'Cheapest Software Anywhere' web site reliable?
Has anyone had any experience, good or bad, buying Mac software from this site? They have excellent prices. TIA Terry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 'Cheapest Software Anywhere' web site reliable?
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Terry Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone had any experience, good or bad, buying Mac software from this site? They have excellent prices. TIA Some places do sell software that is license able for less. Look under Educational or academic software sellers and bring your school ID card. I got one copy of a multilicense Win XP x64 for less than $100 from a legitimate seller in Florida. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 'Cheapest Software Anywhere' web site reliable?
Check out this thread on a person's experience with this very company: http://www.dgrin.com/archive/index.php/t-88153.html I'd steer clear of CSA, based on what I read. Anything that includes instructions to use a hex editor to register the software can't possibly be on the level. - Tony On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 9:10 AM, Terry Hirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone had any experience, good or bad, buying Mac software from this site? They have excellent prices. TIA Some places do sell software that is license able for less. Look under Educational or academic software sellers and bring your school ID card. I got one copy of a multilicense Win XP x64 for less than $100 from a legitimate seller in Florida. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 'Cheapest Software Anywhere' web site reliable?
On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Terry Hirsch wrote: Their URL is: http://cheapestsoftwareanywhere.com. They say they purchase the unused software keys from volume buyers...an interesting approach. Also not legal. This is pirated software...an appropriate topic for today, matey! A! I'd be interested in hearing what group listers have to say. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Cheapest AppleCare similar to cheapest software question
I need to buy AppleCare for a MacBook Pro. I have found many places selling low cost versions of AppleCare wihth only a digital code for activation, no box, no Techtools DVD This seems a bit questionable for me - too good to be true,etc. etc. However, are they any reputable low cost Applecare suppliers? I have seen some at LA computer. ( http://www.lacomputercompany.com/cgi-bin/rpcart/index.cgi?command=dispitemtype=skusku=10126 ) I have also seen some on E-Bay that do include the box and Techtools. However some of thiese are WORLDWIDE Applecare and not just for USA. Is this legal and will it be accepted for USA registration by Apple? Thanks - Marty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cheapest AppleCare similar to cheapest software question
On Sep 19, 2008, at 1:18 PM, Marty Levine wrote: However, are they any reputable low cost Applecare suppliers? I have seen some at LA computer. ( http://www.lacomputercompany.com/cgi-bin/rpcart/index.cgi?command=dispitemtype=skusku=10126 ) LA Computer is a reputable dealer, at least I've dealt with them on several occasions with no issues. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Backup Failed ...
On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:55 PM, billycarmacs wrote: QS 2002 Dual 1GHz. Time Machine appeared to have stopped when doing a manually requested backup today. External OWC Firewire drive that has been working for a good while since I added Leopard. Appears to still be working fine ... new Seagate 750GB. Stopped or reported an error? I get the occasional Time Machine has failed to finsh a backup errors. First one in 10.5.5 ... Any way to recover ... my whole system began to freeze as I tried to move around Dock Mail just bounced up once and froze ... others froze too ... Recovery? Delete last backup? I suspect this doesn't have anything to do with Time Machine. Need to start backups all over again? Oh, no. Time machine is pretty robust. I expect that if you powercycle your system everything will work ok. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 'Cheapest Software Anywhere' web site reliable?
Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:47 AM, Terry Hirsch wrote: Their URL is: http://cheapestsoftwareanywhere.com. They say they purchase the unused software keys from volume buyers...an interesting approach. Also not legal. This is pirated software...an appropriate topic for today, matey! A! OK, I'm a Brit in the UK. Why is Piracy an appropriate topic for today? (Curious because some of my ancestors circa 300 yrs ago paid the ultimate penalty for piracy wrecking off the coast of Cornwall) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Source for Analyzing an eMac Tiger Mac OS Install CD Set
Hi There is a way to hack around this. The 'grey' machine specific discs have a similar line in the osinstall file that limits which machines it can be installed on, similar to the 'badmachines' in retail Tiger discs, that specifies which machines Tiger cannot be installed on. Remove this line and you should be able to get your eMac discs to work on any machine. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Sep 19 2008, billycarmacs wrote: Know of any references / links where I might compare eMac Tiger CDs with a more general OS X Tiger CD set? Maybe one for a Quicksilver as well? Was hoping an eMac Tiger Mac OS Install 16-CD set I just bought would at least install on my QS 2002 Dual 1GHz ... but it doesn't. Thanks, Bill Connelly Musician and Painter artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Source for Analyzing an eMac Tiger Mac OS Install CD Set
On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:35 PM, Simon Royal wrote: Hi There is a way to hack around this. The 'grey' machine specific discs have a similar line in the osinstall file that limits which machines it can be installed on, similar to the 'badmachines' in retail Tiger discs, that specifies which machines Tiger cannot be installed on. Remove this line and you should be able to get your eMac discs to work on any machine. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. I made a gallant attempt ... but the process I used to re-create Disc 1 failed. I then tried to install using the original disks on my QS and failed. To create a modified disc 1: Under Leopard 10.5.5, I just created a Disk Utility cdr copy of the Tiger Mac OS Install DIsc 1. Then I modified the OSInstall.dist file to exclude listing of PowerMac G3 (maybe I should do them all?) by clicking on the cdr file to Mount the Disk image, modify the file, and then created another cdr file of that modified Disk Image, and burned it to CD - all using Disk Utility.. I was using modified info on the link: http://www.index-site.com/bootcd.html On my PowerPC 9500, Xpostfacto didn't like it ... know what I might have done wrong? not make it bootable in some way? Xpostfacto started the process, rebooted, then went off somewhere ... and got stuck. The CD show up on my Desktop and looks like the original CD1, although it doesn't automatically Open like the original ... I seem to can't get past the fact that the eMac Panther Install CDs work, but my eMac Tiger ones do not. I just tried to Install Panther again on the system as it is setup ... and it accepts the Panther CDs but not the Tiger ones. Any hints on what to look for? Bill Connelly Musician and Painter artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 18, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Doug Burton wrote: I had just recently replaced the OS drive with one from an identical DA because the original drive went south. Now another drive? I thinking a bad on board IDE controller or RAM, anyone else have an opinion? Check out the RAM...this is a common cause of this issue. -- Bruce Johnson Okay, originally I had two sticks of 256M RAM installed. Removing one and attempting to boot I get a bong, but then no video. HD's don't sound like they are coming up. Taking out that stick and putting the other one in I get a bong and then it tries to boot with gray screen, etc. but then the HD's all power down and the machine shut off. Does this mean both sticks are bad or is it just that the HD got corrupted by the bad stick of RAM and needs to be replaced? I have another HD I can use to try it. Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 11:30 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Okay, originally I had two sticks of 256M RAM installed. Removing one and attempting to boot I get a bong, but then no video. HD's don't sound like they are coming up. Taking out that stick and putting the other one in I get a bong and then it tries to boot with gray screen, etc. but then the HD's all power down and the machine shut off. Does this mean both sticks are bad or is it just that the HD got corrupted by the bad stick of RAM and needs to be replaced? I have another HD I can use to try it. NOpe neither. You either have a failing PS or a dead/dying logic board. I don't think DA's are susceptible to weirdness with PRAM batteries, and in any case that wouldn't affect the system once it's booted up. Would have to say no to logic board as I swapped it with my other identical DA. Yank the drive and check it out on a known working Mac with something like this http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ADA-2012cat=CBL they also sell one that does SATA too for about $13. If it was just a corrupted drive, you would either hang at the boot somewhere or get a flashing folder. Powering down is a sign that the power supply is shutting itself down. It will do that if it's damaged and is thermally shutting down or if something plugged into it is drawing too much power. (generally a short somewhere in the system) -- Bruce Johnson As a file server, this DA is running 4-300 Gb SATA drives plus the 40 Gb ATA OS drive. I'm leaning towards the PS myself. Also this machine was subject to a recent power outage due to high winds here in the midwest, but it was on a UPS which allows for a safe shutdown when the power remaining is down to 25%. I will attempt to boot without the 4 server drives hooked up to power and see what I get. Thanks for your insight Bruce. Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Time Machine Backup Failed ...
