Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD Date:Wednesday, 25. April 2012 From:tsaec...@att.net tsaec...@att.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com This morning 12 hours later I cannot get this computer to boot. I get the normal start up chime/bong then once it lights up the monitor I have a black rectangle on a grey screen or just the apple in the center of the grey screen. Once with the 'C' key held down and the cd in it gave me the same except the rectangle had the you need to restart your computer text in it. Tried booting into single user mode, it boots up to the exact same hang screen and message as last night. This screen will not accept any keyboard input. Tried booting with the option key, I get the selection of start up disks but it only goes to the blank you need to restart your computer screen when I try to start it. The only thing I have not tried is booting into OS 9 which I'm not sure if this machine will do. What I would also try, is, if you can still go into Open Firmware. Hold Cmd- Opt-O-F pressed when you hear the chime, until you see the Open Firmware screen (which will tell you, that you can now let go of the keys you should still be holding at this point). If you can use your keyboard normally there, the computer should be fine. Try commands like: devalias cd / ls .properties To continue booting, type: mac-boot To boot a CD-ROM, type: boot cd: After hitting enter, you can then quickly hold the Opt key if you want to get the boot menu to choose where to boot from. It seems stuck in Applejack and Single user mode. How do you figure? So you can run Applejack? And you can start-up in single user mode? Any tricks that I don't know about to make it boot to OSX? Or is this a fatal error? After trying if Open Firmware still works for me, I'd zap the PRAM: Hold Cmd- Opt-P-R at the chime. I normally do this at least twice (keep the keys pressed until you hear the third chime, then let go). This /could/ solve the problem, but I'm not very sure of it. Could this hang cause any possible problems with the HDD? Yes. Could be your hard drive, or the installation on it. But then you shouldn't have these problems when booting form CD. To be absolutely sure I'd remove the HDD and boot from CD. If that works, you propably have a broken HDD. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
Downloaded Applejack, ran Memory test on single 512 stick that came with. Passed with flying colors. Added back the additional RAM and ran Memory test again... CPU panic and hang. Had to use power button to shut down. Test at time of panic; Walking Zeroes :testing 29 of 64panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A4EC8): simple lock (0x003DA020) deadlock detection, pc=0x00033564 Does this mean bad RAM or problems with the logic board or processor? Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Apr 23 09:32AM -0700 From the sounds of it all of your RAM may be flaky or it's a bad logic board, BUT, you have not tried: 1) Run Applejack http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ which also includes a handy memory test module that works well. This will tekll you pretty quickly if you have a flaky DIMM slot or bad ram. 2) Started in safe mode, eliminating most third-arty extensions and drivers. 3) Logged in as a different user, to eliminate userspace issues like corrupted caches and preferences. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
-- Original message -- Subject: Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD Date:Wednesday, 25. April 2012 From:tsaec...@att.net tsaec...@att.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Downloaded Applejack, ran Memory test on single 512 stick that came with. Passed with flying colors. Added back the additional RAM and ran Memory test again... CPU panic and hang. Had to use power button to shut down. Test at time of panic; Walking Zeroes:testing 29 of 64panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A4EC8): simple lock (0x003DA020) deadlock detection, pc=0x00033564 Does this mean bad RAM or problems with the logic board or processor? Can be the DIMM that is bad, but can also be the memory slot that is broken. Try each memory stick (DIMM) seperately in the slot you did the single 512 test with. You sould immediately see if one is faulty. If all pass, you've got a faulty memory slot. If that be the case, try only one memory module in every slot one by one to find out which one it is. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Tom wrote: I bought a MDD 1.25 single processor machine to replace the a QS 867. I swapped the 160Gb HDD from the QS for the 80Gb drive in the MDD, added 1.5Gb of used RAM. I have had the OS crash, Safari crash, Skype loose port settings. When I initially installed the RAM system profiler only showed 2 of the 3 sticks I had installed. sounds like a memory problem ... can u buy new RAM? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
Test each stick separately in the slot you tested the first one. If you get a panic, it'sthe RAM. If not, it's likely to be the ram slot. -- Bruce Johnson UA College of Pharmacy On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:02 AM, tsaec...@att.net tsaec...@att.net wrote: Downloaded Applejack, ran Memory test on single 512 stick that came with. Passed with flying colors. Added back the additional RAM and ran Memory test again... CPU panic and hang. Had to use power button to shut down. Test at time of panic; Walking Zeroes:testing 29 of 64panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A4EC8): simple lock (0x003DA020) deadlock detection, pc=0x00033564 Does this mean bad RAM or problems with the logic board or processor? Bruce Johnson john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu Apr 23 09:32AM -0700 From the sounds of it all of your RAM may be flaky or it's a bad logic board, BUT, you have not tried: 1) Run Applejack http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ which also includes a handy memory test module that works well. This will tekll you pretty quickly if you have a flaky DIMM slot or bad ram. 2) Started in safe mode, eliminating most third-arty extensions and drivers. 3) Logged in as a different user, to eliminate userspace issues like corrupted caches and preferences. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
