Re: Trouble with Bondi again.
Hmm. I did notice that the problem started after I upgraded from 10.2.4 to 10.2.8. I know the beige G3's had this problem also, on mine that fix has worked very well (No black screens in about a year or so) I'm going to try that right now. -Cyrus PS. I also checked MacTracker, and it says the Rev. A G3 iMacs only accept 256Mb of ram... I was about to buy two 256 ones from someone on the LEM swap, but should I just get two 128's? I am pretty sure I have a Rev. A iMac, since on the motherboard it doesn't say the revision. On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:35 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 14, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Cyrus wrote: Well, I posted about my G3 Bondi iMac before, but now I've encountered a different problem. Here are the specs: 233MHz OSX 10.2.8 92mb RAM. Here's the problem: It runs fine for a while, (5-15mins) then, the display goes black, the power light goes yellow (like it does when it sleeps) and no amount of coaxing will wake it up, I'm pretty sure it just crashes. I have to pull the power cord out. Has anyone had this happen before? What's the most likely cause? This is a known issue: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25564 It's been written about extensively on the Apple DiscussionOlder HardwareBeige G3 section. There really aren't any good solutions for the Bondi because it lacks any way to add a Radeon video card, which is the normal solution for this issue that affects the built-in Rage video only. You have too little RAM in the Bondi for using OS X effectively. One possible solution is to stop upgrading at 10.2.6 because it was a video system overhaul that effects 10.2.8 forward thru 10.4.11. Also, if you had more RAM this would probably make the black screen lockup occur MUCH less often because the causal factor has something to do with the way the video interacts with the HD read/write activity. The harder the HD is working, the more likely to experience the black screen lockup. You need a lot of HD freespace for OS X, and at least 2GB freespace for Jaguar. If you have less freespace, the HD will work harder and cause this issue more often. There is NO solution to the lockup other than a restart, normally a Force Restart using the Ctl-Cmd-Pwr keys. With max RAM, and perhaps a HD with a larger buffer or higher speed, you'd probably minimize the HD read/write cycles so the black screen would occur less often. On a Beige G3 with over 512MB RAM and 10.4.11 the black screen lockup would occur about once-per- week with 4-8 hours usage per day. Also, if your Bondi only has the 2MB VRAM, get the option 4MB VRAM chip to up the VRAM to the max. 6MB. Hope this helps a little, but there really isn't any totally good solution. You can only minimize the occurrence. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
I haven't really had to deal with computers that have been used in a smokers home. You say that goo builds up??? HOW??? just from the smoke or what? I might suggest maybe using rubbing alcohol and a tooth brush... i would just replace fans and stuff though...-Jonas On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 3/14/09 6:09 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I have had this with three old Macs. My drill is to get My drill is not to buy machines from smokers because the stench will never be completely removed from said computer. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 3/14/09 6:09 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I have had this with three old Macs. My drill is to get My drill is not to buy machines from smokers because the stench will never be completely removed from said computer. _ I bought them sight unseen from well known folks on the swap list. And I disagree. The method I described takes away the smell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Trouble with Bondi again.
