Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Brian Fuelleman
Part of the answer is going to depend upon what you want this machine to do.
What program or programs do you want or need to run on it?
Will this be set in network with other CPUs or will this be a solo operating 
machine?
While OS 9.2.2 may run fastest and use the least amount of ram, if you can't 
run the program(s) you need to,  or can't network with other computers when 
using it then it doesn't help you out.
Finding the balance between the needs and capabilities with speed and 
compatibilities is the trick.




From: Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 9:38:07 PM
Subject: Best OS for MDD

Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
following specs:

Hardware Overview:

  Machine Name:Power Mac G4
  Machine Model:PowerMac3,6
  CPU Type:PowerPC G4  (2.1)
  Number Of CPUs:2
  CPU Speed:1 GHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):256 KB
  L3 Cache (per CPU):2 MB
  Memory:2 GB
  Bus Speed:133 MHz
  Boot ROM Version:4.4.8f2

What would be the fastest/best OS for this?

Thanks!
-Jonas

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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Charles Lenington

Jonas Ulrich wrote:

Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
following specs:

Hardware Overview:

  Machine Name: Power Mac G4
  Machine Model:PowerMac3,6
  CPU Type: PowerPC G4  (2.1)
  Number Of CPUs:   2
  CPU Speed:1 GHz
  L2 Cache (per CPU):   256 KB
  L3 Cache (per CPU):   2 MB
  Memory:   2 GB
  Bus Speed:133 MHz
  Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2

What would be the fastest/best OS for this?

Thanks!
-Jonas

  

x.4.11 on my 2

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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Steve Thompson

On 04/04/2010 05:38, Jonas Ulrich wrote:

Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
following specs:

Hardware Overview:

   Machine Name:Power Mac G4
   Machine Model:   PowerMac3,6
   CPU Type:PowerPC G4  (2.1)
   Number Of CPUs:  2
   CPU Speed:   1 GHz
   L2 Cache (per CPU):  256 KB
   L3 Cache (per CPU):  2 MB
   Memory:  2 GB
   Bus Speed:   133 MHz
   Boot ROM Version:4.4.8f2

What would be the fastest/best OS for this?

Thanks!
-Jonas

   


My G4 1ghz cpu 1.2gb ram runs sweet on Tiger
..
Steve

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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Vic


On Apr 3, 10:38 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
 following specs:

 Hardware Overview:

   Machine Name: Power Mac G4
   Machine Model:        PowerMac3,6
   CPU Type:     PowerPC G4  (2.1)
   Number Of CPUs:       2
   CPU Speed:    1 GHz
   L2 Cache (per CPU):   256 KB
   L3 Cache (per CPU):   2 MB
   Memory:       2 GB
   Bus Speed:    133 MHz
   Boot ROM Version:     4.4.8f2

 What would be the fastest/best OS for this?

 Thanks!
 -Jonas

Tiger is the cat for that Mac.
V Mabus

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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread John Carmonne

On Apr 4, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Vic wrote:

 
 
 On Apr 3, 10:38 pm, Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
 following specs:
 
 Hardware Overview:
 
   Machine Name: Power Mac G4
   Machine Model:PowerMac3,6
   CPU Type: PowerPC G4  (2.1)
   Number Of CPUs:   2
   CPU Speed:1 GHz
   L2 Cache (per CPU):   256 KB
   L3 Cache (per CPU):   2 MB
   Memory:   2 GB
   Bus Speed:133 MHz
   Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2
 
 What would be the fastest/best OS for this?


What do you have for a display? Which video card? !0.5.8 has spaces that work 
real nice also the DVD player is better than Tiger. But all in all I  think 
Tiger rocks on any PPC.
But That's just me.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP


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Bus speeds

2010-04-04 Thread John Carmonne
Hi All

I have a G4 MDD Dual 1.25 the Bus speeds are 100, 66 and 33 if iI put a 133 
card in it will the machine run any faster or is it not worth it?
 
