Re: MacTuneUp
Thanks, Dan. They've sent me an email for a $10 discount on their software, but I don't know anyone that's used it. For all I know it's total caca. I figured if it were wonderful, people would be gushing about it on this forum, but you never know. . . Scott Birdwell DeFalco's Home Wine Beer Supplies On Jan 26, 4:31 pm, Dan dantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 2:15 PM -0800 1/26/2009, Da'Birdman wrote: Does anybody have any experience with the software MacTuneUp? It's supposed to be a utilities program. Good, bad, so-so? SRP $29.99. Overpriced by about $29.99. Get AppleJack, OnyX, and CarbonCopyCloner - all trusted freeware. Those plus Apple's Disk Utility are all you need. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
Dban works great on pc's. I use it at work. I didn't even know that there was a version that supposedly worked on ppc. What about booting into a flavor of linux to format drives?-Jonas On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Brian Christmas b...@tpg.com.au wrote: On 27/01/2009, at 4:07 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 26, 2009, at 9:53 PM, Charles Davis wrote: Hi Bruce; Are the G3s new enough for firewire external? If not, the same thing can be done with a SCSI external. Setup the external drive with a bootable OSX, boot that and run Disk Utility to wipe the installed drive. Well for that I can just boot off the system CD and do it that way. My issue is that Disk Utility doesn't offer anything between just writing zeros across the drive and doing an 8-way secure erase which takes way too long. -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs G'day Bruce From the dim, dark recesses of my feeble mind I remember reading somewhere that Apple tried a 4 and 8 pass choice, but 4 passes did not fully erase the drive, hence the only choice of 8 passes for a full, secure erasure when disposing of a drive, and a single pass if you intended to re-use the drive yourself. Might be faster to DD (dismantle and destroy). Regards Santa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Dan wrote: At 2:06 PM -0700 1/26/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: Click to Flash, a webkit (and safari-compatible) plugin to display any flash content on a web page as a gradient. To play the flash content, click on it. http://code.google.com/p/clicktoflash/ A nicer way of controlling Flash in your browser...see the content, but not the ads, for example... Google sayeth: Forbidden Your client does not have permission to get URL /p/clicktoflash/ from this server. That's weird, you're using Webkit, I presume? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
At 10:09 AM -0700 1/27/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Dan wrote: At 2:06 PM -0700 1/26/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: http://code.google.com/p/clicktoflash/ Google sayeth: Forbidden Your client does not have permission to get URL /p/clicktoflash/ from this server. That's weird, you're using Webkit, I presume? Ya. Is it workin for you? Might be an isp block. Does this thing even work on Tiger? I googled around read a few comments that it may not. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Dan wrote: At 2:06 PM -0700 1/26/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: Click to Flash, a webkit (and safari-compatible) plugin to display any flash content on a web page as a gradient. To play the flash content, click on it. http://code.google.com/p/clicktoflash/ A nicer way of controlling Flash in your browser...see the content, but not the ads, for example... Google sayeth: Forbidden Your client does not have permission to get URL /p/clicktoflash/ from this server. That's weird, you're using Webkit, I presume? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs I got the same forbidden message on Safari and Firefox. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Airport extreme 802.11b or 802.11g?
