Essential utilities for G4 powermac
Hello from a newbie from the UK I have recently acquired two G4 powermacs, one yikes and one sawtooth. Both are running 10.3 at the moment but i'm hoping to get some 10.4 install disks for the sawtooth in the near future. Having already had a few worrying black screen moments whilst swapping around various components etc. I am hoping to get some essential utilities downloaded for any future problems. Could you guys recommend utilities which have helped you out in the past? I've already found out how useful 'carbon copy cloner' is and somebody mentioned 'applejack' My thoughts are to maybe get an external drive box and firewire lead and create bootable partitions for each OS and also have any other utils installed on this emergency drive. Any advice much appreciated Thanks Nick (Yorkshire, England) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Essential utilities for G4 powermac
I would highly recommend Applejack. But I think it can only be installed on the boot drive. Also ClamXav would not hurt - we live in dark times, and is getting darker, even for macs :) Try searching sourceforge.net. And for the last resort, learn using OpenFirmware. It is very powerful and also extensible. The same goes for the Intel Macs - install rEFIt, along with the EFI shell, and learn how to use EFI shell as well. Try to find utilities which can be invoked from the OpenFirmware. Myself, I have never done that, but I am sure that it can be done and that such utilities exist. As for the pure troubleshooting utilities, I would recommend Apple Hardware Test, or some other LiveCD which has those utilities preinstalled. Depending solely on your hdd and utilities on it can be dangerous. I hope I have been of little help. Matevž Markovič -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
Hi: I have two MDD's with dual 1,25 ghz cpus that I run CHUD 3.5.2 on. The CHUD tools give the option of running single or dual cpus in nap mode. I run mine in single cpu mode with no discernible loss in processor speed/capacity. I also read that dual cpus in nap mode can cause crashes, but I've read no complaints of crashes with the single cpu. Most of the literature suggests single cpu use. The cooling and noise reduction are satisfying. On this warm morning the MDD is running at 98 degree (F) in single cpu. If I kick into dual non-nap mode it'll go up to 138 degrees (F) and start that wind-tunnel fan effect that MDDs are known for. CHUD seems to work best with Tiger. I've tried it with Leopard but there seem to be problems with keeping the cpus in single mode. I have up to 6 or 7 people using these machines on the internet and they've been stable with the CHUD tools for a good period of time. Good luck with whatever you decide. Bruce Horner On Aug 24, 5:55 am, Matevž Markovič ivwcorporation.mat...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I have a Powermac G4 dual (1.25 ghz), running under OS X Tiger. I use this computer as a test server with low traffic. Because no performance-demanding tasks are running on it, I want to decrease the temperature of both cpus and thus also reduce the noise of the fan, as it is way too high. (and the power consumption) I have heard of CHUD 3.5.2 and its option of enabling nap mode, but I am not willing to risk crashing the machine, because I have read that enabling nap on both cores will probably crash the computer and it also has other side-effects. Is it possible to manually reduce the speed of both cpus? (probably from Open Firmware). I would rather go with 2 x 1.0 Ghz (250mhz less per cpu). And if it is, how dangerous is that? Thank you for your answers! Matevz Markovic -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
-- Original message -- Subject: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd Date:Dienstag 24 August 2010N From:Matevž Markovič ivwcorporation.mat...@gmail.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Hello! I have a Powermac G4 dual (1.25 ghz), running under OS X Tiger. I use this computer as a test server with low traffic. Because no performance-demanding tasks are running on it, I want to decrease the temperature of both cpus and thus also reduce the noise of the fan, as it is way too high. (and the power consumption) You have already found the following? http://coolstuff.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/powermac-g4-mdd-cooling-and-noise-reduction/ http://bitsandpieces.info/MDDG4CoolingMod.htm Installing different fans –that are more silent– seems to help a lot. I have heard of CHUD 3.5.2 and its option of enabling nap mode, but I am not willing to risk crashing the machine, because I have read that enabling nap on both cores will probably crash the computer and it also has other side-effects. Possible. But you could try it anyway, and deactivate it when you see crashes for real. Is it possible to manually reduce the speed of both cpus? (probably from Open Firmware). I would rather go with 2 x 1.0 Ghz (250mhz less per cpu). And if it is, how dangerous is that? I have never heard that this would be so easy. G4 processors don't support alteration of clock speed (like modern processors do). Even the G5 Dual-Core “Late 2005” (IBM PowerPC 970MP aka Dual-Core G5) only supports to switch between full clock speed and half clock speed. You will have to go the hard way and modify the hardware. Sorry, this link is in German: http://macschrauber.de/3elektronik/3elektronik/mddxlr8.html A bad machine translation still helps to find the valued information: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=desl=detl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fmacschrauber.de%2F3elektronik%2F3elektronik%2Fmddxlr8.html I'm the in the link mentioned PLL table is not for the 1.25 GHz processors, but you may give it a try anyway. If you are willing to move resistors – knowing the risks– you should be able to make a 1.25 GHz machine be a 1.0 GHz machine. Only, while this will make the G4 MDD processors run cooler for sure, the impact to noise is uncertain. Whish you good luck! Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G3 Startup problem