Meant to add, I decided to unplug my flaky USB2 wireless Airlink since it may have caused the Finder problem during my first attempt at Time Machine under 105.5. Connected to a Sonnet Trio, for USB 2. May have stabilized things. Bill Connelly Musician and Painter artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio/ myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Doug Burton wrote: As a file server, this DA is running 4-300 Gb SATA drives plus the 40 Gb ATA OS drive. I'm leaning towards the PS myself. Oh yeah, that really points to the PS. That many drives will also generate a lot of heat, and the DA case just wasn't built to be a file server, you need more robust cooling for something like that. Tried without the server drives hooked up and got the same results, the system just shut itself down. I have the PS from the other DA which I will try. I have an external case with it's own PS which will accommodate 2 drives and I will look for another to house the other 2 drives before I hook those back up if swapping the PS does the trick. There's a reason our server room sounds like a wind tunnel. I just spent a total of about an hour in there today and my ears are still ringing. -- Bruce Johnson I can imagine. I would love to have the money to buy a rack and have a true server system. I love the convenience and security of a server and can't see ever not having one again! Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Oh yeah, that really points to the PS. That many drives will also generate a lot of heat, and the DA case just wasn't built to be a file server, you need more robust cooling for something like that. The DA case was built for four (4) 9 GB SCSI drives plus one (1) ATA CD/DVD drive plus one (1) Zip drive. Any combo of drives which equals but does not exceed that heat load should be OK. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Doug Burton wrote: On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Doug Burton wrote: As a file server, this DA is running 4-300 Gb SATA drives plus the 40 Gb ATA OS drive. I'm leaning towards the PS myself. Oh yeah, that really points to the PS. That many drives will also generate a lot of heat, and the DA case just wasn't built to be a file server, you need more robust cooling for something like that. Tried without the server drives hooked up and got the same results, the system just shut itself down. I have the PS from the other DA which I will try. I have an external case with it's own PS which will accommodate 2 drives and I will look for another to house the other 2 drives before I hook those back up if swapping the PS does the trick. There's a reason our server room sounds like a wind tunnel. I just spent a total of about an hour in there today and my ears are still ringing. -- Bruce Johnson I can imagine. I would love to have the money to buy a rack and have a true server system. I love the convenience and security of a server and can't see ever not having one again! So much for that theory, does the exact same thing with the swapped PS. Whatever the problem is, I'm sure the drive is corrupted. I haven't actually took it out and tried it in another computer, but the original HD in this system was in fact corrupted. I swapped the drive from the other DA into this one and got it going that way. Now that drive is no longer booting and is shutting down the system. Something very strange going on here! Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:59 AM, PeterH wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: Oh yeah, that really points to the PS. That many drives will also generate a lot of heat, and the DA case just wasn't built to be a file server, you need more robust cooling for something like that. The DA case was built for four (4) 9 GB SCSI drives plus one (1) ATA CD/DVD drive plus one (1) Zip drive. Any combo of drives which equals but does not exceed that heat load should be OK. This system performed well for a year or so before I switched the 4 ATA drives to SATA drives and added a SATA controller. I figured the less cable clutter would be better for cooling. Since then it performed well for about 6 months before this latest spat of trouble popped up. So far I have switched the logic board and CPU and the original OS HD and now the PS. I also removed one stick of RAM (256Mb) that didn't appear to work. One more thing I neglected to mention, attempts to zap the PRAM have failed. Pressing the command- option-P-R on boot does not cause the system to restart and bong again. Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:07 PM, Doug Burton wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Doug Burton wrote: On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Doug Burton wrote: As a file server, this DA is running 4-300 Gb SATA drives plus the 40 Gb ATA OS drive. I'm leaning towards the PS myself. Oh yeah, that really points to the PS. That many drives will also generate a lot of heat, and the DA case just wasn't built to be a file server, you need more robust cooling for something like that. Tried without the server drives hooked up and got the same results, the system just shut itself down. I have the PS from the other DA which I will try. I have an external case with it's own PS which will accommodate 2 drives and I will look for another to house the other 2 drives before I hook those back up if swapping the PS does the trick. There's a reason our server room sounds like a wind tunnel. I just spent a total of about an hour in there today and my ears are still ringing. -- Bruce Johnson I can imagine. I would love to have the money to buy a rack and have a true server system. I love the convenience and security of a server and can't see ever not having one again! So much for that theory, does the exact same thing with the swapped PS. Whatever the problem is, I'm sure the drive is corrupted. I haven't actually took it out and tried it in another computer, but the original HD in this system was in fact corrupted. I swapped the drive from the other DA into this one and got it going that way. Now that drive is no longer booting and is shutting down the system. Something very strange going on here! Just to confirm I booted with the Tiger install CD using the original PS and just the OS HD hooked up to power. The system booted fine. Ran Disk Utility and tried to verify and repair the OS HD. Both operations failed so the drive is definitely corrupted. Now the question begs to be asked, what would corrupt 2 different HD's using 2 different logic boards? The system failed to boot with one of the RAM sticks in place so I'm sure it's bad. So how could a bad RAM stick corrupt the HD? So many questions, so little answers... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thoughts on external firewire booting
