Re: DA G4 will not shut down
The Apple Hardware test gave me error code sc / 377 or something like that. This thing will not shut down without sitting on the power button. It hangs if you use shutdown from the apple menu quitting everything leaving the desktop picture. sudo shutdown -h won't even do that. On Monday, January 13, 2014 11:18:24 PM UTC-5, smac0031 wrote: My DA G4 doesn't shut down when you select shut down from the menu. It just malingers. Mark Murphy -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: DA G4 will not shut down
On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:02 AM, smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com wrote: The Apple Hardware test gave me error code sc / 377 or something like that. something like that is not really helpful. The exact error code and wording is important. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: DA G4 will not shut down
Greetings, My guess is that you don't want to fix your problem. I say this because there is only one way to fix your problem and I list them below. 1. Remove all of the cards in your machine except the video card, restart holding down the Cmd, Opt, P R keys until you hear the start-up chime at least twice. * If you don't hear the start-up chime then you have a processor problem - replace the processor with a known good processor. 2. If after step #1 you can shutdown, startup, open applications etc. then you are on your way to locating what is causing your problem and this step is for you to replace ½ of the cards that you removed in step #1. 3. Start up the machine again and if; you are back to where you were then remove ½ of the cards that you installed in step #2 and restart. *This step is predicated on the number of cards that you installed in step #2, if you only installed 2 cards then remove 1 card and repeat step #2. 4. If the machine boots and performs Okay then chances that the other card is your problem, however this may not be absolutely true, so to make sure remove the card that worked in step #3 and replace it with the card that was removed and restart. * If the second card works Okay then you might have a problem with one card interfering with the proper operation the other card or perhaps the card location. 5. If both card work Okay by themselves then you might want to try then in different slots, both at the same time, 6. Back to step #2 if the cards that were replaced in this step worked then you should replace ½ of the remaining cards that were removed initially and restart. * Repeating the process until the defective card or cards are discovered. Good Luck Harry Freeman San Jose, Ca On Monday, January 13, 2014 8:18:24 PM UTC-8, smac0031 wrote: My DA G4 doesn't shut down when you select shut down from the menu. It just malingers. Mark Murphy -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: DA G4 will not shut down
Sorry about the error code. I ran the test a second time and got scc /3/7. This was the long test. It passes the short test Also when I hit shutdown on the hardware test it immediately shuts down. I've booted the thing zapping the Pram. That works. The only non apple things in it now 1.6 gig processor and ata133 card. I'll phutz around with it some more and let you know what happens. Thanks for the help. This is a lot more involved than I thought it was going to be. Mark Murphy On Monday, January 13, 2014 11:18:24 PM UTC-5, smac0031 wrote: My DA G4 doesn't shut down when you select shut down from the menu. It just malingers. Mark Murphy -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: DA G4 will not shut down
On Jan 30, 2014, at 3:15 PM, smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the error code. I ran the test a second time and got scc /3/7. I'm not positive about this, but here's my best guess. I believe SCC is serial communications controller. There is no serial port on the DA G4, so this leaves only the optional modem as a serial device. I had already mentioned that any network type errors can stall shutdown. If you have the optional modem on your DA, removed it. This may fix your issue? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: DA G4 will not shut down
On Jan 30, 2014, at 3:15 PM, smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the error code. I ran the test a second time and got scc /3/7. Oops! I just saw this, which I believe is true. Apple hardware test will not run properly when their is a third party upgrade card in place, like that of your 1.2Ghz Sonnet G4, thus you see the 3/7 error. I suspect if you remove the CPU card, the hardware test will run clean... This may simply be a CPU card issue? -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: DA G4 will not shut down