I have several of these workhorses, and one of them has just started behaving badly today. The fellow who uses it decided to move it from his desktop to the slide out shelf inside his desk, and everything started going downhill from there. First, he was getting a system error on startup. Then, it would startup, get as far as the stage where the extensions start to load, and freeze. I replaced the PRAM and zapped the PRAM, and now it starts up, very very slowly. We're talking 15 minutes here. I just put in the Norton Utilities disk to see if running speed disk would help, but I'm having the same problem starting up from the CD. It takes a very long time. Did he somehow toast his hardware? Do I maybe have a RAM problem? Any advice is appreciated. TIA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
On Aug 25, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Iamanamma wrote: Did he somehow toast his hardware? Do I maybe have a RAM problem? Any advice is appreciated. TIA I would try reseating the RAM after blowing out any dust ... and get rid of Norton Utilities. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
On Aug 25, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Iamanamma wrote: I have several of these workhorses, and one of them has just started behaving badly today. The fellow who uses it decided to move it from his desktop to the slide out shelf inside his desk, and everything started going downhill from there. First, he was getting a system error on startup. Then, it would startup, get as far as the stage where the extensions start to load, and freeze. I replaced the PRAM and zapped the PRAM, and now it starts up, very very slowly. We're talking 15 minutes here. I just put in the Norton Utilities disk to see if running speed disk would help, but I'm having the same problem starting up from the CD. It takes a very long time. Did he somehow toast his hardware? Do I maybe have a RAM problem? Any advice is appreciated. TIA This sounds like a HDD problem to me, moving it had nothing to do with the problem sounds like a Maxtor issue John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Downclock Powermac G4 mdd
Mac User #330250, I have tried replacing the fan in my MDD with one of the fans mentioned in the wordpress link that you posted. It didn't work. I don't know if it is my computer or an incompatible fan. I tried two of those fans and neither of them worked. Just thought I would mention it. Also, Chud tools has worked great for me on my Dual 1GHZ MDD, and brought the noise and temperature WAY down. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
Oh, I am rather harried, and I forgot to say it's a beige desktop, running OS 8.6. I can't upgrade the OS, because there's a piece of software that won't run properly on any newer operating system. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
I have several of these workhorses, and one of them has just started behaving badly today. what model G3 is it ??? The fellow who uses it decided to move it from his desktop to the slide out shelf inside his desk, and everything started going downhill from there. First, he was getting a system error on startup. Then, it would startup, get as far as the stage where the extensions start to load, and freeze. Did anything get dropped let us know what it is first.?? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
On Aug 25, 2010, at 10:12 AM, william Bowles wrote: I have several of these workhorses, and one of them has just started behaving badly today. what model G3 is it ??? The fellow who uses it decided to move it from his desktop to the slide out shelf inside his desk, and everything started going downhill from there. First, he was getting a system error on startup. Then, it would startup, get as far as the stage where the extensions start to load, and freeze. Did anything get dropped let us know what it is first.?? Check the voltages on the power supply. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
The fellow who uses it decided to move it from his desktop to the slide out shelf inside his desk, and everything started going downhill from there. He swears he didn't drop it, bump it, or otherwise mishandle it. I would try reseating the RAM after blowing out any dust ... and get rid of Norton Utilities. I moved the drive to a different G3, and ran Diskwarrior instead. The drive will not boot at all now, I get a No bootable HFS partition message. When I boot from the Norton Utlities or the DiskWarrior CD, the G3 can see the drive. When I boot from the G3 software disk from Apple, it cannot. I wanted re-initialize it, but with the System software disk unable to see the drive, that's not happening. This sounds like a HDD problem to me, moving it had nothing to do with the problem sounds like a Maxtor issue The next time I open the case, I'll look to see what brand the drive is. My ability to tell through the software is somewhat limited right now. let us know what it is first.?? The beige desktop is a 300 mhz unit with 384 meg of RAM installed, if that is any help. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
