Re: Best Browser for iBook G4
At 11:33 AM -0700 5/14/2009, Patrick Moore wrote: Safari is, for the most part, much faster than the Mozilla browsers (Firefox, Camino, etc). My Safari gets stuck whenever I try to just quit it, if its busy trying to complete some task ... being there are seemingly gobs of tasks to perform when surfing sites ... that's pretty much always. I also find it slower than Firefox. Don't really have time to try to debug it. I use a Mac because I need Word for my work (no, I can't use Open Office, tho' I wish I could) Try NeoOffice. It's a mac-specific version of OpenOffice. NeoOffice is working for me, too. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Browser for iBook G4
On May 15, 2009, at 3:55 AM, insightinmind wrote: My Safari gets stuck whenever I try to just quit it, Sounds abnormal. Are you using Safari Version 4 Public Beta (5528.17)? If not, install it: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/ It's faster and completely stable as far as I can tell. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Browser for iBook G4
On May 15, 2009, at 5:30 AM, Kris Tilford wrote: On May 15, 2009, at 3:55 AM, insightinmind wrote: My Safari gets stuck whenever I try to just quit it, Sounds abnormal. Are you using Safari Version 4 Public Beta (5528.17)? If not, install it: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/ It's faster and completely stable as far as I can tell. Don't mean to hijack this thread ... but, No ... I have Version 3.2.1 (4525.27.1) under Tiger 10.4.11. It seems to be quitting ok today ... I probably should not have responded, since I'm running off a Yikes! G4, not an iBook. Apologies. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Best Browser for iBook G4
At 10:37 AM -0400 5/15/2009, insightinmind wrote: Don't mean to hijack this thread ... but, No ... I have Version 3.2.1 (4525.27.1) under Tiger 10.4.11. It seems to be quitting ok today ... I probably should not have responded, since I'm running off a Yikes! G4, not an iBook. Apologies. Things that make Safari slow... Checking for fraudulent sites. Saving / managing massive bookmark lists. Really large cookie databases. Massive caches. Flash. Flash. Flash. Java applets that take forever for quit. Ok, actually, the above will slow any browser, not just Safari. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On May 12, 7:33 pm, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: I have a gigabit 450 dual, I installed a second hard drive on. The original drive, a 20 gig, has OSX 10.4 installed, while the second drive, a 60 gig, has OSX10.2, OS10.3, and OS9.2 installed on three partitions. The OSes were installed while the drive was in a B W. I can boot into the 10.2 and 10.3 partitions fine from OS 10.4, but 9.2 will not start. I attempted to reinstall OS 9 by booting from its install cd, but the computer can only see the 20 gig drive booting from cd -- the 60 gig drive is invisible. I have the second drive jumpered as a slave in the system. Any ideas how I can make the 60 gig visible from a cd boot so I can reinstall OS9? Maybe need to make a jumper change on the drives? Need help from the experts on this list. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On May 15, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Al Poulin wrote: On May 12, 7:33 pm, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: I have a gigabit 450 dual, I installed a second hard drive on. The original drive, a 20 gig, has OSX 10.4 installed, while the second drive, a 60 gig, has OSX10.2, OS10.3, and OS9.2 installed on three partitions. The OSes were installed while the drive was in a B W. I can boot into the 10.2 and 10.3 partitions fine from OS 10.4, but 9.2 will not start. I attempted to reinstall OS 9 by booting from its install cd, but the computer can only see the 20 gig drive booting from cd -- the 60 gig drive is invisible. I have the second drive jumpered as a slave in the system. Any ideas how I can make the 60 gig visible from a cd boot so I can reinstall OS9? Maybe need to make a jumper change on the drives? Need help from the experts on this list. Not an expert but ... Here's an article on the subject: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1815 Looks like you need a Master / Slave jumper setting configuration. Is the primary drive set as Master? Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On May 15, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Al Poulin wrote: Maybe need to make a jumper change on the drives? Need help from the experts on this list. The bottom drive, the orignal, should be Master. The top drive, the additional, should be Slave. Or, you could reverse the two with no negative effects. If there is only one drive, then it must be the one at the very end of the cable, and it must be Master. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On 15 May 2009, at 09:21:05 PDT, Al Poulin wrote: On May 12, 7:33 pm, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: I have a gigabit 450 dual, I installed a second hard drive on. The original drive, a 20 gig, has OSX 10.4 installed, while the second drive, a 60 gig, has OSX10.2, OS10.3, and OS9.2 installed on three partitions. The OSes were installed while the drive was in a B W. I can boot into the 10.2 and 10.3 partitions fine from OS 10.4, but 9.2 will not start. I attempted to reinstall OS 9 by booting from its install cd, but the computer can only see the 20 gig drive booting from cd -- the 60 gig drive is invisible. I have the second drive jumpered as a slave in the system. Any ideas how I can make the 60 gig visible from a cd boot so I can reinstall OS9? Maybe need to make a jumper change on the drives? Need help from the experts on this list. -- If the drives are both seen by the machine when booted into 10.4, then the drive must be properly jumpered. At first guess, I suspect that the 60 gig drive didn't have the OS9 Drivers written when first formatted. Thus, it can't bee seen when OS 9 is the booted OS. I suspect that you may have to reformat the drive in order to install the OS 9 drivers. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Anyone update to 10.5.7 yet?
On May 14, 3:19 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Steve R wrote: At 9:01 AM -0700 5/14/09, Bruce Johnson posted: 1st Gen Intel iMac, hung on the reboot, then rebooted a second time after I booted it in safe mode, but it's looking ok now. Weird. My neighbour updated the same machine last night via Software Update and experienced the exact same thing. I blamed it on him not listening to me when I tell him to use the Combo Updater ;-) My system is running happily now, though... -- Thanks to all early adopters for the interesting reading. I will take the Combo Updater, maybe a week or so from now. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On May 15, 12:36 pm, Ken Daggett kadagg...@verizon.net wrote: On 15 May 2009, at 09:21:05 PDT, Al Poulin wrote: On May 12, 7:33 pm, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: I have a gigabit 450 dual, I installed a second hard drive on. The original drive, a 20 gig, has OSX 10.4 installed, while the second drive, a 60 gig, has OSX10.2, OS10.3, and OS9.2 installed on three partitions. The OSes were installed while the drive was in a B W. -- If the drives are both seen by the machine when booted into 10.4, then the drive must be properly jumpered. At first guess, I suspect that the 60 gig drive didn't have the OS9 Drivers written when first formatted. Thus, it can't bee seen when OS 9 is the booted OS. I suspect that you may have to reformat the drive in order to install the OS 9 drivers. Assuming the OS 9.2 partition was working in the older BW machine, why would drivers be an issue now? Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Second drive problems?
On 15 May 2009, at 09:53:17 PDT, Al Poulin wrote: On May 15, 12:36 pm, Ken Daggett kadagg...@verizon.net wrote: On 15 May 2009, at 09:21:05 PDT, Al Poulin wrote: On May 12, 7:33 pm, PAR prieme...@msn.com wrote: I have a gigabit 450 dual, I installed a second hard drive on. The original drive, a 20 gig, has OSX 10.4 installed, while the second drive, a 60 gig, has OSX10.2, OS10.3, and OS9.2 installed on three partitions. The OSes were installed while the drive was in a B W. -- If the drives are both seen by the machine when booted into 10.4, then the drive must be properly jumpered. At first guess, I suspect that the 60 gig drive didn't have the OS9 Drivers written when first formatted. Thus, it can't bee seen when OS 9 is the booted OS. I suspect that you may have to reformat the drive in order to install the OS 9 drivers. Assuming the OS 9.2 partition was working in the older BW machine, why would drivers be an issue now? - Well, was it? You can write the os to the drive using any copy method. Doesn't make it bootable. Guess that is a question that needs an answer. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Native resolution of LCD monitors?
