Re: Hard Drive Size question
On Dec 1, 7:11 pm, Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Dennis Myhand wrote: Native on the built-in ATA bus is 128 gb, but there is a high-capacity driver available that will get around this. If you stick in an ATA or SATA controller card there's no limit. One other option is a SCSI controller card with a fast drive. I have an ATTO card driving a 15,000 rpm SCSI hard drive with a 16 MB cache on one of my Sawtooths. The largest drives like this are 146 GB (mine is only 73 GB) so they don't give much more capacity than the ATA bus but the performance is awesome and they are far less expensive than Raptors. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iWeb newbie questions
Personally, I would suggest that you try WordPress.com, especially if you don't have a domain. .txt documents don't take up much room, but should you need more, it is possible to purchase some from WordPress.com. Good luck, Brian On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:38 AM, tonycd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My third-grader wants to create a webpage of the levels he's built for the video game n. So I've entered the wonderful world of iWeb, which was recommended to me as the easiest way for someone who knows nothing (that would be, er, me) to build a site. The main functions he wants are the very ones the iWeb primer doesn't cover: 1) Creating links to let users download text documents (that's how you transplant code for custom levels in this game, via copy/paste); and 2) Letting users post comments -- without me paying for a MobileMe membership, which is the only method Apple will admit to. Is it just me who's overmatched here, or is iWeb too? Thanks, Tony --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Size question
dc wrote: One other option is a SCSI controller card with a fast drive. I have an ATTO card driving a 15,000 rpm SCSI hard drive with a 16 MB cache on one of my Sawtooths. M...SCSI! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:20 AM, yawg wrote: Hi Clark, Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to have Root as the owner. Simply changing permissions to a user account isn't going to work. You really need to recreate the clone with permissions not ignored. I didn't change a thing. I always cloned system vols to my FW-disks and never had an issue. What might have changed, recently, is the way CCC, newest version (3.4.2), approaches Permissions ... resulting in a different clone than before, if Ignore Permissions is checked ... I would make another clone, with Ignore Permissions unchecked, and see if it is bootable. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
Hi Clark, Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to have Root as the owner. Simply changing permissions to a user account isn't going to work. You really need to recreate the clone with permissions not ignored. I didn't change a thing. I always cloned system vols to my FW-disks and never had an issue. Yesterday I repaired permissions on a new clone with a Panther system, lots of permissions were repaired but still no boot. Any chance how I can fix the firmware on my Initio controllers? TIA. Anyway, the Oxford-enclosure boots with any system, Panther or Tiger, permissions ignored or not ... Regards, Jörg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: LCD screen flickering and going black.
I find this thread very interesting, as I've had the original Apple Studio Display since 1998 and an Anniv. Mac since 1999, both from MacMall, for $1999 and $1299...both new and sealed. Guess what? they're both still in perfect shape to this day. The ASD (the first of it's kind. XGA res., self-calibration via. ADB, S-Video input which came in very handy when my Phillips POS 37 LCD HDTV just stopped working...how I miss the Ambilight feature...AND it was the first Mac product that is totally translucent, in a stunning mix of purplish-blue blackish-blue, with a gorgeous original Apple multi- color logo where an iSight would be) was for my 8500/120mhz604/2x300mhz604eMach5+/550mhzG4 on switchable daughtercards/ 128 RAM/4 MB VRAM On-Board/Apple 12 166 MHZ Pentium Card with 72 RAM n ATI Mach64 graphics for NeXTSTEP 4/ATI RAGE 128 16MB PCI/FW400USB2 PCI Card (love that thing...was my main system till 2006 when I got my Mac Pro 4-Core Xeon system; now it's for OS 7.6 (to play with all the Tech of the time, some builds of Copland, BeOS PR 5.2a, Rhapsody