Re: G4 Cube
Dear Eleni, To start a new thread, you have to click the button + new post top right. Changing the subject doesn't work, because threads are not connected through the subject line but through some under-the-hood numbering, Yes, Google should definitely change the text of that button to + new thread! Good luck -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac -- currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Will going up to v2.26 enable one (or both) of those? As I mentioned earlier, the main reason I'm using this card is to enable monitor rotation -- so basically whatever ROM allows for that under 10.4. Thanks folks! On Feb 13, 2:01 pm, Peter Devlin pdim...@mail.com wrote: On 13/02/2012 15:38, Jesse jesse.wm.wall...@gmail.com wrote: As some of you have suspected, the card was recognized when I plugged it in my PC. It won't display past the Windows XP startup screen, but I know that's something to do with not having the correct drivers. Bottom line: if it displays ANYTHING, it's gotta be working to some capacity. So my next course of action is to flash the ROM so that it will work in my Mac. All of the methods I've seen involve making a PC boot disk, running a utility while booted up with that disk, then transfer it over to the Mac and flash the ROM to the newest version. Is there a fairly straightforward (and as foolproof as possible) guide that someone can point me to? BTW, the guy who sold me the card apologized for it not working and refunded me all of my money saying not to worry about returning the card. So if I can get it going, it's a dbl-win. Thanks for all of the advice up to this point. First step is to id the rom chip as that will be the limiting factor in any conversion to mac - it's a quite small 8 pin soic flash memory chip and hopefully made by ST micro - and if so labelled M25P05 or M25P10 - there are other reference numbers following the first bit but ignore them. Other common flash memory providers were Atmel. The M25P05 is allegedly 64KB and the M25P10 is 128KB - the allegedly is there because many P10 chips were mislabelled as P05. Required for flashing on a PC will be a dos boot disk and a second disk containing the utilities and any roms needed. Flashrom will be ok for the utility for such an old card and no other display card is required if you 'hot flash' it while it is in use for the PC display as the rom is no longer accessed after the dos boot. FIRST save the current rom from the card - vital if anything goes pear shaped. If you have a P05 chip you can flash it with a 64KB or less reduced mac 7000 rom - or alternatively try the full 128KB mac rom to find out the size of the chip. If the rom is indeed a 64KB chip the 128KB flash will fail with an error at 65556 something odd bytes and should immediately be reflashed with the smaller 64KB mac rom - success should result in a little tune from the mobo. With the reduced mac rom it will work ok under OSX and classic but pretty awful under OS9 boot - the info to enable it in OS9 has been removed from the reduced rom. The reduced rom/chip is also not upgradeable with any ATI updates as they will try to write 128KB into a 64KB chip and kill the card - and resurrecting it will require a PC with a second display card so use the latest version reduced rom. Complete flashing info for dos commands etc should be on the mac elite wiki. All good stuff...let me know if you need any more... Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Jesse wrote: After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac -- currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Will going up to v2.26 enable one (or both) of those? As I mentioned earlier, the main reason I'm using this card is to enable monitor rotation -- so basically whatever ROM allows for that under 10.4. Thanks folks! You need to use a hack to get Quartz Extreme running on pci video card. I can not remember the name, maybe someone else can. I used it on 10.2, but never needed it on any OS higher so I don't know if it works in 10.4. I do not believe the pci 7000 supports core image, so you may be out of luck there. Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Non-Readable CDs on G4 MDD
For some time now, I've been ordering CDs of certain US Air Force records from an Air Force agency for a book I'm writing. These CDs, which contain PDFs of the records in question, all opened with no problems. However, with the last two orders, the CDs are not readable by my Mac G4 MDD. I get the following message: The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer. Disk Utility sees the disk but will not mount it and reports it as a Read-Only CD-R. These rogue CDs are readable on my wife's PC (Windows Vista) however. System Profiler reports the drive as an HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B. Specs: Firmware Revision:1.03 Interconnect: ATAPI Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipped/Supported) Cache:2048 KB Reads DVD:Yes CD-Write: -R, -RW Burn Underrun Protection CD: Yes Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw System Specs: Machine Name:Power Mac G4 Machine Model:PowerMac3,6 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Number Of CPUs: 2 CPU Speed:1.25 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 1.5 GB Bus Speed:167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2 OS is 10.4.11 Any clue why my DVD drive won't read these CDs? These are the only optical media I've encountered that have had this problem Michael McMurtrey Carrollton, TX -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Non-Readable CDs on G4 MDD