At long last, I got a better card than the original that came with my QS 933, clearing the way for me to get a bigger screen. But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. There seems no Mac software that tells this? I have a feeling that one of my screens is 1600 by 1080 but this is not quite one of the possibilities showing up from the new card. Close is 1600 by 1024, sure looks fine but it would be nice to be exactly right. I must say, the colours look so much better with this new card with its little fan! And being a true Mac card, I might even have a go at using the sleep function sometime. I run two monitors off this card: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro: Chipset Model: ATY,R350 Type:Display Bus: AGP Slot:SLOT-1 VRAM (Total):128 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x4e48 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision:113-A07525-130 Displays: DELL SP1908FP: Resolution: 1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image: Supported Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported VA2026w: Resolution: 1600 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image: Supported Main Display:Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Supported Anyone know if there is a technique to discover *native res* of the monitors. Do the monitors not supply the info somehow to the OS? Perhaps I might need to get software from the card manufacturer's website. I recall the twin turbo software from that old chestnut card on my 7300, able to deliver different resolutions... -- dorayme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
On May 15, 2009, at 9:35 PM, dorayme wrote: But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. There seems no Mac software that tells this? On a modern card connected to a modern monitor, the software reads the monitor which returns its various resolutions and maximum frequencies. These resolutions and frequencies are presented as options in the Displays control panel. If a particular resolution or a particular frequency is not shown, it is not supported. Usually, you are given nearly all of the usual suspect resolutions, but not necessarily all of the frequencies. On my present monitor, a 23 LCD, I am given up to 1920 x 1200, bit this resolution is a tad unstable on the right side, so I back down to 1680 x 1050, and at 1680 x 1050 I am given the frequency options of 56, 59 and 60 Hz. I selected 60 Hz. The corresponding About This Mac ... data is: ATY,Rage128Pro: Chipset Model: ATY,Rage128Pro Type:Display Bus: AGP Slot:SLOT-1 VRAM (Total):16 MB Vendor: ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x5046 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision:113-72701-130 Displays: MB24W: Resolution: 1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image: Not Supported Main Display:Yes Mirror: Off Online: Yes Quartz Extreme: Not Supported Bottom line: there are a number of native resolutions, and within each, there are a number of native frequencies. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Native resolution of LCD monitors?
dorayme wrote: At long last, I got a better card than the original that came with my QS 933, clearing the way for me to get a bigger screen. But one thing that is puzzling is how to find out the native resolution of my screens without digging out the documentation. There seems no Mac software that tells this? I have a feeling that one of my screens is 1600 by 1080 but this is not quite one of the possibilities showing up from the new card. Close is 1600 by 1024, sure looks fine but it would be nice to be exactly right. I must say, the colours look so much better with this new card with its little fan! And being a true Mac card, I might even have a go at using the sleep function sometime. I run two monitors off this card: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro: Chipset Model: ATY,R350 Type: Display Bus: AGP Slot: SLOT-1 VRAM (Total): 128 MB Vendor:ATI (0x1002) Device ID: 0x4e48 Revision ID: 0x ROM Revision: 113-A07525-130 Displays: DELL SP1908FP: Resolution:1280 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image:Supported Mirror:Off Online:Yes Quartz Extreme:Supported VA2026w: Resolution:1600 x 1024 @ 60 Hz Depth: 32-bit Color Core Image:Supported Main Display: Yes Mirror:Off Online:Yes Quartz Extreme:Supported Anyone know if there is a technique to discover *native res* of the monitors. Do the monitors not supply the info somehow to the OS? Perhaps I might need to get software from the card manufacturer's website. I recall the twin turbo software from that old chestnut card on my 7300, able to deliver different resolutions... Without check the manf data you'll never really know if the card is outputing the maximum resolution of the display. A simple google search of the model number yielded a screen resolution of 1680 x 1050. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
