G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
Do they make good ones? Can I install, say, XBMC or Mythbuntu on a PPC Mac?
Do they play 1080p video well?
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Re: G5 fans racing

2012-08-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
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This is a very, very common issue. Most of the time, its some PMU thing,
but occasionally, it's faulty temperature readings. The low 40s C are
acceptable processor temperatures; the 47C memory is strange but within
reason. A DP of mine developed this issue, except the fan would just blast
at random times until I shut it off. Turns out it was reporting 70C+
temperatures randomly; I wound up disassembling the thing and cleaning the
fans and the like; that didn't work. I used it for a while with the fans
forced to idle, but then I scrapped it for parts.


On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 3:46 PM, arichic...@gmail.com
arichic...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dual 1.8 G5. When I put it to sleep, sometimes, not every time, I come
 home and the fans are racing and it sounds like a 747 taking off. I
 already reduced speed in the system prefs. Before I reduced, the fans
 would come on once or twice an hour, but never loud racing. Since I
 reduced, the fans /never/ come on except in sleep mode.

 I would think in sleep mode /less/ power and heat would be generated.
 Anyone have a theory on this? I installed a temp monitor utility, and
 it tells me the processors are running about 105 degrees F; the memory
 controller heatsink at about 118 F.




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Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 Do they make good ones? Can I install, say, XBMC or Mythbuntu on a PPC Mac?
 Do they play 1080p video well?

G4s can play 720p at the high end, but I wouldn't play 1080p on anything
less than a 2.5+ GHz G5. Even then it can be choppy if the bitrate is high.

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Re: iTunes G3 radio playlist servers?

2012-08-13 Thread gifutiger


On Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:16:27 AM UTC-7, Kris Tilford wrote:

 On Aug 12, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Dan wrote: 

  What a retarded Apple move.  Bad enough that they made the change,   
  but to do it without any sort of announcement / warning  How   
  does that say, in any way, that Apple has any respect whatsoever for   
  their customers?  Disgusting. 

 I agree, totally bad move for Apple. I suspect if we bitch to the   
 radio stations, the stations will bitch to Apple with more clout than   
 us? 


Sounds like a good idea, however  kts-af.net is an underlying service that 
receives a fee for redirecting traffic.
In case your not aware of it when you go to a WEB Page and click on a link 
that takes you to another WEB Page, the receiving Owner of that page has 
to PAY the referring page owner for the potential customer.
I've been retired for more than 10 years now and the ISP that we owned 
(PGEXPRESS.COM) went bankrupt in the U.S. and was moved back to London, so 
I don't remember how much is paid to the referring page owner, it is not 
very much Oh say something like $0.1 (just a guess perhaps another 
member knows the exact amount) but if you consider 100,000,000 link 
connections a day can add up to a sizable amount.
In addition let's take Google as an example, when you click on the 
Shopping icon and follow one of the links, Google is paid a link referral 
fee and if you purchase something using that link then Google gets and 
additional fee.

Therefore if you are being referred directly to a radio station link from 
iTunes kts-af.net is being cut out of the fee chain. So expecting that the 
radio station will be support going back to the old way doesn't have much 
of a chance.

Cheers

Harry
San Jose, Ca.

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Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
Super. I'm still using a Phenom II X6 desktop for HTPC duty, but using 400W
is not fun for 3, 4 hours a day. Although I can play Crysis on my TV, I
want something a bit more economical. An early Intel mini?
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  Do they make good ones? Can I install, say, XBMC or Mythbuntu on a PPC
 Mac?
  Do they play 1080p video well?

 G4s can play 720p at the high end, but I wouldn't play 1080p on anything
 less than a 2.5+ GHz G5. Even then it can be choppy if the bitrate is high.

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Re: iTunes G3 radio playlist servers?

2012-08-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
 Seems like Apple would
 prefer to view my iPod as their personal ATM. I've gotten an older
 [2.5 generation] iPod touch and honestly I've grown to detest the
 thing. Wifi is incredibly slow, the touch typing is annoying and slow,
 and not uniform across apps, no streaming internet radio by default.
 It does nothing *well*, and what it does do--play music I already
 own---so did my Walkman from 1986 [except that Walkman had also had
 simple access to free radio].