Am I stuck with 802.11b on my MDD firewire 800? or can I use the Airport extreme card 802.11b/g? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 208-935-0992 eBay ID: Bluebedheads w/290+ pos. feedback --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
George Hozendorf wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Dan wrote: At 2:06 PM -0700 1/26/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: Click to Flash, a webkit (and safari-compatible) plugin to display any flash content on a web page as a gradient. To play the flash content, click on it. http://code.google.com/p/clicktoflash/ A nicer way of controlling Flash in your browser...see the content, but not the ads, for example... Google sayeth: Forbidden Your client does not have permission to get URL /p/clicktoflash/ from this server. That's weird, you're using Webkit, I presume? -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs I got the same forbidden message on Safari and Firefox. google search turned up a link that mentioned having to be a member of something saw this tho http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master same thing ? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:09 AM -0700 1/27/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Dan wrote: At 2:06 PM -0700 1/26/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: http://code.google.com/p/clicktoflash/ Google sayeth: Forbidden Your client does not have permission to get URL /p/clicktoflash/ from this server. That's weird, you're using Webkit, I presume? Ya. Is it workin for you? Might be an isp block. Ah frak, it doesn't seem to be working now... Wonder if some goons from Marketing got to it Anyhoo here 'tis at least for a few days or my system gets slashdotted: http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/ClickToFlash.zip The source code is included, so if it's not working on Tiger, you can try compiling it and seeing what's broken... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Mark wrote: saw this tho http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master same thing ? That was a link to a modified version that does whitelisting, allegedly. Saw the link on the discussion at Ars Technica. A whole buncha people saw it and posted about it yesterday (I found it via Daring Fireball, who got it from...who got it from...in that modern Web version of the samizdat telegraph, to mangle metaphors..), but it's not like Google should have a problem handling the traffic... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: 2 Previous System Folders?
On Jan 27, 2009, at 1:19 PM, Anne Keller-Smith wrote: Hi, Did an Archive and Install a couple days ago, and the HD is screaming it's pretty full. Now, I did an offload of inessential documents as well, so huh? I notice there are 2 previous system folders: Previous System, this one is empty, and Previous System I. Can I delete the stuff in that one? Looks like a partial archive, not a whole one. Yes. Those are there as a 'just in case' you need to recover things after upgrading, it's perfectly safe to delete everything in the Previous Systems folder. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
On Jan 27, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Mark wrote: saw this tho http://github.com/rentzsch/clicktoflash/tree/master same thing ? That was a link to a modified version that does whitelisting, allegedly. Saw the link on the discussion at Ars Technica. A whole buncha people saw it and posted about it yesterday (I found it via Daring Fireball, who got it from...who got it from...in that modern Web version of the samizdat telegraph, to mangle metaphors..), but it's not like Google should have a problem handling the traffic... And today, I see that the link at github.com is also noted on Daring Fireball's site... Therefore I'll take my copy down later today... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Cool plugin
At 1:10 PM -0700 1/27/2009, Bruce Johnson wrote: Ah frak, it doesn't seem to be working now... Wonder if some goons from Marketing got to it If I was Adobe, I would crush it. A plug-in like that could severely damage their ad-revenue. Anyhoo here 'tis at least for a few days or my system gets slashdotted: http://dbdev2.pharmacy.arizona.edu/miscjunk/ClickToFlash.zip The source code is included, so if it's not working on Tiger, you can try compiling it and seeing what's broken... Thanks! - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Good dvd ripping software??
I am looking for a good dvd ripping software that will rip tv shows. I've tried handbrake mactheripper.-Jonas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport extreme 802.11b or 802.11g?
Jeffrey Engle wrote: Am I stuck with 802.11b on my MDD firewire 800? or can I use the Airport extreme card 802.11b/g? No. Any Mac that takes any sort of Airport card takes ONLY one type of card, either the original or the extreme. But you can get a PCI card with with a g or n interface. If your Mac has USB 2.0 you can get a USB dongle that will do 802.11g. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Good dvd ripping software??
jonas ulrich wrote: I am looking for a good dvd ripping software that will rip tv shows. I've tried handbrake mactheripper. -Jonas I use MactheRipper to rip DVD's ... how are you going to rip TV shows ... just copy and burn them to DVD ... that is what I do. Dan Currie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Airport extreme 802.11b or 802.11g?
