Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Michael Großer]

Hi!

Thank you! This issue is still open for me.

If there is actually a patch, then I could discuss it in the
Mozilla and Pale Moon communities.

After some weeks, I should be able to tackle the whole issue.

I only have zero or 90 minutes per day to deal with such
kind of issue, which is the reason why this all gets protracted
that much.

- Michael -



Raimund Steger wrote:
> On Wed, March 30, 2016 06:12, Michael Großer wrote:
>>
>>
>> +---+
>> | Does anybody of you is confronted during day-to-day work with |
>> | issues that Firefox menues disappear when you are about to|
>> | open a sub menu or another menu?  |
>> +---+
>>
> 
> I know it's been a while now, but I don't read the list regularly...
> 
> The described behavior sounds very close to what I started experiencing
> with SeaMonkey 2.10 (corresponds to Firefox 13) and have been dealing with
> ever since.
> 
> Back then I opened a Mozilla bug but it got little attention.
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770393
> 
> What fixed the problem for me was the attached patch in that bug (using
> GDK_CURRENT_TIME in nsWindow::GrabPointer). This reverts the "annoying"
> part of the fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500081,
> which I suspected being the issue.
> 
> It's of little help though as most of the time I don't use my own compiled
> Firefoxes.
> 
> So -- not 100% sure it's the same issue but it sounds close enough.
> 
> Raimund
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Raimund Steger]

On Wed, March 30, 2016 06:12, Michael Großer wrote:
>
>
> +---+
> | Does anybody of you is confronted during day-to-day work with |
> | issues that Firefox menues disappear when you are about to|
> | open a sub menu or another menu?  |
> +---+
>

I know it's been a while now, but I don't read the list regularly...

The described behavior sounds very close to what I started experiencing
with SeaMonkey 2.10 (corresponds to Firefox 13) and have been dealing with
ever since.

Back then I opened a Mozilla bug but it got little attention.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=770393

What fixed the problem for me was the attached patch in that bug (using
GDK_CURRENT_TIME in nsWindow::GrabPointer). This reverts the "annoying"
part of the fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500081,
which I suspected being the issue.

It's of little help though as most of the time I don't use my own compiled
Firefoxes.

So -- not 100% sure it's the same issue but it sounds close enough.

Raimund




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Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Michael Großer]

sisyphus wrote:
> On 04/01/2016 06:51 AM, Michael Großer wrote:
>> Hi! Many thanks to all of you for your feedback. As I wrote in Bug
>> 1259520, it must have something to do with FVWM conditions that are
>> triggered everey few seconds by periodic Schedule commands. These
>> conditions seem to interfere with Firefox versions newer than 12.
> 
> This rings a bell.
> 
> In my old setup, I have an FvwmButtons module that is updated every 3
> seconds via an fvwmperl module. The periodic command it sends to fvwm is
> "UpdateGraphs", which happens to be a complex function from my fvwmrc. I
> posted this setup back a bit...
> 
> https://gist.github.com/dru8274/fd645f6309e6e50cd359
> 
> DestroyFunc UpdateGraphs
> AddToFunc UpdateGraphs
> + I SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-cpu Icon graph-cpu.png
> + I Schedule 150 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-mem Icon
> graph-mem.png
> + I Schedule 300 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-iow Icon
> graph-iow.png
> + I Schedule 450 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-disk Icon
> graph-disk.png
> + I Schedule 600 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-net Icon
> graph-net.png
> 
> Well, according to the manpage, "during execution of complex functions,
> fvwm needs to take all input from the mouse pointer". Such that in
> periodically running this complex function, the mouse pointer is being
> grabbed every 3 seconds. And if I happen to have a firefox menu open,
> then it suddenly disappears. It is as if firefox wants the mouse pointer
> for its menu, but fvwm has grabbed it instead?
> 
> So I have been mucking around with this. When I rewrote my fvwmperl
> module to replace the complex function UpdateGraphs with simpler fvwm
> commands, the interrupted firefox menus problem just disappeared. For me
> at least.

Hi!

