ibook G3 - GPU removal
Hi everyone, I have an iBook G3 Dual USB that has the infamous logic board problem. I've tried reflowing the GPU a couple of times with moderate success, but over time the problem recurs. I've given up on this approach. I'm considering removing the GPU altogether, but I am unsure if the system would be bootable without it. I'd like to use it as an embedded system to control some external hardware via USB. It would remain headless with access being provided via SSH over ethernet. Will I be able to boot into an OS, preferably Linux, without a graphics adapter? Does anyone have experience with this approach? Thanks a bunch, Brian -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ibook G3 - GPU removal
I don't understand. If you're using it headless and accessing via SSH, why are you worried about the GPU problem and what do you hope to gain by removing the GPU vs. using it as is? This topic would be better on the G-Books list rather than G3-5 list which is normally desktop G3 thru G5 Macs. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Re: Setting up SCSI HD in B/W
I had to take a break from the SCSI hard drive problem while we had Holiday guests, but I am back to it at least part-time now. In answer to some previously posted suggestions - There are no other SCSI devices in the Mac so an ID conflict should not be possible. I did have the IDE drives on an ACARD card, which displayed them as parallel SCSI, but it uses it's own SCSI bus. I have removed that card and put the drives back on the MoBo bus, but this had no effect on the SCSI hard drive problem. I also tried booting in OS 9, installing the drivers for the ATTO card there, and then trying to access the SCSI drive with Speedtools. Speedtools also did not recognize that the drive was present. The jumpers on the drive itself allow one to put it into SE mode. The cable is LVD/SE Ultra 2 so I thought it should work without forcing the drive into SE mode, but maybe not. Is this the next thing to try? It seems that the problem is that the drive just isn't communicating in any way with the controller card so I suppose the cable has to be considered a leading suspect here. Unless the drive needs to be configured in some way I don't understand. Broos Kris Tilford wrote: On Dec 26, 2009, at 3:02 PM, Bruce Godfrey wrote: Anyone know any tricks for getting a SCSI drive going? Or, ways of determining if the drive may be faulty. I am afraid I do not have another Ultra2 cable to test in the system, but this on is brand new and includes the LVD/SE terminator and 6 positions. I had some old SCSI drives that refused to be recognized until I booted into OS 9 and formated them with Intech Hard Disk Speedtools 3.5 for OS 9. After formatted with Speedtools, the disks were recognized in both OS 9 and OS X. The problem was getting the drives recognized at all, which Speedtools solved. I may have been able to reformat with Disk Utility after using Speedtools to get the drives working, I can't really remember. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Is pc3200 interchangable with pc2700 ram
I have a G4 iMac 20 1.25Ghz that the optical drive died on, while I am changing that out I would like to replace the memory as well. It currently has (in the not user friendly inner slot) a PC2700 DDR333 - 256MB (184 pin) stick in it. I have a about a half dozen PC3200 DDR400 - 1GB (184 pin) sticks from two G5's. Google results say it can be done (all converbut not specifically with a Mac). Thanks. The user friendly outer slot has a PC2700 SODIMM (200 pin) stick in it. mr bluellama...@embarqmail.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Is pc3200 interchangable with pc2700 ram
On Dec 29, 2009, at 3:37 PM, mark ray wrote: I have a G4 iMac 20 1.25Ghz that the optical drive died on, while I am changing that out I would like to replace the memory as well. It currently has (in the not user friendly inner slot) a PC2700 DDR333 - 256MB (184 pin) stick in it. I have a about a half dozen PC3200 DDR400 - 1GB (184 pin) sticks from two G5's. Google results say it can be done (all converbut not specifically with a Mac). Thanks. The user friendly outer slot has a PC2700 SODIMM (200 pin) stick in it. If the stick actually fits, then faster ram can be substituted, generally speaking, for slower; all that happens is that the RAM does not run as fast as it's rated. Incompatible RAM types have different pin and slot layouts. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
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Re: Is pc3200 interchangable with pc2700 ram
On Dec 29, 2009, at 4:48 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: If the stick actually fits, then faster ram can be substituted, generally speaking, for slower; all that happens is that the RAM does not run as fast as it's rated. Yes, this is true that you can use faster RAM in all slower computer, and generally speaking you can't use slower RAM in a faster computer, BUT, I've seen slower labeled RAM, for example a stick labeled PC2100 that was really a re-labeled PC3200 stick and all the chips were the faster PC3200 chips. Evidently sometimes the manufacturers either run out of the slower stock RAM or perhaps quit making it, and then label the faster RAM with slower labeling. You'd have to look at the chips to see, but it does happen sometimes. Also, some Macs, for example the Beige or the G4 Mini only use low- density modules with chips on both sides of the module, while others can use either low-density or high-density, so that's another consideration that could cause a module that fits the slot to not function. Also, dual-channel RAM such as used on the G5 must be mounted in matched pairs in the correct matched slots, and are often VERY finicky and can require reseating and rebooting many times before the matched pair are recognized correctly. If you use two different sizes as a pair you'll only get the smallest size (x2) IF they recognize, which isn't likely in my experience. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
why is this MDD overheating?