Thanks, I guess I knew that already, just got a brain fluffy. Jeff On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:40 PM, Clark Martin wrote: Jeffrey Engle wrote: Am I stuck with 802.11b on my MDD firewire 800? or can I use the Airport extreme card 802.11b/g? No. Any Mac that takes any sort of Airport card takes ONLY one type of card, either the original or the extreme. But you can get a PCI card with with a g or n interface. If your Mac has USB 2.0 you can get a USB dongle that will do 802.11g. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway Paypal strongly preferred at: twoapplen...@gmail.com Ships from: Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 208-935-0992 eBay ID: Bluebedheads w/290+ pos. feedback --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Need help Yahama CRW2200 burner
Hi List, I installed a Yamaha 2200E burner in a BW G3 with OS9.2.2 OSX10.3.9. It reads CD's OK, but is not seen as burner by NeroMAX Ver 1.6.5 or Toast Titanium 5, which came with it. I set it to Master because if set as slave it is not seen at all. I have spent a couple of hours looking for drivers on web with no good results. I believe my BW MoBd is rev. 1. Any help will be appreciated. Wm. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Brian Christmas wrote: G'day Bruce From the dim, dark recesses of my feeble mind I remember reading somewhere that Apple tried a 4 and 8 pass choice, but 4 passes did not fully erase the drive, hence the only choice of 8 passes for a full, secure erasure when disposing of a drive, and a single pass if you intended to re-use the drive yourself. Might be faster to DD (dismantle and destroy). I'm late to this thread, but I'd thought I'd ask: Why isn't 1 Pass, Writing Zeroes, sufficient to wipe a disk clean? Isn't that 7 Passes, a DoD (Department of Defense-iveness) government hoopla / hangup / thingy? Something to give government workers something else useless to do? (I use to work for the General Accounting Office). Apologies to current government workers in advance. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Why isn't 1 Pass, Writing Zeroes, sufficient to wipe a disk clean? There exists special hardware/software that can scan a disk for the strength of the magnetism of each individual bit. There is a residual magnetism each time a bit is erased. As an example, if the residual was 10% (a convenient size for this example), and the initial bits were 0 and 1 (relative values), then the first write would be 1, and the first erase would be 0.1 (10% residual charge). The second write would be 1.1 and the second erase would be 0.11. After a series of reads writes, the actual value of the magnetism of each bit retains a record of its past values within the exact magnetism. In this artificially convenient example, the values will only be 1's or 0's, so if you measured the value of a bit as 1.0110111 this would tell you that the current value is 1, the the previous seven values were 0,1,1,0,1,1,1 respectively. It's not this simple in real life, but theoretically you can reconstruct erased and rewritten data. Isn't that 7 Passes, a DoD (Department of Defense-iveness) government hoopla/hangup/thingy? I've read somewhere the CIA or someone had the precision to get the previous 13 read/write cycles. I'd guess this is really difficult, but what do I know, perhaps it's been automated? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:25 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: Why isn't 1 Pass, Writing Zeroes, sufficient to wipe a disk clean? There exists special hardware/software that can scan a disk for the strength of the magnetism of each individual bit. There is a residual magnetism each time a bit is erased. As an example, if the residual was 10% (a convenient size for this example), and the initial bits were 0 and 1 (relative values), then the first write would be 1, and the first erase would be 0.1 (10% residual charge). The second write would be 1.1 and the second erase would be 0.11. After a series of reads writes, the actual value of the magnetism of each bit retains a record of its past values within the exact magnetism. In this artificially convenient example, the values will only be 1's or 0's, so if you measured the value of a bit as 1.0110111 this would tell you that the current value is 1, the the previous seven values were 0,1,1,0,1,1,1 respectively. It's not this simple in real life, but theoretically you can reconstruct erased and rewritten data. Isn't that 7 Passes, a DoD (Department of Defense-iveness) government hoopla/hangup/thingy? I've read somewhere the CIA or someone had the precision to get the previous 13 read/write cycles. I'd guess this is really difficult, but what do I know, perhaps it's been automated? OIC. Maybe an MRI would do it. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
