Re: Open Office vs. NeoOffice
Hello OpenOffice.org lovers! While OpenOffice.org 3.0+ is now running native on Mac OS X (finally using Aqua instead of X11) it will definitely leave PPC behind. This is because Apple itself is leaving PPC behind. That is just the way things go. In the Windows world it is the same with Microsoft leaving DOS-based Windows versions behind (Windows 95-Me). I had a few friends complaining that nowerdays not one newer program is running on their Windows 98SE - the best Windows as one of them always claimed. OpenOffice is still being compiled for PowerPC. Shouldn't be a problem for any developer to build such a package for PPC users, even if Sun (or Oracle?) ever decided not to release an official PPC build. (One of the greated advantages of open source!!!) But _here_ is where the leaving behind starts: http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/project/pdfimport Such a great feature - being able to import a PDF into OpenOffice Draw and changing a typo or modifying a sentence or a picture or whatever. It's closed source, so there won't be a PPC port for that. Sun released it for x86 only. Sorry, G3/G4/G5 users. We are definitely being left behind... Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- Original message -- Subject: Re: Open Office vs. NeoOffice Date:Sonntag, 30. August 2009N From:Nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On 8/29/09 12:53 PM, diane wrote: Bruce rocks Like a rock band he rocks! I'm downloading now myself, but based on Diane's experience, I'd pitch in and say, yes, Bruce is a rocking, rocking rocker. Thanks Bruce, I thought OO left us PPC behind until now. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Hi! -- Original message -- Subject: Re: OSX10.4 on G3 Date:Sonntag, 30. August 2009N From:Arnel Tuazon a.tua...@gmail.com To: G-List g3-5-list@googlegroups.com With certain upgrades (RAM, graphics card, even overclocking) a G3 can run Tiger very well. The question is what you acutally need to _install_ Tiger. Running it well is a completely different question. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 30, 2009, at 4:43 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The question is what you actually need to install Tiger. Officially: To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs: • A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor • Built-in FireWire • At least 256 MB of RAM • DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation • At least 3 GB of free disk space Unofficially, any G3 with or without Firewire, and any older PPC Mac upgraded to a G3 or G4 CPU. XPostFacto can help with installation of Tiger onto unsupported Macs. In my experience any older Mac can benefit from Tiger if it has sufficient RAM and HD space. A Radeon graphics card helps a lot too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 HD Issue
On Aug 29, 4:13 pm, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I can get my G4 Quicksilve (OS X 10..11, 800 MHz, 1.5GB RAM) to boot from the new HD but if the old HD is not present it simply will NOT boot. I tried with another HD set as Slave and had no luck. I tried it with JUST the new HD and no luck. Put the old one back in as Slave and it boots fine. I Zapped the PRAM, twice (once with the original HD and once after I removed it, in an attempt to get it to boot with another HD in the Slave position). What shall I try next? PS...the original HD is now deciding to not show as having any HD issues when I look with Disk Utility but I just want to be careful. Steve, I sent you a very long private e-mail with everything you would need to know to get your drives set up and running the way you want. Did get it? If so, that e-mail should have laid it all out for you. I included the manufacturer's support pages showing the jumper configuration for all Seagate, Western Digital and Hitachi/IBM hard drives. I also supplied a link to a wikipedia article re ATA specifications. I also provided a narrative to use as a guide to install your drives. If you didn't get my e-mail, you should have already figured out what to do from the advice given by others in this thread. Western Digital drives have four major jumper settings; i.e., Single, Dual Master (Master w/Slave present), Dual Slave (Master w/o Slave present), and Cable select. As a general rule, if you have two HDDs in a system and both are WD, then either can be Master w/Slave and the other Slave. If you have two HDDs and one is a WD, and the other is any other brand HDD, then the WD needs to be jumpered as Master w/ Slave, and the other HDD jumpered as Slave. If you only have one HDD in your system, and it is a WD, then it must be jumpered as Master/ Single. WD HDDs in two drive systems which utilize Cable Select must have the WD (if only one drive is a WD), at the end connector of the IDE cable, with the other non-WD HDD set as Cable Select on the middle connector of the IDE cable. If both drives are WD, either may be Master w/Slave, and the other Slave, with the drives placed on the appropriate connector; i.e., Master w/Slave at the end connector, and Slave at he middle connector. If two WD drives are in the system, and you can to utilize Cable Select, either WD drive can be placed on either connector, but the default start-up drive will