On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Michael McMurtrey wrote: For some time now, I've been ordering CDs of certain US Air Force records from an Air Force agency for a book I'm writing. These CDs, which contain PDFs of the records in question, all opened with no problems. However, with the last two orders, the CDs are not readable by my Mac G4 MDD. I get the following message: The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer. Disk Utility sees the disk but will not mount it and reports it as a Read-Only CD-R. These rogue CDs are readable on my wife's PC (Windows Vista) however. System Profiler reports the drive as an HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCC-4480B. Specs: Firmware Revision: 1.03 Interconnect: ATAPI Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipped/Supported) Cache: 2048 KB Reads DVD: Yes CD-Write: -R, -RW Burn Underrun Protection CD:Yes Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw System Specs: Machine Name: Power Mac G4 Machine Model: PowerMac3,6 CPU Type: PowerPC G4 (3.3) Number Of CPUs: 2 CPU Speed: 1.25 GHz L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB Memory: 1.5 GB Bus Speed: 167 MHz Boot ROM Version: 4.4.8f2 I suspect that they're Live File System disks, which are produced by default when someone running Windows XP or later sticks a disk in their drive and writes to it: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1086518?start=0tstart=0 You may be able to close these disks on your wife's computer. Also ask the folks producing these disks to make them in the 'Master' format or 'Close them' (I think that's the option.) -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Jesse wrote: After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac -- currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Neither QE or CI were ever supported for PCI video cards. There's a hack to get QE running, but when I did it many moons ago, I found that the incidence of random crashes did not outweigh the slim speed increase that QE offered. Also, now that I think about it (after you've gone through all this hassle) ATI never supported rotation on the 7000. I remember looking into it when I first got a LCD capable of rotating. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
Man... now THAT is bad news. That being said, the guy DID refund my money on the card purchase so it isn't like I'm out any money. Now, if I could just get all that TIME back. quelle drag... On Feb 23, 10:59 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Jesse wrote: After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac -- currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Neither QE or CI were ever supported for PCI video cards. There's a hack to get QE running, but when I did it many moons ago, I found that the incidence of random crashes did not outweigh the slim speed increase that QE offered. Also, now that I think about it (after you've gone through all this hassle) ATI never supported rotation on the 7000. I remember looking into it when I first got a LCD capable of rotating. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
Double check with ATI's website...I might be remembering the specs for the RAdeon 9000 AGP that I had in my G4. On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Jesse wrote: Man... now THAT is bad news. That being said, the guy DID refund my money on the card purchase so it isn't like I'm out any money. Now, if I could just get all that TIME back. quelle drag... On Feb 23, 10:59 am, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 23, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Jesse wrote: After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac -- currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Neither QE or CI were ever supported for PCI video cards. There's a hack to get QE running, but when I did it many moons ago, I found that the incidence of random crashes did not outweigh the slim speed increase that QE offered. Also, now that I think about it (after you've gone through all this hassle) ATI never supported rotation on the 7000. I remember looking into it when I first got a LCD capable of rotating. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On 23/02/2012 15:04, Jesse jesse.wm.wall...@gmail.com wrote: After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac -- currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Will going up to v2.26 enable one (or both) of those? As I mentioned earlier, the main reason I'm using this card is to enable monitor rotation -- so basically whatever ROM allows for that under 10.4. Thanks folks! Hmm - is that where you rotate the monitor itself or where the monitor stays as is and the display view is rotated with software? I thought the second method was called Versavision by ATI and is part of the still available ATI Displays Utilities prefs pane for Tiger and later. I've had it installed with ATI cards many times but never tried it so perhaps I'm mistaken and it is only of use for rotatable monitors. Can't try it cos I've currently got a GeForce installed. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