DR 1 2, OS 9 for classic apps/PC Card for NeXTSTEP, Win98SE, Rhapsody Intel, Win2k which I still HAVE to use for work/OS X DP3 DP4, 10.4.11 Tiger...), so while I'm still forced to use it for work and my Web Server, it's my favorite machine; literally a Time Machine. The TAM was a total impulse buy. I was going to buy a new G4/500 when it was announced, but when they couldn't get the G4 and I was on the phone with them flipping through their mag and saw the TAM for $1299, that was it. They were already making upgrades for it and I was in love. Had them install a Sonnet G3 card in it, and in 2002 I upgraded it to OS X and threw a FW400/USB2 PCI Card in it, using one USB Port for 802.11g AirPort and yes, it's fast, stable, and the display is bright and crisp (OS X in 800 x 600 actually can be made to work quite well...just made everything smaller with tinkertool); BTW it's my office entertainment center with iTunes and Apple Video Player / Apple FM Tuner running through Classic. Awesome BOSE audio and great with video. That unit gets NO display downtime; just has a screensaver going all night. I thought LCDs couldn't burn out...It may have taken me a while, but thx ppl- now I've set my 8500 with the ASD, tfe TAM, and the Pro workstation with my two Apple HD 23 panels to go off. But also remember; it's been 10 years and they're both perfect, crisp, and bright. I hope Apple used the same supplier on the HD Cinemas as they did for the ASD and TAM. But hey, if the TAM display goes, I'll get a hi-res 12-incher to put in there and create something truly amazing with that machine. In person it's obvious there was never another PC or Mac with that level of industrial design ever produced; I couldn't even part with the boxes. Joey. Sent from Joey's iPhone 3G 2.1 on ATT's all-new wireless network. Visit www.apple.com/iphone for more information. Apple ATT - Raising the Bar. On Dec 1, 2008, at 3:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 1, 1:26 am, Kris Tilford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Newer LCDs are now lit with LEDs that last almost forever, so this shouldn't be an issue in the future, Don't believe all the hype about LED lighting. It's getting there, but it isn't there yet. If you read the datasheets for the high intensity (HI) LEDs on the manufacturer's sites you will find that they predict a 50,000 hour lifetime to 70% brightness. A good fluorescent tube has a *specified* lifetime of 30,000 hours to 80% brightness. The manufacturers give no information on whether that decay to 70% brightness is linear, front-loaded or rear-loaded. So they last a long time, but not forever. The HI LEDs currently on the market are barely as energy efficient as good high intensity fluorescents, although they may be better than the tubes used in LCD displays. Compared to HO T5 fluorescent room/ aquarium/greenhouse lighting they are still behind. The equipment cost for the latest HI LEDs is 15 - 20 times as high per available light intensity as fluorescent, although, again, the comparison may be different in applications specific to LCD panels where 12V supply may already be available and so represent a cost savings over providing a ballast equivalent for fluorescent tubes. However, the LED cost for 5000 lumens of light is about $300 - $400 where the fluorescent tube cost is about $20, that's ignoring power supplies. There are some better LEDs in the labs which haven't made it into mass production yet, and the technology is improving quickly. But it is not better than fluorescent. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at
Re: External Firewire Drive issues
On 12/2/08 6:47 AM, Chris N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I've been having some external firewire 400 drive issues. The drives are OWC Mercury Elite-AL Pro drives - I also have a ministack running off of Firewire 400 and while that has its own issues it does not present this problem. What seems to happen is that when the drive sleeps, or is inactive for a while, it takes an inordinate amount of time to wake. 1. Is Energy Saver set to shut down hard drives when possible? If so, ten uncheck that. 2. Do the drives have an auto-power button setting versus an always-on option? Because my LaCie have this, and if so- switch it to always on... ??? I have not heard of firmware updates for most hard drives but it's also something to investigate. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 733 DA or 733 QS?
