Re: Eudora replacement
As of a week ago, I do not think 6.2.4 runs perfectly well on 10.5 on a PPC. My mail server just started insisting we use SSL, and after struggling with every possible little detail endlessly I still can not send or receive any more. I have 20 years of e-mail in Eudora, and wished to keep running it on my G5 which I will also not give up for a number of reasons. It will work on my Intel machine at work, and for another friend who is a Eudora and pre 10.7 hold-out. So I have to conclude at this point that it is something wrong with the way Eudora works on a PPC as opposed to Intel that is causing this calamity. I can not find a solution or suitable replacement, so if anyone knows what I'm talking about and has any further clues I'd be grateful to hear about it. On Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:34:33 PM UTC-5, Dan wrote: At 3:31 PM -0500 01/20/2014, Jay Koutavas wrote: At 11:32 AM -0800 1/20/14, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? No. The whole point of this exercise would be to move past PPC, so Redora (redone Eudora) could run on Mac OS X 10.7 and later. Eudora 6.2 PPC runs fine on Mac OS 10.6.8, but breaks on 10.7+. Thus, Redora would be targeted for 10.7 and later, Intel only. Good point. But there are quite a few bugs in Eudora that manifest themselves annoyingly often. A full featured and debugged version of Eudora that runs on x86/OS X 10.6 and newer would be a much better received product. Time and again, people have cited to me two giant stumbling blocks as their reason for not updating to OS X 10.7+. 1) loss of AppleWorks. 2) loss of Eudora *and* their hatred for all the other email clients they've tried. So, I'd love to have a real Eudora-type client for newer OS X. I wonder what legal issues there be? afaik, Qualcomm owns Eudora and doesn't play well with others. I believe it has only licensed Eudora's interface and such to the Mozilla Foundation, for the Penelope project - because that project is driven (although maybe dead now) by the original Eudora developer, ?Steve Dorner?. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope fwiw, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Eudora replacement
At 3:31 PM -0500 01/20/2014, Jay Koutavas wrote: At 11:32 AM -0800 1/20/14, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? No. The whole point of this exercise would be to move past PPC, so Redora (redone Eudora) could run on Mac OS X 10.7 and later. Eudora 6.2 PPC runs fine on Mac OS 10.6.8, but breaks on 10.7+. Thus, Redora would be targeted for 10.7 and later, Intel only. Good point. But there are quite a few bugs in Eudora that manifest themselves annoyingly often. A full featured and debugged version of Eudora that runs on x86/OS X 10.6 and newer would be a much better received product. Time and again, people have cited to me two giant stumbling blocks as their reason for not updating to OS X 10.7+. 1) loss of AppleWorks. 2) loss of Eudora *and* their hatred for all the other email clients they've tried. So, I'd love to have a real Eudora-type client for newer OS X. I wonder what legal issues there be? afaik, Qualcomm owns Eudora and doesn't play well with others. I believe it has only licensed Eudora's interface and such to the Mozilla Foundation, for the Penelope project - because that project is driven (although maybe dead now) by the original Eudora developer, ?Steve Dorner?. https://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope fwiw, - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
I used Eudora mail a long time ago, it was just the best. Then I changed to Apple Mail since it was integrated into the Mac OSX operating system. I was Okay with it until OSX 9.x.x it was a mess, then OSX 10.1.x and not it is the worst client eMail around. Like the other responders I would use Eudora again and be so pleased. Cheers Harry in San Jose, Ca On Saturday, July 21, 2012 11:23:21 PM UTC-7, benjee wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
I don't see that this thread has actually been moved to the MacIntel group yet ... still awaiting my subscription to kick in. Eudora 6.2.4 behaves well enough under OSX 10.6.8 that I continue to use it day in and day out. It is *one* of the reasons that Snow Leopard is the OS I'm stopping at unless and until I cannot get hardware that supports it, and what I have becomes irreparable. Apple has essentially lost me as a computer customer. Guy -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:00 AM, Guy Plunkett III wrote: I don't see that this thread has actually been moved to the MacIntel group yet ... still awaiting my subscription to kick in. Please be reminded that LEM Group Managers occasionally close down off-topic threads, but we do not move threads. In my recent Manager Comment, I stated that I asked the OP to move the thread. It now appears that he subscribed to the G-Group only two days ago for the sole purpose of initiating this thread. Anyone who is interested in further discussions about Eudora replacement for Intel Macs, or other appropriate topics, can always start a new thread at the MacIntel Group, without waiting for this OP. Fabian Fang LEM G-Group Manager -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
