Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?

[mkehoe]

Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on
my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning,
or should I use CCC?  I have 10.4.11 OS (Tiger) on my Power Mac G4.

On Jul 27, 3:09 pm, McGrude mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mkehoemirake...@gmail.com wrote:

  Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G
  (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867?  I would like to
  create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G.  Would it work to clone
  the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case, then
  take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using
  this drive?

 Take a look at Carbon Copy Cloner.   If it works correctly you should
 be able to easily make the copy and swap the drives.

 http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html
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Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?

[Bill Connelly]

On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:45 AM, mkehoe wrote:


 Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on
 my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning,
 or should I use CCC?  I have 10.4.11 OS (Tiger) on my Power Mac G4.

 On Jul 27, 3:09 pm, McGrude mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:42 PM, mkehoemirake...@gmail.com wrote:

 Any suggestions on how to create a clone of the original 60G
 (Macintosh HD) start-up drive in my G4 MDD dual 867?  I would like  
 to
 create a clone on a larger drive, maybe 750G.  Would it work to  
 clone
 the 60G to an 750 internal drive temporarily enclosed in a case,  
 then
 take out the 60G, replace it with the 750G clone, and boot up using
 this drive?

 Take a look at Carbon Copy Cloner.   If it works correctly you should
 be able to easily make the copy and swap the drives.

 http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html

I've successfully used CCC 3.2.1 many times under Tiger and Leopard.

I would suggest not using the Block Level Copy, but use the File Level  
one.

If you Block Level Copy a 60GB to a 750GB, the 750GB will look like a  
60GB hard drive. Don't know why this is, or where the remaining space  
goes, but a File Level copy ends up with the 750GB drive with the  
60GB's contents. I assume you only have one partition on the 60GB one?

I think I have the terminology correct ... read up on it ... the CCC  
documentation is pretty good.

If you have more than one partition on the 60GB Source, I would  
suggest a file level copy of each partition, to larger partitions on  
the 750GB one, since you're expanding. I went from a 500GB one to a  
750GB. And later from the 500GB to a 1TB SATA, and have 5 partitions  
on the Source and Targets: OS X Leopard, OS X Tiger, Classic 9.2.2,  
Apps, Docs. All successfully being used now.

Good luck. Experiment. As long as you don't erase the 60GB Source  
drive, you can always try again, zeroing out the Target with Disk  
Utility.

Make sure you don't have Ignore Ownership on this volume checked on  
any of the Source partitions prior to cloning ... it will ignore the  
Ownership and Permissions and not copy them to the Target. You see  
this at the bottom of the Get Info window on a partition, I think  
its only on partitions (volumes) that are non-OS X ones.

I think this is correct ... please read the documentation ... my  
memory isn't 100%.

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Mail

[Norman Rowe]

Recently the apple mail program has been acting strange. It will self  
start after the daily utilities are run and I'm not able to get new  
mail sometimes.
Mac G4 OS 10.5.7 2 megs of ram
Did an erase and install of system and used the combo updater. Is  
there something wrong with this version of Mail?

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Re: Airport extreme, a G4 and an HP all-in-one

[Al Poulin]

On Jul 27, 3:26 am, Meghrouni Vince foomc...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 Stuff can print from the Macbook via the network I set up, beamed to  
 the router, sent to the HP, etc., it's all good.  After a lot of trial  
 and error fussing, stuff will print from the G4.  But when I bring up  
 the scan utility in the G4, I get an error message the scanner can't  
 be found.

 Let the games begin.

Vince:

This game may be no fun.   I have the vague recollection that scanner
drivers are not supported via the AirPort Extreme.  Apple makes no
claim that AirPort Extreme supports scanners.  You'd have to conclude
that a scanner function in an all-in-one printer is also not
supported.  In Apple's Designing AirPort Networks Using AirPort
Utility Mac OS X v10.5 + Windows which you can download and search in
Preview, there is no mention of a scanning function.  Also, a search a
Google search on airport extreme and scanner gets this:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1015755
A similar search in Apple's support pages gets no mention of scanner
in the first 70 hits or so.

Al Poulin
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Re: Airport Extreme, G4, HP AIO

[Al Poulin]

On Jul 27, 1:10 pm, Meghrouni Vince foomc...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 After setup as per above, printer works but G4 no longer can detect  
 scanner.

Vince:
See my answer to your other thread in this list.

Al Poulin
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Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?

[Al Poulin]

On Jul 28, 4:45 am, mkehoe mirake...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for all the responses .. I have Prosoft Data Backup software on
 my computer ... is this comparable to Carbon Copy Cloner for cloning,

No, but a comparable product is SuperDuper which you buy.  CCC is
donation ware, and I was very happy to send in the bucks comparable to
the cost of SuperDuper.

