Re: Buying a G5
I agree, limiting memory capacity to 1GB on Macmini G4 is very much crippling the system, however if you like to do simple tasks under Tiger, and browse the internet it is more than capable. People tend to linstall Leopard and I think that should even lower available memory. I got mine with wireless card and bluetooth. I also have a superdrive which is having problems, it will only reads Apple CD/DVDs and nothing else! I upgraded the firmware but no luck. Any ideas? - Sorry for changing the subject here. Overall its a fine little machine and I still like to use it. On Feb 23, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Eleni wrote: Hope that you did not get the one with the liquid cooling system. These tend to leek and die. I personally like to use abandon ware from Classic Mac, and because I am also conscious of the fact that certain PowerMacs can waste lot of electric power (400-550Watt) I love the Mac mini G4. Under Tiger I can run lots of free abandon ware from Macintosh Garden, and it consumes only up to 85W! You can install Leopard if you like, and having a firewire you can use lots of external HDs in a chain if you choose to. Although you only have two USB ports, you can pair it with wireless keyboard and mouse and still have two unused USB ports. Check this video if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HBP5Jea7Ufeature=plcpcontext=C3d6f01fUDOEgsToPDskL75FoA5QgOZ5HUS3_Q2gQ6 Any ideas or comments are welcomed. On Feb 20, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Mark Langthorne wrote: I got my G5 from the same guy off eBay fatfreddie2004. It came quick and had a lot of software pre installed on it. On Feb 17, 2:49 pm, Avid_Fan spe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
On 2/24/12 10:56 AM, Eleni wrote: I agree, limiting memory capacity to 1GB on Macmini G4 is very much crippling the system, however if you like to do simple tasks under Tiger, and browse the internet it is more than capable. People tend to linstall Leopard and I think that should even lower available memory. I got mine with wireless card and bluetooth. I also have a superdrive which is having problems, it will only reads Apple CD/DVDs and nothing else! I upgraded the firmware but no luck. Any ideas? - Sorry for changing the subject here. Overall its a fine little machine and I still like to use it. The proper way to start a new topic is to start from scratch either thru the web page/site or from To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com You will get a faster response if done correctly. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
Hope that you did not get the one with the liquid cooling system. These tend to leek and die. I personally like to use abandon ware from Classic Mac, and because I am also conscious of the fact that certain PowerMacs can waste lot of electric power (400-550Watt) I love the Mac mini G4. Under Tiger I can run lots of free abandon ware from Macintosh Garden, and it consumes only up to 85W! You can install Leopard if you like, and having a firewire you can use lots of external HDs in a chain if you choose to. Although you only have two USB ports, you can pair it with wireless keyboard and mouse and still have two unused USB ports. Check this video if you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HBP5Jea7Ufeature=plcpcontext=C3d6f01fUDOEgsToPDskL75FoA5QgOZ5HUS3_Q2gQ6 Any ideas or comments are welcomed. On Feb 20, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Mark Langthorne wrote: I got my G5 from the same guy off eBay fatfreddie2004. It came quick and had a lot of software pre installed on it. On Feb 17, 2:49 pm, Avid_Fan spe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
On Feb 22, 2012, at 10:50 PM, Eleni wrote: I love the Mac mini G4. I have a G4 Mini, and I like the concept, but the actual product left much to be desired. Most G4 Minis are limited to 1GB RAM in a single slot, and the requirement of low density RAM makes the RAM twice as expensive as normal RAM. A second slot would have helped a lot, or if the memory controller could recognize server ECC RAM which comes in 2GB sticks and is readily available CHEAP, that would also have helped. The video is generally restricted to a paltry 32MB which is a bottleneck for any modern 1920x1080 monitor or HDTV. The video has a timing limitation that makes it not work well with many HDTVs and monitors. I can see that it would be perfect for running old Classic software on a lower resolution monitor, but the G4 Mini COULD have been one of the real gems IF it had more the ability to accept more RAM and VRAM. If you're using the 1.42GHz which appears in the video you posted, I'd recommend doing the simple hack to overclock it to 1.58GHz. You removed a single tiny resistor from the motherboard, and then add a few lines of code into the firmware, and you've got about 15% more speed for a tiny little work. I've got both the G4 Mini and the G5, the G5 is definitely more useful in today's computing environment. It's a shame these old G4 Minis don't have enough horsepower to be harnessed as effective media center computers. They're kinda lost without enough RAM or VRAM. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
