RE: [Futurework] some really big questions

2005-07-23 Thread Harry Pollard
Chris,

Large profits arrive when lots of consumers are clamoring
for the cars - and consumers loved the SUV's.

With the advent of higher gas prices, the car companies are
having a hard time. All of them are deep discounting their
producers.

Well, it's true that SUV's are just a smidgen less safe than
compacts, though they are safer than sub-compacts.

Trouble is that people are likely to start buying those
unsafe sub-compacts to save on gas costs.

I'm sorry you are so affected by advertising. You must try
to ignore it as we do.

Harry

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 Harry Pollard wrote:
  The car industry doesn't prefer to sell 12-20 mpg
rolling
  fortresses because they (and their buddies in the oil
  industry) can make much higher profits that way.
 
  It can sell only what people want - otherwise they go
broke.
 
 On the contrary... the profit margin for SUVs is up to
$15,000 per
 car,
 compared to a few hundred bucks for a normal car.  So
much
 money for
 such cheapo and unsafe trash.  That's why all car
manufacturers
 jumped
 on the SUV bandwagon -- not to go broke! (Market
competition,
 you know.)
 There are even Porsche SUVs -- basically an oxymoron, one
would
 have thought.
 
 
  It's called the market.
 
 Yeah, eh.  Guess what's the purpose of advertising ?
 Image is everything.  Lemmings buy what the ads are
pushing.
 
 
  As gas prices rise, the consumer is beginning to look
  askance at the behemoths. So, the car industry will have
to
  sell smaller or more economical cars.
 
 The SUV arms race on the roads will prevent that.  A few
SUVs on
 the roads are enough -- and people will grab for the
ever-bigger
 calibres of rolling fortresses, for fear of being crushed.
 
 As for gas prices, the empire will see to it that they
won't rise too
 much.
 That's what all the fuss since Gulf War I is about.
 
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RE: [Futurework] some really big questions

2005-07-19 Thread Cordell, Arthur: ECOM
Agree with Chris on this one.

Its the Detroit Mullahs conspiring with a complaisant Washington which, in 
effect, allowed for the avoidance of CAFE standards on fleet fuel efficiency.

Margins are higher on SUVs.  Way higher than on the Detroit compacts.

arthur

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That's a political question rather than a scientific one.

Since practical 120-250 mpg cars (and even a 12,000 mpg prototype) have
been developed (ironically in this country without an own car industry
-- coincidence?), the hurdle is not scientific feasibility but the
political influence of the incredibly powerful U$ / ¤U car industry
that prefers to sell 12-20 mpg rolling fortresses because they (and
their buddies in the oil industry) can make much higher profits that way.
The Detroit Mullahs are even more problematic than the others...

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RE: [Futurework] some really big questions

2005-07-19 Thread Cordell, Arthur: ECOM
perceive them as lagging behind Japanese autos in quality and durability. GM 
and Ford factories
also have long lagged behind the best rival Japanese factories in productivity. 
Meanwhile, the
companies pay more per vehicle than their foreign rivals, because of the high 
costs of their North American work forces.

Now the two auto giants are under enormous pressure to find a way to rebuild 
SUV profits or
quickly develop models in other segments that can replace the margins they once 
enjoyed on
SUVs. GM and Ford have mapped out starkly different plans for recovery.

Ford's plan depends on breaking away from the Hollywood blockbuster business 
mode. To
offset lower SUV margins, the company hopes to cut its development costs enough 
to make
respectable profits on a new generation of cars and crossovers. The company 
concluded a few
years ago that demand for truck-based SUVs had peaked.

We couldn't have everything riding on just a few products, Mr. Ford said in a 
recent
conference call with reporters. We had to change our cost structure so that we 
didn't lose
money on the smaller [vehicles] The overall blend, when you add up the 
total Ford lineup,
should deliver us very good profitability.

By contrast, GM is betting SUV sales will rebound next year. The company 
recently delayed
work on a line of rear-wheel-drive cars. Instead said it will divert engineers 
and money to
speeding up the launch early next year of redesigned versions of its largest 
SUVs. GM officials
say these new versions of the Suburban and Yukon will offer improved gas 
mileage and a less
truck-like ride.

In a recent interview, GM Chairman and CEO G. Richard Wagoner acknowledged the 
SUV
segment won't grow as fast as it did in the past. But he said GM expects demand 
to remain fairly
strong, despite higher fuel prices. Buyers of GM's large SUVs, he said, tend to 
have higher
incomes and these people don't indicate that at current levels of gasoline 
prices they are going
to significantly change their behavior.

A GM spokesman said yesterday that the company also plans to launch 14 new 
crossover models
between now and the 2009 model year.

Complicating the challenge for GM and Ford: The growing crossover market, which 
is almost as
large as the traditional SUV market, is dominated by Japanese and European auto 
makers. As
those companies saw Detroit raking in profits with SUVs, they had no fast way 
to get in on the
action, because they lacked high-volume truck-making operations in the U.S. 
Instead, companies
like Honda and BMW AG, built SUVs on the foundations of the cars or minivans 
they already
made.
Honda's successful Acura MDX crossover is derived from the company's Odyssey 
minivan, for
example. Because they don't have the heavy steel frame of truck-based SUVs, 
crossovers tend to
ride more comfortably and get better gas mileage.
Meanwhile, crossover vehicles like the Honda Pilot or Toyota's Highlander and 
Lexus RX330
and Nissan Motor Corp.'s Murano are selling well with far smaller rebates than 
Detroit's SUVs.
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Harry Pollard wrote:
 The car industry doesn't prefer to sell 12-20 mpg rolling
 fortresses because they (and their buddies in the oil
 industry) can make much higher profits that way.

 It can sell only what people want - otherwise they go broke.

On the contrary... the profit margin for SUVs is up to $15,000 per car,
compared to a few hundred bucks for a normal car.  So much money for
such cheapo and unsafe trash.  That's why all car manufacturers jumped
on the SUV bandwagon -- not to go broke! (Market competition, you know.)
There are even Porsche SUVs -- basically an oxymoron, one would have thought.


 It's called the market.

Yeah, eh.  Guess what's the purpose of advertising ?
Image is everything.  Lemmings buy what the ads are pushing.


 As gas prices rise, the consumer is beginning to look
 askance at the behemoths. So, the car industry will have to
 sell smaller or more economical cars.

The SUV arms race on the roads will prevent that.  A few SUVs on
the roads are enough -- and people will grab for the ever-bigger
calibres of rolling fortresses, for fear of being crushed.

As for gas prices, the empire will see to it that they won't rise too much.
That's what all the fuss since Gulf War I is about.

Chris





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