Re: firefox/t-bird/apple menu bar issue issues

[Kris Tilford]

On Sep 21, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Nesta Nesta wrote:

> still can't find the Minefield build. Any ideas...?




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Re: firefox/t-bird/apple menu bar issue issues

[Nesta Nesta]

Dan, I went hunting but still can't find the Minefield build. Any ideas...?

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Dan  wrote:

>
> At 12:41 PM -0500 9/16/2009, Charles Lenington wrote:
> >Anyone do the firefox/(and maybe t-bird) updates today?
>
> I did it 9/15.  Ran the stock FF for a bit then switched to rpm's
> optimized build.  Then went back to Minefield.
>
> >I lost control of Apple menu bar in FF/T-bird. If I clicked on item and
> >moved cursor down the menu closed. Clicking the 3 colored window buttons
> >didn't work either.
> >
> >So far the fix is to pull cat 5 and
> >shutdown,
> >wait a couple minutes
> >then restart.
> >
> >Change computer/user password.
> >reboot
> >replug cat 5.
>
> Very strange.  You have any odd plug-ins or inputmanagers?
>
> >Well even more stranger.   Firefox came up with a update notice for
> >3.5.3 (from 3.5.2 although I was already at 3.5.3). ran install
> >everything looks ok so far.  Must of been a build change - I didn't
> >notice the build number.
>
> Maybe a corrupted update.  Hate it when that happens.  Had it happen
> all too often; I really hate auto-updating apps.
>
> - Dan.
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> - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth.
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> >
>


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Re: Video card glitchyness

[Len Gerstel]

On Sep 21, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Sam Macomber wrote:

>
> Speaking of ATi cards.
>
> I've got a G5 version Radeon Pro 9600 64MB card that has the pins
> taped to work in my Quicksilver 733.   It works,  but usually it does
> not want to work on startup, screen does not turn on.  but if I hit
> the reset a few seconds after the ethernet links up(router on my desk)
> it works.It'll work fine after that, I can sleep the computer,
> etc.  it's only on cold restart.
>
> any ideas as to why that is?I've pulled it out for now, but my
> wife called me at work annoyed because web images and and such were
> sluggish so she wants the 9600 back in but I don't like having to hit
> the reset button when I start the machine up...I'm guessing power
> issue,  has a 1.8GHz upgrade, ATA card, USB 2 card and three HDDs, I
> could be wrong though.
>
> -sam

I have the same card in my DA with a QS 867 processor. I have the  
same issue randomly. I can go for months with it booting fine off of  
the Radeon, then it will boot fine, but no video. After start up with  
no video, I give it time to load all the startup apps, hit the power  
key and return and it shuts down normally.

The kludge I have wound up with is the following:

I picked up a cheap Rage pci video card off the swap list and  
installed it.
When I get no video on startup, after shut down I disconnect the DVI- 
VGA cable from the Radeon and connect my vga monitor to the Rage.
Start up off the Rage (Radeon is still installed, just nothing hooked  
to it).
After normal startup, shut down and reconnect monitor to the Radeon.
99%+ of the time, it boots fine and I go on my merry way with the  
accelerated graphics of the 9600.

Sometimes I have to repeat the above.

There have been times I have had to do the above just once, there  
have been other times when I have had to do this every day for a  
week. Then I can go a couple of months before I need to do it again..

Len

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Re: Video card glitchyness

[Dan]

At 3:05 PM -0400 9/21/2009, Sam Macomber wrote:
>I've got a G5 version Radeon Pro 9600 64MB card that has the pins 
>taped to work in my Quicksilver 733.   It works,  but usually it does 
>not want to work on startup, screen does not turn on.  but if I hit 
>the reset a few seconds after the ethernet links up(router on my desk) 
>it works.It'll work fine after that, I can sleep the computer, 
>etc.  it's only on cold restart.

The card is probably taking longer to initialize than the system 
expects.  Try booting into safe mode or verbose mode - see if that 
makes a diff.

Since it only happens on a cold start, *shrug* Just live with it. 
You shouldn't be cold starting that often anyway, especially if sleep 
works.

Since you're switching video cards anyway... take a good look at the 
slot.  Make sure it's clean etc.  Ditto for the fingers on the card.

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Re: 733 DA Start up problem

[Dan]

At 12:37 PM -0600 9/21/2009, nestamicky wrote:
>On 9/20/2009 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:
>>  Bong good - that means the self-test has run successfully - the pmu,
>  > cpu, memory, buses, and video are basically functional.
>
>Dan, could I please differ with you here. Bong does not mean that the
>buses are good. You may recall my PB 1.67. It bonged. But I've come now
>to conclude, as suggested by Bruce and Kris, that the ata bus must be
>dead.

The self-test is fairly limited.  It's a 2 sec test, after all, not a 
10 hr diagnostic.  It checks to see that the buses are talking.  It 
cannot check to see if the end peripheral buses are fully functional 
(able to pass data from peripherals) without loading drivers etc.

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Video card glitchyness

[Sam Macomber]

Speaking of ATi cards.