Wonderful, Jay! I've been using Eudora since Apple ][c with handbuilt 1200/75 modem, and will stick with OS 10.6.8 until Eudora surfaces in a Mavericks or greater, version. I too, would be happy to pay, and beta test! Best wishes, James Now that MailForge is dead, I've been pondering... How many people would be interested in a faithful reproduction of Mac Eudora 6.2? 10? 100?, 1000? Probably 100, by the likes of the FB page. I use Mac Eudora v6.2 every day, since the mid 90s. I'm a pro software developer. I have built stuff of this complexity a number of times over, including a Mac email client a lng time ago for Digital Equipment Corporation. It's not easy to build a replacement. It would take EASILY over a year for me to do it. If I did do it, I'd stick to keeping the same workflow and features, and simply just Freshen-up the look and feel (but not change it like MailForge did). Thoughts, comments? Collaborators? -- I'd do this project open source, because I love Eudora mail and want it to live on indefinitely. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:13:47 AM UTC-4, benjee wrote: We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are still in beta. Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need a true Eudora replacement. -- Sent from my HP Pre3 On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar javascript:sbo...@gci.net wrote: On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, javascript:ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudoraHttp://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora. I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle. Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to javascript:g3-5...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmlhttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtmlhttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-listhttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_outhttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
Hi Doug. At 9:50 PM -0700 1/19/14, Doug McNutt wrote: 1) You need to become acquainted with : Reply-To: Eudora for the Mac eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net Okay. 2) There are two different problems with Eudora. Email has changed and Apple wants iOS and OS-neXt to be written in X-code and objective C. Of course, I've been using Objective C with Xcode since 2003. Been a C++ coder since the early 90s, and a C coder since the mid 80s. The whole concept of email has changed and Eudora won't be Eudora anymore if it is rewritten to handle IMAP and HTML the way other mail clients do. As I said in my post, I'm staying feature compatible with current Eudora (no IMAP), perhaps a better use of the WebKit though, current Mac Eudora 6.2 HTML support running on OS X 10.6.8 is buggy and slow. Rewriting Eudora to compile in a newer Macintosh environment may be nearly impossible. It would be easier if the source code were available but it's not because of some patent issues with the search find parts of the code. Qualcomm says it can't release that because of a previous purchase agreement. I would rewrite the UI in Objective C from scratch and the backend in C/C++ portable code. I've done this enough times that the block diagram is easily realized. 3) I'm using Eudora 5 on this OS 9.1 Mac 8500 and I find it very useful in the modern mail system. HTTP and IMAP just don't work. By refusing to read HTML and refusing to use a host that demands IMAP I find my spam problems a whole lot easier. Folks who want to talk soon get the idea. I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. 4) What I'd really like to see is a version of Eudora that works in Linux with open source code. I might have some time to help with that. Most of the things I want could be done with perl which would be somewhat platform independent. -- A Linux UI layer is possible. It can be done in any language, but the back-end would be in C/C++ if I did this project. /Jay -- --- Jay Koutavas mailto:j...@heynow.com Heynow Software http://www.heynow.com Windham, New Hampshire, USA --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
On Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:51:37 AM UTC-6, Jay Koutavas wrote: Now that MailForge is dead, I've been pondering... How many people would be interested in a faithful reproduction of Mac Eudora 6.2? 10? 100?, 1000? I would love to see a modern email client which mimics Eudora. I've been using it since version 2.0. Default insertion points after quoted text. :-) Jeff Walther -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- If the French were really intelligent, they'd speak English. -- W. Sheed --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
At 11:32 AM -0800 1/20/14, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? No. The whole point of this exercise would be to move past PPC, so Redora (redone Eudora) could run on Mac OS X 10.7 and later. Eudora 6.2 PPC runs fine on Mac OS 10.6.8, but breaks on 10.7+. Thus, Redora would be targeted for 10.7 and later, Intel only. /Jay -- --- Jay Koutavas mailto:j...@heynow.com Heynow Software http://www.heynow.com Windham, New Hampshire, USA --- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? No. The whole point of this exercise would be to move past PPC, so Redora (redone Eudora) could run on Mac OS X 10.7 and later. Eudora 6.2 PPC runs fine on Mac OS 10.6.8, but breaks on 10.7+. Thus, Redora would be targeted for 10.7 and later, Intel only. Then, politely, why is this being discussed on a PowerPC mailing list if we're not the intended audience? Meanwhile, Tenfourbird works very well for my purposes when I need an PPC OS X mail client (I am not the author, although they do use the patches from TenFourFox as a basis). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Remember, kids: for great justice take off every zig! -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[Manager Comment] Re: Eudora replacement