John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Bus speeds

2010-04-04 Thread John Niven
--- On Sun, 4/4/10, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 I have a G4 MDD Dual 1.25 the Bus speeds are 100, 66 and 33
 if I put a 133 card in it will the machine run any faster
 or is it not worth it?

http://support.apple.com/kb/SP63 says that you have a bus speed of 167MHz 
(really just memory/cpu speed), an ATA/100 disk interface and four 64-bit 33MHz 
pci slots. I'm going to assume that you are concerned about using a ATA/133 pci 
disk interface card.

If it's a 32bit (short) card it's only going to run at 33MHz. That means it may 
sustain a maximum throughput of 133Mbits, and just keep up with a ATA133 
interface. If it's a 64bit (long) card then it will do double that so no 
problem (64bit cards are always going to get the best out of the G4's 64bit 
slots).

You must have an ATA133 speced hard drive to make this improvement.

PATA drives are getting rare and ATA133 even rarer. The speed improvement would 
be very marginal, and I would recommend looking for a 64-bit wide SATA 
interface instead, which would mean you can use a modern SATA drive with a big 
cache and a fast rotational speed.

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Installing a MDD processor in a Quicksilver Power Mac

2010-04-04 Thread David Kendal
O hai.

I've got a 733MHz Quicksilver Power Mac G4, the 2001 edition. Can I
install a dual 1.25GHz processor from a Mirror Drive Door G4 along
with the heatsink from said MDD? Will the heatsink fit in the case?
I've found a pretty good deal on a processor card, and I want to know
if it will be a waste of money or not.

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Re: Bus speeds

2010-04-04 Thread John Carmonne

 
 PATA drives are getting rare and ATA133 even rarer. The speed improvement 
 would be very marginal, and I would recommend looking for a 64-bit wide SATA 
 interface instead, which would mean you can use a modern SATA drive with a 
 big cache and a fast rotational speed.


My MDD has four hard drive bays so can one SeriTek/1V4 PCI-X Serial ATA 
controller with four internal SATA connectors do the job? Does all the power 
come off one Molex connector?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Installing a MDD processor in a Quicksilver Power Mac

2010-04-04 Thread Len Gerstel


On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:02 AM, David Kendal wrote:


O hai.

I've got a 733MHz Quicksilver Power Mac G4, the 2001 edition. Can I
install a dual 1.25GHz processor from a Mirror Drive Door G4 along
with the heatsink from said MDD? Will the heatsink fit in the case?
I've found a pretty good deal on a processor card, and I want to know
if it will be a waste of money or not.

— David



Sorry, MDD processors will not fit in a QS or earlier, that is why it  
is a good deal. Your best stock Apple would be a dual 1GHz from  
another QS.


Len

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

2010-04-04 Thread Eric Volker
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Bill Connelly billycarm...@verizon.netwrote:


 On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:



 I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in an
 older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M-Audio
 hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised that they
 would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had recently done a
 clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure, with no change in KP
 behavior - even on a brand new OS install with the most recent drivers.

 My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and dumping
 the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR connections.
 Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would really prefer firewire
 and something like the Edirol FA-66, but unfortunately they are hard to
 find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They seem to be getting really good reviews
 and are well supported in the Mac universe. Only problem, they come with Pro
 Tools, which is an (Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage Band here I come ;-)

 Stephen


 Hi Stephen (and others on the list)

 If you read the other thread Re: Kernal Panics, Was ..., you'll see the
 trouble I just had ... seem to be back up ... til the next kp ...

 I'm doing some VHS to DV conversion, and I read along the way that USB
 wasn't as good as FW when it comes to real time transfer of data ... USB is
 in bursts and FW is more continuous (as I understand it).

 Not sure how this applies to audio ... if you're just transferring recorded
 data it might be ok ... if you're digitizing audio, its not, as I see it.
 But if you're going from today's devices to the Mac, you're already
 digitized ...

 May have nothing to do with your application ... I had wanted to merge my
 Yamaha motif es8 keyboard output, with Sibelius playback, and possibly mix
 in my horn recording at a later date. Trying to do this in real time ...
 using Sibelius / Keyboard as my accompanist.

 All controlled by my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz tied together by a Mackie
 1402 VLZPro mixer ...