I've got a G5 version Radeon Pro 9600 64MB card that has the pins  
taped to work in my Quicksilver 733.   It works,  but usually it does  
not want to work on startup, screen does not turn on.  but if I hit  
the reset a few seconds after the ethernet links up(router on my desk)  
it works.It'll work fine after that, I can sleep the computer,  
etc.  it's only on cold restart.

any ideas as to why that is?I've pulled it out for now, but my  
wife called me at work annoyed because web images and and such were  
sluggish so she wants the 9600 back in but I don't like having to hit  
the reset button when I start the machine up...I'm guessing power  
issue,  has a 1.8GHz upgrade, ATA card, USB 2 card and three HDDs, I  
could be wrong though.

-sam

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Re: 733 DA Start up problem

[nestamicky]

On 9/20/2009 10:52 AM, Dan wrote:
> Bong good - that means the self-test has run successfully - the pmu,
> cpu, memory, buses, and video are basically functional.
>
Dan, could I please differ with you here. Bong does not mean that the 
buses are good. You may recall my PB 1.67. It bonged. But I've come now 
to conclude, as suggested by Bruce and Kris, that the ata bus must be 
dead. To prove, I booted it using Firewire and it booted. Now I have to 
try and see if the optical drive would work while it's booted in 
Firewire, to conclude, without hesitation, that the ata bus is dead. If 
you need a reminder on that, I'd find the thread link.

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Re: Video Driver Question.

[Clark Martin]

pdimage wrote:
> On 21/9/09 15:59, "Len Gerstel"  wrote:
> 
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Gus wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Also, I bought this card from ebay.
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120468674399
>>>
>>> I was told this would also alleviate my video blacking problem.
>> Unfortunately, you bought an AGP Radeon 7000. Your Beige G3 only has
>> PCI slots. You need a PCI Radeon 7000. That card will not work or fit
>> in your beige.
>>
>> Len
> 
> The description is a little wayward but the card seems to be pci - see
> question at the bottom.

The picture is PCI but the description says it's both PCI and AGP. 
Personally I avoid such vendors, they just don't know what they are 
talking about.  But it's a little late for the buyer / OP.

If it hasn't shipped the buyer could try clarifying it with the seller 
and canceling the sale if it's AGP.

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Macintosh / Internet Consulting

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Re: ati radeon models for PowerMac G4

[Bruce Johnson]

On Sep 21, 2009, at 6:28 AM, Geke wrote:

> But I don’t get the idea what would improve, Bruce, or what would go
> faster, dorayme?
> I’m not into gaming, by the way.

A faster video card speeds up Quartz, and hence, the whole GUI quite  
noticeably, even back in the days of 10.2...windows scroll faster,  
open faster, refresh faster.

I noticed quite the difference when I upgraded my sawtooth from the  
original Rage card to a Radeon, and my games collection consists of an  
old copy of Glider.

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College of Pharmacy
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Re: Video Driver Question.

[pdimage]

On 21/9/09 15:59, "Len Gerstel"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Gus wrote:
> 
> 
>> Also, I bought this card from ebay.
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120468674399
>> 
>> I was told this would also alleviate my video blacking problem.
> 
> Unfortunately, you bought an AGP Radeon 7000. Your Beige G3 only has
> PCI slots. You need a PCI Radeon 7000. That card will not work or fit
> in your beige.
> 
> Len

The description is a little wayward but the card seems to be pci - see
question at the bottom.

Pete



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Re: Video Driver Question.

[Len Gerstel]

On Sep 21, 2009, at 10:48 AM, Gus wrote:


> Also, I bought this card from ebay.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120468674399
>
> I was told this would also alleviate my video blacking problem.

Unfortunately, you bought an AGP Radeon 7000. Your Beige G3 only has  
PCI slots. You need a PCI Radeon 7000. That card will not work or fit  
in your beige.

Len
  

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Video Driver Question.

[Gus]

How (where) are the video drivers setup and located in OS X.4.11?

I have 10.4.11 running on a desktop Beige G3 and when I did the update
a program that I use (visual hub) causes the screen to go black.  That
didn't happen before I installed the updates.  I was told that the
processor causes the video to crash in these beige desktop systems and
that if I restore the old video driver that was there before the
update I would be able to get it to work again.

Also, I bought this card from ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120468674399

I was told this would also alleviate my video blacking problem.  But I
suspect I will have to install a driver for it as well.  Any clue
where I could find such an animal?  Does it come standard on the OS X
DVD?  Will I have to reinstall OS X to get the driver to load?  Or is
the driver already on my hard drive ready to run once I install the
card?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Gus
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Re: ati radeon models for PowerMac G4

[Geke]

Thanks for the comments!
So I understand that DVI will not (noticeably) improve the screen
quality over VGA.
But I don’t get the idea what would improve, Bruce, or what would go
faster, dorayme?
I’m not into gaming, by the way.
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Re: let's put it in this way_can I connect this camera to a Mac?

[Ross]

On Sep 20, 12:11 am, Beniamino Cenci Goga  wrote:
> > On a side note, do you even know if the card is mac compatible?
>
> it is not. now, since I have to buy again the card from the Olympus  
> dealer, I came across the idea to replace it with something that works  
> with G3-G4-G5, as I am plenty of them in my lab and I can dedicate one  
> to the microscope.
>
> The limiting factor is that the camera has only one plug, which is  
> this weird DB-26.
>
> Basically I would like to connect this camera to a G3/4/5
>
> http://www.olympusmicro.com/primer/java/digitalcameras/olympusdp70/in...
>
> Ben

Try asking this guy:

Name  : Nadia Mohammad
Phone : 1-800-446-5967 Ext : 103384
Email  : nadia.moham...@olympus.com
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