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Hi All

A new twist to my first problem. I can't get Disk Utility to do a Restore on 
either my G4 MDD or the PM G5 2.7 both machines have 10.5.8 leopard and both 
are PPC.

When I try to do a Restore the Disk Utility chokes out wit h an error  Could 
not establish communication with helper tool The same error on the G5.
Both machines perform the operation in Tiger. I have even reinstalled Leopard 
from another retail install disk. Both retail installers are universal.

I hve also installed new HDDs in both machines so I can't figure anything else 
I can do to fix this. any ideas? It works just fine on my Itel machine.


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Re: You received this message because...

What are you talking about?

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Re: Disk Utility choke

Hello try reinstalling your helper tool.

On 4/18/10, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi All

 A new twist to my first problem. I can't get Disk Utility to do a Restore on
 either my G4 MDD or the PM G5 2.7 both machines have 10.5.8 leopard and both
 are PPC.

 When I try to do a Restore the Disk Utility chokes out wit h an error
 Could not establish communication with helper tool The same error on the
 G5.
 Both machines perform the operation in Tiger. I have even reinstalled
 Leopard from another retail install disk. Both retail installers are
 universal.

 I hve also installed new HDDs in both machines so I can't figure anything
 else I can do to fix this. any ideas? It works just fine on my Itel machine.


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On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:28 AM, John Musbach wrote:

 What are you talking about?
 
Thanks I want to know that too:-)


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Re: Disk Utility choke


On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:29 AM, John Musbach wrote:

 Hello try reinstalling your helper tool.
 
 On 4/18/10, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi All
 
 A new twist to my first problem. I can't get Disk Utility to do a Restore on
 either my G4 MDD or the PM G5 2.7 both machines have 10.5.8 leopard and both
 are PPC.
 
 When I try to do a Restore the Disk Utility chokes out wit h an error
 Could not establish communication with helper tool The same error on the
 G5.
 Both machines perform the operation in Tiger. I have even reinstalled
 Leopard from another retail install disk. Both retail installers are
 universal.
 
 I hve also installed new HDDs in both machines so I can't figure anything
 else I can do to fix this. any ideas? It works just fine on my Itel machine.
 
 


I have reinstalled Leopard four times from two different Retail installers. 
Where do I find the helper tool?


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Re: Disk Utility choke

I have reinstalled Leopard four times from two different Retail  
installers. Where do I find the helper tool?



Is this what you need?
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26562/leopardassist

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card

2010-04-18 Thread Mike Linnett


Hmm, at least that narrows it down to the card
Can you see the disk in the left hand panel of disk utility when it's  
plugged into the pci card? It could be that disk utility is seeing it  
but it's not being mounted for sone reason. Not too likely though.

What does it say in system profiler under pci cards?
Mine says something like pci1106,3038__USB Universal Host  
ControllerYesPCISLOT-3

I think the important bit is the Yes in the Driver Installed column.
I can send you a screenshot off list if that'll make more sense

On 18 Apr 2010, at 00:55, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:


Has the drive been formatted already?
Does it show up in disk utility?

Yes, It's been formatted by disk Utility and shows up when connected  
to the native USB1 port on the Quicksilver and also when connected  
to a cheap USB 1 hub. The new PCI card is a USB 2.1?
However, originally I think the drive shipped as a Fat 32? which I  
erased because I tried to CCC a bootable system on it. That didn't  
work but I did get a successful back up. I was running OS X 10.3.9  
at the time and now I'm on Tiger 10.4.11


Name :  Iomega E xternal HD Media
Type :  Disk

Disk Identifier :   disk1
Media Name :Iomega E xternal HD Media
Media Type :Generic
Connection Bus :USB
IO Content :Apple_partition_scheme
Writable :  Yes
Ejectable : Yes
Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed :Yes
Location :  External
Total Capacity :931.5 GB (1,000,204,886,016 Bytes)
S.M.A.R.T. status : Not Supported
Disk Number :   1
Partition Number :  0

The partitions are @ 310 gigs each x 3

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card

2010-04-18 Thread Mike Linnett

Oh yea, the other suggestion would be to take the external enclosure  
apart and just plug the hard drive in inside the machine, which again,  
might not be that much use!


On 18 Apr 2010, at 18:09, Mike Linnett mike.dogho...@googlemail.com  
wrote:



Hmm, at least that narrows it down to the card
Can you see the disk in the left hand panel of disk utility when  
it's plugged into the pci card? It could be that disk utility is  
seeing it but it's not being mounted for sone reason. Not too likely  
though.

What does it say in system profiler under pci cards?
Mine says something like pci1106,3038__USB Universal Host  
ControllerYesPCISLOT-3
I think the important bit is the Yes in the Driver Installed  
column.

I can send you a screenshot off list if that'll make more sense

On 18 Apr 2010, at 00:55, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:


Has the drive been formatted already?
Does it show up in disk utility?

Yes, It's been formatted by disk Utility and shows up when  
connected to the native USB1 port on the Quicksilver and also when  
connected to a cheap USB 1 hub. The new PCI card is a USB 2.1?
However, originally I think the drive shipped as a Fat 32? which I  
erased because I tried to CCC a bootable system on it. That didn't  
work but I did get a successful back up. I was running OS X 10.3.9  
at the time and now I'm on Tiger 10.4.11


Name :  Iomega E xternal HD Media
Type :  Disk

Disk Identifier :   disk1
Media Name :Iomega E xternal HD Media
Media Type :Generic
Connection Bus :USB
IO Content :Apple_partition_scheme
Writable :  Yes
Ejectable : Yes
Mac OS 9 Drivers Installed :Yes
Location :  External
Total Capacity :931.5 GB (1,000,204,886,016 Bytes)
S.M.A.R.T. status : Not Supported
Disk Number :   1
Partition Number :  0

The partitions are @ 310 gigs each x 3

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Re: Disk Utility choke


On Apr 18, 2010, at 9:56 AM, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

 I have reinstalled Leopard four times from two different Retail installers. 
 Where do I find the helper tool?
 