On Jan 30, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Jan 30, 2014, at 3:15 PM, smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry about the error code. I ran the test a second time and got scc /3/7. I'm not positive about this, but here's my best guess. I believe SCC is serial communications controller. There is no serial port on the DA G4, so this leaves only the optional modem as a serial device. I had already mentioned that any network type errors can stall shutdown. If you have the optional modem on your DA, removed it. This may fix your issue? From what I've been able to glean SCC error codes mean 'Bad logic board'. However I also found references to that error occurring as a false positive because of 3rd party CPU upgrades being installed. If Kris' advice doesn't fix it, I'd lean towards new mobo/new computer as the fix, or live with it as is. I'm guessing that by the time everything but the desktop background disappears, everything's been written to disk, so I think the damage from forcing a power off will be pretty minimal. One thing that hasn't been mentioned, as I recall, is trying AppleJack to deep clean the caches and such. That's worth a try, cannot hurt. It'll also be a good test of a serious hardare error. If 'shutdown -h now' doesn't work in single-user mode it's definitely hardware. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Digest for g3-5-list@googlegroups.com - 6 Messages in 1 Topic
About the the G4-DA: Sounds like it needs a firmware update. One of mine had similar problems and that was it. The updaters are somewhere on the Apple support site. If you can, run 'System Profiler' and discover and compare the firmware versions. Good luck! -Gene . On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 2:56 AM, g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/topics - DA G4 will not shut down #143e2cadf59500e8_group_thread_0 [6 Updates] DA G4 will not shut downhttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list/t/84015fb18635f841 smac0031 m.smurph...@gmail.com Jan 29 12:37PM -0800 I tried safe boot and reinstalling 10.4.11 ppc combo update. It didn't make any difference. I also noticed it won't restart either. It hangs at the desktop picture and won't go any farther. I started with the command-v and a lot of text went by which I don't understand. Is this saved anywhere? Mark Murphy On Monday, January 13, 2014 11:18:24 PM UTC-5, smac0031 wrote: Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Jan 29 05:28PM -0600 I started with the command-v and a lot of text went by which I don't understand. Is this saved anywhere? Yes, it's saved temporarily and can be accessed via Terminal directly after startup, but we're not too concerned about the startup dialog right now, we're interested in the SHUTDOWN dialog. Since it won't complete a normal Shutdown, the dialog should remain on the screen frozen, for you to look at. The last few lines, especially the final line, is what we're likely interested in. To show the verbose startup dialog which is the kernel message buffer, you need to open Terminal immediately after boot and type the command 'dmesg' which is short for display message (no quotes). Later versions of OS X may require 'sudo dmesg' followed by admin password entry, but this shouldn't be required for yours. Again, we're interested in the messages at shutdown, which should be stalled upon the black screen to easily read. Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it Jan 30 12:19AM +0100 Il giorno 29/01/14 21.37, smac0031 ha scritto: I tried safe boot and reinstalling 10.4.11 ppc combo update. It didn't make any difference. This makes me think it's more likely is a hardware issue, not software. Reinstalling the update should have fixed most software issues, at least regarding OSX itself. But the issue could be from a different (non Apple) software as well, maybe some driver or kext (extension) from weird apps. In System Preferences, in the lower row (Tools or Accessories), what do you have? I also noticed it won't restart either. It hangs at the desktop picture and won't go any farther. This makes sense: to restart, it needs to shutdown the system first. Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Jan 30 12:17AM I also noticed it won't restart either. It hangs at the desktop picture and won't go any farther. This makes sense: to restart, it needs to shutdown the system first. Yes, this is a shutdown issue. If it persists when you do a safe boot, it's most likely something hardware related, because only Apple kexts are running then. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs Jack Countryman jcoun...@mac.com Jan 29 07:23PM -0500 If it were me, I'd take a different hard drive, wipe it, and install a system from the original system disks. Then reboot from the new setup. If it still has issues, it has to be hardware. If it works OK from that bare bones system, then update/add software till the problem shows up again. If you go one step at a time, you will know what was done last, therefore what caused the problem to start. Yeah, it takes time to step through to do this. If you knew what was done to the system just before this started, that might give you a better starting point. Then it would be worth undoing the last change to see if that fixes things. ~~~ Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net Jan 29 06:54PM -0600 If it persists when you do a safe boot, it's most likely something hardware related, because only Apple kexts are running then. Agreed, hardware is seeming likely. I still don't understand why he's not seeing the verbose shutdown dialog unless it stalls prior to reaching this point, which might be pointing toward a bad video card. I'd try removing and reseating the video card just-in-case... If he doesn't have the Apple Hardware Test CD, you can download an image here, and burn it, run the test, and see if there's a hardware issue: http://www.info.apple.com/support/aht.html --