On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I recently acquired a dual G5 on eBay. Unfortunately, it came with a measly 80GB SATA drive. I happened to have a 320GB EIDE/PATA drive and a Firewire 400 enclosure sitting around. Presto! 320GB boot drive, right? Not so fast, methinks. Firstly, my enclosure has much-maligned Prolific PL-3507 chipset. Secondly, it strikes that me that booting off of an external drive might not be the best idea (e.g., what happens if someone trips on the cord?) I'm somewhat concerned about the reliability of the Prolific chipset. If I remember correctly, I had problems with bootable systems just disappearing. However, I have since flashed the firmware, and have also copied back and forth 40GB or so of data without any problems. So what does the list think about using that 320GB as a primary boot drive? Am I just asking for trouble, or is it a reasonable solution given the fact that I don't want to cough up $100 for a new SATA drive. I booted my G5 for almost a year on a FW400 and then FW800 external HD. There wasn't much difference in speed. Later I stripe raided two 500 GB internal SATA drives and thing were much quicker. I'm saving for an SATA II card now to hopefully double speed again. I've owned several of the PL-3507 enclosures, and mine were an early revision A that wasn't bootable for Mac or upgradeable for firmware. All the newer ones are upgradeable, but there was some problem with the firmware, and you must have the latest firmware for OS X. There were revision A, B, C and D chipsets, and each had it's own firmware. I big hassle to update, you probably need a PC running Windows. Check with your manufacturer first, and then with Prolific which had generic firmware (will change the Vendor ID).http://www.prolific.com.tw/eng/downloads.asp?ID=44 If you enclosure boots, and you run a day or two without error, it should be good. Personally, I'd buy two SATA HDs for cheap and use them as an internal striped RAID pair, and using the FW external as a Time Machine backup disk. PriceWatch has 500GB SATA for $51 each with free shipping.http://www.pricewatch.com/hard_removable_drives/sata_500gb.htm . Yesterday I saw USB2/eSATA external 500GB for $55. With these cheap prices, a 1 TB Raid pair will more than double the access speed of the FW box, and you'll be set for a long time (until your 320 GB backup is full) for only $102 total. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Doug Burton wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:07 PM, Doug Burton wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Doug Burton wrote: On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:04 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Sep 19, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Doug Burton wrote: As a file server, this DA is running 4-300 Gb SATA drives plus the 40 Gb ATA OS drive. I'm leaning towards the PS myself. Oh yeah, that really points to the PS. That many drives will also generate a lot of heat, and the DA case just wasn't built to be a file server, you need more robust cooling for something like that. Tried without the server drives hooked up and got the same results, the system just shut itself down. I have the PS from the other DA which I will try. I have an external case with it's own PS which will accommodate 2 drives and I will look for another to house the other 2 drives before I hook those back up if swapping the PS does the trick. There's a reason our server room sounds like a wind tunnel. I just spent a total of about an hour in there today and my ears are still ringing. -- Bruce Johnson I can imagine. I would love to have the money to buy a rack and have a true server system. I love the convenience and security of a server and can't see ever not having one again! So much for that theory, does the exact same thing with the swapped PS. Whatever the problem is, I'm sure the drive is corrupted. I haven't actually took it out and tried it in another computer, but the original HD in this system was in fact corrupted. I swapped the drive from the other DA into this one and got it going that way. Now that drive is no longer booting and is shutting down the system. Something very strange going on here! Just to confirm I booted with the Tiger install CD using the original PS and just the OS HD hooked up to power. The system booted fine. Ran Disk Utility and tried to verify and repair the OS HD. Both operations failed so the drive is definitely corrupted. Now the question begs to be asked, what would corrupt 2 different HD's using 2 different logic boards? The system failed to boot with one of the RAM sticks in place so I'm sure it's bad. So how could a bad RAM stick corrupt the HD? So many questions, so little answers... Decided to reformat the HD and try installing the OS again. The drive reformatted just fine and I have reinstalled Tiger once more. The plan is to let the machine run as is for a few days to be sure there are no problems. If everything goes okay I will buy some more RAM and try adding the server drives back into the mix. On Wintel computers I found a program called Burnin, which was very excellent for testing the system components in an endless loop to make sure they were going to last. Anyone know of a similar program for Macs? Just a message from Doug... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DA file server is toast!