 
 Is this what you need?
 http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/26562/leopardassist



No my PM G4 MDD is a Dual 1.25 and the PM G5 is a Dual 2.7. Leopard installs 
direct.


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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


mike.dogho...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hmm, at least that narrows it down to the card
Can you see the disk in the left hand panel of disk utility when it's  
plugged into the pci card? It could be that disk utility is seeing it  
but it's not being mounted for sone reason. Not too likely though.

What does it say in system profiler under pci cards?
Mine says something like pci1106,3038__USB Universal Host  
ControllerYesPCISLOT-3

I think the important bit is the Yes in the Driver Installed column.
I can send you a screenshot off list if that'll make more sense


In System Profiler the USB Device Tree has much to reveal:
Top 2 are native ports, OHCI compliant
USB Bus:

  Host Controller Location: Built In USB
  Host Controller Driver:   AppleUSBOHCI
  PCI Device ID:0x0019
  PCI Revision ID:  0x0001
  PCI Vendor ID:0x106b
  Bus Number:   0x18

USB Bus:

  Host Controller Location: Built In USB
  Host Controller Driver:   AppleUSBOHCI
  PCI Device ID:0x0019
  PCI Revision ID:  0x0001
  PCI Vendor ID:0x106b
  Bus Number:   0x19

The bottom 3 are the PCI card, although I have 4 ports on it, it  
shows 3. The bottom port has a different Device ID 3104 and is  
indicated as High Speed. The HS 3104 port indicates a Host Controller  
Driver: AppleUSBEHCI. This info is taken from the USB entry on left  
column os Sys. Profil.


However, from the PCI entry of left column, I get 2- 3038 devices  
withUHControllers and a 3104 entry with no controller. The  
AppleUSBEHCI driver is invisible under the PCI Cards info window.  
BTW, where did the fourth port go. Actually all 4 external ports work  
but at slow speed. I better look inside to see if there is a fifth  
port. It still doesn't make sense because System Profiler only sees 3  
ports??? Where would I go looking for an EHCI driver?


Roman


USB Bus:

  Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot
  Host Controller Driver:   AppleUSBUHCI
  PCI Device ID:0x3038
  PCI Revision ID:  0x0061
  PCI Vendor ID:0x1106
  Bus Number:   0x12

USB Bus:

  Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot
  Host Controller Driver:   AppleUSBUHCI
  PCI Device ID:0x3038
  PCI Revision ID:  0x0061
  PCI Vendor ID:0x1106
  Bus Number:   0x32

USB High-Speed Bus:

  Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot
  Host Controller Driver:   AppleUSBEHCI
  PCI Device ID:0x3104
  PCI Revision ID:  0x0063
  PCI Vendor ID:0x1106
  Bus Number:   0x52

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card



I may have found something here. There have been tons of problems  
reported about the high speed driver being missing on intel macs.  
This solution is different and the closest thing I've found. Can  
someone elaborate on this?

Thanks,
Roman


http://macosx.com/forums/mac-os-x-system-mac-software/291676-external- 
harddisk-unrecognized.html



I've just had the exact same problem. Now its solved.

My external harddrive which works on all other macs, windows, linux  
machines I've ever tried, suddenly decided not to work on this  
PowerBook G4.


System Profiler found it ok

but dmesg gave me
USBF: 2589. 70 AppleUSBEHCI[0x14ec800]::Found a transaction which  
hasn't moved in 5 seconds on bus 91, timing out!



i used a special usb cable (comes with some external hd's) with two  
connectors to get power from a second usb port. and voila, problem  
solved.


so the problem turned out to be power related, must be enough power  
for the usb to recognise the device, but not enough to actually use  
it. need to use the power from two usb ports.


cheers








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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


Here it is:

http://www.cooldrives.com/usb-power-cable-mini-b.html

Roman

Can someone confirm that this will solve my external USB High Speed  
Problem please.

Thank you,
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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


On Apr 18, 2010, at 12:22 PM, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

 Here it is:
 
 http://www.cooldrives.com/usb-power-cable-mini-b.html
 
 Roman
 
 Can someone confirm that this will solve my external USB High Speed Problem 
 please.
 Thank you,
 Roman


If you have a USB external drive that wont mount usually a dual cable is the 
answer, however you can get one a lot cheaper than this on eBay.

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


Thanks John,
Just finding the answer was more important than the price. There is  
always a better price. I googled for 3 hours to find out about a  
double headed USB cable.

Thanks again,
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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


On Apr 18, 2010, at 12:47 PM, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

 Thanks John,
 Just finding the answer was more important than the price. There is always a 
 better price. I googled for 3 hours to find out about a double headed USB 
 cable.
 Thanks again,
 Roman
I use ones like this they usually come with the drives.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USB-Cable-Dual-Power-2-x-Type-A-to-mini-B-USB-2-0_W0QQitemZ220482723646QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3355cb5f3e

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


On Apr 18, 2010, at 12:47 PM, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:



Thanks John,
Just finding the answer was more important than the price. There is  
always a better price. I googled for 3 hours to find out about a  
double headed USB cable.

Thanks again,
Roman


I use ones like this they usually come with the drives.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USB-Cable-Dual-Power-2-x-Type-A-to-mini-B- 
USB-2-0_W0QQitemZ220482723646QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0? 
hash=item3355cb5f3e


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP

Now we are getting somewhere. Big Difference. I usually shop at  
Goodwill or the Sally Ann. It's nice to know what to look for, and  
the right price break.

Warm regards,
Roman

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Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 8 Topics

What did the electrition you called have to say about this incident?