I would get a QS 2002 it won't have the 128GB hard drive limit on it. It's a lot less hassle because otherwise you have to buy this special driver to get hard drives over 128GB to work. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a G4 733 Digital Audio that I was setting up to give to a relative to use with Photoshop. He's into digital photography, and this 733 ran Photoshop 9 just fine, and I was also giving him iLife for iMovie and iPhoto and such. I put two 250-gig hard drives in it and maxed out the memory at 1.5 gig. It was all set to go. Then the thing just died, went defunct, extinct. Hitting the start button does nothing. I tried everything that anyone on this list suggested to revive the patient, but it remained deceased. I gave up on it. Probably a dead power supply, and I don't know how to replace them. I decided the easiest thing to do would be to transfer its innards, the HDs and RAM, to a working 733. Fortunately, replacement 733s are cheap and plentiful on eBay, going for around $150 or less in good working order. All the above is the setup for this question: there are Digital Audio 733s, and there are Quicksilver 733s, going for approximately the same price. The Quicksilvers are newer, but are they that much better that I should only consider the Quicksilvers? I think that a QS can accept the RAM from a DA, so switching the drives and memory from one to the other should not be a problem. But what would I really gain by upgrading to a Quicksilver 733 instead of a Digital Audio? Or are the differences so slight that I should go with a DA if I happen to see a better deal on one of those on eBay? Any advice much appreciated. Tom --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
My G3 had 9.0 on it when I got it. I did gradual upgrades on it up to 10.3. To install os x I had to erase 9 . When I got a G4 I decided to try getting 9 back on the G3. To get 9 back I had to erase 10. 9 was installed successfully. Then I made the mistake of trying to install 10 again without installing 9.1. Now we are hanging due to unresolved data. My ultimate goal is to have classic and X on the machine. My immediate goal is to erase the drive and start all over or just delete the partially installed X. I have cds for 9,9.1,9.2 ,10,10.03,10.1 ,10.2 and 10.3. I have tried pushing the buttons to reset with no results. Any suggestions? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:05 AM, mlitwin wrote: My ultimate goal is to have classic and X on the machine. My immediate goal is to erase the drive and start all over or just delete the partially installed X. I have cds for 9,9.1,9.2 ,10,10.03,10.1 ,10.2 and 10.3. I have tried pushing the buttons to reset with no results. Any suggestions? Boot from the 10.3 disk. Reformat the drive, by selecting Disk Utility from the Installer menu. BE SURE TO CHECK THE Install OS 9 drivers. Install OS X. Reboot from the OS 9 disk, install OS 9; use 9.1 or 9.2 for this. Reboot, hold down the option key until you have a choice of OS 9 System folder or OS X, select OS X, then go into preferences, Classic and select the OS 9 System folder as the Classic system folder. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Hard Drive Size question
I have a gigabyte ethernet model with a 250GB hard drive. I had to use the Speed Tools ATA High-Cap Driver. Works great! On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 5:02 AM, Dennis Myhand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dc wrote: One other option is a SCSI controller card with a fast drive. I have an ATTO card driving a 15,000 rpm SCSI hard drive with a 16 MB cache on one of my Sawtooths. M...SCSI! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
well that top command is pretty neat... i noticed that the processes running went all the way to the end of the terminal screen.. any way to scroll down and see the rest of the printout? or pipe it to a text file? I am a novice unix user and I haven't quite got all the neat tips and tricks down as of yet. Thanks much for the Top command.. G. On Dec 1, 4:06 pm, Hunter Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/1 Gus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If you open applications in the gui.. say textedit and mail and excel.. is there any way to view these process via the terminal... Run the command top is there a way to kill them via the terminal Run the command killall TextEdit.app or similar. Depending on your OS version, killall TextEdit might work as well as/instead of the previous command. or start them from the terminal? To start an app, try open /Applications/iTunes.app or similar. just curious.. Thanks for those that have helped in the past.. you guys are very smart and I learn al ot from you reading your postings every day. (Hope this isn't too far off topic) -- -hackmiester --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 733 DA or 733 QS?
