Re: new to the MAC universe.
Tina, I do know, the hard way. Jane 2.0 and I are at the mall, and she asks to go to the mac store. You know where that got me. :) On Feb 2, 1:38 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: MAC = Media Access Control Mac = PC sold by Apple M‧A‧C = Cosmetics line Mix them up and there's no telling what you'll get. ;-) Tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new to the MAC universe.
On 2012/02/02 05:53, JoeTaxpayer so eloquently wrote: Tina, I do know, the hard way. Jane 2.0 and I are at the mall, and she asks to go to the mac store. You know where that got me.:) Smart lady! :) Tina -- Acceleron: HP Presario 2.8GHz Celeron D 2GB RAM Discrete graphics XP Pro Luxo Jr: iMac 20 USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 Worm: PowerBook G4 15 HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.5.8 Quadrophenia: Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: new to the MAC universe.
At 4:53 AM -0800 2/2/2012, JoeTaxpayer wrote: On Feb 2, 1:38 am, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: MAC = Media Access Control Mac = PC sold by Apple MÅEAÅEC = Cosmetics line Mix them up and there's no telling what you'll get. ;-) Tina, I do know, the hard way. Jane 2.0 and I are at the mall, and she asks to go to the mac store. You know where that got me. :) hooya! An iMac with bright red rocky lips! Did you get AppleCare? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
pppd/mgetty question for dial-in access question.......
alright people here is a question, om a slacker so i get the rtfm and im used to saying it as well, however, this isnt a slack list it is a macosx list, so how can i, for instance, set up a dial-in with my leopard 10.5 ppc machine with a dial-up modem to receive calls and allow for a remote connection, from another computer without the use of a isp, or anything? its more to be of use to myself, so if i ever need access to something, even miniscule, its there... all i have to do is dial out to my home phone and connect. i have read a few ways, which if you dont have xcode(and i dont i dunno what happened there) are not happening. but they involve mgetty, and setting it up to anser the line like an answering machine only to let you dial in. is it possible or is it just not gonna happen? please some insight would be awesome... id like to use it for proof of concept as well jess -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
ways to get scuffs out of powermac g4 case!!!
check this out folks, and you might think this is bizarre but take an unused acrylic cigarette filter out of a cigarette and use that to buff out scratches and dark scuffs from your case, works really well when the scuff or filter is made lightly humid or wet. it works beautifully. this is a non-sell, so try it out. anyone has any questions mail me. jesse -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?
Compromise, is what im going for. Idont really need all the doo dads and all the older software works well rnough to play tunes record tunes rip cds yadda yadda code, and im going to install slackintosh as well Basic stufff. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 21, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW? Date:Wednesday, 11. January 2012 From:seeker jesselorenstj...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com what if any would be the ideal version of macOS x to install on g3 bw with maxed ram? i am a huge fan of opensource, but i have fallen head over heals for mac osx and would like to keep these machines as such so any help? I’m running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Tiger. My BW has its original 350 MHz G3 processor, and I maxed out the memery 4×215 MB PC100 DIMMs to 1 GB. Sady I do rely on 10.4 because of internet functionality: I use TenFourFox. I also have a Cube G4 with 450 MHz running Tiger. BTW TenFourFox on a G3 with some fancy must-have extensions (like NoScript and AdBlock Plus) also put the speed brake on it. You just feel that it is too much for this old little bugger! My experience: the bottleneck is the 350 MHz processor. But even with a faster one it wouldn’t be the same experience as it is on, say, a G4 Dual 1GHz running Tiger or a G5 Dual-2 GHz with at least 2 GB memory running Leopard. The second problem that the BW has is the absence of an AGP bus. PCI just isn’t fast enough for Quartz Extreme. Under heavy I/O load (i.e. because I’m copying files on the USB bus -- USB 2.0 expansion card -- PCI bus -- CPU -- IDE channel) graphics becomes snatchy. Without Quartz Extreme (with the original ATi Rage 128 PCI graphics card) it will be snatchy anyhow. The best OS? I can see Mac OS 8.5.1 (the original bundled OS) rocking on it! Mac OS 8.6 or 9.x is maybe the best choice if you want to go for speed. Or a slim Linux/BSD distro. (But which one? Is there one for PowerPCs?) Mac OS X 10.3 might also be an option, but there is just soo much great software that requires at least 10.4 to run… 10.3 just makes you feel bad about your decision. 10.2 will do as well, but I heard that 10.3 is even faster than 10.2 was. Also, 10.3 is the first to feature all that usability that you expect when going for Mac OS X. The backstep to 10.2 just feels like loosing something. Well, it did to me: I’ve tried. IF you don’t go for speed, 10.4 is propably good for you. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?