On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Cyrus Griffin wrote: Hmm. I did notice that the problem started after I upgraded from 10.2.4 to 10.2.8. I know the beige G3's had this problem also, on mine that fix has worked very well (No black screens in about a year or so) I'm going to try that right now. Good. PS. I also checked MacTracker, and it says the Rev. A G3 iMacs only accept 256Mb of ram... I was about to buy two 256 ones from someone on the LEM swap, but should I just get two 128's? I am pretty sure I have a Rev. A iMac, since on the motherboard it doesn't say the revision. This isn't correct, they can accept 512MB also, in PC66, PC100 or PC133 SoDimm. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
Hi Peter... On Mar 14, 2009, at 2:42 PM, PeterH wrote: With over-application of Arctic Silver, for example, to a G4, there are power decoupling lines on the surface of the chip which can be shorted-out by such oozing. The washer which Apple generally applies to its processors can limit the intrusion of the conductive paste to those lines. However, over-application will usually get underneath the washer and be resistant to attempts to remove it. If you over-apply Arctic Silver, you are asking for trouble. If you over-apply silicone thermal grease, there is no issue except for the mess. Pine-Sol®, applied full-strength, can dissolve most such greases. And, as Pine-Sol is water-soluble, the excess grease, then in suspension, will simply, and completely wash-off. I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On 15/3/09 09:21, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda I've removed quite a few glued heatsinks. Firstly I put it in the freezer for an hour or so then I work carefully around the edges of the seal with a thin blade or scalpel (oops another finger gone) until it pops off. If it refuses to budge I put it back in the freezer for another hour and try again - and so onalways works for me... Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
I know this tune all too well, having just played it recently... I finally disabled the Keyboard Assistant that came with Tiger. I got tired of being nagged by the Assistant and I noticed that my keyboard was functioning properly. This is one of those cases where I don't understand what the problem is on Apple's side, but choose to ignore it and go about my business as usual. I might add that this same issue came up on my wife's iMac G5 after doing a low level reset. The G5 did not recognize its own keyboardbut it worked just fine. tonycd wrote: Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a BW, then transplanted the drive into another BW. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the Initialize Your Keyboard (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it doinked that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. Did you try hitting any other keys. Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB devices, restarted. Same result. The dialog box always gives the same error message: You're hitting the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard. This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. The disks say CPU Drop-In. I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at least a laptop keyboard. Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
jumpers
I have a new hard drive on order. I plan to install it into my BW and after carbon copy, switch it to the master position. I am presently using a Quantum Fireball as my main drive. Interestingly, the BW prefers me to set the jumper on CS instead of Master. The new drive is a Seagate Barricuda (3160815A) and should be faster than the Quantum. Question: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
On Mar 15, 2009, at 2:37 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: I haven't really had to deal with computers that have been used in a smokers home. You say that goo builds up??? HOW??? just from the smoke or what? I might suggest maybe using rubbing alcohol and a tooth brush... rubbing alcohol === BAD 'Rubbing Alcohol' often has 'Emollients and perfumes', plus who knows what else, added to keep the users skin from being 'dried out'. Now the 91% Isopropyl is much better, and just a few cents more per bottle at the Drug Store. [WalleyMart, wherever!] Chuck D. i would just replace fans and stuff though... -Jonas On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 3/14/09 6:09 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I have had this with three old Macs. My drill is to get My drill is not to buy machines from smokers because the stench will never be completely removed from said computer. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers
On 15/3/09 13:56, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I have a new hard drive on order. I plan to install it into my BW and after carbon copy, switch it to the master position. I am presently using a Quantum Fireball as my main drive. Interestingly, the BW prefers me to set the jumper on CS instead of Master. The new drive is a Seagate Barricuda (3160815A) and should be faster than the Quantum. Question: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. As I understand it - cs stands for cable select which - in the case of two devices on one ide cable both of which are set to cs - gives 'master' to the device nearest the mobo and slave to the second device. Could be I'm wrong - I haven't googled for it but that's what I always thought. Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers
Lawrence David Eden wrote: I have a new hard drive on order. I plan to install it into my BW and after carbon copy, switch it to the master position. I am presently using a Quantum Fireball as my main drive. Interestingly, the BW prefers me to set the jumper on CS instead of Master. The new drive is a Seagate Barricuda (3160815A) and should be faster than the Quantum. Question: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. CS stand for (among other thing), cable select. set the new drive to the cable select setting. Install it on the cable on the other connector besides the fireball. The drive controller will see the new drive as the slave drive. Once you carbon copy it. move it to the cable connector formerly used by the fireball. In cable select, it is the position of the drive on the cable which determines master or slave. Peace, Dennis --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers
On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Lawrence David Eden wrote: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? The BW and all later HD (and optical/Zip) cables are set up for CS, but these do not use it explicitly except during the initial roll call function of POST. This is related to a Compaq/HP patent for CS whereby the device characteristics of the attached drives may be more easily determined, and the motherboard chip thereby may be more easily set as to speed, etcetera. This procedure requires a cable which is set up for CS so that the host adapter may determine if a 40-wire/40-pin cable is attached, or if an 80-wire/40-pin cable is attached, and if the latter, then the speed of each drive may be interrogated by sending a special reset sequence to each of the attached drives. When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. Thereafter (after roll call is complete) the Mac uses master and slave. By convention, the optical drive is always master and the Zip, or a hard drive which is installed in place of the Zip, is always slave. Also by convention, the lower drive of the two-drive carrier is always master (although it need not be, if a second drive is also present) while the upper drive of the carrier is slave. On the two-drive carrier and the HD bus, you may freely interchange master and slave as long as two drives are always present. Typically, I initialize new HDs in the Zip bay of the optical bus (I have NO Zips on any of my machines). Therefore, this HD is always slave. After testing is complete, I may then move it to the two-drive carrier, also as slave, but I could just as easily move it to the two- high carrier as master, retaining the slave which may already be there. (This allows for a lot of flexibility when CCC-ing backup or duplicate drives.) Most of my remaining G4s ... and I have about a half-dozen of them ... use a 160 GB master and a 500 GB slave, on the two-high carrier. The 160 GB drive has 10.3.9, 10.3.9 Server. 10.4.11 and 10.5.6 in the under 131,072 MB area, with about 25 GB left over as scratch (usually used for temporary storage for Toast). The 500 GB drive is a pure data drive and is generally partitioned as 131,072 MB and about 338 GB. With the availability of the LBA48 Property script for all G4s (and possibly for the BW and Yikes! as well) I could operate the drives without the hard 131,072 partitioning, but old habits die hard. Incidentally, I just yesterday acquired a QS 2001 to which had been applied a firmware update which gave that machine permanent large drive capability without using the LBA48 Property scripts. I tested this fact by executing a reset-nvram in O.F., and after the reboot the 200 GB drive was still seen as 200 GB and not as 128 GB. For non-QS machines, the LBA48 Property scripts remain an option. http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a + A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best G4 powermac??
On Mar 14, 2009, at 9:17 PM, Paul wrote: 1) Dual 1.0 GHz G4 -- 60 minutes [ 10.4.11, 1.5 GB 133 MHz RAM ] 2) Core 2 Duo E8400 running at 3.6 GHz -- 12.5 minutes (4.8 times as fast) [ 10.5.5, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] 3) Core 2 Quad Q9400 running at 3.2 GHz -- 10 minutes ( 6 times as fast) [ 10.5.6, 2 GB 800 MHz RAM ] How would a low-to-medium grade G5 compare? I have no G5s, so no data to compare. Given that those Intels were completed for a few hundred $$$ each, the price/performance of those Intels would far exceed the price/ performance of a G5, even on the off-hand chance that the G5 could turn in wall-clock numbers which exceeded those Intels (unlikely, but possible, I guess). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Trouble with Bondi again.
Ok, then I think I'll go for it. The Mactracker info is somewhat confusing. Thanks! PS. The black screen fix worked great, I don't know why I didn't connect that! I guess since it looks so much different then the Biege G3s... but hardware-wise it's very similar. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! -Cyrus On Mar 15, 2009, at 12:18 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Mar 15, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Cyrus Griffin wrote: Hmm. I did notice that the problem started after I upgraded from 10.2.4 to 10.2.8. I know the beige G3's had this problem also, on mine that fix has worked very well (No black screens in about a year or so) I'm going to try that right now. Good. PS. I also checked MacTracker, and it says the Rev. A G3 iMacs only accept 256Mb of ram... I was about to buy two 256 ones from someone on the LEM swap, but should I just get two 128's? I am pretty sure I have a Rev. A iMac, since on the motherboard it doesn't say the revision. This isn't correct, they can accept 512MB also, in PC66, PC100 or PC133 SoDimm. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
I would reinforce this statement that in the arena of semi-conductor equipment manufacturing, IPA is the ONLY liquid allowed in a clean room environment. Not only is it used for cleaning components but also as a lubricant for assembly of difficult metals such as stainless to stainless fasteners. JT Charles Davis wrote: On Mar 15, 2009, at 2:37 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: I haven't really had to deal with computers that have been used in a smokers home. You say that goo builds up??? HOW??? just from the smoke or what? I might suggest maybe using rubbing alcohol and a tooth brush... rubbing alcohol === BAD 'Rubbing Alcohol' often has 'Emollients and perfumes', plus who knows what else, added to keep the users skin from being 'dried out'. Now the 91% Isopropyl is much better, and just a few cents more per bottle at the Drug Store. [WalleyMart, wherever!] Chuck D. i would just replace fans and stuff though... -Jonas On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 3/14/09 6:09 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I have had this with three old Macs. My drill is to get My drill is not to buy machines from smokers because the stench will never be completely removed from said computer. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