I guess the latter -- I have a 19 Trinitron monitor at 90º (mounted in an old Birdie King arcade cabinet) -- right now, the desktop displays in portrait and I need it to display in landscape in order for the front end to show up correctly. I have YET to install the drivers as I assumed that OS X (10.4.11) would be able to take care of it on its own as the iBook G4 booting off that same drive image shows the rotation options -- but that has a different ATI Radeon chip. On Feb 23, 12:17 pm, Peter Devlin pdim...@mail.com wrote: On 23/02/2012 15:04, Jesse jesse.wm.wall...@gmail.com wrote: After much doing (using a hybrid of methods), I was able to flash the Radeon 7000 PCI graphics card to successfully work on the Mac -- currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Will going up to v2.26 enable one (or both) of those? As I mentioned earlier, the main reason I'm using this card is to enable monitor rotation -- so basically whatever ROM allows for that under 10.4. Thanks folks! Hmm - is that where you rotate the monitor itself or where the monitor stays as is and the display view is rotated with software? I thought the second method was called Versavision by ATI and is part of the still available ATI Displays Utilities prefs pane for Tiger and later. I've had it installed with ATI cards many times but never tried it so perhaps I'm mistaken and it is only of use for rotatable monitors. Can't try it cos I've currently got a GeForce installed. Pete -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jesse wrote: I guess the latter -- I have a 19 Trinitron monitor at 90º (mounted in an old Birdie King arcade cabinet) -- right now, the desktop displays in portrait and I need it to display in landscape in order for the front end to show up correctly. I have YET to install the drivers as I assumed that OS X (10.4.11) would be able to take care of it on its own as the iBook G4 booting off that same drive image shows the rotation options -- but that has a different ATI Radeon chip. Making a MAME cabinet? :-) Yes rotation (and this is rotating the monitor) is managed by the driver and is dependent on the chipset. SO you may want to repurpose a notebook like the iBook for this purpose. They're readily available. I can no longer find the article on AMD's website that listed what board supported what features. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Jesse wrote: currently I'm using v2.08 of the ROM and have noticed that neither QE or Core Image are being supported. Will going up to v2.26 enable one (or both) of those? If you're using the reduced 2.08 ROM then upgrading to the reduced 2.26 might actually cause your card to not function, but you can always flash back, so you'll have to see? If you're using the full size 2.08 ROM absolutely upgrade to the full size 2.26 ROM, it improves function in OS X. In order to enable QE you'll need PCI Extreme 3.1 available at MacUpdate.com. You can't enable Core Image on any PCI cards other than hacked ROM GeForce FX5200 Ultra cards on PPC Macs. On hackintosh PCs running OS X there are quite a few PCI cards that enable both QE CI, but PPC Macs only have the FX5200 Ultra. As I mentioned earlier, the main reason I'm using this card is to enable monitor rotation -- so basically whatever ROM allows for that under 10.4. You'd need ATI Display Utility 4.5.7 in order to rotate, it's not handled natively in Tiger 10.4.11. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
re-flashing video cards for use in Mac computers
Does anyone have any experience in flashing a PC video card with the AGP slot connection for use in a G4 PowerMac (or G5 PowerMac), by installing it into the Mac and using a remote desktop program to display the screen on a different computer, so the re-flashing process can be run on the Mac while it has no working video card display? Sounds like a crazy idea, I know. But if a person doesn't have a Windows PC with an AGP slot any longer, and doesn't have a PCI video card that works on a Mac, what are the other options available? I have a 128mb VRAM Windows version of the ATI Radeon 8500, that I want to use in my dual 1.25GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, which I have upgraded to stock Apple dual 1.42GHz G4 CPU module. David dual booting MorphOS2.7 MacOSX10.5.8 on my 1.5GHz G4 MacMini and my dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac MDD, and MorphOS3.0 beta MacOSX10.5.8 of 15 17 1.67GHz G4 PowerBooks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