 Wonder if there's a way we could fix those access / permissions and such?


 I had an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in my Mac for a long time. In my 800MHz
Quicksilver 2002 under older versions of Tiger it worked pretty well.
However, when I got a dual G5 I began having many issues. From what I can
tell, the old M-Audio driver really did not like dual CPUs. I eventually
moved it to a Hackintosh where, against all reason, it worked flawlessly
with a driver whipped up by an amateur hacker. M-Audio does have some new
Leopard drivers available that I haven't tried yet, but I wouldn't expect
much. For my G5, I eventually went with a PCI card that added a PCMCIA slot
to the G5, and plugged in an Echo Indigo IO. It was a bear to set up, but
once up was rock solid - and sounded great too. Note that I am not a
musician nor a sound engineer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Eric

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Re: Bus speeds

2010-04-04 Thread Stephen E. Bodnar

On 4/4/10 7:35 AM, John Carmonne wrote:




PATA drives are getting rare and ATA133 even rarer. The speed improvement would 
be very marginal, and I would recommend looking for a 64-bit wide SATA 
interface instead, which would mean you can use a modern SATA drive with a big 
cache and a fast rotational speed.



My MDD has four hard drive bays so can one SeriTek/1V4 PCI-X Serial ATA 
controller with four internal SATA connectors do the job? Does all the power 
come off one Molex connector?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP



I had an 867 Quicksilver that had 4 drives with a SeriTek card. It also 
had a dual 1.6 GHz upgrade. It ran really hot, but it ran.


Stephen

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

2010-04-04 Thread Stephen E. Bodnar

On 4/4/10 10:30 AM, Eric Volker wrote:

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Bill Connellybillycarm...@verizon.netwrote:



On Apr 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:






I'm still in Tiger land (10.4.11). I used to have this 2496 card in an
older Quicksilver with the same quirky KaPows (kernel panics). M-Audio
hasn't updated their drivers in a long time, I'm not surprised that they
would have incorrect permissions in Leopard (10.5). I had recently done a
clean install on my G5 after hard drive failure, with no change in KP
behavior - even on a brand new OS install with the most recent drivers.

My solution? I'm going to an external digital audio solution and dumping
the 2496. I sometimes need portable audio and XLR connections.
Unfortunately, USB seems to rule the roost - I would really prefer firewire
and something like the Edirol FA-66, but unfortunately they are hard to
find. I'm looking at the Mbox 2. They seem to be getting really good reviews
and are well supported in the Mac universe. Only problem, they come with Pro
Tools, which is an (Arg!) M-Audio product! Garage Band here I come ;-)

Stephen



Hi Stephen (and others on the list)

If you read the other thread Re: Kernal Panics, Was ..., you'll see the
trouble I just had ... seem to be back up ... til the next kp ...

I'm doing some VHS to DV conversion, and I read along the way that USB
wasn't as good as FW when it comes to real time transfer of data ... USB is
in bursts and FW is more continuous (as I understand it).

Not sure how this applies to audio ... if you're just transferring recorded
data it might be ok ... if you're digitizing audio, its not, as I see it.
But if you're going from today's devices to the Mac, you're already
digitized ...

May have nothing to do with your application ... I had wanted to merge my
Yamaha motif es8 keyboard output, with Sibelius playback, and possibly mix
in my horn recording at a later date. Trying to do this in real time ...
using Sibelius / Keyboard as my accompanist.

All controlled by my Quicksilver 2002 Dual 1GHz tied together by a Mackie
1402 VLZPro mixer ...

Wonder if there's a way we could fix those access / permissions and such?