Il giorno 21-01-2012 15:44, Mac User #330250 ha scritto: Mac OS 8.6 or 9.x is maybe the best choice if you want to go for speed. I second that. MacOS 8.6 gave me the best speedy feeling ever! :-))) (even on the original G3 266 MHz long ago) 9.2 was still way faster than OSX, but not as quick as 8.6. Mac OS X 10.3 might also be an option, but there is just soo much great software that requires at least 10.4 to runŠ 10.3 just makes you feel bad about your decision. Again, I second that. I was pretty happy with 10.3, but I felt missing a lot software-wise. With 10.4 I didn't notice any slowing down, and the software available is much more. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Reformatting a Maxtor 160 gig disk
Something strange is going on here. Ever since my power surge disaster last year I have had trouble with my 300gig HD. The circuit board was fried on it and I bought a replacement and have been using it. I saved all the data on it to a Go drive and I know I should replace the drive but I have been using it anyway. I thought there was something wrong with the drive because every time I have used Disk Utility or Drive Genius on it chokes with some really screwy out of range error and says repair failed. I just thought there was something wrong due to the controller board on the HD which was a Seagate. I decided to stop messing around with this drive and copy all the data to a 160 Maxtor. I formatted this drive on a normal ATA 100 bus in my DA G4 so only 128 gigs shows up, but I figured I would put this drive on Sonnet Tempo 133 card and format it to whatever 160 gigs of HD will turn out. The problem is that the drive shows up as a Maxtor 128gigs. There is no extra unformatted space. I'm thinking the problem is the Sonnet Tempo 133 card. I don't know what the deal is with it. In about this Mac this PCI card comes up as pci1033,e0 in slot 4 which I am guessing is either my USB 2.0 card and slot 5 is PCD20269 then is says ata. This is confusing me. There is something about my system that is not seeing these bigger hard drives beyond 128 gigs. The Sonnet ATA 133 card is different than the one that blew up in the power surge. This card is brown and my original old card was green. I don't know what that means, except that the green card could see the bigger drives. I don't know what to do. Mark Murphy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
A question about Flast....
I have a few PPC Macs that I still use everyday because I can't afford to get any newer Apple computers. My worry is, my best PowerMac G5 with dual 2GHz processors and 7GB of RAM is having trouble running Flash 10 smoothly using my Firefox and Safari browsers, yet I found it runs much smoother on my OLD Real Player's web browser. It skips nearly no frames at all and is able to play at much higher resolutions even in full screen. I'm worried it is because Real Player's browser is not nearly as secure as Firefox and Safari. Should I worry about using this browser to watch my Cnet and youtube videos or should I not trust it? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW?
I dunno.. Right-click is the only thing i liked from a windows/linux enviroment, and my current leopard has just that with my mighty mouse. Now if i could rid it of the menu bar. Bam. Heaven. I dont like having to close an app Twice. Yes yes . Cmd - q whatever guys. I wish apple would consider instating a windowmaker option. Also is there anyway i could install pure darwin, instead of apples flavor and just run x11? Itunes and all that shiz isnt really needed. This system is more of a couldnt purchase it when i was young( 19 and so broke when the bw was the rage) and id like to enjoy as i know what to expect from old hardware deal, so i dont care. Im probably gonna get a really old ipod too, just for gits and shigglesIm lame whatever. Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 22, 2012, at 11:26 PM, a1 arichic...@gmail.com wrote: Speaking of Panther, wasn't there a software download that enabled right-clicking on an Apple mouse---by holding down the click a little longer? On Jan 21, 8:44 am, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote: -- Original message -- Subject: Best MacOS x on a G3 BW? Date:Wednesday, 11. January 2012 From:seeker jesselorenstj...