I got my G5 from the same guy off eBay fatfreddie2004. It came quick and had a lot of software pre installed on it. On Feb 17, 2:49 pm, Avid_Fan spe...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
Thanks for the advice, all very helpful. I'll probably stick with a G5 to keep the cost down. Here's one I'm thinking of buying http://bit.ly/wVZsFk Model A1047 EMC 2061 Apple Mains Cable Running OSX Leopard 10.5.8 Spec of this Mac Dual 2.3 GHz G5 Processors ( NOT liquid cooled model ) 160 GB HDD SATA DVD-RW Pioneer 109 D (not tested for burning but works fine reading dvd's) 2 GB DDR PC 3200 RAM 128 MB VRAM Dual DVI output adapter needed for VGA or ADC 1 Ethernet port 3 USB 2 Ports 2 Firewire 400 Ports 1 Firewire 800 port Optical in and out Ports Sound in and out Ports 1 Headphone port Comes with Apple Mains cable Case is in reasonable condition but has a number of marks and scratches. Running OSX Leopard 10.5.8 iLife 09 On Feb 18, 8:55 pm, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: the Mac Pro is nice and all, but the fact remains that Intelness adds significant to the price. Hereabouts, a pristine dual 2.5 G5 sans RAM, video, and HDD (since personal preferences matter so much, when our little circle swaps machines we do so like this) can be had for ~$100; that means the whole shebang can be under $200 depending on the amount of RAM you want (if you're like me and have a lot of 256 and 512MB sticks lying around, 8 slots means that you can have plenty using a bunch of small sticks in matched pairs of capacity, not speed or brand). On the other hand, a dual 2.5 Mac Pro from the first gen is easily triple that, with no more than 50% increase in performance (most of which is due to DDR2 RAM) -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: The second hand Mac pros are way better than the G5. The Mac pros have better reliability They run cooler and quieter than the Powermac G5. They have Intel processors which mean it can run the latest mac os x and latest programs and boot camp windows. Im not saying that you shouldn't buy a Powermac G5 but any second hand mac pro 2006 or later would be a better choice its more cost effective wise than the G5. The thing you do give up with the Mac Pro is the ability to run Tiger and Classic. Otherwise the Mac Pro is a nice machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
$300 seems fine (It's more than one would cost in the States, but I know that everything technical's prices in the Kingdom are determined by dropping the dollar sign and adding a pound sign), but make sure that the 2GB isn't, say, 8x256MB (as such a configuration would make upgrading more difficult). -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Avid_Fan spe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the advice, all very helpful. I'll probably stick with a G5 to keep the cost down. Here's one I'm thinking of buying http://bit.ly/wVZsFk Model A1047 EMC 2061 Apple Mains Cable Running OSX Leopard 10.5.8 Spec of this Mac Dual 2.3 GHz G5 Processors ( NOT liquid cooled model ) 160 GB HDD SATA DVD-RW Pioneer 109 D (not tested for burning but works fine reading dvd's) 2 GB DDR PC 3200 RAM 128 MB VRAM Dual DVI output adapter needed for VGA or ADC 1 Ethernet port 3 USB 2 Ports 2 Firewire 400 Ports 1 Firewire 800 port Optical in and out Ports Sound in and out Ports 1 Headphone port Comes with Apple Mains cable Case is in reasonable condition but has a number of marks and scratches. Running OSX Leopard 10.5.8 iLife 09 On Feb 18, 8:55 pm, Illirik Smirnov illir...@gmail.com wrote: the Mac Pro is nice and all, but the fact remains that Intelness adds significant to the price. Hereabouts, a pristine dual 2.5 G5 sans RAM, video, and HDD (since personal preferences matter so much, when our little circle swaps machines we do so like this) can be had for ~$100; that means the whole shebang can be under $200 depending on the amount of RAM you want (if you're like me and have a lot of 256 and 512MB sticks lying around, 8 slots means that you can have plenty using a bunch of small sticks in matched pairs of capacity, not speed or brand). On the other hand, a dual 2.5 Mac Pro from the first gen is easily triple that, with no more than 50% increase in performance (most of which is due to DDR2 RAM) -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: The second hand Mac pros are way better than the G5. The Mac pros have better reliability They run cooler and quieter than the Powermac G5. They have Intel processors which mean it can run the latest mac os x and latest programs and boot camp windows. Im not saying that you shouldn't buy a Powermac G5 but any second hand mac pro 2006 or later would be a better choice its more cost effective wise than the G5. The thing you do give up with the Mac Pro is the ability to run Tiger and Classic. Otherwise the Mac Pro is a nice machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