I hate to be /that guy/, but I recently bought myself a used Zune HD
and it works very well with all of my computers (PC and Mac alike). I
replaced my older iPod Touch because of what you described: Apple not
really supporting anything, either. In addition, the audio quality on
my FLACs was subpar; I often blast the tunes off of it on huge speaker
systems, and I got tired of FLACs sounding like 128kbps MP3s. The Zune
works reasonably well; to sync on Mac, just load up the tiny,
low-resource sync utility, point it to a folder of MP3s, and wait a
few minutes. Wifi is quite usable, and the web browser is as nice as
an older iPhone's when over wifi. I'm not big on games (I have a PSP
for that), but there *are* a few nice ones, esp. with some hacking.
Streaming Internet radio support is available with a little hacking,
and it picks up both FM and HD radio really, really well out of  the
box. Furthermore, the UI is really nice and easy, and the OLED screen
is gorgeous when watching movies on it. The downside is the fact that
my used 64GB cost $280 (about the same as a new iPod Touch, right?),
and that's the low end for the pricing on these guys (mine had some
geometric design etched in the back; plain-backed ones can't be had
for under $350). Battery lasts three days of on-again, off-again usage
(probably about 15 hours of music, with one movie's worth play) The
bad thing is the price, the manufacturer, and the fact that they don't
sync natively with macs running pre-10.4 OSes. Still a great way to
spend a week's wages, though.

Other than that, I really like the Samsung Galaxy players and some of
the newer Sandisks for music, esp. if you load Rockbox. The thing is
that I have ~250GB of FLACs (with an MP3 copy of each for various
purposes) and I need, at the very least, 60GB of storage (to have my
favorites in FLAC and a bunch of other stuff in 320 MP3s). I might get
a 160GB Classic, but the battery life worries me.

Back on topic: I think that iTunes' radio support is mediocre at best,
but updating the links manually seems like the only way to go here.
I'd really like to think that this is just another Apple-Hates-PPC
move, but some of my stations on an Intel mac were lost too, so I
dunno.

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Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 Super. I'm still using a Phenom II X6 desktop for HTPC duty, but using 400W
 is not fun for 3, 4 hours a day. Although I can play Crysis on my TV, I
 want something a bit more economical. An early Intel mini?

My 2007 C2D mini does okay with 1080p. However, it does not do a lot better
than the quad G5 (I suspect the anaemic GMA graphics are to blame). That said,
it certainly uses a lot less power.

The 2007 C2D can run 10.7 and they're pretty cheap, but they won't run 10.8
(and for that reason I've kept it at 10.6.8 since I can't stand Lion).

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Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
I was looking into using the 07 model. Is Front Row passable or should
I install Mythbuntu or XBMC?
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.com wrote:
 Super. I'm still using a Phenom II X6 desktop for HTPC duty, but using 400W
 is not fun for 3, 4 hours a day. Although I can play Crysis on my TV, I
 want something a bit more economical. An early Intel mini?

 My 2007 C2D mini does okay with 1080p. However, it does not do a lot better
 than the quad G5 (I suspect the anaemic GMA graphics are to blame). That said,
 it certainly uses a lot less power.

 The 2007 C2D can run 10.7 and they're pretty cheap, but they won't run 10.8
 (and for that reason I've kept it at 10.6.8 since I can't stand Lion).

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Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 I was looking into using the 07 model. Is Front Row passable or should
 I install Mythbuntu or XBMC?

I've used Front Row briefly, but not any of the others. I'm one of them
(still plays DVDs and physical media in a standalone player).

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Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
Thanks. I'll probably just wind up building a PC HTPC because I want
to be able to rip Blu-rays, but I could always use a G4 for my tiny
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 I was looking into using the 07 model. Is Front Row passable or should
 I install Mythbuntu or XBMC?

 I've used Front Row briefly, but not any of the others. I'm one of them
 (still plays DVDs and physical media in a standalone player).