be the Cable Select drive on the end connector of the IDE cable. You can change the start-up drive from the Start-up Drive preference pane in System Preferences no matter what configuration your drives are in; Master/ Slave, or Cable Select. Here is a link to jumper charts: http://tinyurl.com/nkhguy Western Digital http://tinyurl.com/6j9m35 Seagate and Maxtor http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/jumpers.htm Hitachi and IBM http://tinyurl.com/ma6ap2 Samsung And everything you always wanted to know about PATA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment You should check your cable in a system with two working EIDE drives to verify the cable is good. Also, make sure you are utilizing an 80- wire/40-pin cable. Try a new 80-wire/40-pin IDE cable. Make sure you have not set the capacity limiter jumper on the drives. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 HD Issue
On Aug 29, 4:13 pm, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I can get my G4 Quicksilve (OS X 10..11, 800 MHz, 1.5GB RAM) to boot from the new HD but if the old HD is not present it simply will NOT boot. I tried with another HD set as Slave and had no luck. I tried it with JUST the new HD and no luck. Put the old one back in as Slave and it boots fine. I Zapped the PRAM, twice (once with the original HD and once after I removed it, in an attempt to get it to boot with another HD in the Slave position). What shall I try next? PS...the original HD is now deciding to not show as having any HD issues when I look with Disk Utility but I just want to be careful. You say the new HDD, but is it new? If it previously was installed in a Windows PC, you may have to erase the drive with the Security Option to Zero the drive enabled to remove all remnants of the MBR structure left over from the use as a drive under Windows OS. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 HD Issue
On Aug 29, 4:13 pm, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I can get my G4 Quicksilve (OS X 10..11, 800 MHz, 1.5GB RAM) to boot from the new HD but if the old HD is not present it simply will NOT boot. I tried with another HD set as Slave and had no luck. I tried it with JUST the new HD and no luck. Put the old one back in as Slave and it boots fine. I Zapped the PRAM, twice (once with the original HD and once after I removed it, in an attempt to get it to boot with another HD in the Slave position). What shall I try next? PS...the original HD is now deciding to not show as having any HD issues when I look with Disk Utility but I just want to be careful. Steve, I sent you a very long private e-mail with everything you would need to know to get your drives set up and running the way you want. Did you get it? If so, that e-mail should have laid it all out for you. I included the manufacturer's support pages showing the jumper configuration for all Seagate, Western Digital and Hitachi/IBM hard drives. I also supplied a link to a wikipedia article re ATA specifications. I also provided a narrative to use as a guide to install your drives. If you didn't get my e-mail, you should have already figured out what to do from the advice given by others in this thread. Western Digital drives have four major jumper settings; i.e., Single (Master w/o Slave present), Dual Master (Master w/Slave present), Dual Slave , and Cable select. As a general rule, if you have two HDDs in a system and both are WD, then either can be Master w/Slave and the other Slave. If you have two HDDs and one is a WD, and the other is any other brand HDD, then the WD needs to be jumpered as Master w/ Slave, and the other HDD jumpered as Slave. If you only have one HDD in your system, and it is a WD, then it must be jumpered as Master/ Single. WD HDDs in two drive systems which utilize Cable Select must have the WD (if only one drive is a WD), at the end connector of the IDE cable, with the other non-WD HDD set as Cable Select on the middle connector of the IDE cable. If both drives are WD, either may be Master w/Slave, and the other Slave, with the drives placed on the appropriate connector; i.e., Master w/Slave at the end connector, and Slave at he middle connector. If two WD drives are in the system, and you can to utilize Cable Select, either WD drive can be placed on either connector, but the default start-up drive will be the Cable Select drive on the end connector of the IDE cable. You can change the start-up drive from the Start-up Drive preference pane in System Preferences no matter what configuration your drives are in; Master/ Slave, or Cable Select. Here is a link to jumper charts: http://tinyurl.com/nkhguy Western Digital http://tinyurl.com/6j9m35 Seagate and Maxtor http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/jumpers.htm Hitachi/IBM http://tinyurl.com/ma6ap2 Samsung And everything you always wanted to know about PATA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Technology_Attachment You should check your cable in a system with two working EIDE drives to verify the cable is good. Also, make sure you are utilizing an 80- wire/40-pin cable. Try a new 80-wire/40-pin IDE cable. Make sure you have not set the capacity limiter jumper on the drives. Good luck! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: G4 HD Issue