Al Poulin
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Re: Best way to clone a hard drive to use as a start-up drive?

[Al Poulin]

On Jul 28, 6:19 am, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.net wrote:

 I would suggest not using the Block Level Copy, but use the File Level  
 one.

I agree.

 If you Block Level Copy a 60GB to a 750GB, the 750GB will look like a  
 60GB hard drive.

So much so, that it will copy any bad blocks that are on the old
drive, which you do not want to do.

 I think I have the terminology correct ... read up on it ... the CCC  
 documentation is pretty good.

You invoke File Level by selecting Incremental Backup.  For this drill
there is no need for the options to Delete items that don't exist on
the source and Archive modified and deleted items.  But you may
want to use these options later if you decide to continue using CCC
for your backups instead of your Prosoft.

Al Poulin
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Re: Mail

[Ricardo Sevilla]

Bill Connelly wrote:
 On Jul 28, 2009, at 3:03 AM, Norman Rowe wrote:

   
 Recently the apple mail program has been acting strange. It will self
 start after the daily utilities are run and I'm not able to get new
 mail sometimes.
 Mac G4 OS 10.5.7 2 megs of ram
 Did an erase and install of system and used the combo updater. Is
 there something wrong with this version of Mail?
 

 I think so. Others have complained, and I have had issues with it as  
 well. Don't know what else to say ...


   
i have yet to use mail since I purchased my G4. I have always used 
Thunderchicken(Thunderbird). It has yet to give me any problems. With 
the exception of a small issue, it has been great to me!!!


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will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?

[amorielljason]

My dual 2.5 G5 with the CPU error that wouldn't boot (possibly due to bad capacitor acc. to earlier respnses) is still dead. The local tech cloned its boot drive onto an external hard drive for me so that I could use it to boot our Mac Mini. He said he wasn't sure if it would work as the boot drive for an Intel Mac. When I select it as the boot drive, the keyboard won't work when it finally finishes booting. Does anyone know if an Intel Mac can be booted from a PPC boot drive? 

I wouldn't bother; however, the mail, calendar, and address book files don't seem to be readily accessible. I drag and dropped the files that were indicated in Apple's support pages and other places on the web as the appropriate datafiles from the clone drive to the Mini, but they still don't seem to come up with the data, so this is plan b.

Thanks.
Jason

Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?

[McGrude]

 If if did, then that would imply that the program binaries used by
 both the PPC  Intel Macs was being stored on your PPC hard drive. IMO
 that would be a lot of wasted space! (Lord knows I don't want any OS X
 PPC binaries on my Intel MacBook's hard drive.)

They're all universal binaries...

For example : /bin/sh

[rogue] [hogsett] [/bin]
 -- file sh
sh: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
sh (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386
sh (for architecture ppc7400):  Mach-O executable ppc
[rogue] [hogsett] [/bin]
 -- uname -a
Darwin rogue.csl.sri.com 9.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.7.0: Tue Mar 31
22:52:17 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.12.14~1/RELEASE_I386 i386
[rogue] [hogsett] [/bin]


And /Applications/Mail.app


[rogue] [hogsett] [/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS]
 -- pwd
/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS
[rogue] [hogsett] [/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS]
 -- file Mail
Mail: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
Mail (for architecture i386):   Mach-O executable i386
Mail (for architecture ppc7400):Mach-O executable ppc
[rogue] [hogsett] [/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS]

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Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?

[McGrude]

 They're all universal binaries...

Another data point... my 1.8 G5 single...

[Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin]
 -- file sh
sh: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
sh (for architecture i386): Mach-O executable i386
sh (for architecture ppc7400):  Mach-O executable ppc
[Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin]
 -- file /mach_kernel
/mach_kernel: Mach-O universal binary with 2 architectures
/mach_kernel (for architecture i386):   Mach-O executable i386
/mach_kernel (for architecture ppc):Mach-O executable ppc
[Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin]
 -- file /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail
/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail: Mach-O universal binary
with 2 architectures
/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail (for architecture
i386):  Mach-O executable i386
/Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail (for architecture
ppc7400):   Mach-O executable ppc
[Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin]
 -- uname -a
Darwin Plutonium.local 9.7.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.7.0: Tue Mar 31
22:54:29 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1228.12.14~1/RELEASE_PPC Power Macintosh
[Plutonium] [hogsett] [/bin]

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AL Pro KB USB Port Use ... Pulsing Cursor

[Bill Connelly]

Are there pros and cons to using the extra USB port on a AL Pro KB?

I tried using my Yamaha motif es8 digital piano keyboard through the  
USB port for USB/MIDI ... it seemed to work.

But, at a later time it got so my OS X wouldn't startup ... and it  
would get stuck after loading the drivers for my audio card, and just  
be a blue screen with a cursor arrow slowly pulsing on and off.