AVOID 733 QS LIKE THE PLAGUE! There is a known power supply issue. The machines start shutting themselves down after a while. Sooner or later, you'll end up with a very expensive paperweight. :0( On Dec 02, 2008, at 06:24 pm, Len Gerstel wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a G4 733 Digital Audio that I was setting up to give to a relative to use with Photoshop. He's into digital photography, and this 733 ran Photoshop 9 just fine, and I was also giving him iLife for iMovie and iPhoto and such. I put two 250-gig hard drives in it and maxed out the memory at 1.5 gig. It was all set to go. Since you have 2 250GB HD, I assume you have a controller card, either ATA133 or SATA that supports large HDs, and that means you do not need to worry about large HD support on the motherboard that the second generation QS have Fortunately, replacement 733s are cheap and plentiful on eBay, going for around $150 or less in good working order. Make sure you check out LEM swap list, DAs are going for about 100 there All the above is the setup for this question: there are Digital Audio 733s, and there are Quicksilver 733s, going for approximately the same price. The Quicksilvers are newer, but are they that much better that I should only consider the Quicksilvers? I think that a QS can accept the RAM from a DA, so switching the drives and memory from one to the other should not be a problem. But what would I really gain by upgrading to a Quicksilver 733 instead of a Digital Audio? Or are the differences so slight that I should go with a DA if I happen to see a better deal on one of those on eBay? If it is a choice between a 733 DA and a 733 or single 800MHz QS, go with the DA. The 733 and single 800 QSs were the entry level models and do not have a level three cache. They will run like a 5-600MZ processor with a cache. The 733 DA was the top end and has the L3 cache and will be faster than the 2 QS mentioned. The other main consideration is the easily usable OS. All of the above systems will run 10.4 with no problems. You need a very easy hack to install 10.5 on any system with a processor less than 867MHz, but a hack nonetheless. I am fairly certain that 10.6 will only run on Intel based Macs, so if I were in the market for a G4 mac, I would be looking for a 867 or 933 QS to run the latest operating system I could, with a preference to the 933 since it seems to run cooler. Since you have all the parts, I am sure you could get a 867 or 933 stripped (no HD, ram, OS) off of the swap list for not much more than $100. FWIW, I bought my DAs a while ago when there was a big price difference between DAs and QSs and I could upgrade the DAs slowly. My 2 configs are: Work DA has an 867QS processor, hacked Radeon 9600 64MB from a G5, 1GB ram, 120GB HD running 10.4.11 (I need classic apps at work) Home DA has a dual 1.2GHz OWC processor (to be overclocked as soon as I get more cooling) 1.5GB ram, hacked Radeon 9600 pro 128MB video card, 2 x 120GB HD on the onboard ata controller, 320GB and 500GB HDs on a SATA card. This used to have a QS 933 processor in it. HTH, Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 733 DA or 733 QS?