The second hand Mac pros are way better than the G5. The Mac pros have better reliability They run cooler and quieter than the Powermac G5. They have Intel processors which mean it can run the latest mac os x and latest programs and boot camp windows. Im not saying that you shouldn't buy a Powermac G5 but any second hand mac pro 2006 or later would be a better choice its more cost effective wise than the G5. Joshua Lewis -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
As an owner of many Delphi G5s, they're pretty much fine if you can smell burning before they set your house on fire. All jest aside, its OK. -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jeff Bequette jbeque...@tconl.com wrote: I went from a beige to a G5 and the only mistake I made was buying the low end (june 04 DP1.8) 1. only slots for 4gig Ram. 2. only supports 2 internal Hard drives. 3. GeForce FX 5200 is a weak video card and getting weaker. If you have the $$, look around for a used intel Mac Pro, CWI often has good prices (about half the cost of new) that's my .02. Jeff On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Avid_Fan wrote: Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-**list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/**lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/g3-5-list http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: The second hand Mac pros are way better than the G5. The Mac pros have better reliability They run cooler and quieter than the Powermac G5. They have Intel processors which mean it can run the latest mac os x and latest programs and boot camp windows. Im not saying that you shouldn't buy a Powermac G5 but any second hand mac pro 2006 or later would be a better choice its more cost effective wise than the G5. The thing you do give up with the Mac Pro is the ability to run Tiger and Classic. Otherwise the Mac Pro is a nice machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
the Mac Pro is nice and all, but the fact remains that Intelness adds significant to the price. Hereabouts, a pristine dual 2.5 G5 sans RAM, video, and HDD (since personal preferences matter so much, when our little circle swaps machines we do so like this) can be had for ~$100; that means the whole shebang can be under $200 depending on the amount of RAM you want (if you're like me and have a lot of 256 and 512MB sticks lying around, 8 slots means that you can have plenty using a bunch of small sticks in matched pairs of capacity, not speed or brand). On the other hand, a dual 2.5 Mac Pro from the first gen is easily triple that, with no more than 50% increase in performance (most of which is due to DDR2 RAM) -- -- Illirik Smirnov Chaotic Neutral since 1997 A Charisma of 28 will seduce the dragon on a 14 or higher... 20? Oh well, I suppose you get the treasure. They see me rollin, they hatin; patrollin, tryin to catch me rollin nat one Ron Paul // Jello Biafra 2012: For A Better America= Proud member of the Enloe HS Debate Team: At Least Someone Placed On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 8:25 AM, JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com wrote: On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: The second hand Mac pros are way better than the G5. The Mac pros have better reliability They run cooler and quieter than the Powermac G5. They have Intel processors which mean it can run the latest mac os x and latest programs and boot camp windows. Im not saying that you shouldn't buy a Powermac G5 but any second hand mac pro 2006 or later would be a better choice its more cost effective wise than the G5. The thing you do give up with the Mac Pro is the ability to run Tiger and Classic. Otherwise the Mac Pro is a nice machine. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Buying a G5
Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
The most modern G5 machines are Late 2005 ones (the last ones before Apple decided that personal computer market doesn't mean a lot for a company). Late 2005 G5s have PCIe, SATA, and DDR2 SDRAM. They are very fast machines, even in comparison to em64t Core i7 machines. Dual core 970MP 2.3GHz machine is very nice choice. The most powerful one is 2 CPU x Dual core (Quad core) liquid-cooling 2.5GHz machine. Any of them would be a great choice for at least next 5 years. Good luck! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. As an owner of both a dual 1.25GHz MDD and a quad G5, - G5s do use somewhat more power than the MDD, and they can run hot at full tilt. If you're looking for a quieter unit, the G5 isn't necessarily your best choice, especially if you do computationally heavy tasks. - Avoid liquid cooled units, with the exception of the last G5, the quad (this generally uses the Panasonic liquid cooling system and they have much fewer issues than the original Delphi). In reduced power mode, the quad G5 is relatively quiet and quieter than the MDD, but when running in auto or highest power mode, it can be *louder*. - Inspect the unit carefully before you buy for corrosion or other signs of leakage if you buy a liquid cooled machine. Don't purchase if *anything* looks out of kilter; signs of LCS death can be very subtle. - Repair on the G5 can be a nightmare, particularly