I had an M-Audio Revolution 7.1 in my Mac for a long time. In my 800MHz

Quicksilver 2002 under older versions of Tiger it worked pretty well.
However, when I got a dual G5 I began having many issues. From what I can
tell, the old M-Audio driver really did not like dual CPUs. I eventually
moved it to a Hackintosh where, against all reason, it worked flawlessly
with a driver whipped up by an amateur hacker. M-Audio does have some new
Leopard drivers available that I haven't tried yet, but I wouldn't expect
much. For my G5, I eventually went with a PCI card that added a PCMCIA slot
to the G5, and plugged in an Echo Indigo IO. It was a bear to set up, but
once up was rock solid - and sounded great too. Note that I am not a
musician nor a sound engineer, so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

Eric



Aha! The dual processor is probably the issue. My old Quicksilver had a 
dual CPU upgrade. I just ordered a USB M-Box 2 as a replacement since my 
next Mac will probably be an Intel iMac, and I'll use it sometimes with 
my wife's MacBook. It will be interesting to see how it behaves with the 
dual G5.


Maybe I'll keep the 2496 and get a hackintosh! Do you have a link to the 
amateur driver? It's probably more professional than what the amateurs 
at M-Audio put out.


Stephen

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

2010-04-04 Thread Bill Connelly


On Apr 4, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Stephen E. Bodnar wrote:


On 4/4/10 10:30 AM, Eric Volker wrote:

Aha! The dual processor is probably the issue. My old Quicksilver  
had a dual CPU upgrade. I just ordered a USB M-Box 2 as a  
replacement since my next Mac will probably be an Intel iMac, and  
I'll use it sometimes with my wife's MacBook. It will be interesting  
to see how it behaves with the dual G5.


Maybe I'll keep the 2496 and get a hackintosh! Do you have a link to  
the amateur driver? It's probably more professional than what the  
amateurs at M-Audio put out.


Stephen



Wonder if that is part of the problem. It always looked like I got an  
error message about one of the CPUs not getting addressed / data  
correctly, as part of the kp dump.


The driver Eric was talking about is for the Revolution 7.1 ...  
probably not the same as for the M-Audio 2496? It appears to be about  
a year older than the last M-Audio driver for the 2496.


Still interested in contacting that driver hacker ... let me know if  
his link comes through!


Thanks

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Re: G5 and M-audio crash on boot

2010-04-04 Thread Bill Connelly
Oh ... I saw Kris Tilford say this in another post ... it reminded me  
another possible fix after an upgrade:


Do a Safe Boot, and then a Restart:

What Is:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1564

How To:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1455

Wish I remembered that this last time ... I had a blinking mouse and  
pulsing blue screen ... some kind of cycle that said something about  
501 couldn't be contacted ...


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Re: Apple update

2010-04-04 Thread John Carmonne

 
 I have a dual 2.7 and  it is 10.5.8 My RipIT is 1.4.1 and still no cigar. The 
 MBP is 10.6.3 and same issue. If I go back to before the update it works. I'm 
 now going to make a CCC and reinstall the update again. But strange it would 
 be on two different platforms.


I just did the Safe boot  and then restart like Kris wrote about and it took 
care of my MBP 10.6.3 but the PM G5 10.5.8 even after a reinstall of the 
Security update 2010-002 and the Safe Boot RipIT still fails, so I'll go back 
to my CCC and run that till somebody fixes this. I had this problem recently 
with Mac DVD Ripper Pro and the developer sent out a fix for PPC 10.5.8.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread dorayme

Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com Apr 03 09:38PM -0700 ^

Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
following specs:

Hardware Overview:

Machine Name:   Power Mac G4
Machine Model:  PowerMac3,6
CPU Type:   PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed:  1 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed:  133 MHz
Boot ROM Version:   4.4.8f2

What would be the fastest/best OS for this?


Tiger latest.

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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Bruce Johnson


On Apr 4, 2010, at 4:38 PM, dorayme wrote:


What would be the fastest/best OS for this?


Tiger latest.


Why does everyone want him to run a nearly obsolete OS on his Mac? A  
dual 1Ghz system will run 10.5 perfectly well.


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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Ken Daggett


On 4 Apr 2010, at 17:02:41 PDT, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Apr 4, 2010, at 4:38 PM, dorayme wrote:


What would be the fastest/best OS for this?


Tiger latest.


Why does everyone want him to run a nearly obsolete OS on his Mac?  
A dual 1Ghz system will run 10.5 perfectly well.