On 4/17/10, JIM RAPER jazpe...@shawneelink.net wrote:
  Topic: My G5 won't start
 uphttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/711c292c38c26db8

JIM RAPER jazpe...@shawneelink.net Apr 16 06:58PM -0500
 ^#128099664707369b_digest_top

Hi, Y'All, This morning when I went into my computer/library, I
detected a
strong electrical smell. The computer system had been shut down
Thursday
night and was still off this morning.  About 3:30 p.m. I used a
flashlight to reconnect only my G-5 computer
system, punched the start button on the front, and got ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING.
Now I'm really concerned, scared, almost terrified. I've had this G-5
only
since Dec '09. No trouble except the usual noisy fan(s).

Can someone give me a checklist to go through before I haul this heavy
behemoth 50+ miles to a repair dealership.

My invoice from Powermax lists it as Used Power Mac G5 PCI-X/2.5 GHz
Dual
Processor 2GB RAM160 GB internal drive, internal SuperDriveKbrd, mouse
ATI
Radeon 9600 XT Video OS 10.4.11 installed usual 90 day warranty gone
past of
course.

Please suggest away. Jim




Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Apr 16 05:11PM -0700
 ^#128099664707369b_digest_top

On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:58 PM, JIM RAPER wrote:

 strong electrical smell. The computer system had been shut down
 Thursday
 night and was still off this morning.

If the Mac was shut down it's VERY unlikely it's the Mac.
 Now I'm really concerned, scared, almost terrified. I've had this
 G-5 only
 since Dec '09. No trouble except the usual noisy fan(s).

Where is that Mac plugged in? I suspect that outlet is what fried.
Personally, I'd wait for the electrician, or someone like him.


 I replaced the G5 with this old Sawtooth and had and am having NO problem
 and am using same cables, power cords, etc. in the same power strip spots.
 Is  ALL power  off just because I have Shutdown my computer? Could a
 coolant leak still short out the system.









6PM -0500 ^ #128099664707369b_digest_top

On Friday 16 April 2010 06:58:54 pm JIM RAPER wrote
snip
 system, punched the start button on the front, and got ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING.
 Now I'm really concerned, scared, almost terrified. I've had this G-5
only
 since Dec '09. No trouble except the usual noisy fan(s).
/snip


Check for coolant leaks, since it's a dual 2.5. Check here for more
details:
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/G5_coolant_leaks.html



 This is even scarier. I have no User Manual, but I will google to find out
 how to and where to check for coolant leak.



Hope this helps,
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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card

2010-04-18 Thread Kris Tilford

On Apr 18, 2010, at 2:22 PM, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:

Here it is:

http://www.cooldrives.com/usb-power-cable-mini-b.html

Roman

Can someone confirm that this will solve my external USB High Speed
Problem please.

I'm not following this thread closely, so I may be off target.

I don't believe this cable will help you.

Your card is a VIA chipset card (Vendor ID 0x1106). Most VIA chipset
cards don't work very well with OS X, and required at separate VIA
extension to be installed in order to work. VIA didn't update the
extension (it may be natively supported by Apple in Leopard?), so it
only worked well for PPC Macs up into Tiger 10.4. To further cause
problems, the driver has disappeared from the VIA support site, so it
may be hard to find for download. It appears to be available from the
Internet Archive Wayback Machine:

http://web.archive.org/web/20080619152013/http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420OSID=23CatID=2470SubCatID=122

If you can install the VIA driver perhaps that can help? Otherwise, my
advise is to forget about the VIA card and get another card with a
different chipset maker that is better supported on Mac. I've read
that NEC is good, but there are probably many. You got unlucky with
VIA, the one chipset that seems to have problems on Mac.

Also, sometimes the USB enclosures have USB bridge chipsets that can
be problematic for Macs. Sometimes there are firmware updates for the
enclosures themselves that can help mounting problems, but this is
increasingly rare, especially on a newer enclosure. I couldn't see the
firmware revision or chipset information on the IOMEGA enclosure from
what you've posted so far (look in your System Profiler), but it's not
very likely that this would be an issue, but if it is, an update can
sometimes help.

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RE: Generic USB 2 PCI card



 Your card is a VIA chipset card (Vendor ID 0x1106). Most VIA chipset  
 cards don't work very well with OS X, and required at separate VIA  
 extension to be installed in order to work. VIA didn't update the  
 extension (it may be natively supported by Apple in Leopard?), so it  
 only worked well for PPC Macs up into Tiger 10.4. To further cause  
 problems, the driver has disappeared from the VIA support site, so it  
 may be hard to find for download. It appears to be available from the  
 Internet Archive Wayback Machine:

Firstly - make sure you only buy an external hard drive that plugs into your 
110 or 240v wall socket as well as the USB. A lot of drives these days don't 
and when you plug it in to the USB port on a computer , the USB port cannot 
supply enough power on its own for it to work properly.
A second USB cable to beef up the power to the drive can work but I still 
prefer AC power to run the drive.

Secondly - a Mac only USB2.0 PCI card will usually cost quite a bit more but 
there are a number of PC only cards that work just as well for a lot less.
To get optimal results from a USB 2.0 PCI card to run in a Mac, get a card that 
has the NEC chipset. Via and Ali chipsets are problematic - mostly sleep 
related issues, and should be avoided.
Some USB 2.0 cards that have the NEC chipset are:

Adaptec 3100LP
BAFO BF-460
Belkin F5U220
GWC UC-160
IOGear GIC250U
IOGear GIC251U
Keyspan U2PCI-5
O'toLink U2-C2B
O'toLink U2-C2A
O'toLink U2-P20N
O'toLink U2-P50
Ratoc PCIU5
USBWholesale UII-PCIP

I'm sure there are others but I haven't tried them so if anyone has a different 
USB2.0 PCI card that works without issue on a Mac let me know and I'll add it 
to my list.