Here's what I could find with a quick search... http://www2.ati.com/drivers/macosx-ati-displays-4-5-1.html Added VERSAVISION display rotation on Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger) to select ATI OEM graphic solutions. RADEON 9800 XT RADEON 9800 Pro RADEON 9600 XT RADEON 9600 Pro RADEON 9200 (Mac Mini) So uh yeah... NOT the 7000 (annoyed grunt). On Feb 23, 1:04 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jesse wrote: I guess the latter -- I have a 19 Trinitron monitor at 90º (mounted in an old Birdie King arcade cabinet) -- right now, the desktop displays in portrait and I need it to display in landscape in order for the front end to show up correctly. I have YET to install the drivers as I assumed that OS X (10.4.11) would be able to take care of it on its own as the iBook G4 booting off that same drive image shows the rotation options -- but that has a different ATI Radeon chip. Making a MAME cabinet? :-) Yes rotation (and this is rotating the monitor) is managed by the driver and is dependent on the chipset. SO you may want to repurpose a notebook like the iBook for this purpose. They're readily available. I can no longer find the article on AMD's website that listed what board supported what features. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
And yes, it's a MAME cabinet (which is no small feat when using a Mac instead of a PC). 'j On Feb 23, 1:04 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote: On Feb 23, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Jesse wrote: I guess the latter -- I have a 19 Trinitron monitor at 90º (mounted in an old Birdie King arcade cabinet) -- right now, the desktop displays in portrait and I need it to display in landscape in order for the front end to show up correctly. I have YET to install the drivers as I assumed that OS X (10.4.11) would be able to take care of it on its own as the iBook G4 booting off that same drive image shows the rotation options -- but that has a different ATI Radeon chip. Making a MAME cabinet? :-) Yes rotation (and this is rotating the monitor) is managed by the driver and is dependent on the chipset. SO you may want to repurpose a notebook like the iBook for this purpose. They're readily available. I can no longer find the article on AMD's website that listed what board supported what features. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: ATI Radeon 7000 Mac Version 32MB PCI video card not recognized on Sawtooth
On Feb 23, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Jesse wrote: Here's what I could find with a quick search... http://www2.ati.com/drivers/macosx-ati-displays-4-5-1.html Your google-fu is strong today, that's the article I was remembering, but couldn't find. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson On 2/22/12 8:52 AM, Eleni elen...@otenet.gr wrote: One of the nicest looking with decent performance that Apple ever made, but ironically it was a commercial flop! These days I know many collectors are dying to get their hands on one of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eud1SWKhEwofeature=plcpcontext=C35b605bU DOEgsToPDskIwpQh-Eay9rt7nbF8J6vCe On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:19 PM, JohnV wrote: I'm about to dive in and replace the power supply in a G5. Caveats? suggestions? warnings? JV -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Right here bud But we need to convince him to make it a lemswap topic Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:19 PM, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: re-flashing video cards for use in Mac computers
Hello David! I suppose what you're proposing could work. I don't know if the software exists for Macintosh to flash graphics cards, though. I recently flashed a Geforce FX5500 to a FX5200, but had to use a PC to get it done, as the software required an x86-compatible system. Greetings, Eelco. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson Kyle, are you selling them and if so, would they handle MacDraw? Thanks, John Callahan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. That surely beats my record on unit count, but not on weight. I have NINE Apple Network Servers, one 500 and eight 700s. Two of the 700s are factory remanufactured equal to new. Most have 200 MHz processor cards. All have the architectural maximum of 512 MB main storage and the 1 MB cache card. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. That surely beats my record on unit count, but not on weight. I have NINE Apple Network Servers, one 500 and eight 700s. Two of the 700s are factory remanufactured equal to new. Most have 200 MHz processor cards. All have the architectural maximum of 512 MB main storage and the 1 MB cache card. Woof. I thought I was an oddball for owning two (one 500, one 700). The 500 only just got demoted last week (it is now the backup server); beforehand, it was my primary server for almost 14 years. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- We only pretend to have standards. -- Unknown producer, ABC-TV - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
The most of anything that I've got, is 7 G4 PowerMacs. I'm using a Quicksilver with a TV Tuner, and a Gig-E Dual 500MHZ running Leopard for web stuff and cd burning. The others make a nice stack in the corner. -Jonas -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
