G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread arichic...@gmail.com
I am finding some confusing, conflicting information online so I just
want a clear definitive answer: I thought all G5's supported and had
an ADC port. I currently have an older Apple Studio Display I really
like, using it with a G4 DA. If I upgrade to a G5, I want to use this
same monitor. So which G5's DON'T SUPPORT ADC? Given that I want a G5
with ADC, which would be the best one to get? Reliability would be the
top priority, then lower power consumption.

While I am posting, let me also ask if the G4 MDD all support ADC. Did
any MDD come with USB 2?

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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Kris Tilford

On May 2, 2012, at 2:15 AM, arichic...@gmail.com wrote:


I am finding some confusing, conflicting information online so I just
want a clear definitive answer: I thought all G5's supported and had
an ADC port. I currently have an older Apple Studio Display I really
like, using it with a G4 DA. If I upgrade to a G5, I want to use this
same monitor. So which G5's DON'T SUPPORT ADC? Given that I want a G5
with ADC, which would be the best one to get? Reliability would be the
top priority, then lower power consumption.


The only G5 versions that do not support ADC are the Late 2005 water- 
cooled with PCIe 16-lane video. All the other G5's from the original  
to the Early 2005 are air-cooled and have AGP video slots that  
support ADC. None are good for power consumption, and since the  
earlier single CPU versions had lower wattage power supplies, the  
early versions will have the lowest power consumption, and the slowest  
speed. Generally speaking the Early 2005 units are considered to be  
reliable and will support ADC if they have an AGP video card with an  
ADC port. Video cards with ADC ports generally sell at a discount to  
ones lacking an ADC port because most people don't use ADC and would  
rather have two DVI ports for modern LCD displays.



While I am posting, let me also ask if the G4 MDD all support ADC. Did
any MDD come with USB 2?


No. You can add USB 2 with a PCI card very inexpensively.

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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Mac User #330250
--  Original message  --
Subject: G5 and ADC
Date:Wednesday, 02. May 2012
From:arichic...@gmail.com arichic...@gmail.com
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 I am finding some confusing, conflicting information online so I just
 want a clear definitive answer: I thought all G5's supported and had
 an ADC port. I currently have an older Apple Studio Display I really
 like, using it with a G4 DA. If I upgrade to a G5, I want to use this
 same monitor. So which G5's DON'T SUPPORT ADC? Given that I want a G5
 with ADC, which would be the best one to get? Reliability would be the
 top priority, then lower power consumption.

A list of all Power Mac G5s:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/index-powermac-g5.html


Power Mac G5 with ADC:
1) the original G5 (2003, one is also referred to as Late 2003)
2) Mid 2004
3) Late 2004

Power Mac G5 WITHOUT ADC, but PCI/PCI-X:
1) Early 2005

AFAIK the system board of these models doesn't have an ADC connector, so you 
cannot even use a card from a previous model with ADC in an Early 2005.

Power Mac G5 without ADC, PCI-Express:
1) Late 2005

The Late 2005 uses a completely different internal bus, PCI-Express (PCIe) 
instead of PCI (and PCI-X, which is fully compatible to PCI).

The Early 2005 and the Late 2005 models feature Dual-DVI. Pre-2005 models
have ADC and DVI.

This list may help you:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/faq/powermac-g5-adc-ports-dvi-ports-resolutions-supported.html

 While I am posting, let me also ask if the G4 MDD all support ADC. Did
 any MDD come with USB 2?

AFAIK all G4 MDDs and FW800s had ADC.

No G4 had USB 2.0, the first to have USB 2.0 is the Power Mac G5.


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: BW G3 as music server

2012-05-02 Thread Steven
Thanks a lot for the tips, Bruce. I will see what I can do.

On May 1, 8:53 pm, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
 On May 1, 2012, at 2:33 AM, Steven wrote:

  I can place it out of sight with space for a monitor and run a
  cable to the stereo. I am running OS9 and was planning on using
  iTunes. I wanted to ask the group if there were more elegant ways of
  doing this or maybe a better way to use the old girl.

 If you install OSX 10.4 on it you will a) be able to run a more current 
 version of iTunes, and b) use VNC to control it from your iMac if it's 
 connected to your network, eliminating the need for a monitor.