@gmail.com To: G-Group g3-5-list@googlegroups.com what if any would be the ideal version of macOS x to install on g3 bw with maxed ram? i am a huge fan of opensource, but i have fallen head over heals for mac osx and would like to keep these machines as such so any help? I’m running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Tiger. My BW has its original 350 MHz G3 processor, and I maxed out the memery 4×215 MB PC100 DIMMs to 1 GB. Sady I do rely on 10.4 because of internet functionality: I use TenFourFox. I also have a Cube G4 with 450 MHz running Tiger. BTW TenFourFox on a G3 with some fancy must-have extensions (like NoScript and AdBlock Plus) also put the speed brake on it. You just feel that it is too much for this old little bugger! My experience: the bottleneck is the 350 MHz processor. But even with a faster one it wouldn’t be the same experience as it is on, say, a G4 Dual 1GHz running Tiger or a G5 Dual-2 GHz with at least 2 GB memory running Leopard. The second problem that the BW has is the absence of an AGP bus. PCI just isn’t fast enough for Quartz Extreme. Under heavy I/O load (i.e. because I’m copying files on the USB bus -- USB 2.0 expansion card -- PCI bus -- CPU -- IDE channel) graphics becomes snatchy. Without Quartz Extreme (with the original ATi Rage 128 PCI graphics card) it will be snatchy anyhow. The best OS? I can see Mac OS 8.5.1 (the original bundled OS) rocking on it! Mac OS 8.6 or 9.x is maybe the best choice if you want to go for speed. Or a slim Linux/BSD distro. (But which one? Is there one for PowerPCs?) Mac OS X 10.3 might also be an option, but there is just soo much great software that requires at least 10.4 to run… 10.3 just makes you feel bad about your decision. 10.2 will do as well, but I heard that 10.3 is even faster than 10.2 was. Also, 10.3 is the first to feature all that usability that you expect when going for Mac OS X. The backstep to 10.2 just feels like loosing something. Well, it did to me: I’ve tried. IF you don’t go for speed, 10.4 is propably good for you. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Help quitting Darwin
PLEASE HELP ME, URGENT REQUEST On G4 running OS 10.4.11, doing nothing noteworthy, I shut down last night and this morning upon attempting to start up the following was experienced: Normal start up chime normal screens including load THEN IMMEDIATELY GOSE TO BLACK SCREEN WITH THE FOLLOWING: Darwin/BSD (hprinter.local) (console) Login: (i enter known uid (mrbill)) password: (i enter known pwd) Welcome to Darwin! hprinter:~ mrbill$ (here I can enter, but none of your words work -- how do we get out of Darwin??? WHAT IS THIS AND HOW DO I GET RID OF IT Fooling with it I get the following to show: theBash Bourne-Again Shell Unix Shell C 1991-2002 Free Software Foundation WHAT IS THIS AND HOW DO I GET RID OF IT G4 has 3 hds 1 40g 10.5.8, 2 35g with two partitions: A 18g 10.4.11 (I am writing this to you via this system and browser) B 12g 10.4.11 has the above new problem. BTW: Disk test shows all ok. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ie 5.0
Il giorno 17-01-2012 20:40, Charles Lenington ha scritto: Well, the web site puts up a page stating browser requirement. Attempts to ignore and use Firefox 3.6.x results in long waits and or errors. Tried so far: IE 5.1.7 (OS 9), 5.2.0 FF 3.6.25 G4, G5 processors running OS X.4.11. Why not tryinf newer versions of TFF? Wait and errors might be due to newer web technology, not compatible with older browsers (despite their claims). Did you try Safari? Last one for OSX 10.4, AFAIK, is 4.1.3. With Safari you can spoof IE, changing hte user agent. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Recommend USB UD for backups
Il giorno 17-01-2012 16:02, Bill ha scritto: The WD (My Book Essential) that I have been using for backups (via Time Machine on 10.5.8, and 10.4.11) now refuses to mount. AFAIK, some WD external drives have been known for having issues with Macs. You might do some Google research, but perhaps is better avoiding them. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport dilemma
10.4.11 only understands WEP and LEAP wireless security schemes. 10.4.11 understands WPA and WPA2 just fine. However, the wireless firmware on the Quicksilver and the Cube probably doesn't. Probably the cheapest way around this is a USB wireless device (most of the wireless G devices should work, with appropriate drivers). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Smile if you like this tag line. --- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Recommend USB UD for backups
On Jan 17, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Bill wrote: Hello all, The WD (My Book Essential) that I have been using for backups (via Time Machine on 10.5.8, and 10.4.11) now refuses to mount. I have tried everything to get it to show up on the Desktop under 10.4.11 and 10.5.8 but to no avail. Can someone recommend a reliable USB Hard Drive that I should use? My configuration is as follows: Quicksilver G4 Two internal hard drives: 1) Mac OS X 10.5.8 2) Mac OS S 10.4.11 + mac OS 9.2.2 (for classic and OS 9 apps) I appreciate any help. Thanks! I'm sure the HDD is ok, it's the flakey WD enclosure. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacBook Pro i7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Beige G3 RAM