That surely beats my record on unit count, but not on weight. I have NINE Apple Network Servers, one 500 and eight 700s. Two of the 700s are factory remanufactured equal to new. Most have 200 MHz processor cards. All have the architectural maximum of 512 MB main storage and the 1 MB cache card. Woof. I thought I was an oddball for owning two (one 500, one 700). The 500 only just got demoted last week (it is now the backup server); beforehand, it was my primary server for almost 14 years. 500s are good development/test machines. The essential components (motherboard, case, etcetera) are identical to the 700, but the PSU and power backplane are different. I once had a connection with an Apple destructor/salvager and could buy nearly all parts, but particularly the mechanical parts, very cheaply. My worst-looking 700 became a 500 by replacing the power components mentioned with salvaged 500 units. The hot-pluggable 700 PSUs liberated thereby went into 700s thereby giving these N+1 redundancy. Such redundancy is not needed on a test machine. An ANS has eight EDO/FPM RAM slots and can, theoretically, accommodate 1024 MB of RAM. However, the ROM has a critical flaw and it will fail to POST if even one DIMM is installed which causes the total RAM to exceed 500 MB. Therefore, 512 MB at 8 x 64 MB is the optimum. Some time ago, an eBay seller was selling a lot of 64 MB parity DIMMs really cheaply, and the whole box of these went for not much more than a buck a stick, with free shipping. Presto, all my ANSes received their maximum complement of 512 MB. A stock, off-the-shelf 500 has 32 MB as 4 x 8 MB of IBM RAM. A stock, off-the-shelf 700 has 48 MB as 2 x 16 MB + 2 x 8 MB of IBM RAM. As with most 7000 (except the 7200), 8000 and 9000 series PPC machines, the RAM may be any mix of EDO or FPM as all RAM accesses are by FPM. Alas, no G3 card was made for the ANS. The 604ev was the best which was offered. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
Hope that you did not get the one with the liquid cooling system. These tend to leek and die. I personally like to use abandon ware from Classic Mac, and because I am also conscious of the fact that certain PowerMacs can waste lot of electric power (400-550Watt) I love the Mac mini G4. Under Tiger I can run lots of free abandon ware from Macintosh Garden, and it consumes only up to 85W! You can install Leopard if you like, and having a firewire you can use lots of external HDs in a chain if you choose to. Although you only have two USB ports, you can pair it with wireless keyboard and mouse and still have two unused USB ports. Check this video if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HBP5Jea7Ufeature=plcpcontext=C3d6f01fUDOEgsToPDskL75FoA5QgOZ5HUS3_Q2gQ6 Any ideas or comments are welcomed. On Feb 20, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Mark Langthorne wrote: I got my G5 from the same guy off eBay fatfreddie2004. It came quick and had a lot of software pre installed on it. On Feb 17, 2:49 pm, Avid_Fan spe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
I am guessing now would be a good time to list my G4 450MHZ Cube. If anyone is interested, let me know. Sent from my iPod On Feb 23, 2012, at 1:22 PM, Jesse jesselorenstj...@gmail.com wrote: Right here bud But we need to convince him to make it a lemswap topic Sent from my iPhone 4 On Feb 23, 2012, at 3:19 PM, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: G4 Cube
Not shipping them. I am an enthusiast, and every time I ship one it gets broken. -- Kyle Hansen When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro! --Hunter S. Thompson On 2/23/12 1:19 PM, John Ruschmeyer jrusc...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Kyle Hansen pi...@speakeasy.net wrote: Really? I have 22 of them here collecting dust. Really? What would it take to get them into the hands of enthusiasts? --waves hands JR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Eleni wrote: I love the Mac mini G4. I have a G4 Mini, and I like the concept, but the actual product left much to be desired. Most G4 Minis are limited to 1GB RAM in a single slot, and the requirement of low density RAM makes the RAM twice as expensive as normal RAM. A second slot would have helped a lot, or if the memory controller could recognize server ECC RAM which comes in 2GB sticks and is readily available CHEAP, that would also have helped. The video is generally restricted to a paltry 32MB which is a bottleneck for any modern 1920x1080 monitor or HDTV. The video has a timing limitation that makes it not work well with many HDTVs and monitors. I can see that it would be perfect for running old Classic software on a lower resolution monitor, but the G4 Mini COULD have been one of the real gems IF it had more the ability to accept more RAM and VRAM. If you're using the 1.42GHz which appears in the video you posted, I'd recommend doing the simple hack to overclock it to 1.58GHz. You removed a single tiny resistor from the motherboard, and then add a few lines of code into the firmware, and you've got about 15% more speed for a tiny little work. I've got both the G4 Mini and the G5, the G5 is definitely more useful in today's computing environment. It's a shame these old G4 Minis don't have enough horsepower to be harnessed as effective media center computers. They're kinda lost without enough RAM or VRAM. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