This morning 12 hours later I cannot get this computer to boot. I get the normal start up chime/bong then once it lights up the monitor I have a black rectangle on a grey screen or just the apple in the center of the grey screen. Once with the 'C' key held down and the cd in it gave me the same except the rectangle had the you need to restart your computer text in it. Tried booting into single user mode, it boots up to the exact same hang screen and message as last night. This screen will not accept any keyboard input. Tried booting with the option key, I get the selection of start up disks but it only goes to the blank you need to restart your computer screen when I try to start it. The only thing I have not tried is booting into OS 9 which I'm not sure if this machine will do. It seems stuck in Applejack and Single user mode. Any tricks that I don't know about to make it boot to OSX? Or is this a fatal error? Could this hang cause any possible problems with the HDD? On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:02 AM, tsaec...@att.net wrote: Downloaded Applejack, ran Memory test on single 512 stick that came with. Passed with flying colors. Added back the additional RAM and ran Memory test again... CPU panic and hang. Had to use power button to shut down. Test at time of panic; Walking Zeroes :testing 29 of 64panic(cpu 0 caller 0x000A4EC8): simple lock (0x003DA020) deadlock detection, pc=0x00033564 Does this mean bad RAM or problems with the logic board or processor? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
OS X 10.4.11 I didn't know Safari was up that far since Software update only took me to 4.1.3. Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: What version of OS X? Safari is up to 5.0.6 (for non-Intel Macs) Maybe run Onyx to clean things up -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
On Apr 23, 2012, at 8:08 AM, tsaec...@att.net wrote: OS X 10.4.11 I didn't know Safari was up that far since Software update only took me to 4.1.3. That's for 10.5. Your version is as high as you can go with 10.4. From the sounds of it all of your RAM may be flaky or it's a bad logic board, BUT, you have not tried: 1) Run Applejack http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ which also includes a handy memory test module that works well. This will tekll you pretty quickly if you have a flaky DIMM slot or bad ram. 2) Started in safe mode, eliminating most third-arty extensions and drivers. 3) Logged in as a different user, to eliminate userspace issues like corrupted caches and preferences. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
On 23 Apr 2012, at 08:08:20 PDT, tsaec...@att.net wrote: OS X 10.4.11 I didn't know Safari was up that far since Software update only took me to 4.1.3. Stephen Conrad khel...@gmail.com wrote: What version of OS X? Safari is up to 5.0.6 (for non-Intel Macs) Maybe run Onyx to clean things up --- Unfortunately, Safari 5+ requires MacOS 10.5 or better. Ken -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
I bought a MDD 1.25 single processor machine to replace the a QS 867. I swapped the 160Gb HDD from the QS for the 80Gb drive in the MDD, added 1.5Gb of used RAM. I have had the OS crash, Safari crash, Skype loose port settings. When I initially installed the RAM system profiler only showed 2 of the 3 sticks I had installed. I pulled one only to discover it was the wrong one. I then pulled the problem one, swapped it to the open slot and put the one I had removed in the problem ones slot. After that all sticks showed up on system profiler. Next I removed the RAM stick from the slot that initially didn't show up. Safari still crashed. Then I removed the RAM stick that was in the offending slot originally, Safari Crashed while simply sitting there open. I then removed the last stick of new(used) RAM and tried again, similar results. So next I shut it down, removed the USB PCI card, restarted and opened Safari. The yahoo home page shows news items and moves from one to the next. I moved the cursor to one that it had already passed to read the description. when I went to move on I found that everything was frozen no mouse or keyboard input at all. I disconnected the USB hub and plugged the mouse directly to the computer, no change. The keyboard was already direct to the computer. I unplugged an reinserted both items with no results then gave up and held the power button till it shut down. What the heck is going on with this thing? I have just pulled and re-seated the original RAM stick, restarted and open Safari. played with safari for a few minutes and blink its gone. The begining of the crash report: Safari 4.1.3 builg version 1, PID 194, Thread: 0, Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0X0001), Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0X0001) at 0xb350 Which I don't have enough knowledge to understand Any suggestions? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Crashes and keyboard freeze on MMD
What version of OS X? Safari is up to 5.0.6 (for non-Intel Macs) Maybe run Onyx to clean things up On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Tom tsaec...@att.net wrote: I bought a MDD 1.25 single processor machine to replace the a QS 867. I swapped the 160Gb HDD from the QS for the 80Gb drive in the MDD, added 1.5Gb of used RAM. I have had the OS crash, Safari crash, Skype loose port settings. When I initially installed the RAM system profiler only showed 2 of the 3 sticks I had installed. I pulled one only to discover it was the wrong one. I then pulled the problem one, swapped it to the open slot and put the one I had removed in the problem ones slot. After that all sticks showed up on system profiler. Next I removed the RAM stick from the slot that initially didn't show up. Safari still crashed. Then I removed the RAM stick that was in the offending slot originally, Safari Crashed while simply sitting there open. I then removed the last stick of new(used) RAM and tried again, similar results. So next I shut it down, removed the USB PCI card, restarted and opened Safari. The yahoo home page shows news items and moves from one to the next. I moved the cursor to one that it had already passed to read the description. when I went to move on I found that everything was frozen no mouse or keyboard input at all. I disconnected the USB hub and plugged the mouse directly to the computer, no change. The keyboard was already direct to the computer. I unplugged an reinserted both items with no results then gave up and held the power button till it shut down. What the heck is going on with this thing? I have just pulled and re-seated the original RAM stick, restarted and open Safari. played with safari for a few minutes and blink its gone. The begining of the crash report: Safari 4.1.3 builg version 1, PID 194, Thread: 0, Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0X0001), Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0X0001) at 0xb350 Which I don't have enough knowledge to understand Any suggestions? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- Steve Conrad Henrietta, MO 64036 The time has come for mankind to grow up and leave its cradle behind; to go forth and claim our place in outer space. - Capt. Henry Gloval (\__/) (='.'=) ()_() Help Bunny Take Over The World! -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
