Can anyone help?
Been here before and thanks for the help but my problem continues. First
I can not afford a new intel mac or evan a good used ppc mac. My screen
is now OK with a addition of new ATI 9800 Mac Pro video card. Now the
power button still does nothing, the restart button does. Took out the
switch and there is nothing you can clean. Tried pushing just the the
switch, no luck. I have bought a new mother board on eBay and that does
the same thing as the original board with the addition on not being able
to connect to the internet. Put the old board back in and am now
connected. Other problems. On restart the Mac still sometimes goes into
open firmware and must type mac-boot. Eventually after several tries it
will boot up. Apple jack reports { 41 918440 } UniNEtnet :: restart
over and over in pink letters after doing it's thing. Push return and
then enter exit or re-boot to get going again. I have 3 hard drives
which I have erased and installed new copies of OS 10.5.8 on each. I
bought a Western Digital Passport drive less than a year ago and it was
working fine until I switched from Time Machine to Carbon Copy Cloner.
Now it will not mount. In disk utilities it shows up but will not erase.
No argument is the error and the same when I try to partition it. I
bought it at the Apple store and I am taking it back there to-day. The
same thing happens with the new and old main boards. Does anyone have
any ideas on how to fix this. The video board and the external drive had
problems after the swap to CCC. I love my mac and want to have it
working. Where other than the main board does the mac store information
that is causing my problems?
Norm
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Re: Quicksilver 867 mhz cpu compatibility with what G4???
I'm not sure about other models. I only have a Digital Audio. If someone has managed to put it into other models, I'm sure Google can find it. I know that the MDD CPU modules aren't compatible with any other G4, though. On Feb 2, 8:18 pm, Ricardo Sevilla ae86dr...@gmail.com wrote: So these are not interchangeable into other G4s except the digital audio? I have a quicksilver now and that one has an upgraded cpu. What can I do with this CPU and a Sawtooth that I have her with no CPU? I would like to put it into the sawtooth but it PHYSICALLY does not fit. Does anyone know anything I can do? suggestions, comments, opinions, anything? On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:07 AM, PM7500 wrote: Quicksilver CPU's can be put into Digital Audios but require an additional power line to be run from one of the PSU pigtails to a hole on the CPU board. There are details of the mod on the net if you Google it. On Feb 1, 8:15 pm, Ricardo Sevilla ae86dr...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering what other G4s could a Quicksilver cpu fit into? It is an 867 mhz cpu. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/ group/g3-5-list- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver G4 and Linksys Wrt54gs
On Feb 2, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: Hello everyone. I have a problem. I have recently acquired a Quicksilver G4. It was an 867 mhz model. I pulled my 1.3 ghz cpu out of my Sawtooth and put it in the Quicksilver. The Quicksilver has 1.5 gigs of Ram and a 2.0 USB card along with a firewire card. Other than that there are no other Hardware modifications done to the G4. The problem I am having is when I try to connect to the internet. I cannot get a good ip address for the life of me. Have you tried resetting the router? Are you using Airport or the built-in ethernet? If you have another functioning Mac connect the two and see if they find each other via bonjour. Delete the network preferences entirely (these are in /library/ preferences/systemconfiguration, just delete every one that has to do with networking.) IS your router restricting by MAC address? Is your router working? Linksys tend to be crap. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Address Book files
On Feb 2, 2010, at 6:30 PM, John Carmonne wrote: Hi All Does the address book folder in the Applications Support in the user library have a separate file for the Apple Mail addresses? Separate from the normal address Book? Do you mean collected addresses? I believe it's a separate file, but I suspect it's in the ~/Library/Mail folder rather than the Address Book folder. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can anyone help?
On 3 Feb 2010, at 04:55:21 PST, Norm Rowe wrote: Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this. The video board and the external drive had problems after the swap to CCC. I love my mac and want to have it working. Where other than the main board does the mac store information that is causing my problems? Norm It would be easier to figure out what you were talking about if you would indicate what Mac you were working with. Ken http://mysite.verizon.net/res7gt1w/stackomacs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Quicksilver 867 mhz cpu compatibility with what G4???