On Sep 19, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Doug Burton wrote: Reference this Bruce, I have a couple of these USB/IDE cables and I've yet to get one working on a Mac, or even my Hackintosh for that matter. Haven't tried them with Windows yet. That's weird, I use the one we have all the time...it's an invaluable tool in our office. Coupled with the oprn source NTFS drivers I've been able to rescue data from NTFS drives Windows couldn't mount. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thoughts on external firewire booting
Suggestion: Partition the 320GB drive in 4 parts. Go ahead and set up and run the 80GB internal as your primary drive, but periodically use SuperDuper! to clone a copy of the primary drive to a partition on the External HD. You SHOULD be able to boot from the external, you can then clone back to the 'internal' drive your latest 'backup'. Just what I do, and it works great! Chuck D. On Sep 19, 2008, at 9:34 PM, Eric Volker wrote: I recently acquired a dual G5 on eBay. Unfortunately, it came with a measly 80GB SATA drive. I happened to have a 320GB EIDE/PATA drive and a Firewire 400 enclosure sitting around. Presto! 320GB boot drive, right? Not so fast, methinks. Firstly, my enclosure has much-maligned Prolific PL-3507 chipset. Secondly, it strikes that me that booting off of an external drive might not be the best idea (e.g., what happens if someone trips on the cord?) I'm somewhat concerned about the reliability of the Prolific chipset. If I remember correctly, I had problems with bootable systems just disappearing. However, I have since flashed the firmware, and have also copied back and forth 40GB or so of data without any problems. So what does the list think about using that 320GB as a primary boot drive? Am I just asking for trouble, or is it a reasonable solution given the fact that I don't want to cough up $100 for a new SATA drive. Thanks, Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thoughts on external firewire booting
On Sep 20, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Eric Volker wrote: Thanks for the reply Kris. I'm pretty sure I have the rev. C of the PL-3507, since IIRC I did do a firmware upgrade on my enclosure and there's a chip marked PL-3507 413313C. Unfortunately, the name of my enclosure manufacturer is Mobile Disk, which makes it pretty hard to Google up. I did successfully install Leopard on the 320GB drive (and it installed 2-3 times faster than the internal!) and used the Migration Assistant to move my apps over. Over the coming days I'll boot off the Firewire drive and see if it barfs or otherwise malfunctions. One question I did have about OS X RAID is whether or not a RAID 0 volume is bootable. That would be just spiffy. Charles, I actually use a similar theory for my Mac mini with 500GB external firewire. But, I boot off the internal 120GB and back it up to an 80GB partition on the 500GB drive with CCC. If an update goes horribly wrong, presto!, back to old system. The G5 is not fulfilling a critical function at the moment, though, so I'm not really worried about redundancy. At least, not yet. Hi Eric; Don't do it for redundancy, do it for paranoia!! [Remember Murphy?] Getting in the habit, when it isn't a necessity, means that when disaster strikes (Murphy) you already have your recovery available. JMHO Chuck D. Myself, I have with my MDD's several layers of complete system backups. Right now, there are 14 partitions, 6 of them being OSX.4.11 bootable systems of varying ages. If I include the external Neptune, there are 4 more partitions, 1= 9.2.2, 3= OSX.4.11 systems. C Thanks, Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