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Re: PM G5 front panel FW port


 On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:56 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi All
 
  I have a PM G5 2.7 Dual that apparently has a dead FW port on the front 
 panel,  Kinda strange that the port supplies power but no data transfer??  So 
 I have a repair manual that is very detailed for this particular machine.
 

Well after replacing the front panel board and when that didn't fix it I 
repaced the cable from the panel board to the logic board and still no cigar so 
I fear the next step is to
replace the logic board PITA.  I ran the ASD on it and it says everything is 
OK. Any ideas out there? The USB port in the panel works FWIW.

John Carmonne
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RE: Generic USB 2 PCI card





In System Profiler the USB Device Tree has much to reveal:Top 2 are native 
ports, OHCI compliant USB Bus:
  Host Controller Location: Built In USB  Host Controller Driver:   
AppleUSBOHCI  PCI Device ID:0x0019  PCI Revision ID:0x0001  PCI 
Vendor ID:  0x106b  Bus Number: 0x18
USB Bus:
  Host Controller Location: Built In USB  Host Controller Driver:   
AppleUSBOHCI  PCI Device ID:0x0019  PCI Revision ID:0x0001  PCI 
Vendor ID:  0x106b  Bus Number: 0x19
The bottom 3 are the PCI card, although I have 4 ports on it, it shows 3. The 
bottom port has a different Device ID 3104 and is indicated as High Speed. The 
HS 3104 port indicates a Host Controller Driver: AppleUSBEHCI. This info is 
taken from the USB entry on left column os Sys. Profil.However, from the PCI 
entry of left column, I get 2- 3038 devices withUHControllers and a 3104 entry 
with no controller. The AppleUSBEHCI driver is invisible under the PCI Cards 
info window. BTW, where did the fourth port go. Actually all 4 external ports 
work but at slow speed. I better look inside to see if there is a fifth port. 
It still doesn't make sense because System Profiler only sees 3 ports??? Where 
would I go looking for an EHCI driver?Roman

USB Bus:
  Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot  Host Controller Driver: 
AppleUSBUHCI  PCI Device ID:0x3038  PCI Revision ID:0x0061  PCI 
Vendor ID:  0x1106  Bus Number: 0x12
USB Bus:
  Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot  Host Controller Driver: 
AppleUSBUHCI  PCI Device ID:0x3038  PCI Revision ID:0x0061  PCI 
Vendor ID:  0x1106  Bus Number: 0x32
USB High-Speed Bus:
  Host Controller Location: Expansion Slot  Host Controller Driver: 
AppleUSBEHCI  PCI Device ID:0x3104  PCI Revision ID:0x0063  PCI 
Vendor ID:  0x1106  Bus Number: 0x52






UHCI And therein may lie your problem.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_controller_interface
A quick search on Wikipedia turns up this page and especially this comment...


Universal Host Controller Interface (UHCI) was created by Intel for USB 1.0 
(full and low speeds).

Far from being universal, it is actually proprietary and is incompatible with 
OHCI. Intel and VIA controllers generally use UHCI, while other vendors use 
OHCI.



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RE: PM G5 front panel FW port



 
  On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:56 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
  Hi All
  
   I have a PM G5 2.7 Dual that apparently has a dead FW port on the front 
  panel,  Kinda strange that the port supplies power but no data transfer??  
  So I have a repair manual that is very detailed for this particular machine.
  
 
 Well after replacing the front panel board and when that didn't fix it I 
 repaced the cable from the panel board to the logic board and still no cigar 
 so I fear the next step is to
 replace the logic board PITA.  I ran the ASD on it and it says everything is 
 OK. Any ideas out there? The USB port in the panel works FWIW.
 
 John Carmonne
 Yorba Linda USA
 Sent from my MBP

A quicker and cheaper solution if you don't find the cause to be anything other 
than replacing the logicboard is to buy a firewire PCI card with an an internal 
header or port on it and connect this to your front firewire port.
It should end up working exactly the same.
I'm unsure whether the connections on the internal cable are exactly the same 
though. You may have to use an adapter if not

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G3 to G3

2010-04-18 Thread tl

I just bought another G3 and wish to transfer all data from my old one
to the new one. Can I do this by USB or do I need to get a Firewire
cable?

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Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread tentengrrl

Hi,
I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps unexpectedly 
quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other times, 5 min or 
10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do the same thing.
It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 10.4.11 
and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, 
after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to 
just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, 
Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still learning 
as I go along!
When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be attributed 
to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally random.
Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy more 
RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some other cause would 
help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop a 
lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
Thanks!Lisa


  

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Re: G3 to G3

2010-04-18 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 9:42 PM, tl headbon...@gmail.com wrote:
 I just bought another G3 and wish to transfer all data from my old one
 to the new one. Can I do this by USB or do I need to get a Firewire
 cable?

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RE: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3





Hi,
I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps unexpectedly 
quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other times, 5 min or 
10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do the same thing.
It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 10.4.11 
and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
restart, Safari
 goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, after using only 
one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to just not enough RAM 
to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, Preview, Safari, and 
stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still learning as I go along!
When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be attributed 
to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally random.
Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy more 
RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some
 other cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop a 
lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
Thanks!Lisa
Kernel panics are usually memory related so you are on the right track.


  


You can download and install 'Rember or Memtest which are utilities that run 
a series of stress tests on your memory.
Rember is the same as the other but easier to use as it is a GUI rather than 
command line terminal application.
Rember v 0.3.4b for OSX 10.3.9 -10.4 is what you are after.

http://www.kelleycomputing.net/rember/

Personally I'd find the correct retail Tiger disks , wipe the hard drive and 
reinstall the OS.
There may be some other problem concerning the existing OS and software 
conflicts on your hard drive that you have inherited.Simply upgrading the 
operating system with that combo update may not have fixed that.