On Aug 25, 11:59 am, john CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: This sounds like a HDD problem to me, moving it had nothing to do with the problem sounds like a Maxtor issue John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 It's a Western Digital drive. Does that make a difference? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
On Aug 25, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Iamanamma wrote: On Aug 25, 11:59 am, john CARMONNE carmo...@aol.com wrote: This sounds like a HDD problem to me, moving it had nothing to do with the problem sounds like a Maxtor issue John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my TiBook 500 It's a Western Digital drive. Does that make a difference? That shouldn't make any difference at all, unless you changed the jumper settings. Western Digitals use slightly different settings. OTOH, I've experienced SDWM (sudden death when moved) with a number of beige Macs (mostly G3s) in the last couple of years. Sometimes it's the hard drive, sometimes it's the power supply, sometimes it's a deep dark secret. My best guess is that the stress of moving somehow fractures a connection that has become tenuous over time because of oxidation of the metals that carry electricity. The magical malfunction appears to happen sooner in humid climates than in dry climates, which buttresses my WAT (wild a** theory) somewhat. But it's all anecdotal evidence. Oh, OTOH stands for On The Other Hand. Hope this helps, or at least gives you something to cling to. Jim Scott -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
On Aug 25, 2010, at 11:41 AM, Iamanamma wrote: The fellow who uses it decided to move it from his desktop to the slide out shelf inside his desk, and everything started going downhill from there. He swears he didn't drop it, bump it, or otherwise mishandle it. I would try reseating the RAM after blowing out any dust ... and get rid of Norton Utilities. I moved the drive to a different G3, and ran Diskwarrior instead. The drive will not boot at all now, I get a No bootable HFS partition message. When I boot from the Norton Utlities or the DiskWarrior CD, the G3 can see the drive. When I boot from the G3 software disk from Apple, it cannot. I wanted re-initialize it, but with the System software disk unable to see the drive, that's not happening. How long had the computer been running prior to shutting it down and then moving it? It's possible the damage happened far in the past but only made itself known when the computer was booted. This is a probably common occurrence, when the computer is running for an extended period then is shutdown / restarted for some particular reason and then it won't start up. The reason for shutdown / restart becomes suspect (the move in this case) when the real problem may have happened at any time prior. It isn't so common with Pre-OS X as X is less prone to crashing and most of the machines X runs on can sleep as opposed to earlier machines that don't sleep and therefore tend to get shut off overnight. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Digital Audio doesn't recognize Sonnet ST / processor temperature
After all is said and done, I now think the Sonnet upgrade is simply... broken. Either I broke it during my trials, or it was already faulty when I got it. Remember that the Mac was sold for parts? Maybe that was just applying to the Sonnet. Because I’ve been running the GigE with the DA’s 466MHz processor for hours without a hitch. Yes, I did manage to start it up with the Sonnet when I first got it (after pressing the PMU), but probably I just didn’t let it run long enough to find out the truth back then. Oh well, I learned a lot! I still want to ask Sonnet about it, just to understand what’s happening when such an ST seems to run normally except that it runs very hot very quickly. I mean, what could be broken, and maybe, could that be fixed? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
That shouldn't make any difference at all, unless you changed the jumper settings. Western Digitals use slightly different settings. OTOH, I've experienced SDWM (sudden death when moved) with a number of beige Macs (mostly G3s) in the last couple of years. Sometimes it's the hard drive, sometimes it's the power supply, sometimes it's a deep dark secret. My best guess is that the stress of moving somehow fractures a connection that has become tenuous over time because of oxidation of the metals that carry electricity. The magical malfunction appears to happen sooner in humid climates than in dry climates, which buttresses my WAT (wild a** theory) somewhat. But it's all anecdotal evidence. Oh, OTOH stands for On The Other Hand. Hope this helps, or at least gives you something to cling to. Jim Scott LOL, Jim. Thank you so much. After the headache this thing has been giving me all day, I really needed to laugh, and I've never seen SDWM used before, that and your WAT gave me a much needed attitude adjustment. In support of said WAT, we've had the most humid summer we've had in decades in Ohio, and after a ton more work on that hard drive, it does appear we've had a death in the family. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