On Jan 20, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: I won't be supporting OS 9.1, sorry. Would you support PowerPC, preferably 10.4+? No. The whole point of this exercise would be to move past PPC, so Redora (redone Eudora) could run on Mac OS X 10.7 and later. Eudora 6.2 PPC runs fine on Mac OS 10.6.8, but breaks on 10.7+. Thus, Redora would be targeted for 10.7 and later, Intel only. Then, politely, why is this being discussed on a PowerPC mailing list if we're not the intended audience? I have already asked the OP to move this thread to the LEM MacIntel Group. Fabian Fang LEM G-Group Manager -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
Now that MailForge is dead, I've been pondering... How many people would be interested in a faithful reproduction of Mac Eudora 6.2? 10? 100?, 1000? Probably 100, by the likes of the FB page. I use Mac Eudora v6.2 every day, since the mid 90s. I'm a pro software developer. I have built stuff of this complexity a number of times over, including a Mac email client a lng time ago for Digital Equipment Corporation. It's not easy to build a replacement. It would take EASILY over a year for me to do it. If I did do it, I'd stick to keeping the same workflow and features, and simply just Freshen-up the look and feel (but not change it like MailForge did). Thoughts, comments? Collaborators? -- I'd do this project open source, because I love Eudora mail and want it to live on indefinitely. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:13:47 AM UTC-4, benjee wrote: We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are still in beta. Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need a true Eudora replacement. -- Sent from my HP Pre3 -- On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar sbo...@gci.net javascript: wrote: On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora. I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle. Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5...@googlegroups.comjavascript: For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
I used and enjoyed Eudora for many years and would absolutly use it as my main email client. I am not a programmer but would be willing to help. Beta test? On Jan 19, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Jay Koutavas wrote: Now that MailForge is dead, I've been pondering... How many people would be interested in a faithful reproduction of Mac Eudora 6.2? 10? 100?, 1000? Probably 100, by the likes of the FB page. I use Mac Eudora v6.2 every day, since the mid 90s. I'm a pro software developer. I have built stuff of this complexity a number of times over, including a Mac email client a lng time ago for Digital Equipment Corporation. It's not easy to build a replacement. It would take EASILY over a year for me to do it. If I did do it, I'd stick to keeping the same workflow and features, and simply just Freshen-up the look and feel (but not change it like MailForge did). Thoughts, comments? Collaborators? -- I'd do this project open source, because I love Eudora mail and want it to live on indefinitely. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 9:13:47 AM UTC-4, benjee wrote: We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are still in beta. Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need a true Eudora replacement. -- Sent from my HP Pre3 On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar sbo...@gci.net wrote: On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora. I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle. Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
Thank you, Jay! I've used Eudora since first getting an email account in the days of 48k modems and well before appleisp.net became themacisp.net. I'm currently using Eudora 6.2.4 on a 2009 MacBook Pro 17 and it is the main reason I have not upgraded this machine further than OS 10.6.8. I have eagerly followed threads in this group and others concerning Eudora replacements for OS 10.7 and above with great interest and am finally both eager and excited to know that someone may be willing to give re-coding Eudora a try. I would pay for a Eudora replacement, or provide a substantial sum for donationware. To hear that it would be open-source is pretty incredible and very much appreciated. If this project is to be taken on, my recommendation is that it be initiated as soon as possible. Thanks again! -- Bill Bunny Kuhlman -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Eudora replacement
