they buy
Amazon to become e-commerce giants?  Should they buy AWS to own internet
IT?  Amazon is actually a great example .. I really do "get" Amazon and
understand their evolution.  Kindle, sure obvious.  AWS, sure why not
outsource IT if your already the best?  Cloud music?  Sure, already sell it
so make it a "library in the sky".

Google refuses both history and evolution and focus.  They say they're and
advertisement company.  Would you buy a phone from an advertisement company?

Until coherence, no success.

   -- Owen

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

Yeah but damn its hard to get reasonable broadband here.  A couple of cans
and string would beat what I got.

   -- Owen

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Robert Holmes wrote:

> "Massive use" in US = "normal use" in the rest of civilization.
>
> Verizon just tried to sign a friend up to a wireless plan as her main
> internet access. Monthly cap? 5Gb. That's about a movie and a half at HD.
>
> —R
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>
>>
> Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc).
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Robert Holmes]

"Massive use" in US = "normal use" in the rest of civilization.

Verizon just tried to sign a friend up to a wireless plan as her main
internet access. Monthly cap? 5Gb. That's about a movie and a half at HD.

—R


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> 
>

>
Currently they are expensive for massive use (movies etc).
>
>

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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

I'm in Las Vegas NV for the next few days, regularly getting 18 Mbps down,
1 Mbps up on my $30/month "unlimited" T-Mobile plan.

-Doug
On Feb 24, 2013 11:13 AM, "Owen Densmore"  wrote:

> God, thats amazing speed.
>
> I wonder if the cell providers might eventually take over broadband to the
> home?  I know there are "cell  modem" like critters that work as home
> broadband (Carl uses one).  Currently they are expensive for massive use
> (movies etc).
>
> But with the failure of good broadband availability in much of the US,
> anyway, it seems a compelling market.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now
>> sitting in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up
>> with a solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works.
>> Google is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone.
>>  On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:
>>
>>> That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
>>> Bluetooth speakers.  :)
>>> On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>
> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>
> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
> short list.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed
>> a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
>> time?
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at 
>> the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and 
>> Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
>> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you 
>> tried
>> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which 
>> the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried
>> to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore >> > wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (a

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

God, thats amazing speed.

I wonder if the cell providers might eventually take over broadband to the
home?  I know there are "cell  modem" like critters that work as home
broadband (Carl uses one).  Currently they are expensive for massive use
(movies etc).

But with the failure of good broadband availability in much of the US,
anyway, it seems a compelling market.

   -- Owen

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now
> sitting in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up
> with a solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works.
> Google is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone.
> On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:
>
>> That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
>> Bluetooth speakers.  :)
>> On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
 that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:

 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3

 Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
 short list.

 --Doug


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Doug --
>
> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed
> a custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
> time?
>
> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and 
> Bluetooth.
>
> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you 
> tried
> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
> but it didn't make it.
>
> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried
> to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>
> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>> Browser:
>> Firefox 18.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1280x800
>> Total Visits:
>> 15
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>  IP Address:
>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like I.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

 Page Views:
 1
 Entry Page Time:
 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
 Browser:
 Chrome 25.0
 OS:
 MacOSX
 Resolution:
 1440x900
 Total Visits:
 11
 Location:
 Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
 IP Address:
 Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
 Address]
 Referring URL:
 (No referring link)
 Visit Page:
  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore <
> o...@backspaces.net> wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>
>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smart

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

So, after bitching about WiFi on the Nexus 4 earlier today, I'm now sitting
in the Airport Hyatt in Abq getting 14 Mbps down, and 2 Mbps up with a
solid HSPA+ T-Mobile connection, and guess what: everything works. Google
is an idiot for not fixing WiFi on this phone.
On Feb 23, 2013 6:02 PM, "Douglas Roberts"  wrote:

> That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
> Bluetooth speakers.  :)
> On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore" 
> wrote:
>
>> gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
>>> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>>>
>>> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>>>
>>> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
>>> short list.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>>>
 Doug --

 So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
 custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?


 WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
 band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
 which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
 same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
 implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
 never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and 
 Bluetooth.

 My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
 able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried
 to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
 radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
 attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
 but it didn't make it.

 There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried
 to run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.

 So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
 Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?

 -- rec --


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
> Browser:
> Firefox 18.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1280x800
> Total Visits:
> 15
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>  IP Address:
> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like I.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>>> Browser:
>>> Chrome 25.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1440x900
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 11
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>> IP Address:
>>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>>> Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
 black sheep of the cell phone flock.

 --Doug


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore <
 o...@backspaces.net> wrote:

> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>
> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung
> Nexus and LG Nexus is?
>
> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy
> line and the Nexus line.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> There, fixed that.
>>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts
>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

That was next on my list, after getting Pandora running over WiFi to my
Bluetooth speakers.  :)
On Feb 23, 2013 5:52 PM, "Gillian Densmore"  wrote:

> gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
>> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>>
>> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>>
>> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
>> short list.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>>
>>> Doug --
>>>
>>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>>
>>>
>>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
>>> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>>>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried
>>> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>>> but it didn't make it.
>>>
>>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>>
>>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>>
>>> -- rec --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:

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 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Sounds like I.
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>> Browser:
>> Chrome 25.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1440x900
>> Total Visits:
>> 11
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>> IP Address:
>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>> Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore >> > wrote:
>>>
 After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier

 http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
 .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung
 Nexus and LG Nexus is?

 The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
 and the Nexus line.

-- Owen

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
> * 
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>
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>

>

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Gillian Densmore]

gasp didn't root it to make a beowolf cluster?

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones that
> can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>
> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>
> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short
> list.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
>> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
>> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
>> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>
>>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>>> and LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>>> and the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

 --
 *Doug Roberts
 d...@parrot-farm.net*
 *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
 * 
 505-455-7333 - Office
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>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Bruce Sherwood]

I only tried navigation mode once, briefly, so I can't really testify to
what happens with my AT&T Galaxy S3 in that respect.

My main beef with Google currently is that despite major complaints,
including a person pointing out the dangers to someone as a result of
revealing rather publicly with whom they've been "hanging out", is that it
is still true that Google+ logs your hangouts in your list of activities.

Bruce


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Stephen Guerin  wrote:

> The Galaxy S3 has been good on wifi with bluetooth listening to Pandora
> (doing it now). I can't hear the multiplexing you refer to, Roger (though
> I'm deaf in an ear and tend not to hear high-frequencies well).
>
> I am seeing a similar Google non response to a known issue having to do
> with the Galaxy S3 crashing in Google Maps navigation mode.
> https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mobile/IlJDfMkgl3U.
> Very frustrating/dangerous when trying to rely on it in heavy traffic
> trying to make a meeting or flight :-)
>
> Bruce, does navigation mode sometimes crash for you?
>
> -S
>
>
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>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
>> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
>> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
>> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>
>>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>>> and LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>>> and the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-l

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Google's whole "We're Google, fuck you." attitude is getting a bit old.
 Not only can we not get them to acknowledge that the bad wifi / bluetooth
interaction exists on the Nexus 4, we can't get any info on whether it is a
hardware or software issue.

--Doug


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Now that I think on it some more, there's really no reason that a radio
> should not be able to receive and transmit WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
> time.  It's a little trickier than doing one at a time, but the tricks are
> in the software, or in the DSP hardware part of the radio.
>
> There are a whole slew of phones running the same chip as the Nexus 4,
> listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_S4#Snapdragon_S4 in the 
> APQ8064
> row.  The LG Optimus G runs the same processor as the Nexus 4, but using
> Android 4.0.  The HTC Droid DNA runs the same processor, but using Android
> 4.1.  The Sony Xperia Z will run the same processor, but using Android 4.1.
>  Hmm, you can see how requests to fix Android 4.2 drivers might end up at
> the end of the queue, assuming that any requests have been made.
>
> And I misspoke,  the unregulated band is at 2.4 GHz, not 2.1 GHz.
>
> -- rec --
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Roger Critchlow]

Now that I think on it some more, there's really no reason that a radio
should not be able to receive and transmit WiFi and Bluetooth at the same
time.  It's a little trickier than doing one at a time, but the tricks are
in the software, or in the DSP hardware part of the radio.

