Re: Upgrading a DA 533
On Oct 4, 2008, at 7:06 AM, Doug Burton wrote: I just ordered a processor upgrade from OWC http:// eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/MAXG47S1600/ and 2-512 Mb sticks of iRam from NewEgg for the extra DA I have sitting here in my room. I've never upgraded a processor like this before, is it pretty easy to do? I've done the ones in a BW and beige machines but this will be my first DA. I plan to use this as my main computer and I'm basically taking everything out of my previous main system, the G4 500 Mhz upgraded BW. I will be using the combo DVD/CDRW and 80 GB HD and adding a 120 Gb HD for data. I presently have 10.3.9 on the HD and I understand I can run Leopard with the processor upgrade, are there any special tricks that need to be done before this will work? Any advice appreciated. The processor is slightly harder to replace than in a beige G3, but not much. To remove the current one, you take 2 clips off to remove the heatsink, then the processor card is attached with 3 phillips screws. I am not certain about the Newer card, but the screws that hold the heat sink to the processor card can be a little difficult for the fumble fingered on some cards. While you have the case open, it would be a good time to blow all the dust bunnies out of the fans and case and check the fans for proper operation. You should be fine with 2 HD and a single 1.6GHz processor. I have a dual 1.2GHz and 4 HD in my home DA and I would get frequent hard system freezes that would only be recoverable from by a hard restart with the power button. After futzing around trying to diagnose it, I left the case open and lo and behold, no more crashes. Therefore: overheating issues in my DA. I would use the faster hard drive for the boot volume if possible, but the difference between an 80 and 120 is likely pretty small. No hacks needed to run Leopard, it will see a faster than 867MHz processor and install away. Just be aware that with Leopard, you lose the ability to run any classic apps (but you can still boot into 9 if needed). The next upgrade I would get as soon as possible is a core image video card like the 9600. An upgraded video card will really make the interface snappy. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading a DA 533
On Oct 4, 2008, at 11:49 AM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Oct 4, 2008, at 7:06 AM, Doug Burton wrote: I just ordered a processor upgrade from OWC http:// eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/MAXG47S1600/ and 2-512 Mb sticks of iRam from NewEgg for the extra DA I have sitting here in my room. I've never upgraded a processor like this before, is it pretty easy to do? I've done the ones in a BW and beige machines but this will be my first DA. I plan to use this as my main computer and I'm basically taking everything out of my previous main system, the G4 500 Mhz upgraded BW. I will be using the combo DVD/CDRW and 80 GB HD and adding a 120 Gb HD for data. I presently have 10.3.9 on the HD and I understand I can run Leopard with the processor upgrade, are there any special tricks that need to be done before this will work? Any advice appreciated. The processor is slightly harder to replace than in a beige G3, but not much. To remove the current one, you take 2 clips off to remove the heatsink, then the processor card is attached with 3 phillips screws. I am not certain about the Newer card, but the screws that hold the heat sink to the processor card can be a little difficult for the fumble fingered on some cards. My fingers are pretty good, but the eyes that guide them can be a little fumbled from time to time 8^) While you have the case open, it would be a good time to blow all the dust bunnies out of the fans and case and check the fans for proper operation. You should be fine with 2 HD and a single 1.6GHz processor. I have a dual 1.2GHz and 4 HD in my home DA and I would get frequent hard system freezes that would only be recoverable from by a hard restart with the power button. After futzing around trying to diagnose it, I left the case open and lo and behold, no more crashes. Therefore: overheating issues in my DA. This one is pretty clean, I've been using it to substitute parts while troubleshooting my server DA and everything has been removed and reinstalled. I would use the faster hard drive for the boot volume if possible, but the difference between an 80 and 120 is likely pretty small. No hacks needed to run Leopard, it will see a faster than 867MHz processor and install away. Just be aware that with Leopard, you lose the ability to run any classic apps (but you can still boot into 9 if needed). The next upgrade I would get as soon as possible is a core image video card like the 9600. An upgraded video card will really make the interface snappy. Len Good info Len, thanks much. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth P1 burnout advice