servicing the power supply. Some specific notes: - The G5 only runs Classic, and cannot boot OS 9, if this matters to you. - If you have PCI cards you have to use, you are limited in the models you can buy. The quad, for example, is PCI Express only. - Support for alternative operating systems on the G5 is generally worse. The G5 does have many benefits over the MDD, though: - The faster FSB means a lot of stuff runs smoother and better, in addition to the clock speed. - If you must run Leopard, the G5 is much better at it than the MDD. - SATA. - Better video card options (though these are usually expensive). I have a 7800GT in mine, which is quite decent. - Massive RAM capacity. Mine has 8GB in it, which is really nice in 10.4. I intend to get at least a decade or more total lifespan out of my quad. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- TRUE HEADLINE: Morning-After Pill Decision Delayed - -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
On Feb 17, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Douglas Mencken wrote: The most modern G5 machines are Late 2005 ones (the last ones before Apple decided that personal computer market doesn't mean a lot for a company). Late 2005 G5s have PCIe, SATA, and DDR2 SDRAM. They are very fast machines, even in comparison to em64t Core i7 machines. Dual core 970MP 2.3GHz machine is very nice choice. The most powerful one is 2 CPU x Dual core (Quad core) liquid-cooling 2.5GHz machine. Any of them would be a great choice for at least next 5 years. Good luck! If the fan noise is a problem the PM G5 isn't much quieter than a MDD G4. The fast ones and real work horses are the Dual 2.7 and Quad. These machines use a LCS Liquid Cooling System You need to be sure if you get one of those models that there's no sign of leaking. They can be overhauled but I'd want a good one to begin with The units that leaked were made by Delphi. There is a replacement unit made by Panasonic with two pumps that I've never seen leak, this is what I put in my Dual 2.7.. The Delphi units can be resealed to last longer than when new. John Carmonne Yorba Linda CA 92886 USA MacBook Pro i7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
Support for alternative operating systems on the G5 is generally worse. GNU/Linux support for 1 G5 machine is much better than for the entire G4 line :) For example, ALSA driver snd-aoa works perfectly, even for sound input (not to say about G4 machines, especially G4 DA and eMacs, they do rarely have any working sound at all). For another example, Nvidia PCIe cards work perfectly with free nouveau driver, in fully hw accelerated OpenGL 1.4 mode. Well, GNU/Linux@PowerPC doesn't have the great TenFourFox, fork of mozilla. Here you're right. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Buying a G5
I went from a beige to a G5 and the only mistake I made was buying the low end (june 04 DP1.8) 1. only slots for 4gig Ram. 2. only supports 2 internal Hard drives. 3. GeForce FX 5200 is a weak video card and getting weaker. If you have the $$, look around for a used intel Mac Pro, CWI often has good prices (about half the cost of new) that's my .02. Jeff On Feb 17, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Avid_Fan wrote: Hello All! I am in the market to upgrade to a Power Mac G5. I'm the proud owner of a G4 MDD Dual 867. I got a little stung by the fan noise issue which I did not know about at the time. Now I'm about to go for a G5 are there any quirks between the various models I should know about? I'm looking at G5 Dual Processor machines from 2Ghz and up. Cheers, Evan -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking of buying a G5 dual for PR but quick question
That was kind of my thinking (granted I am not a computer guru but I do know a few things). I was also thinking I could disable one of the CPU's (which I think is an option since it does boot to the apple logo but just hangs there) and just run a single core which I have helped a friend out with before. anyways thanks for the response, and this group is awesome lot's o info! On Oct 7, 10:40 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/07 18:52, bryan adkins wrote: I am thinking of scooping up locally a powermac G5 2.0 DP PCI-X 2 with bad cpu it has been tested at apple and thats what the tech told the owner. My question is can I purchase a different CPU like a 1.8 and install it? Any help would be useful and if I'm asking a poor question just inform me thanks much for the help. I'm totally guessing here but if it is indeed a DP, and not a DC, running one CPU at 2.0 GHz and the other at a different speed would not be my first choice of 'fixes.' I would think that a replacement single core 2.0 GHz would be the safest way to go, maybe someone with more experience can elaborate on your options. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking of buying a G5 dual for PR but quick question
