Re: FVWM: i can't run fvwm 2.4

2002-08-23 Thread szonyi calin
 --- Ionel Mugurel Ciobica [EMAIL PROTECTED] a
écrit :  În data de 21-08-2002, la 11h 06'39,
Mikhael
 Goikhman (migo) scria cãtre fvwm, despre Re: FVWM:
 i can't run fvwm 2.4:
 
 
 I have the same problem with fvwm 2.4.x. Every time
 I install a new
 package with dselect or with apt-get the fvwm get
 updated to 2.4.x.
 and then I can't login, the error is the same with
 the fixed font.
 I have to manually downgrade fvwm to 2.2.4
 (hopefully I still have a
 *.deb for that).


Try to compile fvwm manually
 
 In my case:
 
 1. I did not compile fvwm myself. I use the *.deb
 file from woody.
 2. I use locale ro_RO.ISO-8859-16.

I use 
export LC_ALL=ro_RO
export LANG=ro
in .xinitrc
no problems
I think the locale for Romania should be
ro_RO.ISO-8859-2.
Is there any reason for using ro_RO.ISO-8859-16 ?

 3. fvwm exits immediately.
 

What errors are printed ?
Try to redirect stderr from fvwm to a file.

 I also have compatibilities problems because I use
 fvwm 2.2.4-2
 instead of 2.4.6-2. fvwm recommends fvwm-common,
 xlibs conflicts with
 fvwm-common. I think I need an older xlibs (I have
 4.1.0-17).
 But I can't find, for instance 4.1.0-14. I never can
 exit from the
 dselect menu. I have to make a full upgrade and then
 dpkg -i
 fvwm_2.2.4-2.deb.
 

Packages problems :-)
If you compile it manually maybe you can fool debian 
that you have what he wants while still running 
your favourite version of fvwm.

 Thank you,
 Ionel
Calin

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Re: FVWM: i can't run fvwm 2.4

2002-08-23 Thread Mikhael Goikhman
On 23 Aug 2002 17:14:55 +0200, szonyi calin wrote:
 
  2. I use locale ro_RO.ISO-8859-16.
 
 I think the locale for Romania should be
 ro_RO.ISO-8859-2.
 Is there any reason for using ro_RO.ISO-8859-16 ?

It includes the euro sign and some other small changes AFAIK.

I suppose fvwm-2.4.x exits when it does not find fixed *-iso8859-16 font.
By the way these patches to replace searching for strictly fixed font
were demanded by the Debian maintainer, I think he included these or
similar patches before creating debs anyway. I hoped he or someone else
will reply to other Debian specific questions asked in this thread.

I don't have ro_RO.ISO-8859-16 locale on my system to test anything.
Anyway the solution should be to use fonts existing in your locale or
explicitely specify charset (like *-fixed-*-iso8859-2) when defining
fonts, or switch to 2.5.x where i18n and font handling is much improved.
But prepare to get warnings if the used fonts do not match your locale.

Regards,
Mikhael.
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Re: FVWM: i can't run fvwm 2.4

2002-08-23 Thread Imre Vida
On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 06:33:59PM +, Mikhael Goikhman wrote:
  Is there any reason for using ro_RO.ISO-8859-16 ?
 
 It includes the euro sign and some other small changes AFAIK.
 
 I suppose fvwm-2.4.x exits when it does not find fixed *-iso8859-16 font.
 By the way these patches to replace searching for strictly fixed font
 were demanded by the Debian maintainer, I think he included these or
 similar patches before creating debs anyway. 

Sorry, but i don't understand this:
If such a patch was requested and applied why does the program exit
after not finding one set of fixed fonts?
((There is only one errormsg /to be precise - one msg twice/,
and also it is misleading as it does not specify that it is looking 
for /in my case/ *-iso8859-15 fonts.)) 


This also suggests that the maintainers are aware of (at least some) 
problems on this front. This is to put it very softly, as John did 
it earlier a bit naughty against all those stupid users like me.


Imre

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FVWM: .fvwm2rc syntax guide?

2002-08-23 Thread Len Philpot
Is there a concise, authoritative guide to the proper syntax,
organization and such of .fvwm2rc contents somewhere? What I see in the
fvwm man page often conflicts with what's in the sample system.fvwm2rc
file and the few pointers I do find in the man pages are scattered and
terse, to say the least.

Sorry if I sound frustrated, but I am...

I've just spent 30 minutes or more with one MenuStyle line trying to get
it to work (without success).  Despite close to an hour's work, I've
been unable to get FvwmTaskBar to appear at the bottom of the screen
(despite following the examples from the man page). I can change the
border widths and nothing ever happens.  I've used the recommended
geometry, but it always appears at the top of the screen. I'm light
years away from doing anything useful with it, but at this rate I'll
never get there. I'm having the do *EVERYTHIHG* by trial and error,
since the man page is so vague (or maybe I'm just stupid...?).

I'm rapidly reaching my frustration threshold before moving on to
something else.

There has to be somewhere a definition of exactly what is and isn't
allowed configuration-wise, where specific entries need to go,
recommended order, syntax restrictions, case-sensitivity, etc., etc.

If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. I really like the speed and small
size of fvwm, but the appalling lack of documentation is about to
convince me to look elsewhere...

Thanks.

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Re: xview program resize delay

2002-08-23 Thread Dominik Vogt
On Thu, Aug 22, 2002 at 12:24:34PM -0700, elliot sowadsky wrote:
 
 From man...
 
 
 NoGeometryWithInfo  removes the geometries, but keep the desktops
 information
 
 
 
 It doesnt keep the desktops information.

The x: printed before the window name is the desk number.

 It seems to do the same as NoGeometry.

P.S.: Please keep the mail on the list.

Bye

Dominik ^_^  ^_^

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CVS domivogt: * Updated DEVELOPER info.

2002-08-23 Thread FVWM CVS
CVSROOT:/home/cvs/fvwm
Module name:fvwm
Changes by: domivogt02/08/23 08:31:25

Modified files:
docs   : ChangeLog DEVELOPERS 

Log message:
* Updated DEVELOPER info.

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re: xview program resize delay

2002-08-23 Thread elliot sowadsky

   Hmmmon the 20020817 snap, i'm finding that on opening new windows, i'm
   getting blocked from focusing windows. No matter what i click into, it 
 wont
   take focus.

 Turns out i need a Modifierclick to get focus after a map.
 Using clicktofocus mode.

Traced this to focus.c __check_allow_focus

xview appears to want to refuse focus in order to get focus. (?)
xview window often has sf == NULL.

Hence __check_allow_focus returns True and xview window doesnt get focus.


I added

if (sf == NULL) return False;  // xview may have this condition

and now xview is getting focus.


I dont get itbut it seems to work.


Also, on WindowList ShowPage, it shows the page being viewed rather than the
page each window is on.

I use

sprintf(loc,%d ,((t-frame_g.x) + Scr.Vx)/Scr.MyDisplayWidth);

I have a 1-D pager, so i only show one number.
I also always show it to the left of the title.

Thanx
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