Ok, before I begin, here's the specs. Dual 1.25 MDD 2gb ram, 200gb, leopard 10.5.8 Last night I pulled the power supply and cleaned it like I've done a couple times before and reinstalled it. Only this time, the main fan, which I figured I'd clean too while I was at it, accidentally got put in backwards (yes, I did that..) well, obviously it didn't take but about 4 minutes to overheat and smell like burnt plastic and shut down (sleep mode).. then I forced a shut down and opened the machine to find the fan in wrong. Well, here's where it gets interesting... I flipped the fan around, and powered it up, starts off fine, normal fan noise (rpm) then as I watch, istat is telling me a slow increase... it's climbing, climbing... past 150f... fan kicks up another notch .. 160f sounds like the fan is full throttle at this point... this is with very little or no load on the CPU (itunes, mail) then I power down, and figured I'd put a fresh application of thermal grease on the processors. still the same problem/result? how do I get this back down to 130f-140f where it was? what possible damage could I have done to this poor MDD? your turn... thanks in advance. Jeff -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: why is this MDD overheating?
On Dec 29, 2009, at 5:32 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: Ok, before I begin, here's the specs. Dual 1.25 MDD 2gb ram, 200gb, leopard 10.5.8 Last night I pulled the power supply and cleaned it like I've done a couple times before and reinstalled it. Only this time, the main fan, which I figured I'd clean too while I was at it, accidentally got put in backwards (yes, I did that..) well, obviously it didn't take but about 4 minutes to overheat and smell like burnt plastic and shut down (sleep mode).. then I forced a shut down and opened the machine to find the fan in wrong. Well, here's where it gets interesting... I flipped the fan around, and powered it up, starts off fine, normal fan noise (rpm) then as I watch, istat is telling me a slow increase... it's climbing, climbing... past 150f... fan kicks up another notch .. 160f sounds like the fan is full throttle at this point... this is with very little or no load on the CPU (itunes, mail) then I power down, and figured I'd put a fresh application of thermal grease on the processors. still the same problem/result? how do I get this back down to 130f-140f where it was? what possible damage could I have done to this poor MDD? your turn... thanks in advance. Jeff I hope this isn't an insult but the machine has to be closed up to cool properly. Just checking, John wtmm -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: why is this MDD overheating?
On Dec 29, 2009, at 5:57 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I hope this isn't an insult but the machine has to be closed up to cool properly. Just checking, John wtmm I fully agree.. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
HD Data Recovery
Hello, My old G4 Sawtooth is being phased out. Been having HD problems for a while. The HD I want to recover files and stuff from is a Maxtor 60gig 5400. I had two HDs. The other was a 10g Maxtor 7200. I made the 10g my boot drive and used the larger for storage. The 60 kept getting worse and worse. Making a lot of runup noise and pings and pops. Sometimes it wouldn't mount. I would then let it cool and could occasionally get it back onto my desktop. I retrieved as much as I could with a little jump drive a little at a time. Mostly music and pictures left. Bought an 8GB Lexar today to try to get the last bits off. BUT so far today no luck in mounting the 60g. I've booting with OS CD, tried as best I could with Disk Utility. It tells me it needs repair; it tries to repair, then says it can't; and subsequently tells me I need to maybe use a third party disk utility. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jim -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: why is this MDD overheating?