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

I happen to also have a Graphite g3 iMac 600Mhz, so I can help here. If the
program is quitting unexpectedly, try making sure that you aren't running
 too many programs at once. Also, update safari to version 4.0.3 using the
software update program in system preferences. I have had the same problem
before i got my firmware updated, and before i packed in a gig of RAM. now,
it's flawlessly running tiger. Go to the software update and check to see if
you need a firmware update or upgrade. If so, it will only take a few
minutes to do so. If you can't see an upgrade for the firmware in the iMac,
try booting into Mac OS 9. Mac OS 9 was the only was my iMac was able to
properly install the firmware update.

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RE: G3 to G3

 Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:42:03 -0700
 Subject: G3 to G3
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 I just bought another G3 and wish to transfer all data from my old one
 to the new one. Can I do this by USB or do I need to get a Firewire
 cable?

If one of them only has USB1 and the other has USB2.0 then your transfer speed 
will still be limited to USB1 speeds - the weakest link scenario.
If they both have firewire then that is what I'd use.
FW cables can be had very cheaply on ebay for a few dollars.

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Re: G3 to G3

It's better off connecting the 2 computers using ethernet cables, then in
system preferences, go to sharing, and turn on file sharing. do this for
both computers. Then go to the GO menu in finder. click connect to
server. then, using the information that was provided to you in the system
preferences, type it in the bar, or browse for your computers. Using the
computer you want to transfer the files from, mount the network HDD (which
is the other computer's HDD). and then drag your files to there.

make sure that when plugging the ethernet cables, one end is plugged into
the ethernet port, the other is on a router. this must be the same on both
systems.

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Re: PM G5 front panel FW port

You can get an internal PCI firewire card with an internal header at your
local best buy. here is the direct link to it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dynex%26%23174%3B+-+3-Port+FireWire/IEEE+1394+PCI+Card/6307392.p?id=1074787927900skuId=6307392

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread Ted Treen


Mark Sokolovsky wrote:
I happen to also have a Graphite g3 iMac 600Mhz, so I can help here. 
If the program is quitting unexpectedly, try making sure that you 
aren't running  too many programs at once. Also, update safari to 
version 4.0.3 using the software update program in system preferences. 
I have had the same problem before i got my firmware updated, and 
before i packed in a gig of RAM. now, it's flawlessly running tiger. 
Go to the software update and check to see if you need a firmware 
update or upgrade. If so, it will only take a few minutes to do so. If 
you can't see an upgrade for the firmware in the iMac, try booting 
into Mac OS 9. Mac OS 9 was the only was my iMac was able to properly 
install the firmware update.


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All of the foregoing, BUT:-

256MB is nowhere near enough to run 10.4 in a happy stable manner.

512MB is marginal, too.

Safari has long been a memory leaker (IIRC that applied to Safari 3 as 
well as 4).


Your iMac will support 1GB RAM. You can use pc133 as well as pc100, but 
it will only work at 100 speeds, although it's easier (and cheaper) to find.


I would recommend you max out the RAM.

Ted

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Re: PM G5 front panel FW port

That one doesn't have an internal header, but i have one with an internal
header.

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread Jim Scott


On Apr 18, 2010, at 2:22 PM, tentengrrl wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
 docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
 
 The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
 unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other 
 times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do 
 the same thing.
 
 It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 
 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
 
 Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
 by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
 restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, 
 after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to 
 just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, 
 Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still 
 learning as I go along!
 
 When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
 address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
 definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
 crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
 the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be 
 attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally 
 random.
 
 Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy 
 more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some other 
 cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
 
 I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop 
 a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
 
 Thanks!
 Lisa

Lisa,

From your description, it sounds very much as if you're on the right track 
with RAM problems. OS X 10.4 is picky about RAM, and G3 iMacs running Tiger 
are even pickier. The two RAM slots in G3 slot-loading iMacs *must* have two 
sticks with identical specs to avoid kernel panics and related problems, such 
as programs freezing. The sticks can have different amounts of RAM, i.e. 128, 
256, 512 MB, but they both must be PC100-322-620 or PC 133-222-620, etc., with 
the same latencies. 

I first try to get two sticks from the same manufacturer (the labels themselves 
may or may not tell me enough information), then try to match the specs. I aim 
for at least 384 MB with Tiger, and know it will be happy with 512 MB or more 
of matching RAM. The only utility I know will tell me if the RAM is compatible 
with the iMac and with each other is the Apple Hardware Test for iMac, version 
1.2 (for a G3/600). So I get a pile of sticks, put a couple in, boot from the 
AHT disk and check the RAM specs. If they are identical (even if from different 
manufacturers), then I run the Quick test. If that passes, then I run the 
Extended. If that passes, then the chances are very good that the iMac will be 
able to run Tiger without throwing kernel panics, etc., as you have reported. 
If the tests fail, I substitute one sticks, check the specs, etc.

You most likely have mismatched RAM sticks. What happens is that at random 
moments the operating system or an application will issue a call that can't be 
parsed because one stick of RAM is running just slightly out of sync with the 
other one. It's maddening, but the solution is to install a pair of matched 
sticks, even if they're from different manufacturers.

HTH,

Jim

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

that's exactly what i did. i packed in a gig of RAM. You should see what
kind of a happy camper mt PM G4 is with tiger and leopard under 2GB of RAM.

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


Thanks Kris,
I'll explore this. I think the chipset issue may be OK. Vendor ID   
0x059b
I have run into the VIA problem with a webcam and decided the PINE  
CAM was a dead end. However, I haven't tried the wayback machine yet.