On Aug 29, 4:13 pm, Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I can get my G4 Quicksilve (OS X 10..11, 800 MHz, 1.5GB RAM) to boot from the new HD but if the old HD is not present it simply will NOT boot. I tried with another HD set as Slave and had no luck. I tried it with JUST the new HD and no luck. Put the old one back in as Slave and it boots fine. I Zapped the PRAM, twice (once with the original HD and once after I removed it, in an attempt to get it to boot with another HD in the Slave position). What shall I try next? PS...the original HD is now deciding to not show as having any HD issues when I look with Disk Utility but I just want to be careful. Here are the jumper settings for your specific main drives: http://tinyurl.com/nmlrjr Jumper settings for your WD http://tinyurl.com/lrq3bj Troubleshooting your WD http://tinyurl.com/6vwcu Jumper settings for your IBM --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
There must not be a FireWire (why should it be ?) And a borrowed external USB DVD drive will do - if the Mac has the other features. And all of this is possible without XPostFacto. A large amount of RAM is always recommended. But be careful about large disks with these machines. I transferred an internal drive from a G4 (the Matshita DVD RAM burner) to the G3/350 bw, took the 'Tiger' DVD and installed it with a few clicks - no problems. Not the fastest system for this computer, I have to mention. Lars On Aug 30, 2009, at 4:43 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The question is what you actually need to install Tiger. Officially: To use Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, your Macintosh needs: • A PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor • Built-in FireWire • At least 256 MB of RAM • DVD drive (DVD-ROM), Combo (CD-RW/DVD-ROM) or SuperDrive (DVD-R) for installation • At least 3 GB of free disk space Unofficially, any G3 with or without Firewire, and any older PPC Mac upgraded to a G3 or G4 CPU. XPostFacto can help with installation of Tiger onto unsupported Macs. In my experience any older Mac can benefit from Tiger if it has sufficient RAM and HD space. A Radeon graphics card helps a lot too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
MacBook Pro
My daughter has a 4 year old MacBook Pro that she tells me is starting to run noticeably slower. She has plenty of HD space and RAM and a G4 processor. What can she do to revive her old Mac? Interestingly, her Mac will not boot from my DiskWarrior CD. I am using version 3.0.3. Any suggestions? Thanks, Larry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. I started Tiger on a BW with 128 MB ram, but by no stretch of the imagination could you call it running. Bleah! Amanda --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacBook Pro
At 8:54 AM -0400 8/30/2009, Lawrence David Eden wrote: 4 year old MacBook Pro starting to run noticeably slower. plenty of HD space and RAM and a G4 processor. MacBook Pro has an intel Core Duo or Core 2 Duo processor. Perhaps you mean she has a PowerBook G4? What can she do to revive her old Mac? Interestingly, her Mac will not boot from my DiskWarrior CD. I am using version 3.0.3. Any suggestions? Use a tool such as OnyX to run the three system maintenance tasks, clear caches, etc. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office vs. NeoOffice
On Aug 30, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Such a great feature - being able to import a PDF into OpenOffice Draw and changing a typo or modifying a sentence or a picture or whatever. It's closed source, so there won't be a PPC port for that. Sun released it for x86 only. That page explicitly lists the license as 'Open Source' and has a link to the source code. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Open Office vs. NeoOffice
On Aug 30, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Mac User #330250 wrote: Oups. Your right. So there might be a chance to find a PowerPC port at last. Yeah, but looking over the list of what it doesn't do, and reading through the comments it seems pretty alpha-ish in nature. This s somethig that's always driven me nuts...PDF is an open standard, OSX uses it as a system file type, so WHY doesn't TextEdit or Preview allow editing of PDF's? You can cut and paste out of them, so clearly the content is available to the system. Why is it that no one has a cheap PDF editor? -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: OSX10.4 on G3 Date:Sonntag, 30. August 2009N From:Amanda Ward amanda.w...@comcast.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. I started Tiger on a BW with 128 MB ram, but by no stretch of the imagination could you call it running. Bleah! How does Panther or even Jaguar run on your BW? Maybe there is a way to deactivate some background tasks or even some system daemons. I'm not an expert, but I once had Windows XP running on a machine that was below the minimum requirements concerning RAM. I had some Windows services deactivated which gave the system start a noticable boost. It was quite fast for such an old machine (AMD K6-3 CPU with 64 MB RAM). Only, after the start 64 MB RAM were used up and 1-2 MB were swapped to the HDD already. With no free RAM left launching even a simple program took ages... Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Safari 3.0.4