Didn't I read something in our G3-G5 about a pulsing On/Off cursor?

I haven't traced the log yet (its gone) ... I chose to clone back a  
backup copy of my Leopard 10.5.7 onto the partition that went bad ...  
or got stuck around USB issues ... or got confused around backing up  
to an external FW still attached, but off ... whatever. I could only  
boot onto the Install DVD then onto the Firewire external containing  
the backup.

Disk Utility didn't show any errors on the OS X partition.

Any ideas off the cuff without seeing a log?

Kudos for CCC 3.2.1 ...



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Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?

[McGrude]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM, iJohnzjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yet another reason to move to Snow Leopard this fall ...

No need to wait.   Download monolingual...

... but read the FAQ first re: PPC, Rosetta and the frameworks...


http://monolingual.sourceforge.net/faq.php

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Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?

[iJohn]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:38 PM, McGrudemcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:32 PM, iJohnzjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Yet another reason to move to Snow Leopard this fall ...

 No need to wait.   Download monolingual...

Thanks for the suggestion, but I'll wait. I'm still too new to the Mac
 to OS X and thus (obviously) too naive about the basics. I'm not
particularly squeezed for space at the moment so I'll stay with what
Apple has blessed rather than go out on a limb.

I'm just surprised that the universal binaries were used for OS X. It
appears that during the migration to the Intel Macs back circa 2006
that Apple essentially bloated up OS X by including binaries for
both CPUs. Now with the advent of Snow Leopard only the Intel binaries
will be installed and ... surprise!! ... the size of OS X suddenly
shrinks. Such technical genius!

The situation reminds me of those wonderful department store jewelry
sales offering you 30% off! What is not mentioned is that they
increased the list price by 80% before putting it on sale. Such a
deal! ;-)

Anyway  to return to the original poster's question, why wouldn't
his PPC partition boot on his mini? The first question which comes to
my mind is if the OS used on his PPC also used the universal binaries.
I assume that if it's anything earlier than the 10.4.4 (Intel) update
to Tiger that there's no way that it could work on an Intel Mac Mini.

-irrational john


-irrational john

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Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?

[amorielljason]

 

 Macmini2,1
  Processor Name:	Intel Core 2 Duo
  Processor Speed:	2 GHz
  Number Of Processors:	1
  Total Number Of Cores:	2
  L2 Cache:	4 MB
  Memory:	3 GBI'll try the archive and install migration this weekend since the brute force drag and drop wasn't successful.> 
> What flavor of Mac Mini do you have? And what version of OS X is it using?
> 
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Re: Which iMac is best, of the G5 series?

[Mullin9]

On Jul 27, 9:03 pm, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Jul 27, 2009, at 8:50 PM, Mullin9 wrote:



  I found the original iMac G5,
  the iMac G5 ambient light sensor,
  and the iMac G5 isight,
  which is the best, most likely to hold up, ?

 Best is subjective, but the most likely to hold up is the iMac G5  
 iSight, which benefitted from about 2 years of field/beta testing by  
 iMac G5 buyers. Earlier iMac G5 models were plagued by power supply,  
 bad capacitor, and heat problems, not to mention video issues  
 including the LCD itself. Personally, I'll never own another iMac G5,  
 but I have nothing  but praise for the Intel iMacs (white) and  
 especially the aluminum iMacs. Yep, I've got a mid-2007 first-gen 20  
 aluminum iMac.


Thank you for the advice, the iSight may be thinner shelled, but the
cooling has been enhanced, better Powersupply,
better display not as affected by heat,
 Jim Scott
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Re: will a PPC cloned boot drive work as the boot drive for an Intel?

[amorielljason]

 

The PPC G5 was running 10.5 (.2 I believe).  I tried again.  It will boot from the cloned G5 drive on the external hard drive, but the mouse still fails to work after boot-up, regardless of which USB port I try. 

 -- Original message from John Martz zjo...@gmail.com>: --


> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:16 PM,  wrote:
> >  10.5.7 for the OS
> 
> I assume that's what the mini is using ... how about the PPC G5 whose
> recovered install drive you were trying to boot from? What OS was it
> using? (Just wondering if that external drive contained the version of
> Tiger (or later) which supports Intel or an earlier Mac OS.
> 
> -irrational john
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Re: Any hope for my G5 tower?

[AHarmon]

Never leave a computer off of a surge protector for ANY reason.
Period.

Never turn off a surge protector - that just obviates the whole point
- screw the energy savings

Try rebooting and resetting the PRAM:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1379

Go to eBay, check out searches like this;
http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40_trksid=p3907.m38.l1313_nkw=powermac+g5+power+supply_sacat=See-All-Categories

And remember what lessons you'll take from all this...
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