Will let you know soon.
Roman



Iomega:

  Capacity: 931.51 GB
  Removable Media:  Yes
  Detachable Drive: Yes
  BSD Name: disk1
  Version:  1.0f
  Bus Power (mA):   500
  Speed:Up to 12 Mb/sec
  Manufacturer: Iomega
  OS9 Drivers:  Yes
  Product ID:   0x0370
  Serial Number:FF310005206FF0BCFF
  S.M.A.R.T. status:Not Supported
  Vendor ID:0x059b
  Volumes:

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

It is more efficient and better off to have two of the same RAM sticks to
avoid problems such as kernel panics like the other guy said. I avoided many
performance issues with 2 512MB sticks on my iMac. If you need to upgrade
the RAM in your system to 1GB, I suggest you use this site below. It is a
site that actually still manufactures parts for older PowerPC macs, even
macs that go all the way back to the Quadra series! This website is very
trustworthy. I bought from it many times, and they have warranties for every
product. Trust me, you might find some whacky stuff in here such as a
modbook. A modbook is a fully touchscreen laptop they make out of macbooks,
ibooks, and powerbooks. it costs around $800 to make one using the one you
have, or you can order a new one for $1100.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/100SD512328/

Also, make sure you get a firmware upgrade. That will help too like i
explained earlier.

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card


Thanks Stewie,
Humbug. Thanks for the list of Nec compatables.
Regards,
Roman

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Re: G3 to G3


On Apr 18, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Mark Sokolovsky wrote:

 It's better off connecting the 2 computers using ethernet cables, then in 
 system preferences, go to sharing, and turn on file sharing. do this for both 
 computers. Then go to the GO menu in finder. click connect to server. 
 then, using the information that was provided to you in the system 
 preferences, type it in the bar, or browse for your computers. Using the 
 computer you want to transfer the files from, mount the network HDD (which is 
 the other computer's HDD). and then drag your files to there.
 
 make sure that when plugging the ethernet cables, one end is plugged into the 
 ethernet port, the other is on a router. this must be the same on both 
 systems.
 
If the machines are OSX then Migration Assistant is the way to go on this, if 
not a finder drag will do it.

John Carmonne
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Re: G3 to G3

A finder drag works for me, but migration assistant works too.

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread Richard Gerome

 Max the ram for sure like a lot of people said on here!!! Also you might want to try running Camino or FireFox ... Go to their websites and download the versions for Tiger, also update Java and any latest security updates... Tiger is getting too old for a lot of web browsers now, I also heard some people say to delete Dash Board too??? I never tried that though??? Running Tiger on a G3 is a little slow to begin with... I down loaded SeaMonkey and it runs very well except the English version is in German, I don't know why and I couldn't find a version in English yet...-Original Message-
From: tentengrrl 
Sent: Apr 18, 2010 5:22 PM
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

Hi,I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do the same thing.It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no.Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I restart, Safari
 goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still learning as I go along!When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure. I just can't get a definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to "just totally random".Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some
 other cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?Thanks!Lisa

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3


On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Richard Gerome wrote:

 
Max the ram for sure like a lot of people said on here!!! Also you might 
 want to try running Camino or FireFox ... Go to their websites and download 
 the versions for Tiger, also update Java and any latest security updates... 
 Tiger is getting too old for a lot of web browsers now, I also heard some 
 people say to delete Dash Board too??? I never tried that though??? Running 
 Tiger on a G3 is a little slow to begin with... I down loaded SeaMonkey and 
 it runs very well except the English version is in German, I don't know why 
 and I couldn't find a version in English yet...
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: tentengrrl 
 Sent: Apr 18, 2010 5:22 PM 
 To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3 
 
 Hi,
 
 I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
 stick to test my problem. I want to use it for basic internet, Word 
 docs/Preview, etc and these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.
 
 The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
 unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour and other 
 times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other programs MIGHT do 
 the same thing.
 
 It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 
 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no. 
 
 Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks and slots 
 by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will unexpectedly quit, I 
 restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, and then a crash. Sometimes, 
 after using only one stick I think the spinning beach ball freeze is due to 
 just not enough RAM to load a page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, 
 Preview, Safari, and stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still 
 learning as I go along!
 
 When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and Kern-invalid 
 address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.  I just can't get a 
 definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but sometimes it does ramp up, 
 crashing quicker and quicker but I can't determine if it's one stick/slot all 
 the way. I have looked online and this seems not uncommon and to be 
 attributed to bad RAM to a preferences file all the way to just totally 
 random.
 
 Does anyone have more info on this to shed some light? I was going to buy 
 more RAM anyway soon but any info pertaining to what might be some other 
 cause would help a lot. It's driving me crazy.
 
 I don't have any disks to run hardware tests and I don't really care to drop 
 a lot of money into this iMac at this time. Is this a lost cause?
 
 Thanks!
 Lisa

Camino is the best Safari has too many crashes for me. I use Camino on my Wally 
300 with Tiger and 512 RAM never a blip.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
Sent from my MBP






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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread tentengrrl

I'll get the firmware upgrade, too, thanks. Just got a PRAM battery from them, 
good site. Not too sound cheap-o but is something like 800Memory or some such 
site I saw not that great for RAM? It does seem like things can be a gamble and 
common sense must be used but I'm reluctant to put too much money in the iMac 
as it only has a CD-ROM drive :(  If it could burn cds already it'd be so much 
better!

--- On Sun, 4/18/10, Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Mark Sokolovsky coolmar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3
To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, April 18, 2010, 3:22 PM

It is more efficient and better off to have two of the same RAM sticks to avoid 
problems such as kernel panics like the other guy said. I avoided many 
performance issues with 2 512MB sticks on my iMac. If you need to upgrade the 
RAM in your system to 1GB, I suggest you use this site below. It is a site that 
actually still manufactures parts for older PowerPC macs, even macs that go all 
the way back to the Quadra series! This website is very trustworthy. I bought 
from it many times, and they have warranties for every product. Trust me, you 
might find some whacky stuff in here such as a modbook. A modbook is a fully 
touchscreen laptop they make out of macbooks, ibooks, and powerbooks. it costs 
around $800 to make one using the one you have, or you can order a new one for 
$1100.