I need advice on upgrading RAM in a beige 266 MHz Power Macintosh G3. I understand that the bus speed is 66 MHz, and am wondering if I must then use 66 MHz memory. I have tried 100 MHz memory with mixed success. I've tried different combinations, and I know some of the modules work, but I've had some inconsistencies. I've had the screen remain black abnormally long after pressing the power button, and I think I've had the computer issue either a second startup chime or a very late one. I guess my question is this: Is it wise and safe to use 100 MHz memory in this machine, even if it is intended to use 66 MHz RAM? I think it has been done, but there seem to be varying opinions online as to whether it is the thing to do. Thanks, Anthony -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Airport dilemma
On Jan 29, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Clark Martin wrote: On Jan 29, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Bruce Ryan wrote: G4 Cube and Quicksilver both donated and for use for the 16-yr old kid to reverse explore Apple/Mac have newly installed 10.4.11. Both accept Airport. Both show and allow a choice of network (my home) but show an error message. Error connecting to AirPort network etc. My own and the kid's iBook and Pad connect without problem, went into keychain to be certain of the password and still neither the Cube or Q/S will complete the connection. I have never been able to connect to my routers with the original AirPort b card using WPA even though the router says b/g/n support. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: pppd/mgetty question for dial-in access question.......
On Jan 18, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Jesse St.John wrote: alright people here is a question, om a slacker so i get the rtfm and im used to saying it as well, however, this isnt a slack list it is a macosx list, so how can i, for instance, set up a dial-in with my leopard 10.5 ppc machine with a dial-up modem to receive calls and allow for a remote connection, from another computer without the use of a isp, or anything? its more to be of use to myself, so if i ever need access to something, even miniscule, its there... all i have to do is dial out to my home phone and connect. i have read a few ways, which if you dont have xcode(and i dont i dunno what happened there) are not happening. but they involve mgetty, and setting it up to anser the line like an answering machine only to let you dial in. is it possible or is it just not gonna happen? please some insight would be awesome... IIRC the developer tools (which includes XCode) are on your 10.5 disk. If not, you need to download it from Apple; at developer.apple.com. There's a package that claims to worl with NeXT and BSD, so might be adaptable to OS X here http://freecode.com/projects/pppd Good freakin' luck, you're going to need it! :-) Might be easier to hunt down an actual terminal server to do this, like this: http://www.ipcas.com/products/ppp-gateway.html or an old Shiva LanRover; here's one for $25 :http://shop.bizsyscon.com/shiva-lanrover-8e-8-port-remote-access-server/ We used one of these for years as our dial-in box for the college. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Recommend USB UD for backups
On Jan 29, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Dan wrote: OTOH, Time Machine is known to shoot itself in the head quite often. It corrupts its own backup volumes, sometimes to the point they won't even mount. This is why we consider TM to be a cute hourly incremental system and recommend using CCC or SuperDuper for your real backups. As an another anecdotal non-data point, I have NEVER seen this happen, and I've set up dozens of time machine disks for various folks around the college, and myself. We have had issues where the drives died, but never an issue of time machine corrupting itself. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card too?
On Jan 28, 2012, at 6:29 AM, DBS-Designs by Skip wrote: If I might ask a few questions about this, that would be awesome. My G5 seems to have issues that may be the video card? - The screen gets lines in it - The screen will get blotches in it. The windows get distorted and weird. - It doesn't always come up on start up. It appears to be running, but nothing on the monitor (30 Apple) - Most of the time on restart it comes up, sometimes I need to do this 2,3 or even 4 times. Less times, the longer I wait. - Watching video's / movies online causes it to freeze - Sometimes when working in any of the drawing applications, there will be blotches of colors showing up that I can get rid of by resetting the window size. These do come back the longer I'm working in that application and the longer my Mac has been on. - Fast movement of the mouse or going into the corners can cause this to happen as well. Your thoughts folks? Yep video card problems. I'd make sure it's not a driver issue, but re-installing the driver if one is available (or re-installing the latest combo update for your OS) but all of those symptoms point to video issues rather than monitor issues. If you can swap in a known-good monitor and cable, that would be definitive. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Bad Video Card?