Thank you for your conformation that you too were affected by such
kind of bug.

Also, the quotation from the man page could be helpful for me.

I guess that I will need 2 weeks to build a Debian Jessie based
scenario with FVWM 2.6.6 to show that the issue still exists
with current versions of the involved software.

Then, we can discuss who could do what to eliminate the issue:
FVWM developers, Firefox developers or FVWM users like me.

Best regards,
Michael

Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[sisyphus]

On 04/01/2016 06:51 AM, Michael Großer wrote:
Hi! Many thanks to all of you for your feedback. As I wrote in Bug 
1259520, it must have something to do with FVWM conditions that are 
triggered everey few seconds by periodic Schedule commands. These 
conditions seem to interfere with Firefox versions newer than 12.


This rings a bell.

In my old setup, I have an FvwmButtons module that is updated every 3 
seconds via an fvwmperl module. The periodic command it sends to fvwm is 
"UpdateGraphs", which happens to be a complex function from my fvwmrc. I 
posted this setup back a bit...


https://gist.github.com/dru8274/fd645f6309e6e50cd359

DestroyFunc UpdateGraphs
AddToFunc UpdateGraphs
+ I SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-cpu Icon graph-cpu.png
+ I Schedule 150 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-mem Icon 
graph-mem.png
+ I Schedule 300 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-iow Icon 
graph-iow.png
+ I Schedule 450 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-disk Icon 
graph-disk.png
+ I Schedule 600 SendToModule Graphs ChangeButton graph-net Icon 
graph-net.png


Well, according to the manpage, "during execution of complex functions, 
fvwm needs to take all input from the mouse pointer". Such that in 
periodically running this complex function, the mouse pointer is being 
grabbed every 3 seconds. And if I happen to have a firefox menu open, 
then it suddenly disappears. It is as if firefox wants the mouse pointer 
for its menu, but fvwm has grabbed it instead?


So I have been mucking around with this. When I rewrote my fvwmperl 
module to replace the complex function UpdateGraphs with simpler fvwm 
commands, the interrupted firefox menus problem just disappeared. For me 
at least.

Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Michael Großer]

sisyphus wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> Replying to you directly, since I seem to be having issues posting to
> the fvwm mailing list. Something that I'll sort out another day.
> 
>> +---+
>> | Does anybody of you is confronted during day-to-day work with |
>> | issues that Firefox menues disappear when you are about to|
>> | open a sub menu or another menu?  |
>> +---+
> 
> Yes, but it hasn't happened recently that I recall. But over the last 6
> months, the problem has vexed me greatly. It has also affected Thunderbird.
> 
> I run different fvwmrc on two different laptops, both with Debian
> testing, different versions of Firefox/Iceweasel, and with different
> firefox profiles - messy. So I would need to investigate further to say
> which version + fvwmrc caused the problem yet.
> 
> Grant
> 
> 



Hi!

Many thanks to all of you for your feedback.

As I wrote in Bug 1259520, it must have something to do with
FVWM conditions that are triggered everey few seconds by periodic
Schedule commands. These conditions seem to interfere with Firefox
versions newer than 12.

My plan for the next weeks:
- Setting up Debian Jessie in VirtualBox
- Installing FVWM 2.6.6 there
- Trying to demonstrate the issue with brand-new software

When I'm done with this, I will get in touch again both
via bug 1259520 and via FVWM mailing list.

Best regards,
Michael



P.S.
@Grant: I replied to your reply via FVWM list.
I hope this is OK ;-)

Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Martin Cermak]

Hey guys,

no such issue seen of Fedora 16, 20, 23, and CentOS 7. 
Using distribution packages exclusively.