no, no, no, and no. (i think that's enough nos.) the 1.8 and 2.0 models had different mobo clock speeds. you cannot swap a 1.8 for a 2.0. furthermore, if you replace one processor, sot only does it have to be the same clock speed, it must be with a processor that is identical to the other. same apple part number, same EEE code. then the thermal calibration application needs to be run, which is difficult to get your hands on if you are not an apple certified tech. you cannot simply remove the bad processor and run it as a single processor machine. it will not boot. i knew someone who had a 2.0DP which did have a bad processor, and it still booted anyway and ran just fine as a single processor machine except for waking from sleep issues. but when the dead processor was removed, it would not boot at all. on the other hand, i had a machine which would not boot, and the problem turned out to be a faulty logic board. i'm not convinced i would put 100% faith in the diagnosis you've gotten. bottom line, unless you are an intermediate to advanced level tech, with experience working on G5s, i would forget about it altogether. sorry i can't give you better news. On Oct 8, 1:52 am, bryan adkins bryancor...@gmail.com wrote: That was kind of my thinking (granted I am not a computer guru but I do know a few things). I was also thinking I could disable one of the CPU's (which I think is an option since it does boot to the apple logo but just hangs there) and just run a single core which I have helped a friend out with before. anyways thanks for the response, and this group is awesome lot's o info! On Oct 7, 10:40 pm, Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com wrote: On 2010/10/07 18:52, bryan adkins wrote: I am thinking of scooping up locally a powermac G5 2.0 DP PCI-X 2 with bad cpu it has been tested at apple and thats what the tech told the owner. My question is can I purchase a different CPU like a 1.8 and install it? Any help would be useful and if I'm asking a poor question just inform me thanks much for the help. I'm totally guessing here but if it is indeed a DP, and not a DC, running one CPU at 2.0 GHz and the other at a different speed would not be my first choice of 'fixes.' I would think that a replacement single core 2.0 GHz would be the safest way to go, maybe someone with more experience can elaborate on your options. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking of buying a G5 dual for PR but quick question
On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, ah...clem wrote: i knew someone who had a 2.0DP which did have a bad processor, and it still booted anyway and ran just fine as a single processor machine except for waking from sleep issues. I remember reading how you can modify the firmware with a semi- permanent Open Firmware command so that only one CPU is used, and this may take care of any sleep issues related to a bad CPU? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking of buying a G5 dual for PR but quick question
I just need to get my hands on it and see what will happen when I do the firmware command and run with a single processor, and as for switching the processor I will just go the route of new dual's with same model number if above doesn't work and for the thermal calibration I do have my hands on the correct copy for this machine. On Oct 8, 9:29 am, Kris Tilford ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: On Oct 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, ah...clem wrote: i knew someone who had a 2.0DP which did have a bad processor, and it still booted anyway and ran just fine as a single processor machine except for waking from sleep issues. I remember reading how you can modify the firmware with a semi- permanent Open Firmware command so that only one CPU is used, and this may take care of any sleep issues related to a bad CPU? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Thinking of buying a G5 dual for PR but quick question
I am thinking of scooping up locally a powermac G5 2.0 DP PCI-X 2 with bad cpu it has been tested at apple and thats what the tech told the owner. My question is can I purchase a different CPU like a 1.8 and install it? Any help would be useful and if I'm asking a poor question just inform me thanks much for the help. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Thinking of buying a G5 dual for PR but quick question
On 2010/10/07 18:52, bryan adkins wrote: I am thinking of scooping up locally a powermac G5 2.0 DP PCI-X 2 with bad cpu it has been tested at apple and thats what the tech told the owner. My question is can I purchase a different CPU like a 1.8 and install it? Any help would be useful and if I'm asking a poor question just inform me thanks much for the help. I'm totally guessing here but if it is indeed a DP, and not a DC, running one CPU at 2.0 GHz and the other at a different speed would not be my first choice of 'fixes.' I would think that a replacement single core 2.0 GHz would be the safest way to go, maybe someone with more experience can elaborate on your options. Tina -- iMac 20 USB 2, 1.25 GHz G4, 2 GB RAM, GeForce FX 5200 Ultra 64 MB DDR Power Mac June 04, 2 GHz G5 DP, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL 256 MB PowerBook G4 15 Hi-Res DL-SD, 1.67 GHz G4, Radeon 9700 128 MB DDR -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