On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:04 PM, John Carmonne wrote: I think the smell may be from solder flux left over from the flashing process. The flashing process does not involve soldering at all, but is accomplished by software on a PC... -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 RAM
Il giorno 29-01-2012 23:49, anthonyschr ha scritto: I need advice on upgrading RAM in a beige 266 MHz Power Macintosh G3. I understand that the bus speed is 66 MHz, and am wondering if I must then use 66 MHz memory. I have tried 100 MHz memory with mixed success. I had the same Mac years ago, and I used a 256MB and 512MB 133 MHz Ram stick with no problem. A tech guy told me my Mac needed 66 MHz memory, but he was obviously wrong. What I noticed, though, was that some memory stick aren't compatible with the G3, when they have high density memory chips on them. That could likely be the problem, not the speed. I don't know if mixing 66 MHz and 133 MHz sticks could lead to problems. I seem to remember I had both in my G3, but I'm not sure right now. Nowadays you can easily find 133 MHz Ram sticks for a few bucks or even for free; lots of people is discarding their old Pentium PCs, and they usually have 133 MHz SDRam sticks. I see plenty of them in recycling centers. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Help quitting Darwin
At 2:16 PM -0800 1/29/2012, Jonas Lopez wrote: PLEASE HELP ME, URGENT REQUEST urgent is, of course, the keyword that triggers GoogleH*ll. (edited for brevity) Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com by gmr-mx.google.com Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:16:27 -0800 (PST) ...and finally its passage thru google's @#$%ing infrastructure finished with: Received: by 10.236.136.167 Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:55:42 -0800 (PST) On G4 running OS 10.4.11, doing nothing noteworthy, I shut down last night and this morning upon attempting to start up the following was experienced: [being dumped into the CLI] Welcome to Darwin! hprinter:~ mrbill$ (here I can enter, but none of your words work -- how do we get out of Darwin??? WHAT IS THIS AND HOW DO I GET RID OF IT Darwin is formal name of the Unix underbelly of OS X. The environment you're seeing is pretty much what you'd get if you booted into Single-User mode (cmd-S held down), but you've logged into your account instead of root. Something be foo with the boot, obviously. Darwin booted, but then the stuff that makes up the full environment of OS X didn't load. Could be a pram setting issue (that told it to stop there). Could be a general file system problem on the boot volume. Could be corrupted boot files. (stop when something works) Replace your PRAM Battery. Try zapping your pram / resetting your nvram. Try booting into single-user mode and running AppleJack. Try booting on an OS DVD and repairing the boot volume. Try booting from another HD. If that works, then the problem is the drive, not something else in your system. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 RAM
On Jan 29, 2012, at 4:49 PM, anthonyschr wrote: I need advice on upgrading RAM in a beige 266 MHz Power Macintosh G3. I understand that the bus speed is 66 MHz, and am wondering if I must then use 66 MHz memory. I have tried 100 MHz memory with mixed success. I've tried different combinations, and I know some of the modules work, but I've had some inconsistencies. I've had the screen remain black abnormally long after pressing the power button, and I think I've had the computer issue either a second startup chime or a very late one. I guess my question is this: Is it wise and safe to use 100 MHz memory in this machine, even if it is intended to use 66 MHz RAM? I think it has been done, but there seem to be varying opinions online as to whether it is the thing to do. The speed of the RAM isn't the issue, it's whether or not it's low- density or high-density RAM. The G3 requires low-density meaning modules that are populated on both sides by chips, 16 chips total. If your modules only have 8 chips on one side they're high density and should only recognize as half their actual size. Once you get low- density RAM everything should be OK. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Beige G3 RAM
The speed of the RAM isn't the issue, it's whether or not it's low- density or high-density RAM. The G3 requires low-density meaning modules that are populated on both sides by chips, 16 chips total. If your modules only have 8 chips on one side they're high density and should only recognize as half their actual size. Once you get low- density RAM everything should be OK. High-capacity sticks are double-sided with low-density SDRAM chips (16 chips). Low-capacity sticks are single-sided also with low-density SDRAM chips (8 chips). 256 MB sticks were not available when Apple developed the specification for the Beige series; only 128 MB, maximum, sticks were then available, whereas 64 MB was the most commonly available. So, Apple wrote the specification for then-emerging 128 MB stick standard. The specification states 384 maximum RAM (using single-sided, low-density SDRAM sticks), but, in truth, the actual maximum RAM is 768 MB (using double-sided, low-density SDRAM sticks). It does not matter whether the sticks are single- or double-sided. It DOES matter that the sticks are all low-density. 256 MB sticks which are high-density will report themselves as 128 MB. I suppose there are also pathological cases where 128 MB sticks which are high-density will report themselves as 64 MB. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