Actually I used the Speed Tools ATA High-Cap Driver with the ata already on the motherboard.-Joans On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Len Gerstel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a G4 733 Digital Audio that I was setting up to give to a relative to use with Photoshop. He's into digital photography, and this 733 ran Photoshop 9 just fine, and I was also giving him iLife for iMovie and iPhoto and such. I put two 250-gig hard drives in it and maxed out the memory at 1.5 gig. It was all set to go. Since you have 2 250GB HD, I assume you have a controller card, either ATA133 or SATA that supports large HDs, and that means you do not need to worry about large HD support on the motherboard that the second generation QS have Fortunately, replacement 733s are cheap and plentiful on eBay, going for around $150 or less in good working order. Make sure you check out LEM swap list, DAs are going for about 100 there All the above is the setup for this question: there are Digital Audio 733s, and there are Quicksilver 733s, going for approximately the same price. The Quicksilvers are newer, but are they that much better that I should only consider the Quicksilvers? I think that a QS can accept the RAM from a DA, so switching the drives and memory from one to the other should not be a problem. But what would I really gain by upgrading to a Quicksilver 733 instead of a Digital Audio? Or are the differences so slight that I should go with a DA if I happen to see a better deal on one of those on eBay? If it is a choice between a 733 DA and a 733 or single 800MHz QS, go with the DA. The 733 and single 800 QSs were the entry level models and do not have a level three cache. They will run like a 5-600MZ processor with a cache. The 733 DA was the top end and has the L3 cache and will be faster than the 2 QS mentioned. The other main consideration is the easily usable OS. All of the above systems will run 10.4 with no problems. You need a very easy hack to install 10.5 on any system with a processor less than 867MHz, but a hack nonetheless. I am fairly certain that 10.6 will only run on Intel based Macs, so if I were in the market for a G4 mac, I would be looking for a 867 or 933 QS to run the latest operating system I could, with a preference to the 933 since it seems to run cooler. Since you have all the parts, I am sure you could get a 867 or 933 stripped (no HD, ram, OS) off of the swap list for not much more than $100. FWIW, I bought my DAs a while ago when there was a big price difference between DAs and QSs and I could upgrade the DAs slowly. My 2 configs are: Work DA has an 867QS processor, hacked Radeon 9600 64MB from a G5, 1GB ram, 120GB HD running 10.4.11 (I need classic apps at work) Home DA has a dual 1.2GHz OWC processor (to be overclocked as soon as I get more cooling) 1.5GB ram, hacked Radeon 9600 pro 128MB video card, 2 x 120GB HD on the onboard ata controller, 320GB and 500GB HDs on a SATA card. This used to have a QS 933 processor in it. HTH, Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
At 10:26 AM -0800 12/2/2008, Gus wrote: well that top command is pretty neat... i noticed that the processes running went all the way to the end of the terminal screen.. any way to scroll down and see the rest of the printout? or pipe it to a text file? I am a novice unix user and I haven't quite got all the neat tips and tricks down as of yet. The command man top will tell you how to use it. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Issue with Thunderbird?
Dennis Myhand wrote: Does anyone know of any issues with installing Thunderbird for Macs? I have a Sawtooth running 10.4.11 on a G-4 450MHz (Beautifully, I might add), and I don't seem to be able to install Thunderbird. At least, it doesn't seem to work like the installer for Firefox did, even though it looks to be built the same. When I slide the icon to the right, nothing happens. It just slides and sits there. When I did that with Firefox, the installer kicked in and installed the application. All useful help is appreciated. Thanks, Dennis in Edna Please check and make sure that you'd downloaded the mac version. If you downloaded using the mac, I think, just like Firefox, it pulls the right version for you. I'm not sure if T-bird does same. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Issue with Thunderbird? SOLVED!
MIKO's Support, Design and Development Services wrote: Short answer is that Thunderbird works FINE on Macs. You just need the right version and a non-corrupted download. The issue was less technical than that. I just needed to drag the installer to the Applications folder and it did what it was supposed to. Things have been a bit hectic around my school since we came back from the Thanksgiving break. Nothing I can go into, but I am looking for less excitement in coming days. Thanks to all, Issue solved. Peace, Dennis Myhand --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