ISA = Isopropyl Alcohol? On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:04 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: Isopropyl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
I would like to say thanks for all the input here, It's really helped me make an informed decision on how or if I am going to tackle these jobs when I come to them. Again, thanks! Jeff On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:04 AM, James E. Therrault wrote: I would reinforce this statement that in the arena of semi-conductor equipment manufacturing, IPA is the ONLY liquid allowed in a clean room environment. Not only is it used for cleaning components but also as a lubricant for assembly of difficult metals such as stainless to stainless fasteners. JT Charles Davis wrote: On Mar 15, 2009, at 2:37 AM, jonas ulrich wrote: I haven't really had to deal with computers that have been used in a smokers home. You say that goo builds up??? HOW??? just from the smoke or what? I might suggest maybe using rubbing alcohol and a tooth brush... rubbing alcohol === BAD 'Rubbing Alcohol' often has 'Emollients and perfumes', plus who knows what else, added to keep the users skin from being 'dried out'. Now the 91% Isopropyl is much better, and just a few cents more per bottle at the Drug Store. [WalleyMart, wherever!] Chuck D. i would just replace fans and stuff though... -Jonas On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 9:50 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: On 3/14/09 6:09 PM, Wallace Adrian D'Alessio fluxstrin...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I have had this with three old Macs. My drill is to get My drill is not to buy machines from smokers because the stench will never be completely removed from said computer. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G3 stalls on boot-up
Your iMac should run Panther just fine (if it has the firmware update) If not, make sure it has a VGA port on the back. (I have more info if you're confused about that, we installed 10.4 onto a 400Mhz Blueberry iMac, and killed the video; since it didn't have an external VGA port, we had to get a new motherboard) I would just try reinstalling 10.3 (Panther). What OS do you currently have on it? It might not be able to run OS 8.6 if it's a Graphite/Snow/Sage/Ruby model. You can initialize and format a HD from the OSX installer, or run Disk Utility. Same with OS 8.6, if I'm not mistaken. You also might try reseting the Pram, by holding Option + Apple + R + P while you start it up, and wait for about 4 or 5 chimes, then let go. Hope that helps, -Cyrus On Mar 14, 2009, at 7:27 PM, old newbie wrote: My 400Mhz G3 won't complete its boot. It seems to be going through the process, albeit slowly, but then stops, with a message at the top of the screen, which still has only the Apple logo, which says something like, half duplex disabled, and the system stops. I acquired a couple of G3 boxes, neither of which has a hard drive, but with assurances that the mainboards were functional. After installing one of these in my original box, the bootup proceeded exactly the same, including the message when it stopped. My thought now is that the hard drive is corrupted or has gone south completely. Is there a way to determine which has occurred, or would it be better to just replace the drive and start over? If that is the case, how do I go about that? I have OS 8.6 and Panther available, but do I need more, like something to format or otherwise enable the hard disk? As you can tell, I am not at all familiar with the Mac system requirements. Any advice is welcome. I really don't want to give up on this, as it has become a challenge of wits, in which I am obviously at a severe disadvantage, but I'd like to pull a Forrest on this and make it go somehow. Barrie --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
On Mar 14, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: CPUs and heat sinks never move, they simply need a thermally conductive join. And yeah, that '34 would be worth a whole boatload of money today...:-) -- Bruce Johnson U of Az College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions don't have opinions, merely customs At last, a voice of reason and acuity in this exercise in tedium. Also I take issue with this statement the exhaust manifold comes off the sides of the engine, not down the middle... Never saw an engine (V8) with the exhaust down the middle. John Callahan jcalla...@stny.rr.com If there are no dogs in Heaven, when I die I want to go where they went.¨ --Will Rogers extreme positive = (ybya2) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
Hey John... On Mar 15, 2009, at 9:17 AM, John Callahan wrote: At last, a voice of reason and acuity in this exercise in tedium. Also I take issue with this statement the exhaust manifold comes off the sides of the engine, not down the middle... Never saw an engine (V8) with the exhaust down the middle. John Callahan Never saw a Chevrolet engine like that. Ford had an aluminum block, 255 four cam racing engine with the exhaust ports facing the middle of the engine. 'Tis a rare bird and not very many ever saw street use. I saw one at a car show in Chicago many years ago. Darned if I figure a way to work G-Processors or thermal grease into this observation... sorry nannys! ;-) Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: BW with new Tiger won't recognize keyboards