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/100SD512328/
Also, make sure you get a firmware upgrade. That will help too like i explained 
earlier.



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Re: You received this message because...

2010-04-18 Thread Judith Berkowitz



On Apr 18, 7:30 am, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:
 On Apr 18, 2010, at 7:28 AM, John Musbach wrote:

  What are you talking about?

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Re: You received this message because...

2010-04-18 Thread JOHN CARMONNE





When in Digest Mode, at the end of each and every message, the Low End
Mac Footer has been repeating over and over and over again with the
posting and the answer to it.

Usually, and in the other LEM Lists I receive (all in Digest Mode),
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The LEM Footer appears only once at the end of the Digest.

On this particular post to which I am replying now, I have deleted the
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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread Jim Scott


On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:17 PM, tentengrrl wrote:

 Jim, re: the same latencies of RAM sticks, is it enough to grab info from the 
 System Profiler? see: PC-100-2225 for each of them. Does this mean they DO 
 match-- and thus, does it now sound like perhaps one stick might be bad? I've 
 just been keeping in one stick and it's been ok since I'm working on Preview 
 w/iTunes mostly but I've been able to surf a bit as well. I'm amazed I could 
 do that w/so little RAM though now it seems unable to keep Safari open no 
 matter what stick is in. 

System Profiler doesn't tell you what the latency specs are; Apple Hardware 
Test does. If you see PC100-2225 for each of them in System Profiler, that 
doesn't necessarily mean their latency figures are the same. One might be CL2: 
7.5 and CL3: 10, the other might be CL2: 10 and CL3: 12, or something like 
that. The difference in latency is where the kernel problems, crashes and 
freezes come in.

OTOH, you may have discovered the bad stick, which I suspect is not really 
bad but is incompatible with your system and/or the other stick, which is more 
compatible with your system. 

Tiger will boot and run, slowwwly, with 128 MB RAM. Not that you'd want 
to do that, of course.

Jim

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Re: Generic USB 2 PCI card

2010-04-18 Thread Kris Tilford


On Apr 18, 2010, at 5:21 PM, roman...@ideal-access.com wrote:


I think the chipset issue may be OK. Vendor ID  0x059b


The chipset is sometimes separate from the reported Vendor ID  Device  
ID. For example, many external enclosure use Oxford FW400 chipsets,  
and in this case, the chipmaker Oxford provides customer level  
firmware. However the OEM manufacturers often use custom firmware that  
identifies the Vender  Device as something within their own company  
rather than Oxford. In your case, this USB-to-SATA bridge board is  
being identified as Iomega which to my knowledge doesn't manufacture  
chips, they manufacture enclosures. This means the real chipset  
would need to be identified by actually inspecting the chip to get the  
manufacturer  model #.


A Google search of the Vendor ID  Device ID (0x059b0x0370) seems  
to turn up a litany of crash reports, all on Macs. This is a really  
bad omen, it appears that this external enclosure seems to be involved  
somehow in crashes of many applications including Final Cut Pro,  
FileMaker, HandBrake and others. These applications are all HD  
intensive applications, so it appears you've been doubly unlucky, you  
have a VIA chipset PCI card that has issues, and you also have an  
Iomega external USB enclosure that appears to have Mac specific issues  
that causes multiple HD intensive applications to crash.


Another bothersome aspect is the firmware. Your Iomega drive reports  
firmware version 1.0f while others having the exact same Vendor ID   
Device ID are reporting different firmware such as f6.15. Normally  
identical Vendor ID  Device ID would have identical firmware, and  
these two version #'s don't seemingly come from the same firmware  
series. It's possible that Iomega is using multiple chipset  
manufacturers and hiding this by using identical Vendor ID  Device ID  
for very different but similar looking products. I think you've got a  
double whammy mess, and you probably need both a different PCI USB  
Card and a different HD enclosure.


http://www.google.com/search?q=%220x059b%22%220x0370%22btnG=Search

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread dorayme


tentengrrl tenteng...@yahoo.com Apr 18 02:22PM -0700 ^




Hi,
I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took  
out one 256 stick to test my problem.


How can you test things if you take out all the RAM? Surely 250MB not  
250k?



I want to use it for basic internet, Word docs/Preview, etc and  
these are generally fine but will crash once in a while.

The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open,





It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to  
Tiger 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help  
but no.



I would say 250MB is way too small to run 10.4.11 even with good RAM.  
About Safari, if this is your only problem, consider using the iCab,  
it is traditionally a small footprint browser made especially for Macs.



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Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

2010-04-18 Thread dorayme

Could a way be found to have this group read and posted to in a  
normal usenet software like MT-NewsWatcher? Would make it so much  
easier and less clunky to operate with. One of the best groups around  
because nice people and moderated but not the best choices for access...


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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread Lisa

Hmm, makes a lot of sense, too. I appreciate all the info and time, thanks!! It 
may take a while but I will update when I solve this.

On Apr 18, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Jim Scott jesco...@gmail.com wrote:


On Apr 18, 2010, at 4:17 PM, tentengrrl wrote:

Jim, re: the same latencies of RAM sticks, is it enough to grab info from the 
System Profiler? see: PC-100-2225 for each of them. Does this mean they DO 
match-- and thus, does it now sound like perhaps one stick might be bad? I've 
just been keeping in one stick and it's been ok since I'm working on Preview 
w/iTunes mostly but I've been able to surf a bit as well. I'm amazed I could do 
that w/so little RAM though now it seems unable to keep Safari open no matter 
what stick is in. 