At 12:05 PM -0500 12/2/2008, mlitwin wrote: My G3 had 9.0 on it when I got it. I did gradual upgrades on it Did you update the Mac's firmware? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:53 AM, Dan wrote: In the past I've had no problem making a bootable backup via firewire with Carbon Copy Cloner. Now that I'm using a USB connected external HD, it doesn't show up when I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences. Is there no way I can boot into a USB external drive? Make sure you've initialized/partitioned the drive properly. Intel-based Macs require GUID, not Apple Partition Map. The latter is the default in Disk Utility. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Gus wrote: well that top command is pretty neat... i noticed that the processes running went all the way to the end of the terminal screen.. any way to scroll down and see the rest of the printout? or pipe it to a text file? I am a novice unix user and I haven't quite got all the neat tips and tricks down as of yet. Two things: Drag the corner of the terminal screen to make it larger, you see more. The Activity Window in Activity Monitor (In your Applications/ Utilities folder) shows the same info that top does, in a scrollable GUI. If you're enjoying what you're finding out about Unix, I'd definitely recommend the book: Learning Unix for Mac OS X http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596009151/ This edition is Tiger specific, but most of the info is applicable to any version of OS X. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
At 3:57 PM -0500 12/2/2008, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 but it only works on some models. So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
Hi guys, It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 but it only works on some models. So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. As I mentioned earlier I'm talking Panther and Tiger on the latest MDD G4. New CCC in my case means version 3.1.2. Thanks anyway but I'm still w/o a clue ... Regards, Jörg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: showing process running in 10.4 via the terminal
At 2:44 PM -0700 12/2/2008, Bruce Johnson wrote: Learning Unix for Mac OS X http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596009151/ This edition is Tiger specific, but most of the info is applicable to any version of OS X. /me runs shrieking into the night muttering something about unix tomes - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 3:57 PM -0500 12/2/2008, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 but it only works on some models. So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. Interesting I just assumed Universal meant just that and charged head long into the windmill. I followed the article using a PowerBook G4/1.67 and installed 10.4 and 10.5 with updates on separate FW XHDs. Both have booted up Intel based MBPs and MBs as well as PPC DTs and PBs. Have yet to try it on a MP of any generation. Curious what machines can't be booted from this articles procedure? Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:05 PM, PeterH wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. Interesting I just assumed Universal meant just that and charged head long into the windmill. I followed the article using a PowerBook G4/1.67 and installed 10.4 and 10.5 with updates on separate FW XHDs. Both have booted up Intel based MBPs and MBs as well as PPC DTs and PBs. Have yet to try it on a MP of any generation. Curious what machines can't be booted from this articles procedure? The /System/Library/Extensions folder of 10.5.5 which was installed on a PPC Mac has THE VERY SAME CONTENTS as the same folder on an Intel. Now, the PPC boot disk must be APM (Apple Partition Map), whereas the Intel must be GPT (APM is OK for data-only devices on an Intel Mac) [ * ] . Peter, I followed this: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 . Which says in part: On a Mac OS X 10.5-compatible PowerPC-based Mac, make sure the external hard disk has a Partition Map Scheme of Apple Partition Map (APM). Once installation is complete, you will have an external hard disk that can start up (boot) both PowerPC-based Macs (that are Mac OS X 10.5-compatible) and Intel-based Macs that were available when Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 was released. DU clearly states which format to use when and for what and adhere to this when installing to an IHD. Followed the article for an XHD and it works. Boot up supported even before appropriate flavor of updates. Any theories? Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: DU clearly states which format to use when and for what and adhere to this when installing to an IHD. Followed the article for an XHD and it works. Boot up supported even before appropriate flavor of updates. Any theories? My guess is that certain models have code in their boot ROMs which can accept otherwise foreign disk formats. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
- Original Message From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:22:34 PM Subject: Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:05 AM, mlitwin wrote: My ultimate goal is to have classic and X on the machine. My immediate goal is to erase the drive and start all over or just delete the partially installed X. I have cds for 9,9.1,9.2 ,10,10.03,10.1 ,10.2 and 10.3. I have tried pushing the buttons to reset with no results. Any suggestions? Boot from the 10.3 disk. Reformat the drive, by selecting Disk Utility from the Installer menu. BE SURE TO CHECK THE Install OS 9 drivers. Install OS X. Reboot from the OS 9 disk, install OS 9; use 9.1 or 9.2 for this. Reboot, hold down the option key until you have a choice of OS 9 System folder or OS X, select OS X, then go into preferences, Classic and select the OS 9 System folder as the Classic system folder. I don't think the B/W supports Startup Manager (the option key boot disk choice). So after installing 9.2 (or 9.1) go to control panels and select Startup Disk and select OS X. Then go into preferences, Classic and select the OS 9 System folder as the Classic system folder. As Bruce posted above. Bruce, correct me if I'm wrong. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 733 DA or 733 QS?