Martin

On  Wed  2016-03-30  06:12 , Michael Großer wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I have a problem with newer versions of Firefox (and Thunderbird), so
> after several months (probably years) of suffering, I finally filed a bug
> last Thursday (after my patience snapped and I no longer could stall
> this issue):
> 
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1259520
> Bug 1259520 - Pull down menus close when I try to choose menu items
> 
> Just now, it dawned on me that my FVWM config settings could be in
> conflict with something that was not in Firefox until version 12
> but was newly introduced into Firefox 13 back in the year 2012.
> 
> Because I need some time to adapt to newer software versions,
> I notice such conflicts rather late.
> 
> Some minutes ago, I did the test with a naked FVWM (entirely
> without config) and I couldn't reproduce the Firefox bug, so
> all I have to do is, systematically finding the difference between
> a naked FVWM und my own FVWM config.
> 
> But, I'm curious, and I want to ask you:
> 
> +---+
> | Does anybody of you is confronted during day-to-day work with |
> | issues that Firefox menues disappear when you are about to|
> | open a sub menu or another menu?  |
> +---+
> 
> Just all I want from you is: I want to roughly estimate how
> many FVWM users are affected or whether any FVWM user was
> at all affected by the bug I'm currently tackling.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Michael Großer

Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[gi1242+fvwm]

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 06:12:07AM +0200, Michael Großer wrote:

> +---+
> | Does anybody of you is confronted during day-to-day work with |
> | issues that Firefox menues disappear when you are about to|
> | open a sub menu or another menu?  |
> +---+

No problem for me.

Debian 8.3
iceweasel 38.7.1esr-1~deb8u1
fvwm 1:2.6.5.ds-3

GI

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Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Dan Espen]

Michael Großer  writes:

> Hi!
>
> I have a problem with newer versions of Firefox (and Thunderbird), so
> after several months (probably years) of suffering, I finally filed a bug
> last Thursday (after my patience snapped and I no longer could stall
> this issue):
>
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1259520
> Bug 1259520 - Pull down menus close when I try to choose menu items
>
> Just now, it dawned on me that my FVWM config settings could be in
> conflict with something that was not in Firefox until version 12
> but was newly introduced into Firefox 13 back in the year 2012.
>
> Because I need some time to adapt to newer software versions,
> I notice such conflicts rather late.
>
> Some minutes ago, I did the test with a naked FVWM (entirely
> without config) and I couldn't reproduce the Firefox bug, so
> all I have to do is, systematically finding the difference between
> a naked FVWM und my own FVWM config.
>
> But, I'm curious, and I want to ask you:
>
> +---+
> | Does anybody of you is confronted during day-to-day work with |
> | issues that Firefox menues disappear when you are about to|
> | open a sub menu or another menu?  |
> +---+
>
> Just all I want from you is: I want to roughly estimate how
> many FVWM users are affected or whether any FVWM user was
> at all affected by the bug I'm currently tackling.

Hi,

No such problem here.

Firefox 44.0.2.
Fedora 22.

Have you run Firefox from the command line looking for any error
messages it might be throwing?

-- 
Dan Espen

Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Glenn Golden]

Michael Großer  [2016-03-30 06:12:07 +0200]:
> 
> +---+
> | Does anybody of you is confronted during day-to-day work with |
> | issues that Firefox menues disappear when you are about to|
> | open a sub menu or another menu?  |
> +---+
> 

I don't run Firefox, but have frequently seen behavior that sounds at least
superficially similar to what you're describing, with a java-based application
that I use all day long. However, since it occurs only with that app, and
since that app is java -- the original Mr. Doesn't Play Well with Others -- my
careless assumption has always been that java was probably the cause, not FVWM
or some interaction between the two. (I've never run this app under any window
manager other than FVWM, so can't supply any comparitive info.) 

I would be glad to know if there is some config tweak within FVWM that
could work around this issue, it's a pita.

More detail on my app behavior if it is of interest, just ask and
I will describe the behavior in more detail.

Glenn

Re: FVWM: Survey: Are you affected by disappearing Firefox menus?

[Lucio Chiappetti]

On Wed, 30 Mar 2016, Michael Großer wrote:


I have a problem with newer versions of Firefox (and Thunderbird), so
after several months (probably years) of suffering, I finally ...


I am not sure if your question really concerns FVWM ... anyhow it is one 
and half year I abandoned Firefox in favour of Pale Moon (see my 
signature) which is how Firefox used to be, and more, and has a very 
responsing forum and supporting community !


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