How long had the computer been running prior to shutting it down and then moving it? It's possible the damage happened far in the past but only made itself known when the computer was booted. This is a probably common occurrence, when the computer is running for an extended period then is shutdown / restarted for some particular reason and then it won't start up. The reason for shutdown / restart becomes suspect (the move in this case) when the real problem may have happened at any time prior. It isn't so common with Pre-OS X as X is less prone to crashing and most of the machines X runs on can sleep as opposed to earlier machines that don't sleep and therefore tend to get shut off overnight. Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway Clark: The computer gets shut down every night, and would have been turned on at 7:00 this morning. The terminal symptoms were already evident at 8:00 when I got into the office. That said, it resides in a metal fab shop that is not climate controlled in the least (okay, we have a furnace, but that's it!) and the environment is very dirty. I think it may just have gotten tired of eating dust, and died. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
I moved the drive to a different G3, and ran Diskwarrior instead. The drive will not boot at all now, I get a No bootable HFS partition message. When I boot from the Norton Utlities or the DiskWarrior CD, the G3 can see the drive. When I boot from the G3 software disk from Apple, it cannot. I wanted re-initialize it, but with the System software disk unable to see the drive, that's not happening. Try DiskWarrior on it maybe twice Norton should be able to get it to where you can initialize it. John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Mac Mini Power supply compatibility?
I have a first generation Mac Mini 1.25ghz that I've been using for an entertainment center. Problem is that I want to upgrade to a better mini and the power adapter is in the wall and I don't want to take the wall apart to get at it Q: which Mac Mini's are compatible with the first generation power supply? Jeff Engle Kamiah, Idaho 83536 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Writing on the wall...
http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/25/technical.hurdles.impede.powerpc.support/ Firefox 4 will very likely be Intel only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G3 Startup problem
- Original Message From: Iamanamma vsand...@neo.rr.com That said, it resides in a metal fab shop that is not climate controlled in the least (okay, we have a furnace, but that's it!) and the environment is very dirty. I think it may just have gotten tired of eating dust, and died. Possible; if you have an air compressor handy I would open up the G3 and blow it it out -- don't miss the power supply. But first remove all RAM and all video/PCI installed cards. Clean the contacts on the logic board and the RAM/cards after the air blow and reinstall. And be sure no water is sprayed from the compressor, if water is sprayed you will have to wait a few days for it to dry. Do this in a dirty room as dust bunnies will fly, polluting the air perhaps beyond your expectations. My experience in a small commercial printing company that is very dusty; streets and parking lots on all sides and no environmental controls except for open windows and some window mounted A/C's is that all my Mac's collect a lot'a dust. I blow them out with a 4 HP/20 compressor in the somewhat moldy basement where the air compressor it located. Other than that the HD is a good suspect for the problem. If you have a good backup of the data, go ahead and use Norton with the understanding it may destroy whatever data is on the drive. I have found in my OS 8 days Norton may recognize the damaged drive and get it to mount when other utilities failed. If mounted you can initialize and test it with drive setup and restore the data. It maybe a good idea to replace the hard drive with a new(er) one, old ATA cards and drives aren't too expensive assuming the drive in question is SCSI. Good luck -- glen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
QS DP 1.0 w OS X 10.4 Server
All, I currently have a QuickSilver DP 1.0 with OS X 10.4 Server on it. I am looking to change the harddrives on this server. In doing so I want to do a clean install of the OS. However, look as I may I cannot seem to find what I did with the license information for Tiger Server. I know I have it just have mis-placed it. Is there anywhere inside the OS that gives you the License Key for this product? Thank You, Albert -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: QS DP 1.0 w OS X 10.4 Server
I can't say for sure, but if you go to the Apple Menu - About this Mac, and you click multiple times on the Version number, does it display your license key in the same manner that it displays the build number and computer serial number? On Aug 25, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Albert Carter wrote: All, I currently have a QuickSilver DP 1.0 with OS X 10.4 Server on it. I am looking to change the harddrives on this server. In doing so I want to do a clean install of the OS. However, look as I may I cannot seem to find what I did with the license information for Tiger Server. I know I have it just have mis-placed it. Is there anywhere inside the OS that gives you the License Key for this product? Regards, Dan Palka Info-Mac Moderator http://www.info-mac.org d...@info-mac.org -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Who uses Firefox? Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/25/technical.hurdles.impede.powerpc.support/ Firefox 4 will very likely be Intel only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