System Profiler doesn't tell you what the latency specs are; Apple Hardware 
Test does. If you see PC100-2225 for each of them in System Profiler, that 
doesn't necessarily mean their latency figures are the same. One might be CL2: 
7.5 and CL3: 10, the other might be CL2: 10 and CL3: 12, or something like 
that. The difference in latency is where the kernel problems, crashes and 
freezes come in.

OTOH, you may have discovered the bad stick, which I suspect is not really 
bad but is incompatible with your system and/or the other stick, which is more 
compatible with your system. 

Tiger will boot and run, slowwwly, with 128 MB RAM. Not that you'd want 
to do that, of course.

Jim

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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3

2010-04-18 Thread Lisa

And sorry, yes , it is 256MB of RAM. There were 2, so it came running 512MB and 
still had frequent app crashes. I'll look into the iCab, too. Thanks!  

On Apr 18, 2010, at 5:50 PM, dorayme dora...@optusnet.com.au wrote:

tentengrrl tenteng...@yahoo.com Apr 18 02:22PM -0700 ^



Hi,
I acquired a used g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM b/c I took out one 256 
stick to test my problem.

How can you test things if you take out all the RAM? Surely 250MB not 250k?


I want to use it for basic internet, Word docs/Preview, etc and these are 
generally fine but will crash once in a while.
The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open,



It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to Tiger 10.4.11 
and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but no.


I would say 250MB is way too small to run 10.4.11 even with good RAM. About 
Safari, if this is your only problem, consider using the iCab, it is 
traditionally a small footprint browser made especially for Macs.


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?


At 11:08 AM +1000 4/19/2010, dorayme wrote:
Could a way be found to have this group read and posted to in a 
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You would have to ask your newsgroup access provider to carry us and
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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3


At 2:22 PM -0700 4/18/2010, tentengrrl wrote:

g3 600 iMac running Tiger w/256K RAM


256 MB is a bit low, but should work if you're reasonable with it.

The main problem is I can't get the Safari to stay open, it keeps 
unexpectedly quitting or freezing but sometimes it's after an hour 
and other times, 5 min or 10 seconds. After that happens the other 
programs MIGHT do the same thing.


It was like this when I first got it so I did the combo udpate to 
Tiger 10.4.11 and Safari is version 3.0.4 thinking it would help but 
no.


Like I said, it's mostly Safari but during my testing of the sticks 
and slots by swapping them around, sometimes other programs will 
unexpectedly quit, I restart, Safari goes fine, other programs, too, 
and then a crash. Sometimes, after using only one stick I think the 
spinning beach ball freeze is due to just not enough RAM to load a 
page? But then I have enough RAM to run iTunes, Preview, Safari, and 
stickies all at once. (So I'm not sure. I'm still learning as I go 
along!


Ok.  You seem to be jumping to a conclusion that this is a memory 
related issue?  How so?  Memory errors RARELY cause app crashes. 
Typically a memory error will result in a kernel panic - the whole OS 
crashes.


When I look at the Problem Report it says Kern_bad_access and 
Kern-invalid address, or Kern_bad access and Kern_protection failure.


Yea, that's the fundamental class of errors that causes apps to crash 
(the OS' scream that it's in pain).  It says nothing about what 
actually caused the crash - could be that pesky anvil that hit your 
toe, or the desk that hit your forehead.You need to look further 
on in the log, at the backtrace of the crashed thread to see what 
actually caused the problem.


It would also be a good idea to take a look at the system and console 
logs, to see if there are any hareware failures being noted.  Use 
Console.app to view the logs.


If you can't make sense of them, zip a few up and email the archives 
directly to me.  I'll take a look.


I just can't get a definite pattern on it b/c it seems so random but 
sometimes it does ramp up, crashing quicker and quicker but I can't 
determine if it's one stick/slot all the way. I have looked online 
and this seems not uncommon and to be attributed to bad RAM to a 
preferences file all the way to just totally random.


Install Memtest, then boot your Mac into single user mode (cmd-S), 
and run Memtest overnight.


Memtest is an optional install, included in the AppleJack package. 
AppleJack is an emergency repair tool for OS X - a sledgehammer, if 
you will, for when polite tools like Disk Utility and OnyX don't 
quite fix things.


AppleJack lives here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/applejack/

but digging around in a software force can be daunting, so here's the 
installer direct:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/610326/AppleJack-1.5.dmg


The command to start Memtest is as follows.  Note that in Single User 
Mode, you're dealing with the raw Unix underbelly of OS X -- so 
commands are case sensitive!


/usr/local/sbin/memtest all 3 -L


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Re: Safari unexpected quits on iMac g3


At 4:22 PM -0700 4/18/2010, tentengrrl wrote:
Not too sound cheap-o but is something like 800Memory or some such 
site I saw not that great for RAM?


They're a decent vendor.  Given the age of your machine, you might do 
better by just buying off LEM's Swap mailing list.


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Re: Is there usenet interface possible for this group?

or we could have a forums site. Go to www.forumotion.com, and see what i'm
talking about. A forums site is much better than having a whole network of
e-mails. Not only that, whatever you send to the G3-G5 list won't be seen by
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suit the Lem's site list. It's free to create a forums site. Btw, even
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different purposes. Yes it is a forums site that i have up for technology
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So what do you think about the iPad?

Guys and gals, I just want to survey some of you who respond to me by
replying to me. Tell me, what do you think about the iPad? I am curious
about your opinions, because i really want to get some rumors that run about
my head out of the way.

Personally, the iPad is great in all, but I would much rather have Mac OS X
Snow leopard on it. I would also consider having built-in bluetooth so i can
connect to wireless printers, and also i would suggest firewire ports, USB
ports, a mini-VGA port, a DVI port, and a smart card reader hidden behind a
removable cover.

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Re: So what do you think about the iPad?

2010-04-18 Thread Wallace Adrian D'Alessio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9NP-AeKX40

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