There are a whole slew of phones running the same chip as the Nexus 4,
listed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_S4#Snapdragon_S4 in
the APQ8064
row.  The LG Optimus G runs the same processor as the Nexus 4, but using
Android 4.0.  The HTC Droid DNA runs the same processor, but using Android
4.1.  The Sony Xperia Z will run the same processor, but using Android 4.1.
 Hmm, you can see how requests to fix Android 4.2 drivers might end up at
the end of the queue, assuming that any requests have been made.

And I misspoke,  the unregulated band is at 2.4 GHz, not 2.1 GHz.

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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Stephen Guerin]

The Galaxy S3 has been good on wifi with bluetooth listening to Pandora
(doing it now). I can't hear the multiplexing you refer to, Roger (though
I'm deaf in an ear and tend not to hear high-frequencies well).

I am seeing a similar Google non response to a known issue having to do
with the Galaxy S3 crashing in Google Maps navigation mode.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/mobile/IlJDfMkgl3U.
Very frustrating/dangerous when trying to rely on it in heavy traffic
trying to make a meeting or flight :-)

Bruce, does navigation mode sometimes crash for you?

-S


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On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Doug --
>
> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>
>
> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>
> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
> but it didn't make it.
>
> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>
> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth
> operated simultaneously with no problems?
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>> Browser:
>> Firefox 18.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1280x800
>> Total Visits:
>> 15
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>  IP Address:
>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like I.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

 Page Views:
 1
 Entry Page Time:
 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
 Browser:
 Chrome 25.0
 OS:
 MacOSX
 Resolution:
 1440x900
 Total Visits:
 11
 Location:
 Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
 IP Address:
 Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
 Address]
 Referring URL:
 (No referring link)
 Visit Page:
  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>
>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>> and LG Nexus is?
>>
>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>> and the Nexus line.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> There, fixed that.
>>>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>>> * 
>>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>>
>>> 
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>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
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>>
>>
>> ==

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Sorry for not collecting all my responses up into one email, but I guess
that technically, I do have one more complaint about the Nexus 4: battery
life is somewhat reduced from having to run the push notifications fixer
app to nudge the phone awake every 5 minutes, for those occasions that the
buggy Qualcomm wifi driver has temporarily defeated the workaround
described here .


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Oh, and BTW:  Pandora on the Nexus 4 via wifi sounds fine.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones
>> that can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>>
>> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>>
>> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a
>> short list.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>>
>>> Doug --
>>>
>>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>>
>>>
>>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>>
>>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was
>>> able to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.
>>>  That worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried
>>> to stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>>> but it didn't make it.
>>>
>>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>>
>>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>>
>>> -- rec --
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:

 Page Views:
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 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> Sounds like I.
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>> Browser:
>> Chrome 25.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1440x900
>> Total Visits:
>> 11
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>> IP Address:
>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>> Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore >> > wrote:
>>>
 After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier

 http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
 .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung
 Nexus and LG Nexus is?

 The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
 and the Nexus line.

-- Owen

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
 d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
> * 
>>

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Oh, and BTW:  Pandora on the Nexus 4 via wifi sounds fine.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones that
> can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:
>
> 1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3
>
> Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short
> list.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
>
>> Doug --
>>
>> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
>> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>>
>>
>> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
>> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
>> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
>> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
>> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
>> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>>
>> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
>> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
>> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
>> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
>> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
>> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
>> but it didn't make it.
>>
>> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
>> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>>
>> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and
>> Bluetooth operated simultaneously with no problems?
>>
>> -- rec --
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>>> Browser:
>>> Firefox 18.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1280x800
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 15
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>>  IP Address:
>>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 Sounds like I.