Thanks much, everybody! I guess, based on the info above, I'll avoid the 733 Quicksilvers, if they have unreliable power supplies (I've got enough of that trouble already) and do as Len says and either look for a 933 or 1 GHz Quicksilver. I see on the EveryMac website, which gives the specs for various Macs, that the PC133 RAM that I have in the dead 733 DA will work in any of the Quicksilvers, and the later ones don't have the 128-gig HD limit that the DA and the early QSs do. So, as suggested, I'll go to the swap list first and see if anyone can sell me a stripped 933 or 1 GHz Quicksilver, and if not, I'll look for one on eBay. You've been very helpful and I appreciate it. Tom Thomas Baker Art website at http://www.ThomasBakerPaintings.com Ebay art store at http://stores.ebay.com/Thomas-Baker-fine-art-prints YouTube videos: http://tinyurl.com/6e698m Archaeology website at http://www.nmia.com/~jaybird/AANewsletter/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
I put in the 10.3 cd. The computer still gave me the panic error. I was never given the options you mentioned. On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:26 PM, glen wrote: - Original Message From: Bruce Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:22:34 PM Subject: Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:05 AM, mlitwin wrote: My ultimate goal is to have classic and X on the machine. My immediate goal is to erase the drive and start all over or just delete the partially installed X. I have cds for 9,9.1,9.2 ,10,10.03,10.1 ,10.2 and 10.3. I have tried pushing the buttons to reset with no results. Any suggestions? Boot from the 10.3 disk. Reformat the drive, by selecting Disk Utility from the Installer menu. BE SURE TO CHECK THE Install OS 9 drivers. Install OS X. Reboot from the OS 9 disk, install OS 9; use 9.1 or 9.2 for this. Reboot, hold down the option key until you have a choice of OS 9 System folder or OS X, select OS X, then go into preferences, Classic and select the OS 9 System folder as the Classic system folder. I don't think the B/W supports Startup Manager (the option key boot disk choice). So after installing 9.2 (or 9.1) go to control panels and select Startup Disk and select OS X. Then go into preferences, Classic and select the OS 9 System folder as the Classic system folder. As Bruce posted above. Bruce, correct me if I'm wrong. --glen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
I do not know what that is. I installed x,then 10.2,10.2 and then 10.3?It doesn't sound as if I did what you said. On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Dan wrote: At 12:05 PM -0500 12/2/2008, mlitwin wrote: My G3 had 9.0 on it when I got it. I did gradual upgrades on it Did you update the Mac's firmware? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:33 PM, mlitwin wrote: I put in the 10.3 cd. The computer still gave me the panic error. I was never given the options you mentioned. We've never heard if the firmware was up-to-date? I'd suggest you boot any CD and check the firmware revision. If it's not version 1.1, you'll need to update it first: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58374 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:36 PM, mlitwin wrote: I do not know what that firmware is? The firmware is what a PC calls the BIOS. It's the software in the chips of the computer that controls the initial boot process. Since you've installed OS X already, boot and go to ApplicationsUtilitiesSystem Profiler and look under that Hardware tab at the field: Boot ROM Version: It needs to say 1.1 and not 1.0, 1.0.1 or 1.0.2. If it's not version 1.1, download and update it first. (you'll need to be booted in OS 9 to do this). The link was in my previous reply. I installed x,then 10.2,10.2 and then 10.3?It doesn't sound as if I did what you said. You don't need to go from 10.0, to 10.2, to 10.3. Each version is complete. You can start with 10.3 (or better, 10.4) and only install it once. I don't think you'll probably need Classic or OS 9, but who knows, perhaps there's some piece of legacy software that's impossible to replace in OS X? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes and duplicating songs