At 5:51 -0800 1/19/14, Jay Koutavas wrote: Now that MailForge is dead, I've been pondering... How many people would be interested in a faithful reproduction of Mac Eudora 6.2? 10? 100?, 1000? Probably 100, by the likes of the FB page. I use Mac Eudora v6.2 every day, since the mid 90s. I'm a pro software developer. I have built stuff of this complexity a number of times over, including a Mac email client a lng time ago for Digital Equipment Corporation. It's not easy to build a replacement. It would take EASILY over a year for me to do it. If I did do it, I'd stick to keeping the same workflow and features, and simply just Freshen-up the look and feel (but not change it like MailForge did). Thoughts, comments? Collaborators? -- I'd do this project open source, because I love Eudora mail and want it to live on indefinitely. 1) You need to become acquainted with : Reply-To: Eudora for the Mac eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net 2) There are two different problems with Eudora. Email has changed and Apple wants iOS and OS-neXt to be written in X-code and objective C. The whole concept of email has changed and Eudora won't be Eudora anymore if it is rewritten to handle IMAP and HTML the way other mail clients do. Rewriting Eudora to compile in a newer Macintosh environment may be nearly impossible. It would be easier if the source code were available but it's not because of some patent issues with the search find parts of the code. Qualcomm says it can't release that because of a previous purchase agreement. 3) I'm using Eudora 5 on this OS 9.1 Mac 8500 and I find it very useful in the modern mail system. HTTP and IMAP just don't work. By refusing to read HTML and refusing to use a host that demands IMAP I find my spam problems a whole lot easier. Folks who want to talk soon get the idea. 4) What I'd really like to see is a version of Eudora that works in Linux with open source code. I might have some time to help with that. Most of the things I want could be done with perl which would be somewhat platform independent. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups G-Group group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to g3-5-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [G3-5]Re: Eudora replacement
On 7/23/12 9:42 AM, Beniamino Cenci Goga at ben...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, regarding FB, there are many ways of using it: you don't need to upload the photos of your family or tell everybody what's going on in your life, you can even use a pen name. And it is possible to share FB photoalbuns even to people who do not have a FB account at all. -- MaGioZal. http://youtube.com/magiozal/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Contrary to popular belief - not everyone has or even wants facebook. I concurr, but FB is a good tools to get figures. In this case we are trying to see if the number of potential users is worth the effort of improving MailForge or building a new app. By the way, regarding FB, there are many ways of using it: you don't need to upload the photos of your family or tell everybody what's going on in your life, you can even use a pen name. Ben -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Get thee over to: List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net SUBSCRIBING: mailto:join-eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net?Subject=Gazelle Thanks, I have just subscribed and I have linked the ML info on that FB page, Ben -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Beniamino Cenci Goga ben...@gmail.comwrote: Contrary to popular belief - not everyone has or even wants facebook. I concurr, but FB is a good tools to get figures. In this case we are trying to see if the number of potential users is worth the effort of improving MailForge or building a new app. By the way, regarding FB, there are many ways of using it: you don't need to upload the photos of your family or tell everybody what's going on in your life, you can even use a pen name. Not really sure FB users are your target audience. As for FB specifics, you do have to sign up for an account (I hate signing up for too many things, though a specific forum doesn't bother me too much - but I won't sign up for a social media account) and they discourage the use of pens names although many use them. If you are from MF, why not post a poll on their own forum? Not that I ever had any luck there - whoever approves memberships was asleep the week I signed up so I never got the help I was looking for and ended up tossing that idea in the trash. Personally FB would be the last place I'd go to to look for info on continuing a product. My .02 Diane -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
On Jul 23, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Beniamino Cenci Goga wrote: Contrary to popular belief - not everyone has or even wants facebook. I concurr, but FB is a good tools to get figures. In this case we are trying to see if the number of potential users is worth the effort of improving MailForge or building a new app. By the way, regarding FB, there are many ways of using it: you don't need to upload the photos of your family or tell everybody what's going on in your life, you can even use a pen name. what you can NOT do is prevent them from cross-referencing what you give them there, your email, internet machine address, any and all postings and datums gleanable therein, along with that of all the other people who LIKE or MESSAGE or otherwise interact with your page at all, into a remarkably specific and cogent reference on you, and then frighteningly specifically 'helping' you by using any and all information it can get to predictively link you with all manner of people that indeed you are acquainted with. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