Why does this browser seem to bring about the Spinning Beach ball when I leave it open all night? I browse the same pages as I did on the BW G3 (Smurf) and I don't recall seeing this happening back then. Also, a different question How do I stop this machine from moving all my windows into little screens when the mouse moves to a corner? -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
Clarke He said early model... I would assume (knowing the saying) that he means tray loader or maybe pre firewire. The iMac has built in FireWire, USB.350 Mhz. The CD is a Slot Loaderno tray. More info on model would help us give u an definitive answer. Hope I have provided the info you need --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacBook Pro
Senior Moment My daughter has a Titanium PowerBook G4. At 8:54 AM -0400 8/30/2009, Lawrence David Eden wrote: 4 year old MacBook Pro starting to run noticeably slower. plenty of HD space and RAM and a G4 processor. MacBook Pro has an intel Core Duo or Core 2 Duo processor. Perhaps you mean she has a PowerBook G4? What can she do to revive her old Mac? Interestingly, her Mac will not boot from my DiskWarrior CD. I am using version 3.0.3. Any suggestions? Use a tool such as OnyX to run the three system maintenance tasks, clear caches, etc. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 3.0.4
On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Also, a different question How do I stop this machine from moving all my windows into little screens when the mouse moves to a corner? System Preferences Expose and Spaces. (this is where it is in 10.5, istr it's the same in 10.4) -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 3.0.4
On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Why does this browser seem to bring about the Spinning Beach ball when I leave it open all night? More than likely it's flash crud, though 3.0 was also prone to memory leaks. Can't you update it? Not sure what OS/Computer you're using here. Version 4 is a lot better than version 3, and with version 4 you can run click to flash http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ I can[t recall if it worked with 3.0 or not. It's made my life vastly better, no more SPOD's. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 3.0.4
hi,my Power Mac G5 shuts down all the time and the error is kernel panic code,I called apple and they said it was corupt software,but that did not fix the problem,does anyone know what I can do I need help,a friend said it could be memory leeks,could that be right,thank you jimmy - Original Message - From: Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:13 PM Subject: Re: Safari 3.0.4 On Aug 30, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Stephen Conrad wrote: Why does this browser seem to bring about the Spinning Beach ball when I leave it open all night? More than likely it's flash crud, though 3.0 was also prone to memory leaks. Can't you update it? Not sure what OS/Computer you're using here. Version 4 is a lot better than version 3, and with version 4 you can run click to flash http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ I can[t recall if it worked with 3.0 or not. It's made my life vastly better, no more SPOD's. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.71/2335 - Release Date: 08/30/09 06:36:00 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
At 5:54 PM +0200 8/30/2009, Mac User #330250 wrote: On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:42 PM, Dan wrote: At 5:47 PM -0700 8/25/2009, Mullin9 wrote: On Aug 25, 2:34 pm, steveoa steve.oak...@phonecoop.coop wrote: Hi, I'm trying to load 10.4 onto my G3 slot loader- 400Hz, 512 ram, The problem is the lack of RAM, 512 MB is just barely minimum, I'll go for 1GB RAM for a useable Tiger 10.4 just put in another 512 RAM, and your OS will Install, It should. That's just not correct. 512 MB RAM is MORE MORE MORE than enough. Tiger runs just fine with 256 MB. It purrs with 384 MB. The rest is gravy, per your particular app mix. I started Tiger on a BW with 128 MB ram, but by no stretch of the imagination could you call it running. Bleah! How does Panther or even Jaguar run on your BW? Panther and Jaguar are *slower* than Tiger. Maybe there is a way to deactivate some background tasks or even some system daemons. Yes, as has been covered in many threads... Disable spotlight indexing and kill Dashboard. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Safari 3.0.4
At 12:55 PM -0500 8/30/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Dandantear...@gmail.com wrote: At 11:47 AM -0500 8/30/2009, Stephen Conrad wrote: You mean Safari 3 or Safari 4? I had Safari 3.0.4 an I have now upgraded to 3.2.3 I'd need 10.5.6 (IIC) to install Safari v4 Safari 4 runs just fine on Tiger, and is much faster than Safari 3. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: OSX10.4 on G3
On 8/30/09 8:00 PM, Dan wrote: There are some nice widgets available. But I find the memory and lack of versatility to be a killer. So I try to find small applications that will do the same jobs Dan, since you've got the smart ones of us off Dashboard, etc, would you care to share some of these more efficient small apps that you use? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