Spent a few hours tonite using iTunes on a peeeceee (XP), fixing a broken library. OMG. I love my Mac. Have I mentioned I love my Mac? Fast new pc laptop file manipulation - moving hundreds of files around etc, was slower than on my 300-MHz Smurf. Mass-changes in iTunes tracks... 1/10 the speed of my trusty Smurf. And everything took extra clicks etc. Did I mention I love my Mac? Just took a shower. I feel better now. I love my Mac. Mac good. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iTunes and duplicating songs
On Dec 2, 2008, at 11:55 PM, Dan wrote: Spent a few hours tonite using iTunes on a peeeceee (XP), fixing a broken library. OMG. I love my Mac. Have I mentioned I love my Mac? Fast new pc laptop file manipulation - moving hundreds of files around etc, was slower than on my 300-MHz Smurf. Mass-changes in iTunes tracks... 1/10 the speed of my trusty Smurf. And everything took extra clicks etc. Did I mention I love my Mac? Just took a shower. I feel better now. I love my Mac. Mac good. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth I'm sorry you had such a traumatic experience. I have a PC (with XP) in the house ... but it has been disemboweled. Should have known better? Warm showers heal even the worst PC Scars ... I love all my Macs. Bill artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
When I decided to reinstall 9,I erased the disk with 10.3 on it and installed 9.0. That was the only way I could get 9.0 back. 9.0 was successfully installed.Then I tried to install 10.3 unsucessfully. The error occurred when I rebooted after installing or trying to install 10.3. It doesn't matter if I put 10.3 or 9.1 in,I still get the panic error. I never get to the option of erasing a disc or installing 9. On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:36 PM, mlitwin wrote: I do not know what that firmware is? The firmware is what a PC calls the BIOS. It's the software in the chips of the computer that controls the initial boot process. Since you've installed OS X already, boot and go to ApplicationsUtilitiesSystem Profiler and look under that Hardware tab at the field: Boot ROM Version: It needs to say 1.1 and not 1.0, 1.0.1 or 1.0.2. If it's not version 1.1, download and update it first. (you'll need to be booted in OS 9 to do this). The link was in my previous reply. I installed x,then 10.2,10.2 and then 10.3?It doesn't sound as if I did what you said. You don't need to go from 10.0, to 10.2, to 10.3. Each version is complete. You can start with 10.3 (or better, 10.4) and only install it once. I don't think you'll probably need Classic or OS 9, but who knows, perhaps there's some piece of legacy software that's impossible to replace in OS X? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
If I put any cd in,I get the panic error. it's almost as if the data error is making the cd drive not recognize the cd. On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:33 PM, mlitwin wrote: I put in the 10.3 cd. The computer still gave me the panic error. I was never given the options you mentioned. We've never heard if the firmware was up-to-date? I'd suggest you boot any CD and check the firmware revision. If it's not version 1.1, you'll need to update it first: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58374 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: My Power G3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] is in panic mode.-new to Apple
Time to try the 'PRAM Reset' routine (Unknown garbage in PRAM settings can cause some rather strange situations.) While 'booting' (Immediately after pressing the power button) Hold down the 'alt/option', 'command' (apple), 'p', and 'r' keys. Continue holding these keys depressed for at least 3 'Chimes', (more chimes may be better, I usually stop with three, unless things still seem to be screwed up, then 5 or more chimes seems to work.) This SHOULD get you back to the place where you can successfully boot one of the system CDs using the 'c' key while booting. Chuck D. On Dec 3, 2008, at 12:19 AM, mlitwin wrote: If I put any cd in,I get the panic error. it's almost as if the data error is making the cd drive not recognize the cd. On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:37 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 9:33 PM, mlitwin wrote: I put in the 10.3 cd. The computer still gave me the panic error. I was never given the options you mentioned. We've never heard if the firmware was up-to-date? I'd suggest you boot any CD and check the firmware revision. If it's not version 1.1, you'll need to update it first: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58374 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