If you are from MF, why not post a poll on their own forum? Not that I ever had any luck there - whoever approves memberships was asleep the week I signed up so I never got the help I was looking for and ended up tossing that idea in the trash. I am not from MF, I am just a poweruser. Actually MF guys seem to be... only one guy. There is already a forum, but since it is no longer linked in the support page we are trying to keep in touch each other and I thoug that FB could be an easy place to share our thoughts. Moreover I racall the we want Mac Pro or similar fan page that collected thousands of likes. So if We want Eudora only collects few dozens we all have to concur that the development of such kind of software is dead. The majority of Mac users, nowadays, use FB, want an easy integration with the social forums, want to easisly share photos, so probably there's no point making a true Eudora replacement for such small numbers (i.e. us). This is my feeling, all in all Lion and probably even worse Mountain Lion, are quite weird for us loyal Mac users. I have installed Lion on the MacPro and the MacBook because I really use intensively the calendar and I like the way it syncs flawlessly with the iPhone and the iPad. Before switching to iOS devices I have tried androids and even the Palm Pre3, which is indeed a beauty with true multitasking, but the mobile.me/iCloud thing is far superior: no need to switch back and forth with google. By the way I still have a bootable HD with Snow Leopard to make the transition smoother, but right now I am quite disoriented as the calendar on SL no longer syncs with iCloud so sooner or later I will have to switch completely to Lion/ML. Well, I will always keep using my vintage PowerPC and even the 68xxx things, mainly for writing without distractions, but the die is cast (alea iacta est) and the future for us loyal Mac user iscnot that bright. Ben -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Eudora replacement
We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement:Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora-- Sent from my HP Pre3 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora. I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle. Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Wethought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after5 years they are still in beta.Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need a true Eudora replacement.-- Sent from my HP Pre3On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote: On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora. I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle. Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote. Stephen On 7/22/12 5:13 AM, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are still in beta. Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need a true Eudora replacement. -- Sent from my HP Pre3 On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote: On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora. I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle. Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
It's not a vote, but through FB we can have an idea of how many macusers-- Sent from my HP Pre3On 22 Jul 2012 16.03, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote: Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote. Stephen On 7/22/12 5:13 AM, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We thought that MailForge could fill the gap, but after 5 years they are still in beta. Why FB? I think it is a good tool to get figure out how many really need a true Eudora replacement. -- Sent from my HP Pre3 On 22 Jul 2012 13.57, Stephen E. Bodnar sbod...@gci.net wrote: On 7/21/12 10:23 PM, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora -- Sent from my HP Pre3 What if you don't do Facebook? I'm in the market for a new email client, and would LOVE to see a reincarnation of Eudora. I used the Eudora - Thunderbird add-on for a while, but things got a bit squirrely when Thunderbird started the forced update cycle. Stephen -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
At 08:23 +0200 7/22/12, ben...@gmail.com wrote: We have set up a Facebook page to discuss and to see how many of us are still looking for a true Eudora replacement: Http://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudoraHttp://www.facebook.com/WeWantEudora Get thee over to: List-ID: Eudora for the Mac eudora-mac.cartel.listmoms.net SUBSCRIBING: mailto:join-eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net?Subject=Gazelle RETRIEVING THE CURRENT VERSION OF THIS (HELP) DOCUMENT: mailto:eudora-mac-welc...@hades.listmoms.net?Subject=Gazelle 2. POSTING TO THE LIST You must be a subscriber to post messages. To post a message to the list, send an e-mail message to the following address: mailto:eudora-...@hades.listmoms.net -- -- A fair tax is one that you pay but I don't -- -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Den Søndag, 22/7 2012, 04:03, Stephen E. Bodnar skrev: Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote. Stephen me too /tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Eudora replacement
Contrary to popular belief - not everyone has or even wants facebook. On Jul 22, 2012, at 8:07 PM, t...@nehaia.dk wrote: Den Søndag, 22/7 2012, 04:03, Stephen E. Bodnar skrev: Well, count me in but I'm not joining Facebook just to vote. Stephen me too /tina -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