On Feb 1, 8:15 pm, Ricardo Sevilla ae86dr...@gmail.com wrote: I was wondering what other G4s could a Quicksilver cpu fit into? It is an 867 mhz cpu. The easy mod is for a Digital Audio. You need to add a 12v line to the card from a drive power plug. Not hard and I can send you a link if you wish. Extra cooling is never a bad idea. The really tough mods are to get it into a Sawtooth or Gigabit machine. It is plug compatible with their cpu sockets, but you also need to do the following: a) remove one of the onboard ata connectors b) modify the heatsink (not recommended without additional cooling) or do internal case mods to fit it In addition, without circuit board level modifications, the processor will run at a slower speed. The 867 is at a 133MHz bus speed (6.5 x multiplier). Without circuit board level modifications, in a 100MHz bus machine, it will only run at 650MHz (6.5 x 100) Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can anyone help?
On 3 Feb 2010, at 04:55:21 PST, Norm Rowe wrote: Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this. The video board and the external drive had problems What problems? I love my mac and want to have it working. What Mac? Model, processor, RAM, OS etc? Where other than the main board does the mac store information that is causing my problems? What information? Until you give us more details an answer isn't possible I'm afraid. Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Can anyone help?
On 3/2/10 12:55, Norm Rowe nrow...@roadrunner.com wrote:
Been here before and thanks for the help but my problem continues. First
I can not afford a new intel mac or evan a good used ppc mac. My screen
is now OK with a addition of new ATI 9800 Mac Pro video card. Now the
power button still does nothing, the restart button does. Took out the
switch and there is nothing you can clean. Tried pushing just the the
switch, no luck. I have bought a new mother board on eBay and that does
the same thing as the original board with the addition on not being able
to connect to the internet. Put the old board back in and am now
connected. Other problems. On restart the Mac still sometimes goes into
open firmware and must type mac-boot. Eventually after several tries it
will boot up. Apple jack reports { 41 918440 } UniNEtnet :: restart
over and over in pink letters after doing it's thing. Push return and
then enter exit or re-boot to get going again. I have 3 hard drives
which I have erased and installed new copies of OS 10.5.8 on each. I
bought a Western Digital Passport drive less than a year ago and it was
working fine until I switched from Time Machine to Carbon Copy Cloner.
Now it will not mount. In disk utilities it shows up but will not erase.
No argument is the error and the same when I try to partition it. I
bought it at the Apple store and I am taking it back there to-day. The
same thing happens with the new and old main boards. Does anyone have
any ideas on how to fix this. The video board and the external drive had
problems after the swap to CCC. I love my mac and want to have it
working. Where other than the main board does the mac store information
that is causing my problems?
Norm
Notwithstanding the spec of your mac and the HD's I have experienced this
'type' of problem when running multi boot systems in G4 Sawtooth and QS
models - especially when drives larger than 128GB were installed. Have you
got all three HDs installed or are the problems there with just a single
drive?
Pete
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connecting G4 DA to iPod touch
Greetings, I am curious if I can connect an iPod touch to a G4 Digital Audio with a Airport card directly without using a router. Thanks, Lee -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: connecting G4 DA to iPod touch
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:22 PM, Stro wrote: Greetings, I am curious if I can connect an iPod touch to a G4 Digital Audio with a Airport card directly without using a router. yes, if you share the G4's network connection through the AP or create an ad-hoc network with the AP. I don't think you can connect it to synch that way, though. For that you need to use the USB synch cable. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Tiger on MBP
Hi All Can I partition my MBP and have Tiger on it along with Snow Leopard? I know the MacBook Intel's came with Tiger. JOHN CARMONNE Yorba Linda USA carmo...@aol,com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:51 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: Hi All Can I partition my MBP and have Tiger on it along with Snow Leopard? I know the MacBook Intel's came with Tiger. No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
Wrong. Several MBPs came with/can run 10.4, the Core Duo 2006 models, the Core 2 Duo Late 2006/Early 2007 models, and the mid-2007 models. Bruce Johnson wrote: No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Transfer addresses
Hi All I have been able to transfer my address book between computers via thumb drive using address book backup and restore, But I have a major problem in that when I do this all my addresses move ok but I lose all my Apple Mail addresses, is there some way to prevent this? Also why doesn't someone write a sync app to make tis easy. I don't want a .Mac account. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