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Re: G4 Mac Mini HTPC Use

2012-08-13 Thread Kris Tilford

On Aug 13, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote:


An early Intel mini?


Better choice. More VRAM, you can upgrade the CPU.

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G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread John Carmonne
I have a G3 iMac 600 OS 9.2.2 and I need to connect it to a Quadra 650 OS 7.5.5 
via Ethernet. I only need to transfer text files to and from the desk tops of 
the two machines, no internet or program sharing, only file sharing. I've done 
this in the past but I'm at a block wall on it now.  I want a very simple one 
cable setup, anyone know how to do this? I've tried to do it with Tiger on the 
G3 but I get nowhere so I'm going to install OS 9 on it instead.


John Carmonne
Yorba Linda USA
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Fastest way to run OS9 apps?

2012-08-13 Thread Illirik Smirnov
Which would be faster:

A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or
A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic?
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Re: Fastest way to run OS9 apps?

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or
 A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic?

Depends on the app. Arguably the quad (I assume you mean) G5 will be faster
at raw computational speed even in Classic, but the G4 will be faster with
screen repainting because it doesn't have the rest of the interface to
worry about and isn't being preempted.

As a practical example, Classilla's JavaScript benchmarks are faster when
I run it in Classic on the quad G5, but it is much more responsive on the
MDD in 9.2.2.

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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 I have a G3 iMac 600 OS 9.2.2 and I need to connect it to a Quadra 650 OS
 7.5.5 via Ethernet. I only need to transfer text files to and from the desk
 tops of the two machines, no internet or program sharing, only file sharing.

Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the
Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will
probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need
AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because
it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2.

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Re: Fastest way to run OS9 apps?

2012-08-13 Thread Bruce Johnson

On Aug 13, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Illirik Smirnov wrote:

 Which would be faster:
 
 A maxed-out G4 running OS9, or
 A maxed-out G5 running an OS9 app through Classic?

Depends on the app. 

Might be a maxed out Intel PowerMac running Sheepshaver

But generally the rule of thumb is if it needs direct access to the hardware, 
it needs to boot in 9 So those apps would run best on a G4. Otherwise the G5 
is the way to go.

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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread glen




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 Cc: 
 Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 5:43 PM
 Subject: Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?
 
  I have a G3 iMac 600 OS 9.2.2 and I need to connect it to a Quadra 650 OS
  7.5.5 via Ethernet. I only need to transfer text files to and from the desk
  tops of the two machines, no internet or program sharing, only file 
 sharing.
 
 Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the
 Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will
 probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need
 AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because
 it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2.
 

In addition, if you only have the two machines connected be sure you use the 
proper Ethernet cable. Many older Mac's require a crossover cable. See 
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2274
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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread John Carmonne

On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

 I have a G3 iMac 600 OS 9.2.2 and I need to connect it to a Quadra 650 OS
 7.5.5 via Ethernet. I only need to transfer text files to and from the desk
 tops of the two machines, no internet or program sharing, only file sharing.
 
 Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the
 Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will
 probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need
 AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because
 it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2.
 

Do I need to assign IP addresses to the machines to do this?

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
  Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the
  Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will
  probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need
  AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because
  it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2.
 
 How do I turn on the AFP on the 650? I looked and don't see anything
 it's 7.5.5. Speed is not an issue here just as long as I can daily get
 files from the Quadra to the G3 and onto a USB stick.

I'd really recommend using the G3 as the server and mounting it on the Q650
with the Chooser. Then drop stuff on the G3.

If you really want to go the other way, though, start it under the File
Sharing control panel (IIRC). However, I think you will find it suboptimal,
though it may not be a big deal for small files.

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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
  Just turn on file sharing from the control panel on the G3 and then use the
  Q650 as a client (you could do it in the reverse direction but that will
  probably be slower). You could do this with Tiger on the G3, but you'd need
  AFP-over-TCP enabled on the Q650, so OS 9 I agree would be easier because
  it still speaks AFP over traditional EtherTalk Phase 2.
 
 Do I need to assign IP addresses to the machines to do this?