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Re: BW G3 as music server

2012-05-02 Thread t...@io.com


On May 1, 4:33 am, Steven schultz...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 I've been trying to figure out how I could use my BW G3/450 since
 upgrading to an iMac. I really don't want to get rid of it. I thought
 that using it as a music server in the living room would be a good
 idea. I can place it out of sight with space for a monitor and run a
 cable to the stereo. I am running OS9 and was planning on using
 iTunes. I wanted to ask the group if there were more elegant ways of
 doing this or maybe a better way to use the old girl.

If you want music in other parts of the house, consider getting a Roku
SoundBridge, or similar device.  Roku discontinued them a few years
ago.  Basically, they're an ethernet (wireless or wired) connection
coming in on one side and sound jacks (analog and digital) going out
on the other side.  They connect to a variety of music servers, but
probably work best with iTunes, and let you play your music library
anywhere you can connect to your household network.

http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php

I'm pretty certain there are other similar products which are still
sold and supported by other manufacturers.

All that said, I eventually decided that my Beige G3 was too bulky to
keep around as a music server and switched to a G4 Mac Mini with a
stack of drives in Newer Technology MiniStacks.

Jeff Walther

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Re: Source of spare parts for G3 / G4?

2012-05-02 Thread Dan

At 8:32 AM -0400 4/30/2012, William Tomcanin wrote:
I'm wondering where I can find spare / replacement parts for my 
aging G3's and G4.


LEM's Swap mailing list is perhaps the best resource.

eBay.  Craigslist.  OtherWorldComputing (macsales.com).  DV Warehouse. ...

Google can find a lot of things, eg search on imac g4 parts

I am searching for a replacement power supply for my G3 gooseneck 
iMac.  I also need some replacement parts for my G3 Lombard 
powerbook.


The gooseneck Mac is a G4.

Use everymac.com to make sure you know exactly what Mac you have.

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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Cameron Kaiser
  While I am posting, let me also ask if the G4 MDD all support ADC. Did
  any MDD come with USB 2?
 
 AFAIK all G4 MDDs and FW800s had ADC.
 
 No G4 had USB 2.0, the first to have USB 2.0 is the Power Mac G5.

No *MDD* had USB 2.0. However, the later iMac G4s did. These iMac G4s cannot
boot OS 9 (I have one of them).

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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Wayne Stewart
You could pick up an Apple ADC to DVI adapter, then you could use the
display with almost any Mac.

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G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread James Morgan
	I have two MDD G4's running OS 10.4.11. Does anyone know if these  
computers will successfully run OS 10.5?


Thanks for your help.

James K Morgan



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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 2, 2012, at 9:52 AM, James Morgan wrote:

   I have two MDD G4's running OS 10.4.11. Does anyone know if these 
 computers will successfully run OS 10.5?

Unless they're RAM-starved ( 1G, and pretty cheap to fix) yes they'll run 10.5 
just fine.

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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 2-05-2012 18:52, James Morgan ha scritto:

 I have two MDD G4's running OS 10.4.11. Does anyone know if these
 computers will successfully run OS 10.5?

Keep in mind two things:
- With 10.5, you'll lose Classic
- Some users experienced a slowing down, going from 10.4 to 10.5.

If the above are a concern to you, you might want to have both OSes on two
different partitions.

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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread Jesse Stjohn
My dual1.25
Mdd  is doing very well with 10.5, not faster than tiger just different 
I love it.

The greater the animal, the greater the man 

On May 2, 2012, at 11:57 AM, Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

 
 On May 2, 2012, at 9:52 AM, James Morgan wrote:
 
I have two MDD G4's running OS 10.4.11. Does anyone know if these 
 computers will successfully run OS 10.5?
 
 Unless they're RAM-starved ( 1G, and pretty cheap to fix) yes they'll run 
 10.5 just fine.
 
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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Douglas Mencken
Guys, the DVI and ADC connectors are almost the same. There are cheap
(~$20) adapters. I see no reason to buy another video card just to
plug some other monitor into it.

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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Douglas Mencken wrote:

 Guys, the DVI and ADC connectors are almost the same. There are cheap
 (~$20) adapters. I see no reason to buy another video card just to
 plug some other monitor into it.

Those cheap adapters go from ADC output to DVI monitor, enabling the use of a 
DVI monitor on an ADC port.

DVI output to ADC monitor, is a whole 'nother kettle of horses of a different 
color. There you're getting into $$$ DVIators and such.

This is why ADC monitors are dirt cheap, they're well-nigh useless.