On 28/01/2009, at 2:25 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: On Jan 27, 2009, at 12:19 AM, Brian Christmas wrote: G'day Bruce From the dim, dark recesses of my feeble mind I remember reading somewhere that Apple tried a 4 and 8 pass choice, but 4 passes did not fully erase the drive, hence the only choice of 8 passes for a full, secure erasure when disposing of a drive, and a single pass if you intended to re-use the drive yourself. Might be faster to DD (dismantle and destroy). I'm late to this thread, but I'd thought I'd ask: Why isn't 1 Pass, Writing Zeroes, sufficient to wipe a disk clean? Isn't that 7 Passes, a DoD (Department of Defense-iveness) government hoopla / hangup / thingy? Something to give government workers something else useless to do? (I use to work for the General Accounting Office). Apologies to current government workers in advance. G'day Bill There's been a lot of debate over the years about how many passes will actually 'wipe' a drive, and the USA DoD asks for three zeroing passes. Tiger offered up to 35 passes, as well as 7 and 1. http://support.apple.com/kb/TA24002?viewlocale=en_US If I can correctly remember the article I read some years ago, Apple (or a 3rd party) found partial info recoverable after three zeroings. In dispute of this, though, read... http://tinyurl.com/d7voj6 Regards Santa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:25 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: I'm late to this thread, but I'd thought I'd ask: Why isn't 1 Pass, Writing Zeroes, sufficient to wipe a disk clean? Because one pass is relatively easy to undo. Hard drives are like palimpsests: you can recover 'old' data underneath the existing data. Writing just zeroes to the drive makes it about as trivial a recovery as this stuff gets. Isn't that 7 Passes, a DoD (Department of Defense-iveness) government hoopla / hangup / thingy? Something to give government workers something else useless to do? Uh, no, something to keep confidential information from falling onto the hands of whoever buys this surplus gear. Most companies don't even do that...they physically destroy drives instead of surplusing them. (I use to work for the General Accounting Office). Thanks for making those of us who work hard and take our responsibilities to the public trust look bad. :-( -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
At 9:53 PM -0600 1/27/2009, Kris Tilford wrote: Isn't that 7 Passes, a DoD (Department of Defense-iveness) government hoopla/hangup/thingy? I've read somewhere the CIA or someone had the precision to get the previous 13 read/write cycles. I'd guess this is really difficult, but what do I know, perhaps it's been automated? Not CIA. One of those other agencies. :) It was being done 20 years ago. The read-head sensitivity has only gotten better. At one point, we were required to do a multi-pass galloping erase. That means first you write zeros, then ones, then a shifting bit pattern, then zeros, then ones, then,... But even that wasn't enough. That's why today some projects require that the HDA be cracked open, the platters removed, acid washed, then shredded -- AFTER the erase and degauss is done. Sounds like an extreme... but you have to consider the importance of the data. You have to secure it just farther than the enemy is willing to go to retrieve it. Shredding begat finer shredding begat cross shredding begat burn bags begat things like acid washing of ashes... - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Good dvd ripping software??
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote: I am looking for a good dvd ripping software that will rip tv shows. I've tried handbrake mactheripper. Be careful, the more you rip the more artists you put out on the streets! There's a reason why there aren't a ton of these utilities freely available for use in the US, it's /illegal/ and unethical. -- Best Regards, John Musbach --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to flash a video card?
On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:38 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: I'd like to flash a PC video card for use in my MDD machine. The card is a 128 Meg nVidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600 Video Card. Can somebody give me some ideas how to do this? You could start here: http://themacelite.wikidot.com/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: DBAN on Macs??
On Jan 27, 2009, at 10:02 PM, insightinmind wrote: Maybe an MRI would do it. I've seen powerful electo-magnets with small slots that you were supposed to pass magnetic media through the slot for a total erase cycle instantly. I don't think these were meant for HDs, but who knows? I'd guess an MRI would ruin and magnetic media also if the media got close enough. Interestingly, Rolex manufactures a non-magnetic watch for use in high magnetic field industries such as aluminum smelting or MRI operator. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