Easy solution Load 10.4 on an external firewire drive and see if you can start from it; that will tell you; without any damage to the MBP internal hard drive. On Feb 3, 2010, at 19:07, Chance Reecher wrote: Wrong. Several MBPs came with/can run 10.4, the Core Duo 2006 models, the Core 2 Duo Late 2006/Early 2007 models, and the mid-2007 models. Bruce Johnson wrote: No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list have a nice day Michael Koch mk...@ncwcom.com -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:51 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: Hi All Can I partition my MBP and have Tiger on it along with Snow Leopard? I know the MacBook Intel's came with Tiger. No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. My brother's MacBook Pro 2.2 GHz Late 2007 came with 10.4.9 installed, and then also came with a Leopard 10.5 Upgrade DVD. I did the upgrade for him, so I know some MacBook Pros can run Tiger. I suspect the newer MacBook Pros that shipped with Leopard might also run Tiger since the hardware differences are pretty minimal? Also, you can make a full retail 10.5 install DVD from the 10.5 Upgrade DVD, if you are so inclined. It involves removing one tiny 4k file and burning a new DVD: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/12/12791/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:51 PM, JOHN CARMONNE wrote: Hi All Can I partition my MBP and have Tiger on it along with Snow Leopard? I know the MacBook Intel's came with Tiger. No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. My brother's MacBook Pro 2.2 GHz Late 2007 came with 10.4.9 installed, and then also came with a Leopard 10.5 Upgrade DVD. I did the upgrade for him, so I know some MacBook Pros can run Tiger. I suspect the newer MacBook Pros that shipped with Leopard might also run Tiger since the hardware differences are pretty minimal? Also, you can make a full retail 10.5 install DVD from the 10.5 Upgrade DVD, if you are so inclined. It involves removing one tiny 4k file and burning a new DVD: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2007/12/12791/ Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines only boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot my shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger install disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has 10.6.2 on it and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks the MacBook Intel Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
Are you using a retail Tiger disc? The retail discs will not boot Intel Macs, only the discs included with those machines will. John Carmonne wrote: Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines only boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot my shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger install disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has 10.6.2 on it and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks the MacBook Intel Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: Are you using a retail Tiger disc? The retail discs will not boot Intel Macs, only the discs included with those machines will. John Carmonne wrote: Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines only boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot my shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger install disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has 10.6.2 on it and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks the MacBook Intel Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Yes I have a retail Tiger disk. I'm at the moment doing a polish XPostFacto by attempting to boot off a GUID disk with a Tiger system installed via CCC. This method works on other machines that say the machine cant boot or run this system:-) Maybe it will work? No real need for this other than to do it. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
I can almost guarantee that it will not work. AFAIK, there is no Intel code on most of the black 10.4 retail discs. What happens when you try to boot the MBP from the retail disc? Does it load the installer, then tell you it will not install? If it does, then you might be able to make it work. John Carmonne wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: Are you using a retail Tiger disc? The retail discs will not boot Intel Macs, only the discs included with those machines will. John Carmonne wrote: Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines only boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot my shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger install disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has 10.6.2 on it and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks the MacBook Intel Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Yes I have a retail Tiger disk. I'm at the moment doing a polish XPostFacto by attempting to boot off a GUID disk with a Tiger system installed via CCC. This method works on other machines that say the machine cant boot or run this system:-) Maybe it will work? No real need for this other than to do it. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 5:08 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: I can almost guarantee that it will not work. AFAIK, there is no Intel code on most of the black 10.4 retail discs. What happens when you try to boot the MBP from the retail disc? Does it load the installer, then tell you it will not install? If it does, then you might be able to make it work. John Carmonne wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Chance Reecher wrote: Are you using a retail Tiger disc? The retail discs will not boot Intel Macs, only the discs included with those machines will. John Carmonne wrote: Please clear this for me, I'm under the impression that Intel machines only boot with GUID partition table, is this correct? Because I can't boot my shirt drive but it's Apple Partition Map. I'm not giving up yet even though MBP says It can't accept my Tiger install disk. I will try a CCC to one of my GUID shirt drives that has 10.6.2 on it and boots the MBP. A guy at the Apple store said he thinks the MacBook Intel Tiger is a special disk. I don't think that's the case. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Yes I have a retail Tiger disk. I'm at the moment doing a polish XPostFacto by attempting to boot off a GUID disk with a Tiger system installed via CCC. This method works on other machines that say the machine cant boot or run this system:-) Maybe it will work? No real need for this other than to do it. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
On Feb 3, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Michael Koch wrote: Easy solution Load 10.4 on an external firewire drive and see if you can start from it; that will tell you; without any damage to the MBP internal hard drive. On Feb 3, 2010, at 19:07, Chance Reecher wrote: Wrong. Several MBPs came with/can run 10.4, the Core Duo 2006 models, the Core 2 Duo Late 2006/Early 2007 models, and the mid-2007 models. In the defense of Bruce I have to say after trying all avenues he is correct just didn't bother with the manusha. t I found the last MBP to run Tiger would be 2007 Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo processor (T7700) model. I have a 2008 Penryn Core 2 Duo processor (T8300) So the culprit is the processors. But maybe someone out there can make it happen? Bruce Johnson wrote: No. The minimum OS for a MBP is 10.5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list have a nice day Michael Koch mk...@ncwcom.com John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Ed Grey wrote: On Jan 31, 10:33 am, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Ed Grey edwg...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any SSD's that plug into a PCI slot? That would be very handy for a desktop machine, and would avoid taking a hard drive connector. I've seen PCIe, but I don't remember whether or not I've seen any PCI. I think what you're asking is more about what SATA PCI controllers/adapters are available which will work in your (PowerPC?) Mac, no? No, I mean a solid state drive that plugs directly into a PCI slot. Here is the closest I could semi-quickly find. It is for 2.5 pata (not sata). There may be a sata version, but most likely it will be PCIe, not regular pci. http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempohd.html You attach an old laptop HD onto this card, then plug the card into a pci slot. It also includes a ata/133 connector so you can plug in 2 large ata drives into it. Sonnet's price is $70. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: No, I mean a solid state drive that plugs directly into a PCI slot. Here is the closest I could semi-quickly find. It is for 2.5 pata (not sata). There may be a sata version, but most likely it will be PCIe, not regular pci. http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempohd.html You attach an old laptop HD onto this card, then plug the card into a pci slot. It also includes a ata/133 connector so you can plug in 2 large ata drives into it. Sonnet's price is $70. Oh my, that brings up a blast from the past. The HardCard, which was a hard drive mounted on an ISA card...we had one in the very first PC- Compatible I ever worked on, way back in 1986 or so...googling that lead to this: http://www.ramsan.com/products/ramsan-20.htm 450 gig SSD storage on a PCIe card. They don't list prices...you have to request a quote, for grins and giggles I did, (and at the cost of junk phone calls! you all have no idea of my suffering for you 8-p). When I find out I'll post the info, but I'm guessing we're looking at $2-5K -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Leaving the group
How do you change your setting to get these in digest format? I would love that. I get a ton of emails. Robert Long Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 21:00:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Leaving the group From: sfjb...@mac.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com You know, if you choose to get this list in Digest Format, you will receive only one email / day. On Feb 2, 11:53 am, John Wilson j...@staithes.demon.co.uk wrote: Reluctantly leaving the group so as to stop the 30 or so daily emails I never signed up for At least I will if I can find a way to leave. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469227/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Ed Grey wrote: On Jan 31, 10:33 am, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Ed Grey edwg...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any SSD's that plug into a PCI slot? That would be very handy for a desktop machine, and would avoid taking a hard drive connector. I've seen PCIe, but I don't remember whether or not I've seen any PCI. I think what you're asking is more about what SATA PCI controllers/adapters are available which will work in your (PowerPC?) Mac, no? No, I mean a solid state drive that plugs directly into a PCI slot. Here is the closest I could semi-quickly find. It is for 2.5 pata (not sata). There may be a sata version, but most likely it will be PCIe, not regular pci. http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempohd.html You attach an old laptop HD onto this card, then plug the card into a pci slot. It also includes a ata/133 connector so you can plug in 2 large ata drives into it. Sonnet's price is $70. Len Thats interesting, it only supports the G4 MDD and up. The slots are pretty much the same as in a DA, Quicksilver, GE, Sawtooth, and Yosemite, right? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Ed Grey wrote: On Jan 31, 10:33 am, iJohn zjboyguard-ggro...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Ed Grey edwg...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any SSD's that plug into a PCI slot? That would be very handy for a desktop machine, and would avoid taking a hard drive connector. I've seen PCIe, but I don't remember whether or not I've seen any PCI. I think what you're asking is more about what SATA PCI controllers/adapters are available which will work in your (PowerPC?) Mac, no? No, I mean a solid state drive that plugs directly into a PCI slot. Here is the closest I could semi-quickly find. It is for 2.5 pata (not sata). There may be a sata version, but most likely it will be PCIe, not regular pci. http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempohd.html You attach an old laptop HD onto this card, then plug the card into a pci slot. It also includes a ata/133 connector so you can plug in 2 large ata drives into it. Sonnet's price is $70. Len Thats interesting, it only supports the G4 MDD and up. The slots are pretty much the same as in a DA, Quicksilver, GE, Sawtooth, and Yosemite, right? Re read the specs. Mac Compatibility Power Mac G4 (all models except Cube and Mirrored Drive Doors) Power Mac G5 (with PCI or PCI-X slots) Mac OS® X Version 10.5, 10.4, or 10.3 Don't know why it does not support the MDD Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
At 7:07 PM -0500 2/3/2010, Chance Reecher wrote: Wrong. Several MBPs came with/can run 10.4, the Core Duo 2006 models, the Core 2 Duo Late 2006/Early 2007 models, and the mid-2007 models. Top posting and harsh rudeness aside... I cannot find anywhere that says that any MacBook Pro ever booted generic Tiger - Mac OS X 10.4.0. AFAIK the earliest MBP model required a special build of 10.4.5. At 5:31 PM -0800 2/3/2010, John Carmonne wrote: I have a 2008 Penryn Core 2 Duo processor (T8300) So the culprit is the processors. But maybe someone out there can make it happen? Not going to happen. It's not just the processor - there are other changes to the system. Even 10.4.11 doesn't have the right drivers for that hardware. It won't boot anything earlier than 10.5.2 (9C2018). - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Tiger on MBP
At 11:22 PM -0500 2/3/2010, Dan wrote: Not going to happen. It's not just the processor - there are other changes to the system. Even 10.4.11 doesn't have the right drivers for that hardware. It won't boot anything earlier than 10.5.2 (9C2018). To clarify - there might be a hack that lets an older OS boot on that hardware. But I *strongly* don't recommend doing it. The minimum recommended/required system contains the drivers and *power manager* changes required by that hardware. The wrong power manager code, or worse - a power manager and firmware mismatch, could end up frying your laptop. It's just not worth the risk, IMO. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:18 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Len Gerstel wrote: On Feb 1, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Ed Grey wrote: Here is the closest I could semi-quickly find. It is for 2.5 pata (not sata). There may be a sata version, but most likely it will be PCIe, not regular pci. http://www.sonnettech.com/product/tempohd.html You attach an old laptop HD onto this card, then plug the card into a pci slot. It also includes a ata/133 connector so you can plug in 2 large ata drives into it. Sonnet's price is $70. Len Thats interesting, it only supports the G4 MDD and up. The slots are pretty much the same as in a DA, Quicksilver, GE, Sawtooth, and Yosemite, right? Re read the specs. Mac Compatibility Power Mac G4 (all models except Cube and Mirrored Drive Doors) Power Mac G5 (with PCI or PCI-X slots) Mac OS® X Version 10.5, 10.4, or 10.3 Don't know why it does not support the MDD Len Oops, misread that. Anyway, im wondering while it wont work in a G3... -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Leaving the group
On Feb 3, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Robert Long wrote: How do you change your setting to get these in digest format? I would love that. I get a ton of emails. As indicated in the trailer of every Group message: For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list Click on Edit my membership, and select Digest Email. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Adding a second monitor
Hello I was wondering how I could add a second monitor to my Quicksilver. I have the original card in there right now and it is connected to a Viewsonic monitor via the dvi connector but I wanted to know what other card I could put into the next slot underneath it to add a second monitor. Does anyone have anything like this that they have working and if so can you provide info as far as How much your setup ran you for example. (THis is merely an example I know it is not accurate) Quicksiler 1.XXX ghz 2 gig ram GeForce4 MX 32 MB SLOT-1=25 dollars Geforce4 MX 32 MB SLOT-2=25 dollars I am hoping that this will give me an idea of how much it is going to cost me to add a monitor and what kind of cards will work in the second, PCI??? sot. Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