On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:01 PM, Jeffrey Engle wrote: On Dec 29, 2009, at 5:57 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: I hope this isn't an insult but the machine has to be closed up to cool properly. Just checking, John wtmm I fully agree.. I have a MDD 1. Dual. I have occasionally had the fan get up and stay up. I think I went to Apple downloads and got an update for this. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me that the temp would climb if the fan is working properly. If the fan is running then the temp shouldn't rise. Under the port holes in the front is a grill that gets plugged up I assume this is clean. Are both CPUs running hot? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD Data Recovery
On Dec 29, 2009, at 7:02 PM, JIM RAPER wrote: Hello, My old G4 Sawtooth is being phased out. Been having HD problems for a while. The HD I want to recover files and stuff from is a Maxtor 60gig 5400. I had two HDs. The other was a 10g Maxtor 7200. I made the 10g my boot drive and used the larger for storage. The 60 kept getting worse and worse. Making a lot of runup noise and pings and pops. Sometimes it wouldn't mount. I would then let it cool and could occasionally get it back onto my desktop. I retrieved as much as I could with a little jump drive a little at a time. Mostly music and pictures left. Bought an 8GB Lexar today to try to get the last bits off. BUT so far today no luck in mounting the 60g. I've booting with OS CD, tried as best I could with Disk Utility. It tells me it needs repair; it tries to repair, then says it can't; and subsequently tells me I need to maybe use a third party disk utility. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Jim I would try Drive Genius 2 or DiskWarrior. Sometimes you can freeze a drive and get it up long enough to get your stuff off, I've done this a lot. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: HD Data Recovery
At 7:02 PM -0800 12/29/2009, JIM RAPER wrote: My old G4 Sawtooth is being phased out. Been having HD problems for a while. The HD I want to recover files and stuff from is a Maxtor 60gig 5400. I had two HDs. The other was a 10g Maxtor 7200. I made the 10g my boot drive and used the larger for storage. The 60 kept getting worse and worse. Making a lot of runup noise and pings and pops. Sometimes it wouldn't mount. I would then let it cool and could occasionally get it back onto my desktop. I retrieved as much as I could with a little jump drive a little at a time. Mostly music and pictures left. Bought an 8GB Lexar today to try to get the last bits off. BUT so far today no luck in mounting the 60g. I've booting with OS CD, tried as best I could with Disk Utility. It tells me it needs repair; it tries to repair, then says it can't; and subsequently tells me I need to maybe use a third party disk utility. If the drive in question does not contain your boot volume, then you don't need to boot on the OS CD. Just use Disk Utility from the booted system. If Disk Utility cannot repair the drive, then DiskWarrior might. BUT from the rest of your description, it sounds like that drive is dying fast. You mention letting it cool sometimes fixed things temporarily... So, it might be time to try putting the drive in a sealed plastic bag and freeze it for a while. HTH, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 Mac Mini Desktop Memory Question
I've been toying with getting a G4 Mac Mini 1.25 GHz or faster as a stop gap move until going to some sort of Intel unit next year. From what I have been able to research, 1 GB memory is the max that is supported. My question is if anyone has ever installed 2GB? TIA JT Love Spell Click here to light up your life with a love spell! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/c?cp=1oO-L5SIfyhsPumZ79QzPwAAJ1Hoq79FjCQ74OFkFSWhCpbyAAYAAADNRwA= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Firewire ports stop working?
Anyone have the experience with their G5 where all 3 of the firewire ports (2 in back, 1 in front) all stop working? Even with nothing connected to the firewire ports, when I go into system profiler, I see warning: no information is available about firewire devices. I'm running 10.5.8 on a quad G5. I had 2 external firewire 800 drives connected and was copying files from 1 to another (about 800GB of data) when the drives dropped off and now I get nothing. I also have an Apple cinema display connected, and had that plugged into the rear FW400 port, to enable me to use the ports on the display, though I haven't used them in a long time. Any help is appreciated. -Hal -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Firewire ports stop working?
Ok, I guess all I really needed to do is shut off the G5 and unplug it for 20 minutes. That seems to have revived the ports. Is it possible to have overpowered the firewire bus and shut it down by plugging in 2 external drives (each with it's own AC adapter, none on bus power) and copying a few terabytes worth of backup data? Cheers, -Hal On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:25 PM, Hal wrote: Anyone have the experience with their G5 where all 3 of the firewire ports (2 in back, 1 in front) all stop working? Even with nothing connected to the firewire ports, when I go into system profiler, I see warning: no information is available about firewire devices. I'm running 10.5.8 on a quad G5. I had 2 external firewire 800 drives connected and was copying files from 1 to another (about 800GB of data) when the drives dropped off and now I get nothing. I also have an Apple cinema display connected, and had that plugged into the rear FW400 port, to enable me to use the ports on the display, though I haven't used them in a long time. Any help is appreciated. -Hal -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
MDD clock
I have a 887 dual MDD that has a good pram battery, but still will not save settings after the computer gets unplugged. Any thoughts? -- Sent from my mobile device -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD clock
On Dec 29, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Wayne Garrett wrote: I have a 887 dual MDD that has a good pram battery, but still will not save settings after the computer gets unplugged. Any thoughts? Have you tried replacing the battery anyway? Also, try resetting the PRAM and try booting into Open Firmware (Command-Option-O-F) and typing reset-nvram reset-all and pressing enter after each line. Theres one more command but i cant remember it at the moment... . -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: MDD clock
On 29 Dec 2009, at 22:01:28 PST, Kasey Smith wrote: save settings after the computer gets unplugged. Any thoughts? Have you tried replacing the battery anyway? Also, try resetting the PRAM and try booting into Open Firmware (Command-Option-O-F) and typing -- Check the polarity of the PRAM battery. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