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
> Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the
>> black sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>
>>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>>> and LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>>> and the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

 --
 *Doug Roberts
 d...@parrot-farm.net*
 *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
 * 
 505-455-7333 - Office
 505-672-8213 - Mobile*

 
 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Doug

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

Yep, that's my one remaining complaint, Roger.  And my list of phones that
can run wifi and bluetooth simultaneously is the following:

1) My previous phone, HTC Thunderbolt, running Android Gingerbread 2.3

Of course, that's the only other Android phone I've owned, so it's a short
list.

--Doug


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:

> Doug --
>
> So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
> custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?
>
>
> WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated
> band) and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio,
> which would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the
> same time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard
> implementation of cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've
> never seen a spec that specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.
>
> My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
> to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
> worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
> stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
> radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
> attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
> but it didn't make it.
>
> There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
> run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.
>
> So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth
> operated simultaneously with no problems?
>
> -- rec --
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
>> Browser:
>> Firefox 18.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1280x800
>> Total Visits:
>> 15
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>  IP Address:
>> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds like I.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

 Page Views:
 1
 Entry Page Time:
 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
 Browser:
 Chrome 25.0
 OS:
 MacOSX
 Resolution:
 1440x900
 Total Visits:
 11
 Location:
 Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
 IP Address:
 Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
 Address]
 Referring URL:
 (No referring link)
 Visit Page:
  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>
>> http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
>> and LG Nexus is?
>>
>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
>> and the Nexus line.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
>> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>>
>>> There, fixed that.
>>>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>>> * 
>>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>>
>>> 
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
> * 
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>



 --
 *Doug Roberts
 d...@parrot-farm.net*
 *http://parr

Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Roger Critchlow]

Doug --

So your complaint at this point, now that you've rooted and installed a
custom ROM, is that the phone can't do WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time?


WiFi and Bluetooth both use the same frequencies (2.1 GHz unregulated band)
and I've seen specs where they're implemented in the same radio, which
would mean that you could have one or the other, but not both at the same
time.  It wouldn't surprise me if that were the standard implementation of
cell phone WiFi and Bluetooth, especially since I've never seen a spec that
specified two separate radios for WiFi and Bluetooth.

My HTC Nexus One, the one that eventually went through the wash, was able
to stream audio over bluetooth when you plugged it into its cradle.  That
worked fine if it was playing mp3's off the SDcard.  But if you tried to
stream Pandora from WiFi then you could hear the frequency at which the
radio was multiplexing between WiFi and Bluetooth.  It was a magnificent
attempt to make two digital systems stretch to create an analog illusion,
but it didn't make it.

There's two phones, Nexus 4 and Nexus One, where we've actually tried to
run WiFi and Bluetooth at the same time and had problems.

So, where's the list of phones that you've tested where WiFi and Bluetooth
operated simultaneously with no problems?

-- rec --


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
> Browser:
> Firefox 18.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1280x800
> Total Visits:
> 15
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> Sounds like I.
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>>
>>> Page Views:
>>> 1
>>> Entry Page Time:
>>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>>> Browser:
>>> Chrome 25.0
>>> OS:
>>> MacOSX
>>> Resolution:
>>> 1440x900
>>> Total Visits:
>>> 11
>>> Location:
>>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>>> IP Address:
>>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP
>>> Address]
>>> Referring URL:
>>> (No referring link)
>>> Visit Page:
>>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
 sheep of the cell phone flock.