How did you disable it, Lawrence? On Mar 15, 8:44 am, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: I know this tune all too well, having just played it recently... I finally disabled the Keyboard Assistant that came with Tiger. I got tired of being nagged by the Assistant and I noticed that my keyboard was functioning properly. This is one of those cases where I don't understand what the problem is on Apple's side, but choose to ignore it and go about my business as usual. I might add that this same issue came up on my wife's iMac G5 after doing a low level reset. The G5 did not recognize its own keyboardbut it worked just fine. tonycd wrote: Just installed Tiger on a new blank hard drive in a BW, then transplanted the drive into another BW. (Long story. You don't wanna know.) The computer booted up perfectly. When the Initialize Your Keyboard (or whatever the window's called) popped up, though, it doinked that it didn't acknowledge the key I struck when instructed to hit the key to the right of the left-hand Shift key. Did you try hitting any other keys. Is this USB keyboard a non-Apple keyboard? I connected the ADB Mac Extended Keyboard II and its ADB mouse that this machine will ultimately be using (without disconnecting the other -- duh!). Same thing. Recognized the error, disconnected the USB devices, restarted. Same result. The dialog box always gives the same error message: You're hitting the build-in (sic) keyboard. Use your external keyboard. This edition of Tiger came on CD's. I ordered it from the Internets. The disks say CPU Drop-In. I'm not aware of ANY recent-vintage Apple with a built-in keyboard. What gives? Uhm, every laptop has a built-in keyboard... For whatever reason it sounds like it thinks you have a laptop, or at least a laptop keyboard. Are you plugging in the USB keyboard to the built in USB ports? -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
PETE!!! On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:08 AM, pdimage wrote: On 15/3/09 09:21, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda I've removed quite a few glued heatsinks. Firstly I put it in the freezer for an hour or so then I work carefully around the edges of the seal with a thin blade or scalpel (oops another finger gone) until it pops off. If it refuses to budge I put it back in the freezer for another hour and try again - and so onalways works for me... Pete Yer awesome! A few hours in the fridge (got busy with housework don'tcha know) and they popped apart with a few pokes of the razor knife. I wouldn't make such a fuss... it's a wintel box, but it is a P4-2.4 GHz and not too much of a slouch. ;-) Many thanks, Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Oh, that nasty cigarette goo!
On 3/14/09 11:37 PM, jonas ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com Broadcast into the ether: I haven't really had to deal with computers that have been used in a smokers home. You say that goo builds up??? HOW??? just from the smoke or what? I might suggest maybe using rubbing alcohol and a tooth brush... i would just replace fans and stuff though... Cigarettes have all kinds of chemicals that, when a user smokes near a computer, gets insides and coats all the innards with goo. This has 2 effects. The first being the horrible sticky stinky goo that can be smelled from 10 feet away. The 2nd is that it coats all the internal components and gums up fans etc. I have some horror story pics of cat owners that smoked but don¹t get me started. The end result is that a coating of goo on all the components is bad. It acts as an insulator and causes capacitors (and other components) to heat up faster (and remain hotter) and causes the machines to have a shorter life span. Imagine wearing a parka in summer. Kyle Hansen -- This is the way the world ends...not with a bang, but a twitter. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: jumpers
1- Assuming that what you say is correct - I. E. you must install the jumper to a CS setting then why not try removing your master HD, change the jumper to a CS setting, jumper your new HD to master and reinstall both in the proper position on the flat cable. or 2- Assume that you can use the master/slave setup with your jumpers, then remove the master, set the jumper (or remove the jumper) to convert the HD to slave, set the jumper on the new HD to master, and reinstall both in the proper position on the flat cable. For either setting, when you boot up, hold down the option key and when the arrow comes up select the HD that has OS X installed and click on the arrow to boot from that drive. Then use disk utility to check both HDs and correct permissions on the HD that was your master. After that process, employ CCC to do a back up on the new drive. Upon completion, do a restart boot, hold down ht eoption key and dselect the new drive whch should be your master. If you you boot up successfuly then go to Systems Preferences and select that HD as your boot drive. I hope that works for you. Mel --- On Sun, 3/15/09, Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net wrote: From: Lawrence David Eden lde...@comcast.net Subject: jumpers To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 6:56 AM I have a new hard drive on order. I plan to install it into my BW and after carbon copy, switch it to the master position. I am presently using a Quantum Fireball as my main drive. Interestingly, the BW prefers me to set the jumper on CS instead of Master. The new drive is a Seagate Barricuda (3160815A) and should be faster than the Quantum. Question: I want to install the Seagate as a slave until I can do a carbon copy clone. Then I want to use the Seagate as my new Master and the Quantum as a slave. If the Seagate must be set to CS in order to work in my BW, what should the jumper settings be for the Quantum? When I get the new drive, how do I set it to be the slave to the Quantum? The CS setting is somewhat confusing to me as it is neither Master of Slave. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iCal 3.0.6 - 2 Home calendars
Somehow iCal 3.0.6/10.5.6 has created a second Home calendar which may be causing my current problem of January 2009 in month view being filled with items from multiple months' events. Clicking each Home calendar on/off (in an attempt to find which one I could try to delete) is causing the other calendars to react, either disappearing events from those calendars or reordering the order of multiple events on the same day. Since I'm not wanting to lose my calendars, I'm looking for suggestions on how to fix the 2-Home calendars that are affecting the entire calendar. Thanks Steve R --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Thermal grease?