(Thank Jobs Apple FINALLY decided to get out of the nonsensical 'making up our 
own connectors' stuff. They're still on the 'lets use standard connectors that 
nobody else in the world uses', but that's at least something that can change 
in time.)

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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread JOHN CARMONNE


On May 2, 2012, at 9:52 AM, James Morgan wrote:

	I have two MDD G4's running OS 10.4.11. Does anyone know if these  
computers will successfully run OS 10.5?


Thanks for your help.

James K Morgan

 They will run 10.5.8.  867MHz processor is the slowest  recommended  
speed for 10.5. the faster the better.


John Carmonne
Placentia CA 92870
From iMac Core Duo 2.0








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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Mac User #330250
--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: G5 and ADC
Date:Wednesday, 02. May 2012
From:Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
   While I am posting, let me also ask if the G4 MDD all support ADC. Did
   any MDD come with USB 2?
  
  AFAIK all G4 MDDs and FW800s had ADC.
  
  No G4 had USB 2.0, the first to have USB 2.0 is the Power Mac G5.
 
 No *MDD* had USB 2.0. However, the later iMac G4s did. These iMac G4s
 cannot boot OS 9 (I have one of them).

You're right of course. I was thinking about Power Mac G4.

The PowerBook G4 starting with the September 2003 (PowerBook5,3) as well as 
the iBook G4 (starting October 2003, PowerBook6,3) also feature USB 2.0.

The eMac from April 2004 (PowerMac6,4) and its successor from May 2005 (same 
model ID) also have USB 2.0.

And, as you correctly state, the iMac G4 from September 2003 (PowerMac6,1) and 
from November 2003 (PowerMac6,3) also have USB 2.0, as well as all iMac G5 
models.

I should have phrased this more clearly.
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: G4 and OS 10.5
Date:Wednesday, 02. May 2012
From:Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Il giorno 2-05-2012 18:52, James Morgan ha scritto:
  I have two MDD G4's running OS 10.4.11. Does anyone know if these
  computers will successfully run OS 10.5?
 
 Keep in mind two things:
 - With 10.5, you'll lose Classic
 - Some users experienced a slowing down, going from 10.4 to 10.5.
 
 If the above are a concern to you, you might want to have both OSes on two
 different partitions.

IMHO on Leopard (compared to Tiger) the slowdown is mostly due to lack of 
Quartz Extreme and Core Image on the graphics performance side (meaning: _not_ 
processor performance).

The slowdown is most noticeable already in Tiger with things like Spotlight 
indexing in the background (which gladly can be disabled) and Dashboard and 
TimeMachine and maybe other services that lay hard work on a slow processor 
and/or use up valuable system memory.

If you disable all that, you should be happy.
Additionally, you can get rid of some eye-candy that will load your graphics 
card (and processor, if you graphics card is without QE/CI) unnecessarily.
http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/performance.html
(Very good on systems with /old/ graphics cards, such as a ATi Rage 128 or 
so.)

For Leopard, I think you really *have to* have a good graphics card that 
features both, QE and CI. Otherwise it will always feel like you have the 
brakes on…

Just my 2¢
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Clark Martin


Sent from an iPhone, but is it mine?

On May 2, 2012, at 10:23 AM, Douglas Mencken dougmenc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Guys, the DVI and ADC connectors are almost the same. There are cheap
 (~$20) adapters. I see no reason to buy another video card just to
 plug some other monitor into it.

To plug an ADC monitor into a DVI port you need more than a simple adapter, you 
need a 28V, 4 A power supply too. And perhaps some more stuff too. 

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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread Stephen Conrad
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.netwrote:


 The slowdown is most noticeable already in Tiger with things like Spotlight
 indexing in the background (which gladly can be disabled) and Dashboard and
 TimeMachine and maybe other services that lay hard work on a slow processor
 and/or use up valuable system memory.


-  Yet people say Time Machine is a good thing  :)




If you disable all that, you should be happy.
 Additionally, you can get rid of some eye-candy that will load your
 graphics
 card (and processor, if you graphics card is without QE/CI) unnecessarily.
 http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/performance.html
 (Very good on systems with /old/ graphics cards, such as a ATi Rage 128 or
 so.)