DL DVD burning
Hi All I'm having trouble getting consistent DL DVD burns. It seems that I get a good disk and when played on a set top they sometimes break up and it's annoying. I have good equipment but I think maybe the media is crap. Like 1 out of three is junk, this gets costly and embarrassing when you give a friend a disk and they tell you it screwed up some where during play. I even let the disk verify but that means nothing. CDs are not a problem and most single layers are usually ok. I have some that play right one or three times and then crap out. I have three different rippers I use Toast 8 and all my drives are Pioneer 118L. Does anyone else have this problem? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: *snip* Re read the specs. Mac Compatibility Power Mac G4 (all models except Cube and Mirrored Drive Doors) Power Mac G5 (with PCI or PCI-X slots) Mac OS® X Version 10.5, 10.4, or 10.3 Don't know why it does not support the MDD Len Oops, misread that. Anyway, im wondering while it wont work in a G3... Probably because G3's do not natively support anything above 10.2.8 ?= -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Adding a second monitor
On 2/3/10 10:55 PM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: Hello I was wondering how I could add a second monitor to my Quicksilver. I have the original card in there right now and it is connected to a Viewsonic monitor via the dvi connector but I wanted to know what other card I could put into the next slot underneath it to add a second monitor. Does anyone have anything like this that they have working and if so can you provide info as far as How much your setup ran you for example. (THis is merely an example I know it is not accurate) Quicksiler 1.XXX ghz 2 gig ram GeForce4 MX 32 MB SLOT-1=25 dollars Geforce4 MX 32 MB SLOT-2=25 dollars What other port does the current video card have? A lot of cards have dual outputs that can be used to drive two monitors. If it doesn't have two ports or one port isn't viable (ADC if you don't want to buy an ADC monitor) you should consider getting an AGP video card with two ports. One two port AGC is more effective than using one AGP and one PCI video cards. I am hoping that this will give me an idea of how much it is going to cost me to add a monitor and what kind of cards will work in the second, PCI??? sot. Thanks in advance. A two port AGP video card will cost yo about $25-50 on e-bay. The monitor will depend on what you want. Geeks http://www.geeks.com usually have pretty good prices on LCD monitors. They carry new and refurbished. Right now they seem to have a rather limited selection but that could change anytime. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: SSD
On 2/3/10 11:14 PM, Robert Towsley wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kasey Smith wrote: *snip* Re read the specs. Mac Compatibility Power Mac G4 (all models except Cube and Mirrored Drive Doors) Power Mac G5 (with PCI or PCI-X slots) Mac OS® X Version 10.5, 10.4, or 10.3 Don't know why it does not support the MDD Len Oops, misread that. Anyway, im wondering while it wont work in a G3... Probably because G3's do not natively support anything above 10.2.8 ?= Except 10.3 and 10.4. I've installed both on a BW G3 with no problem. And no XPostFacto or other tricks. 10.3 and 10.4 natively support the BW G3. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Adding a second monitor
Oh cool. I have the adc connector on the other side of the card. But if I connected an ADC monitor to it would it slow the computer down? I would figure that an extra PCI video card driving another monitor would run faster right? On Feb 3, 2010, at 11:25 PM, Clark Martin wrote: On 2/3/10 10:55 PM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: Hello I was wondering how I could add a second monitor to my Quicksilver. I have the original card in there right now and it is connected to a Viewsonic monitor via the dvi connector but I wanted to know what other card I could put into the next slot underneath it to add a second monitor. Does anyone have anything like this that they have working and if so can you provide info as far as How much your setup ran you for example. (THis is merely an example I know it is not accurate) Quicksiler 1.XXX ghz 2 gig ram GeForce4 MX 32 MB SLOT-1=25 dollars Geforce4 MX 32 MB SLOT-2=25 dollars What other port does the current video card have? A lot of cards have dual outputs that can be used to drive two monitors. If it doesn't have two ports or one port isn't viable (ADC if you don't want to buy an ADC monitor) you should consider getting an AGP video card with two ports. One two port AGC is more effective than using one AGP and one PCI video cards. I am hoping that this will give me an idea of how much it is going to cost me to add a monitor and what kind of cards will work in the second, PCI??? sot. Thanks in advance. A two port AGP video card will cost yo about $25-50 on e-bay. The monitor will depend on what you want. Geeks http://www.geeks.com usually have pretty good prices on LCD monitors. They carry new and refurbished. Right now they seem to have a rather limited selection but that could change anytime. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