I do. Illirik Smirnov wrote: Who uses Firefox? Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu mailto:john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/25/technical.hurdles.impede.powerpc.support/ Firefox 4 will very likely be Intel only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: QS DP 1.0 w OS X 10.4 Server
It's displayed somewhere in Server Admin. Chance Dan Palka wrote: I can't say for sure, but if you go to the Apple Menu - About this Mac, and you click multiple times on the Version number, does it display your license key in the same manner that it displays the build number and computer serial number? On Aug 25, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Albert Carter wrote: All, I currently have a QuickSilver DP 1.0 with OS X 10.4 Server on it. I am looking to change the harddrives on this server. In doing so I want to do a clean install of the OS. However, look as I may I cannot seem to find what I did with the license information for Tiger Server. I know I have it just have mis-placed it. Is there anywhere inside the OS that gives you the License Key for this product? Regards, Dan Palka Info-Mac Moderator http://www.info-mac.org d...@info-mac.org mailto:d...@info-mac.org http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: QS DP 1.0 w OS X 10.4 Server
I just checked, it's on the Settings page. Chance Chance Reecher wrote: It's displayed somewhere in Server Admin. Chance Dan Palka wrote: I can't say for sure, but if you go to the Apple Menu - About this Mac, and you click multiple times on the Version number, does it display your license key in the same manner that it displays the build number and computer serial number? On Aug 25, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Albert Carter wrote: All, I currently have a QuickSilver DP 1.0 with OS X 10.4 Server on it. I am looking to change the harddrives on this server. In doing so I want to do a clean install of the OS. However, look as I may I cannot seem to find what I did with the license information for Tiger Server. I know I have it just have mis-placed it. Is there anywhere inside the OS that gives you the License Key for this product? Regards, Dan Palka Info-Mac Moderator http://www.info-mac.org d...@info-mac.org mailto:d...@info-mac.org http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
A surprising lot of people, actually. You may want to check this statistics: http://bit.ly/b7PO6L. Felix On Aug 25, 8:14 pm, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: Who uses Firefox? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Has Apple said anything about Safari's lifespan on PPC ? On 8/25/10 7:31 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/25/technical.hurdles.impede.powerpc.support/ Firefox 4 will very likely be Intel only. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Apple has not, AFAIK, but the writing has been on the wall for the PPC architecture since the release of Snow Leopard a little over a year ago. So keep your fingers crossed, but it's a question of time -- months, I'd wager. Felix On Aug 25, 9:27 pm, M Christol chris...@fuse.net wrote: Has Apple said anything about Safari's lifespan on PPC ? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
so? you know, i still use netscape 7 regularly because it has a decent HTML editor built-in and it was FREE. and it has been unsupported for years. yet it still works just fine. when they stop releasing upgrades of firefox for PPC, stop downloading them, and keep using the one you have. the world will not end, and your 'puter will not explode. On Aug 25, 7:31 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/25/technical.hurdles.impede.power... Firefox 4 will very likely be Intel only. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Illirik writes, Who uses Firefox? My boyfriend does. I have it on my Quicksilver and iBook for him to use when he's here if he doesn't bring one of his laptops (he has a Windoze one for work and also an iBook), but for me alone it's just a backup browser -- I like Safari...don't ask... ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
seeking reviews of SmithMicro's Spring Cleaning
i read the reviews on versiontracker, and they are not all favorable. however, i wonder about the competence of those posting reviews. what i want is an app that will help me find multiple copies of the same file scattered in many folders and several HD. i have occasionally been in a hurry and simply copied entire flash drives to my HDs, and now i have perhaps dozens of copies of hundreds of files. i know i could use Find, but i'd like an inexpensive app that automates the task, and cuts down on the time i have to spend looking and deleting. i would appreciate comments from anyone who has used Spring Cleaning for just this sort of task. TIA, -- john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Software Update: Install and Keep Package
In Leopard, I have been choosng this option but the Packages are nowhere to be found. Nothing in the Library/Packages folder. Any clues? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Software Update: Install and Keep Package
On Aug 25, 2010, at 9:28 PM, admin wrote: In Leopard, I have been choosng this option but the Packages are nowhere to be found. Nothing in the Library/Packages folder. Any clues? Thanks. According to Apple they are supposed to be in Library/Packages. See: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/8389.html I believe this is a known Leopard bug that has never been fixed AFAIK. Someone said they were located in ~user/Downloads, but I've not seen this, I don't think they're saved in Leopard, you need to manually download. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Writing on the wall...