At 9:46 AM -0400 10/4/08, insightinmind wrote: On Oct 4, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Bill Christensen wrote: Update: The power supply itself checks out. Voltage is good for all pins, including the blackend ones. I'll check various other components separately on another machine (processor, RAM, cards), but assuming those are working does anyone here know how to diagnose a mobo? original msg -- Hi all, Looks like I have a problem with one of my 'teeth. It wasn't powering up properly - would start to come on then die before any drives came up - and in the process of looking for the problem (suspected power supply) I found that three pins on the P1 power connector are blackened. All are +5 volt (pins 6, 19, and 20) according to http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/ATX_G4_AGP_conversion/ G4_AGP_to_ATX_case_pg2.htm. Which is the more likely culprit, the power supply or the motherboard? I don't want to risk blowing my spare power supply, or the dual 1gig processor on the board for that matter, by cooking something further. I see no other obvious signs of trouble. No charred parts or places where smoke has escaped. Obviously I need to dig around and find my meter (I think I hid it from my 7 year old last time I put it away and now don't remember where) to see if the existing ps is still functional. And i'll probably swap the processor for an old 450 single and put the 1gig in a different sawtooth to test it. Any other suggestions on how to proceed? Thanks. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ No advice on the mobo itself. (Far from being an expert). Did you have a power fluctuation or nearby lightening strike recently? All our machines are on a big honking UPS. And their ethernet connections are surge protected as well. This is what I would try: I would probably remove all PCI cards ... Sawtooth has an AGP card? Leave that in or move in a fresh known working one. Have a bare minimum amount of RAM ... maybe trying different slots. A bare minimum hardware setup. That's the plan. Reseat the HD cables and power plugs. And reseat other drives (DVD or CDRW drive, Zip, etc). Good point. Hadn't done that for everything yet. Make sure the PRAM battery tests good and is inserted correctly. Done Have a known good KB and Mouse attached. Right. Do protect and test the GHz cpu. I've got to free up a machine to do that on, will probably do that this weekend. Find the answer to: Can a mobo damage a psu? Blow out all the dust in the unit as well as in the psu. Recommend taking it outside ... it can build up in there! I keep 'em pretty clean. This one could use a light dusting though. I found this site for Apple psu-s (although I haven't purchased any, yet): http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Apple-Power-Supply-c-253_247.html? gclid=CIrvnOGOgpYCFQNfFQodwCYEEA I actually just purchased a spare last week from LEM Swap, so that's covered. -- Bill Christensen http://greenbuilder.com/contact/ Green Building Professionals Directory: http://directory.greenbuilder.com Sustainable Building Calendar: http://www.greenbuilder.com/calendar/ Green Real Estate: http://www.greenbuilder.com/realestate/ Straw Bale Registry: http://sbregistry.greenbuilder.com/ Books/videos/software: http://bookstore.greenbuilder.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
On 03/10/08 7:20 AM, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have had a number of iMac G3s and these smell terrible of burning. I changed the plastics on one recently and whilst testing it afterward smelt so bad of burning plastic I thought I had done something wrong. But my sons iMac G3 smells just as bad. On the other hand my BW, after all these years, has never given off any odour. My PM G5 tower and my wife's Macbook Pro emit no scent at all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
IPod Touch Restore
I managed to create a big problem: While trying to update the Ipod software via ITunes, my computer crashed. Now the IPod lost in the Restore Mode, with the the message that I will lose all media if it is restored. Does anyone know of a solution that will not involve my losing my 1400 songs on the IPod. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please reply via email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Thanks! Bob --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading a DA 533
On Oct 4, 2008, at 3:13 PM, glen wrote: Also be sure you have upgraded to to proper firmware -- 4.2.8 iirc, I'm not at my DA now so I can't check the exact version. This should be documented in the installation manual 4.2.8f1 is the highest level. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Upgrading a DA 533
On Oct 4, 2008, at 6:50 PM, PeterH wrote: On Oct 4, 2008, at 3:13 PM, glen wrote: Also be sure you have upgraded to to proper firmware -- 4.2.8 iirc, I'm not at my DA now so I can't check the exact version. This should be documented in the installation manual 4.2.8f1 is the highest level. Mactracker confirms 4.2.8 ... Refers you also to: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120068 FYI --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