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Well, I use Classic or OS9 once in a while. I don't
believe 10.5 supports Classic.

Ken
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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Peter
Why not just use Leopard? It would work even better.

Peter M.


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-Original Message-
From: dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 09:38:51 
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Best OS for MDD

 Jonas Ulrich jonasulrich3...@gmail.com Apr 03 09:38PM -0700 ^

 Hi all, looking for some advice here. I have a MDD Tower with the
 following specs:

 Hardware Overview:

 Machine Name: Power Mac G4
 Machine Model:PowerMac3,6
 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
 Number Of CPUs:   2
 CPU Speed:1 GHz
 L2 Cache (per CPU):   256 KB
 L3 Cache (per CPU):   2 MB
 Memory:   2 GB
 Bus Speed:133 MHz
 Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2

 What would be the fastest/best OS for this?

Tiger latest.

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Re: Apple update

2010-04-04 Thread Bill Connelly


On Apr 4, 2010, at 7:36 PM, John Carmonne wrote:





I have a dual 2.7 and  it is 10.5.8 My RipIT is 1.4.1 and still no  
cigar. The MBP is 10.6.3 and same issue. If I go back to before the  
update it works. I'm now going to make a CCC and reinstall the  
update again. But strange it would be on two different platforms.



I just did the Safe boot  and then restart like Kris wrote about and  
it took care of my MBP 10.6.3 but the PM G5 10.5.8 even after a  
reinstall of the Security update 2010-002 and the Safe Boot RipIT  
still fails, so I'll go back to my CCC and run that till somebody  
fixes this. I had this problem recently with Mac DVD Ripper Pro and  
the developer sent out a fix for PPC 10.5.8.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP


Would re-installing the DVD software apps fix it?

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Re: Apple update

2010-04-04 Thread John Carmonne

 
 I just did the Safe boot  and then restart like Kris wrote about and it took 
 care of my MBP 10.6.3 but the PM G5 10.5.8 even after a reinstall of the 
 Security update 2010-002 and the Safe Boot RipIT still fails, so I'll go 
 back to my CCC and run that till somebody fixes this. I had this problem 
 recently with Mac DVD Ripper Pro and the developer sent out a fix for PPC 
 10.5.8.
 
 Would re-installing the DVD software apps fix it?
 


I've done that too. I think the problem is an issue with Leopard on PPC, I had 
the same deal earlier this year with MDRP on 10.5.8 on the G5 and G4 PMs. Also 
I probably don't even need whatever is on the 2010-002 update. Thank goodness 
for CCCs:-)

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Apple update

2010-04-04 Thread John Carmonne

 
 Would re-installing the DVD software apps fix it?

Thanks
I ran Drive Genius 2 on the drive and reinstalled the  2010-002 update again 
also reinstalled the RipIT application and now it's working. The reason for 
running drive Genius was because CCC said I had a minor error on the transfer 
and the log stated an apple.finder error so disk utility couldn't fix that. 
After Drive genius fixed it I went all through the installs again at all's well 
now.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Re: Best OS for MDD

2010-04-04 Thread Frank J. R. Hanstick

Hello,
	I upgraded my QuickSilver to a Newer Technology dual 1.73 GHz PowerPC  
G4 and have little problem beyond a protection violation once in a  
while; but, that is neither here nor there.  MacOS 10.5 does not  
support classic, so I have MacOS 10.5.8 on one drive and MacOS 10.4.11  
w/ OS 9.2 on another.  The system normally boots into 10.5.  If I wish  
to use 10.4 w/ Classic, I just hold down the option key when booting.


On Apr 4, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Ken Daggett wrote:



On 4 Apr 2010, at 17:02:41 PDT, Bruce Johnson wrote:


On Apr 4, 2010, at 4:38 PM, dorayme wrote:


What would be the fastest/best OS for this?


Tiger latest.


Why does everyone want him to run a nearly obsolete OS on his Mac?  
A dual 1Ghz system will run 10.5 perfectly well.

---
Well, I use Classic or OS9 once in a while. I don't
believe 10.5 supports Classic.

Ken
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