Back on topic... I promise!!! On Mar 15, 2009, at 3:08 AM, pdimage wrote: On 15/3/09 09:21, Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net wrote: I have a CPU (Intel type) with a large heat sink that is firmly stuck to the processor. Any thought on getting the two separated. They should come apart somehow... the CPU is a ZIF and you can't get it back into the socket because of the overhang of the heat sink. Amanda I've removed quite a few glued heatsinks. Firstly I put it in the freezer for an hour or so then I work carefully around the edges of the seal with a thin blade or scalpel (oops another finger gone) until it pops off. If it refuses to budge I put it back in the freezer for another hour and try again - and so onalways works for me... I have the aforementioned heat sink and CPU apart. What would be a good thermal compound to reassemble the beast? I do have a dab of Arctic Silver from a former project. Think this would be okee dokee? The chip doesn't seem to have any exposed circuitry... 'cept for the Bazillion pins on the underside. :-) Amanda Remembering my first computer had a 40 pin CPU! Yikes! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
fans on G5 - off to the races!
I have a dual 2.0 GHz G5. On occasion, all the fans start running full speed. I know that this is a common problem with this particular model, but I've searched all the forums for a fix to no avail. My guess is that the CPU heat sinks are not seated right, maybe the goo is dried out, the thermal grease thread brought the possibility back to mind. At work, I had a server that was doing the same dance, and reseating the heatsinks on the CPU's fixed it. Does anyone know how the get into the processors on a dual 2.0 GHz G5? For some reason, Apple has apparently removed all the Tech Docs for this particular model from their website. Thanks, Stephen --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Why are aliases failing?
Why are aliases failing? I have all aliases in the dock. About a month ago, I noticed the windos player with a big question mark on it and it would not load windos player. Again about 2 weeks ago the TextEdit did the same thing. Today the DVD player has done it. What is going on? Sys G4, 10.4.11 nothing added or removed and nothing moved or changed. What a mystery? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: fans on G5 - off to the races!
I've got a dual 2.3 that occasionally goes full fan on. I use MenuMeters and such a full fan on condition is almost always accompanied by full 100% CPU usage on both CPUs. I click on the CPU monitor in the menu bar and select Open Activity Monitor which I sort by the CPU usage column descending. The offending process is always at the top in some sort of runaway mode. I highlight the process and quit it, and if that doesn't work, force quit it, and the fans always stop within just a few seconds. I haven't had this happen much recently, but I've drastically scaled back on using Firefox because it was most often the offending process. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Trouble with Bondi again.
PS. I also checked MacTracker, and it says the Rev. A G3 iMacs only accept 256Mb of ram... I was about to buy two 256 ones from someone on the LEM swap, but should I just get two 128's? I am pretty sure I have a Rev. A iMac, since on the motherboard it doesn't say the revision. This isn't correct, they can accept 512MB also, in PC66, PC100 or PC133 SoDimm. Per LEM (http://lowendmac.com/imacs/rev-b-imac-g3-233-mhz.html): RAM: 32 MB, possibly expandable to 768 MB using two DIMM sockets, uses same SDRAM SO-DIMM as PowerBook G3, top DIMM socket accepts 2 DIMM, bottom socket takes 1.5 DIMM. All tray-loading iMacs work with modules up to 128 MB. Field reports indicate that they will work with 256 MB and 512 MB modules as long as they are CL2 modules. With a 512 MB module and a low-profile 256 MB module, it's theoretically possible that these iMacs could support 768 MB of RAM. Be careful--not all RAM is the same. V Mabus --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