Since it doesn't sound like you have AFP-over-TCP or a similar tool like
ShareWay IP installed on the Quadra, you'll just be using EtherTalk, and
that doesn't need an IP address. You just need to have AppleTalk on and set
to use Ethernet. You don't need TCP/IP for that.

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Re: iTunes G3 radio playlist servers?

2012-08-13 Thread Martin N

Lo,

At 16:56 13/08/2012, you wrote:


Other than that, I really like the Samsung Galaxy players and some of
the newer Sandisks for music, esp. if you load Rockbox.



Do you have a Samsung galaxy player?
I was looking at them as a DAP to replace my cowan d2.

Hi-Fi world mag (UK)_reviewed it as the best one from a group of
iPod classic, touch, Phillips, cowan and a Sony.

Martin N

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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread John Carmonne

On Aug 13, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

 
 
 Do I need to assign IP addresses to the machines to do this?
 
 Since it doesn't sound like you have AFP-over-TCP or a similar tool like
 ShareWay IP installed on the Quadra, you'll just be using EtherTalk, and
 that doesn't need an IP address. You just need to have AppleTalk on and set
 to use Ethernet. You don't need TCP/IP for that.
 

Ok thanks I'll get back at it in the morning. What settings doI need to look at 
on the iMac? OS 9.2.2. So as I get it I will mount the G3 via Chooser on the 
desktop of the Quadra. I'm pretty sure my cable is a crossover I was told that 
the orange color designates that but is there a more positive way.

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 Ok thanks I'll get back at it in the morning. What settings doI need to
 look at on the iMac? OS 9.2.2.

Turn AppleTalk on from the Chooser, if it isn't already.

Make sure AppleTalk is set to the correct Ethernet port under the Network
control panel and that it has an AppleTalk address.

Start File Sharing from the File Sharing control panel. Check that the
username and password are what you desire.

 So as I get it I will mount the G3 via Chooser on the desktop of the Quadra.

That's how I'd do it.

 I'm pretty sure my cable is a crossover I was told that the orange color
 designates that but is there a more positive way.

The colour of the cable doesn't necessarily mean anything. However, it might
say on the markings. If it says PATCH on the markings of the cable jacket,
it is NOT a crossover cable.

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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread Cameron Kaiser
 The colour of the cable doesn't necessarily mean anything. However, it might
 say on the markings. If it says PATCH on the markings of the cable jacket,
 it is NOT a crossover cable.

Er, it is *probably* not a crossover cable. I guess there could be some
pathologic DIYer who uses patch cable but wires it up in reverse. My crossover
cables actually say CROSSOVER on them, however.

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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread Ken Daggett


On 13 Aug 2012, at 19:32:15 PDT, Cameron Kaiser wrote:

The colour of the cable doesn't necessarily mean anything.  
However, it might
say on the markings. If it says PATCH on the markings of the cable  
jacket,

it is NOT a crossover cable.


Er, it is *probably* not a crossover cable. I guess there could be  
some
pathologic DIYer who uses patch cable but wires it up in reverse.  
My crossover

cables actually say CROSSOVER on them, however.

-
Easiest way is to hold the two ends of the cable together, in the  
same position, and look at the colored wires through the connectors.  
If the wires are the same in both, you have a regular cable. If  
not, you most likely have a crossover cable.


Ken

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Re: G3 iMac to Quadra 650 Ethernet?

2012-08-13 Thread Eleni
I think your answer is in this short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHCzykwpzZ0feature=plcp


On Aug 13, 2012, at 11:17 PM, John Carmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote:

 I have a G3 iMac 600 OS 9.2.2 and I need to connect it to a Quadra 650 OS 
 7.5.5 via Ethernet. I only need to transfer text files to and from the desk 
 tops of the two machines, no internet or program sharing, only file sharing. 
 I've done this in the past but I'm at a block wall on it now.  I want a very 
 simple one cable setup, anyone know how to do this? I've tried to do it with 
 Tiger on the G3 but I get nowhere so I'm going to install OS 9 on it instead.
 
 
 John Carmonne
 Yorba Linda USA
 Sent from my MBP
 
 
 
 
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