 For Leopard, I think you really *have to* have a good graphics card that
 features both, QE and CI. Otherwise it will always feel like you have the
 brakes on…

 - Good thing My MDD with a Dell monitor (both NEC monitors died) supports
both

*ATI Radeon 9000 Pro:*


  Chipset Model: ATY,RV250

  Type: Display

  Bus: AGP

  Slot: SLOT-1

  VRAM (Total): 128 MB

  Vendor: ATI (0x1002)

  Device ID: 0x4966

  Revision ID: 0x0001

  ROM Revision: 113-99703-127

  Displays:

*DELL D1025TM:*

  Resolution: 1024 x 768 @ 85 Hz

  Depth: 32-Bit Color

  Core Image: Software

  Main Display: Yes

  Mirror: Off

  Online: Yes

  Quartz Extreme: Supported

*Display Connector:*
  Status: No Display Connected


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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Kris Tilford

On May 2, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:


This is why ADC monitors are dirt cheap, they're well-nigh useless.


Amen.

I see 4x3 aspect ratio LCD monitors for dirt cheap, say $20 for a 17  
that's 1280x1024, a little more for a 19 or larger. Small 16x9 LCD  
are cheap used also, people often upgrade a computer and use it with  
their HDTV or something, so I can't see any reason to not recycle an  
ADC monitor. The OP was asking about energy efficiency of G5's, when  
an LCD monitor at retail will pay for itself in energy savings in 3  
years, and a used one in a few short months. From an energy efficiency  
standpoint LCD monitors are a no-brainer.


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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread Jesse Stjohn
Well then I'll take all of them you guys want to recycle ;)

The greater the animal, the greater the man 

On May 2, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote:

 On May 2, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
 
 This is why ADC monitors are dirt cheap, they're well-nigh useless.
 
 Amen.
 
 I see 4x3 aspect ratio LCD monitors for dirt cheap, say $20 for a 17 that's 
 1280x1024, a little more for a 19 or larger. Small 16x9 LCD are cheap used 
 also, people often upgrade a computer and use it with their HDTV or 
 something, so I can't see any reason to not recycle an ADC monitor. The OP 
 was asking about energy efficiency of G5's, when an LCD monitor at retail 
 will pay for itself in energy savings in 3 years, and a used one in a few 
 short months. From an energy efficiency standpoint LCD monitors are a 
 no-brainer.
 
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Re: G4 and OS 10.5

2012-05-02 Thread Bruce Johnson

On May 2, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Stephen Conrad wrote:

 On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net 
 wrote:
 
 The slowdown is most noticeable already in Tiger with things like Spotlight
 indexing in the background (which gladly can be disabled) and Dashboard and
 TimeMachine and maybe other services that lay hard work on a slow processor
 and/or use up valuable system memory.
 
 -  Yet people say Time Machine is a good thing  :)


It is, as is Spotlight. Both are vastly better under 10.5, too. (Spotlight, in 
particular, is actually usable!)

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Re: G5 and ADC

2012-05-02 Thread a1

 --  Original message  --
 Subject: G5 and ADC
 Date:Wednesday, 02. May 2012
 From:arichic...@gmail.com arichic...@gmail.com
 To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
  I am finding some confusing, conflicting information online so I just
  want a clear definitive answer: I thought all G5's supported and had
  an ADC port.
Mac User #330250 wrote:

 Power Mac G5 with ADC:
 1) the original G5 (2003, one is also referred to as Late 2003)
 2) Mid 2004
 3) Late 2004

 Power Mac G5 WITHOUT ADC, but PCI/PCI-X:
 1) Early 2005

 AFAIK the system board of these models doesn't have an ADC connector, so you
 cannot even use a card from a previous model with ADC in an Early 2005.

Thanks to everyone who responded. The Apple Studio monitor I am using
is the LCD type, and it is the brightest nicest monitor I have used on
a desktop. It is better than the monitor in my imac G4, which I
thought was extraordinary. I am picky about the visual presentation
because I have had some visual issues. I am looking to upgrade on the
very cheap and hence do not want to replace the monitor--especially if
it would involve a generic downgrade. In my area of Chicago, a G5 can
be had for around $100 if the seller understands what he has, and a
MDD can be had for about $60. I had been leaning towards a G5 because
my ipod touch seems to require not only USB 2 but 10.5. But now, it
seems I am more likely to find a MDD to go with my ADC monitor. I also
use the Apple Pro speakers and do not think they work with a G5.

So it would seem that the most powerful G5 I could get and keep using
ADC with no adapter is this one:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html

Anyone have an opinion on it? Any reason to drop down in my search for
a lesser model?

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