Oh. That could be a problem for you. You could always just use another browser, like Opera or Konqueror (I have a love/hate relationship with Safari. Don't ask.) Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Yersinia yersi...@verizon.net wrote: Illirik writes, Who uses Firefox? My boyfriend does. I have it on my Quicksilver and iBook for him to use when he's here if he doesn't bring one of his laptops (he has a Windoze one for work and also an iBook), but for me alone it's just a backup browser -- I like Safari...don't ask... ~Yersinia. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
CCC image bootable?
Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: CCC image bootable?
http://tinyurl.com/2g646lf Sent from a computer running either the SPARC, Itanium, or PowerPC architecture. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:35 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: Hi all I want to know before I take a chance here if a CCC image is bootable I see the option as a read only image so can that image be booted? Also can I restore a volume with it? John Carmonne Yorba Linda USA Sent from my MBP -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Confirm your subscription
On Aug 23, 2010, at 11:42 PM, nore...@googlegroups.com wrote: We have received a request for this email address to join the Leopard Group group, hosted by Google Groups. In order for us to process this subscription, we need confirmation from you. If you did not request to join this group, you may ignore this message. To join this group go to the following confirmation URL: http://groups.google.com/group/leopardlist/boxsubscribe?p=Confirmtoken=YwAAAPY5jj_cE_q4koZm1P9I1MqhO4AGVwwpWYXjhl=en This should take you directly to an email confirmation page. If it does not, But it doesn't HELP Chuck Davis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: seeking reviews of SmithMicro's Spring Cleaning
Not great. I bought it a few years ago, and found it crashed as if there were too much to check for, I have a MDD G4 with 4 drives. I let it do its thing on one drive at a time, and it worked fine, but that sort of defeated the purpose. Too bad, it had potential. On Aug 25, 10:19 pm, ah...clem boneheads...@gmail.com wrote: i read the reviews on versiontracker, and they are not all favorable. however, i wonder about the competence of those posting reviews. what i want is an app that will help me find multiple copies of the same file scattered in many folders and several HD. i have occasionally been in a hurry and simply copied entire flash drives to my HDs, and now i have perhaps dozens of copies of hundreds of files. i know i could use Find, but i'd like an inexpensive app that automates the task, and cuts down on the time i have to spend looking and deleting. i would appreciate comments from anyone who has used Spring Cleaning for just this sort of task. TIA, -- john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
G4 with no chime but instead folder with ?
On Aug 25, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Robert Long texasche...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello group, I got a G4 and tonight I plugged it in to see if it will work. No chime but a screen with a folder and a ? then a happy face. Not the mac face. Any ideas. I am not too hep on this stuff. If it doesn't have a fatal problem or such I would like to get it up and running. Hopefully someone who actually knows something about G4s will respond. Are you sure that (1) there is a hard drive in your system and (2) that the drive contains a bootable install of OS X? The folder with a ? I would guess might be an icon to indicate no file system ... perhaps? -irrational john -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