 --Doug


 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:

> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
> and LG Nexus is?
>
> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line
> and the Nexus line.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts <
> d...@parrot-farm.net> wrote:
>
>> There, fixed that.
>>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts
>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>> * 
>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>
>> 
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>
>
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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 --
 *Doug Roberts
 d...@parrot-farm.net*
 *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
 * 
 505-455-7333 - Office
 505-672-8213 - Mobile*

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>>> * 
>>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>>
>>> 
>>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

And Steve is easy to pick out of the crowd:

Page Views:
1
Entry Page Time:
23 Feb 2013 11:05:47
Browser:
Firefox 18.0
OS:
MacOSX
Resolution:
1280x800
Total Visits:
15
Location:
Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
IP Address:
Tewa Broadband Chimayo Red, Llc (65.19.38.201) [Label IP Address]
Referring URL:
(No referring link)
Visit Page:
 things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html



On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Sounds like I.
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>>
>> Page Views:
>> 1
>> Entry Page Time:
>> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
>> Browser:
>> Chrome 25.0
>> OS:
>> MacOSX
>> Resolution:
>> 1440x900
>> Total Visits:
>> 11
>> Location:
>> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
>> IP Address:
>> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address]
>> Referring URL:
>> (No referring link)
>> Visit Page:
>>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
>>> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>>
>>> --Doug
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>>
 After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
 .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus
 and LG Nexus is?

 The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
 the Nexus line.

-- Owen

 On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts >>> > wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
> * 
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>


 
 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
 Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
 to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
>>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>>> * 
>>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts
>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>> * 
>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>
>> 
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>
>
>
> 
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>



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* 
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

Sounds like I.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:
>
> Page Views:
> 1
> Entry Page Time:
> 23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
> Browser:
> Chrome 25.0
> OS:
> MacOSX
> Resolution:
> 1440x900
> Total Visits:
> 11
> Location:
> Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
> IP Address:
> Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address]
> Referring URL:
> (No referring link)
> Visit Page:
>  things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
>> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>>
>> --Doug
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>>
>>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and
>>> LG Nexus is?
>>>
>>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
>>> the Nexus line.
>>>
>>>-- Owen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There, fixed that.

 http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

 --
 *Doug Roberts
 d...@parrot-farm.net*
 *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
 * 
 505-455-7333 - Office
 505-672-8213 - Mobile*

 
 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
 Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
 to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com

>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>>> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Doug Roberts
>> d...@parrot-farm.net*
>> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
>> * 
>> 505-455-7333 - Office
>> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Doug Roberts
> d...@parrot-farm.net*
> *http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins*
> * 
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-672-8213 - Mobile*
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

BTW Owen, I believe I've got you identified:

Page Views:
1
Entry Page Time:
23 Feb 2013 11:03:59
Browser:
Chrome 25.0
OS:
MacOSX
Resolution:
1440x900
Total Visits:
11
Location:
Santa Fe, New Mexico, United States
IP Address:
Cyber Mesa Computer Systems, Incorporated (65.19.28.73) [Label IP Address]
Referring URL:
(No referring link)
Visit Page:
 things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
> sheep of the cell phone flock.
>
> --Doug
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore wrote:
>
>> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
>> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and
>> LG Nexus is?
>>
>> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
>> the Nexus line.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There, fixed that.
>>>
>>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Doug Roberts
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

I noticed that as well.  The Nexus (and Google) appear to be the black
sheep of the cell phone flock.

--Doug


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
>   http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
> .. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and
> LG Nexus is?
>
> The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and
> the Nexus line.
>
>-- Owen
>
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:
>
>> There, fixed that.
>>
>> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Owen Densmore]

After looking at the FixYa report I posted earlier
  http://blog.fixya.com/pr/feb2013/smartphone-manufacturer-report.html
.. it made me wonder what the relationship between the Samsung Nexus and LG
Nexus is?

The report felt it important to distinguish between the Galaxy line and the
Nexus line.

   -- Owen

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> There, fixed that.
>
> http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html
>
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[FRIAM] Wow. 6 whole days without a Nexus 4 post.

[Douglas Roberts]

There, fixed that.

http://things-linux.blogspot.com/2013/02/96-days-and-counting.html

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